When do we accept what americans are telling us?

[Walrus_au]

Voting in a criminal as their chief once, can be considered an accident or figment of ignorance.

Redoing this after lists of convictions, public statements of bigotry, hate, childish tantrums and constant criminal behaviour cannot be an accident.

When does the world accept that americans have stated that the naked greed of the 1% is more important too them than the lives and rights of anyone else become accepted by the world and the country can be corralled back too the children's playpen away from the knives?

[OneViewpoint]

The rest of the world are idiots if they don't accept that the USA is no longer a reliable military ally, political ally, economic trading partner, or signatory to any agreement or treaty. There is no reason any nation, friend or foe, should trust the USA in the future.

We are the Schizophrenic States Of America. We change our policy like we change our underwear every Saturday. We break economic deals and renege on our treaties on a whim. We betray our military allies for our own convenience. We have burned our Constitution. The House and Senate have surrendered their power to an imbecile dictator. The courts have cowered and empowered the new fascist regime. We only have 1 branch of government with zero checks and balances now.

The only thing we consistently demonstrate any infatuation with is money and billionaires. Because a handful of billionaires are the ones who own our government and call the shots for the rabble who think their votes actually matter.

We are a fascist nation now "with liberty and justice for the rich". Get past the shock and accept the reality of it.

[OlderAndWiser]

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Agape93]

To be fair most of us are just plain fucking stupid, and half of that are malicious and stupid.

[Walrus_au]

the malicious and not so stupid are most concerning too me.

[Agape93]

Hey I'm not that bad if left alone

[DrPepper12]

You can do it NOW!!! I DO!! He's a dangerous Christo-fascist anachronistic vengeful misogynistic egotistical sadistic barbaric arrogant creepy presumptive sociopathic bigoted incompetent insular moronic lying rapist POS 💩 💩 💩

[bellicose]

You sound like a loser... Oh you're from Canada... Yep definitely losing.

[SmokinAces2000]

I just don’t understand how they suddenly care about law and order when they support deporting people and breaking up families but willingly went and voted for someone convicted of crimes.

[Walrus_au]

well, technically, since law has nothing to do with morality, abusing refugees COULD be legal. But why should that matter considering the choice of president?

[NoDecision]

@SmokinAces2000 Vs. Biden's family who all got pardons? Please!

[BarryLiverstone]

Most of the USA supports deporting illegal immigrants and criminals. Much like the rest of the world. Most counties hardly even allow those immigrants in

[NoDecision]

@BarryLiverstone True! If they enter a country illegally, they usually wind up in prison, not simply deported so that they can come back again and again..

[SmokinAces2000]

@NoDecision I’m not sure what Biden has to do with Trump getting convicted of crimes.

[SmokinAces2000]

@BarryLiverstone that doesn’t make something morally justified. If most of Germany supported the holocaust should we all agree that it wasn’t bad?

[BarryLiverstone]

Her point was when the citizens of the USA went to vote in November their choose was down to two mostly: Trump or Harris. Trump won more states because he connected with traditional values and had common sense on the issues. Her point was that Harris was basically Biden serving again as an administration so she’s answering your question.

[Walrus_au]

@NoDecision of course stopping too see if they are actually illegal might require considering someone who looks different too be human, and not inline with what the citizens of amerikastan have stated they want.

[Walrus_au]

@NoDecision is comparisons of pardons really the directioni you want too take this?

[SmokinAces2000]

@BarryLiverstone so you got all that from what she said?

[BarryLiverstone]

It sure does justify it morally. Germany was one country doing evil acts during the holocaust.. that’s immoral. However today most countries have tighter immigration laws than the USA and they also deport criminals. So morally speaking the USA is together with most of the world in protection of citizens.

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s not morally justified because every argument that someone argues for mass deportation is either false, exaggerated, or being stuck up on the legality. There’s nothing you could say to morally justify breaking up families and deporting people who have been here for years.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s not a mass deportation. I am not aware of exactly how many people have been deported in 2025 but not enough to justify immorality. If any families are broken up that happens every year when a member of the family breaks a law and is sentenced to prison. It would be immoral to allow dangerous criminals to be free and keep repeating crimes

[Walrus_au]

On that we agree. But barry has not brought up morality, only legalty.
and since that is a question the new regime seems happy too ignore in preference of skin colour, accent or ethnicity, there really is no call for even that argument.

[BarryLiverstone]

Actually deportations are down in 2025. Just googled it and here are the stats : www.nytimes.com/.../...cies-deportations-data.html

[SmokinAces2000]

“It would be immoral to allow dangerous criminals to be free and keep repeating crimes.” You’re comparing someone coming here illegally to someone committing a violent or dangerous crime. Two completely different situations that don’t warrant the same punishment.

[SmokinAces2000]

And I’m not just talking about the physical act of mass deportation but the supporting of mass deportation. How are you going to support mass deportation and then say “it’s okay because it’s not actually happening yet”

[BarryLiverstone]

Currently the law enforcement is focused on deportation of violent criminals. They are not in mass rounding up illegals. That’s why I found and shared that link for stats on current activity.

[BarryLiverstone]

I haven’t claimed to support mass deportation. It would be foolish to push out all non citizens from the USA. That’s not logical. What is logical is to deport criminals.

[BarryLiverstone]

7 out of 10 support deportations : apnorc.org/.../

[SmokinAces2000]

Then I’m not sure why you replied to my initial comment because I’ve been talking about mass deportation this whole time. I’m pretty sure everyone supports deporting actual violent criminals but that’s not where Trump and supporters plan on stopping

[BarryLiverstone]

Because you said that you didn’t understand so I was trying to share information and help you out. One of the benefits I get from reading content on gag is diverse perspectives and people outside of my echo chamber. Social media and my local community tends to pump and reinforce my core beliefs so I try to get outside of that to not end up jaded and becoming too extreme.

[SmokinAces2000]

Well it seems that we are on the same page when it comes to this topic

[BarryLiverstone]

Right, so you better understand why Trump got votes. Peace

[SmokinAces2000]

Naw.

[Walrus_au]

@BarryLiverstone never let reality interfere with your story buddy.
trump doesn't give a toss about the legality of peoples migration, or the guilt or innocence of them in the feild of crimes.

[TamYumGung]

@nodecisions
Hopefully Biden pardoned himself. 😄

[BarryLiverstone]

The continent of North America (nor South America) has a chief. We are independent nations with governments and borders.

[Walrus_au]

You seem to be struggling with the language. is that a double or triple negative? or just a sign of the stellar education system in the us?

[BarryLiverstone]

No challenges at all. You asked about Americans and that’s everyone who are citizens of 2 continents. Then you asked about a chief and I’m unaware of one person holding the title of chief for both continents. Happy to answer your question if you clarify

[BarryLiverstone]

The USA is where I earned a college degree. It’s a good country and more people want to live here than anywhere in the world. Based on immigration stats

[Walrus_au]

Clearly, your grasp of common use of the language is left wanting. As is your grasp of statistics. or maybe it is your grasp of geography. It is in the country of america where world cup sports contests are held, while carefully avoiding including any other country.
And of the monica of united ststes, that is showing itself to be more of a lie week by week.

[BarryLiverstone]

There is no country of America. There is a USA, which are the United States of America. We will be hosting the World Cup of soccer soon and it will be a huge worldwide event. Our new president is getting ready for it already.

[NoDecision]

@walrus_auFunny coming from someone who lives in cold climes. Does the au stand for Australia or gold? 🤔😅😂

[BarryLiverstone]

Grasp of statistics: www.statista.com/.../

[Walrus_au]

you are aware that usa stands for united states of america right? making the country america, with allegedly states that are united.

Ohhhh hosting one competition that includes other countries doesn't make the rest of the world forget and stop laughing at the obvious self agrandisement.

[Walrus_au]

I mean, it's not like I don't grock it. Spending your life being told that fantasy stories are truth can result in nothing else, But the expectation that the rest of the world should even entertain it is laughable

[BarryLiverstone]

Yes by the 1st grade we are taught about the USA. But we also learn about the executive branch and the president. There are chiefs that run businesses like CEOs.

Plenty of the professional sports in the USA include people from around the world.

[BarryLiverstone]

Which fantasy stories are truth?

[Walrus_au]

Since citizenship is somehting that can only be attributed too a country, attributing citizenship of all countries in two continents too the statement shows either remarkable lack of comprehension, or deliberate obtuseness.
So do I offer respect by assuming you are a good faith actor and just a dumbass, or that you are more intelligent and just dishonest? I have my hypothesis on the matter, but maybe your thoughtrs would be enlightening.

[BarryLiverstone]

I’ll answer in good faith that your original question offered an opportunity to gaslight and I stepped up to the plate

[BarryLiverstone]

So in good faith, which fantasy stories are truth?

[Walrus_au]

So is your claim about migrants per citizen? or migrants per square kilometre? or migrants per kilometre of border, or coastline?
And does it include refugees, or only migrants applying on other grounds?
What about migrants that are waiting on responses too applications?
What about migrants, or want to be migrants who are kept in prisons off shore? And what of those who claim citizenship of a country that is being held against the wishes of the native residents?
My dear fellow, if you do not understand how statistics can be rated lower than lies and damn lies. how can anyone take your quoting of a number of convenience as anything other than useless.

[Walrus_au]

@NoDecision Ohhh, do I get to choose everytime soneone looks? like a subatomic uncertainty effect? Cool!

[BarryLiverstone]

That’s 7 more questions. I’ll answer once you answered my question. That’s usually how conversations go

[Walrus_au]

to pick just one. That the incidence of violent crime among immigrants (documented or undocumented) are even a fraction of that of citizens, in america specifically and also generally.

[Dargil]

Have a nice rest of the day.

[dustybiker2]

You speak truth