Is this true? What do you non USA Americans say?

[DrPepper12]

Great quote along with this one:

You "Love it or leave it" morons NEVER made ANY sense to me! You just sound rigidly ignorant & mindlessly, reflexively "patriotic" (brainwashed with extreme nationalism & ignorant of history) when you say that! IMHO.

Yes. Both quotes are true

Bookers quote is ✅ TRUE, 🚫 Baldwins is FALSE

Bookers quote is 🚫 FALSE , ✅ Baldwins is TRUE

I lack discernment & nuance. I don't understand. (MAGA)

It's not that simple. There's caveats & limits...

Here's how I see it...

[MisterWack]

It is true, I love this country and want it to succeed so I will speak up.

How to achieve govt efficiency without cutting American public’s rights & benefits?

1. Stop borrowing money overseas from foreign nations

2. Payback the money we owe to said countries overseas

3. Tax the richest of the rich, leave small businesses alone & give tax cuts to average Americans

4. Stop with mega highways / mega stadiums and relocate funds towards local infrastructure

5. Find a way to make average Americans consume less product, save money efficiently, and fix a good path to save US Govt money wasted on energy consumption, grocery goods, etc.

6. Make the Minimum Wage cover the minimum cost of living

7. Fix the corrupt healthcare system

[DrPepper12]

You got my vote!!!

[MisterWack]

@DrPepper12 Thank you, I honestly don’t see these as perfect though I will say if it were me up there I’d hear top advisors, constitutional scholars on both Left and Right also Congressmen / Senators to find a way. It is a step in the right direction, too bad many don’t fight like that because I’d fight hard.

[Jersey2]

I voted yes. I can’t believe that Cory Booker is the author of that quote but if he is, impressive and insightful. Even if he just agrees with it, then perhaps there is hope.

[BCRanger10]

No, it is not.

I'll start with the Jimmy Baldwin quote. My first question for him would be what does he love about America? What are the good things about America? When I see that quote, I don't see love or patriotism. I see complaining. If my wife tells me she loves me, but then just complains me all the time and criticizes everything I do, how loved would Jimmy here think I feel? Quite frankly, having skimmed through ol' Jimmy's background and the time in which he lived, I have next to no reason to take him seriously with this. You won't hear me say that America is perfect, that we're completely innocent and sinless. But I will also not pretend that everything from the Fall of Man to the rise of Islam to the Black Plague is somehow America's fault, or that America's sins are unique in kind and number.

As for Cory Booker? His being a very disingenuous and unintelligent person aside, that quote is a false dichotomy that's full of garbage. Sorry, but just because I don't see racism, sexism, injustice, exploitation, and other such things - assuming this is what he means - doesn't mean I don't love my country. It just means that I'm not actively looking for those things everywhere. That's because I'm not convinced that they're there, let alone to the point that I want them to be there, like the Democrats do. Furthermore, you can yell and scream about those things all day long. Being a liberal, progressive, Democrat, wokester, leftist, whatever we're calling them these days doesn't automatically make them immune from the terrible things that they hilariously and unconvincingly pretend to oppose.

So in the end, no, it's not, as you said in your comment to me down below, "honest dialog."

[molonski2]

Absolutely hilarious frankly , if you really have that belief , for you ( Whoever the individual ) I feel very afraid..

You ( USA ) can now prepare for great loss , in so many areas..

We have / had your military bases , well forget those 5 .. Why would we possibly give a remote Fck , we can be insular , everyone can play that game and it will be to the detriment of living standards in the USA.

The country is no longer super , and its lost its way altogether , all due to the support of one very old egotistical moron..

Good Luck USA and Tesla , you are going into a decade long PLUS recession and that costs everyone , there is no coming back from this. You made a Sorry , disgraceful mistake.

Appreciate this is not the fault of the OP question asker.

[Jersey2]

As an American, my only problem with leaving Europe is that you will get into yet another war you cannot win and drag us back. We are sick of expending blood and money on your inability to defend yourself. Your ingratitude for our decades of protecting you adds more fuel to the fire. France hasn’t been super for 200 years and you all act as if it is. You’re not. California alone has a much bigger GDP than France, and better wines today.

[molonski2]

I'm NOT from Europe mate , and we stupidly followed you into all of your stupid wars.. including Vietnam , so now that you have this idiotic clown with the keys to the bomb.. you can stick your strategic vital bases where you see fit..
Enjoy your day and insular , short sighted life.
Have a nice time.

[DrPepper12]

I agree. This is s ü ici d é on the global stage

[DrPepper12]

@Jersey2 Relax!! It's the weekend!!

[Jersey2]

@DrPepper12 Lol. Just this once.

[SolitarySolace]

On the surface, the quote sounds poetic and patriotic—like it’s calling us to love America deeply, even through heartbreak. But once you realize it’s coming from Cory Booker, it loses that sincerity.

Booker has been part of the very establishment that contributes to the disillusionment so many Americans feel. It’s easy to talk about heartbreak when you’re not the one suffering from the broken promises of the system you help uphold.

If America has broken your heart, it’s not some romantic metaphor—it’s because of real injustice: corruption, false accusations, crime, censorship, families torn apart, and communities ignored. And when a politician uses that pain to make themselves sound wise or empathetic, it rings hollow.

True patriotism doesn’t just acknowledge heartbreak—it fights to fix what’s causing it. Words mean nothing without accountability.
- Eva ❤️

[msmissydc]

Not sure about America specifically. At the moment, being proud of it seems highly suspicious to me. That being said, I never understood patriotism to begin with. If you have nothing else to be proud of, at least you can be proud of the randomness of where you were born. Thats my definition of patriotism.
But not even being allowed to criticize a contry or goverment is 10times more dangerous. Thats "how to find out you live in a fascist regime" 101.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Samuel Johnson once observed,"Patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel," though in Trump's and the MAGANs' case, it's usually the first resort.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Despite the very blatant misogyny of Baldwin’s quote, I can understand the sentiment behind both ideas. America has broken my heart many times because I see how my nation is abused by people that don’t see it for what it is and what an amazing thing it can be, and for that same reason I reserve the right to criticize the cultures within it that cause more harm than good, as well as the administrations running it.

[NathanDavis]

I think Americans have started to finally experience the interventionism that the USA has done all over the world... now is coming for them

[Dargil]

Has Guam capsized yet?

You have to have reason to love your country.

[DrPepper12]

Yes. Self improvement. Reflection. Redemption. Are good starts.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Oh, well, America s on its way to joining the former Soviet Union in Ronnie Ray-Guns' ashheap of history !!!

[DrPepper12]

Yup..

[petitedollbabee]

I think both quotes are pretty weird and oddly sexualised, but then again, im not American so I don’t get it.

[Anonymous]

Why are people so pissed off that Trump is forcing America's trading partners to play fair for a change?

[DrPepper12]

If blanket reciprocal Tarriffs are so great why hasn't every nation pursued this policy forever?

[Opinion Owner]

I see tariffs are your complaint du jour. Tariffs shouldn't even be a thing. But they have been forced on the US by trading partners and Trump wants to put an end to it. Why do you disagree with that?

[Twalli]

If you're a true patriot you always want your country to be better. If you're Nationalist you want other countries to be worse thsn your's.

[jshm2]

Both are wrong, and neither understands love.

[DrPepper12]

Disagree

[seeyounexttuesday]

Cory Booker spent 25 hours arguing for political corruption and voter fraud.

[Anonymous]

It's not that simple, but they both have a point.

[chrissykerdock]

sounds anti American

[BCRanger10]

Because it is.

[DrPepper12]

How? It's honest dialogue!

[Gwendoline]

Seems like good advice tbh

[TwoToTooTutu2]

I like James Baldwin's quote