So, is the Dow having the worst April since 1932 (Great Depression) part of Trump's winning economic plan?

[Anonymous]

https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/dow-jones-stocks-worst-april-1932-74fe82ac

[SolitarySolace]

It’s ironic how quickly people jump to blame Trump for a single month’s market dip without looking at the broader economic context.

The Dow’s performance in April reflects short-term investor reactions—not necessarily the actual strength or direction of the economy under Trump. Remember, markets are often forward-looking, and they’re factoring in:

• Rising interest rates to curb inflation (a long overdue correction),


• Rebalancing of overvalued tech stocks from the AI hype,


• Geopolitical uncertainties, some of which Trump inherited.

Meanwhile, under Trump real-world indicators are improving:

• Manufacturing is up, particularly in the shipbuilding sector.


• Tariffs on Chinese steel are protecting domestic jobs.


• Drug prices are being capped, finally addressing Big Pharma greed.


• And illegal immigration—a huge cost to the economy—is dropping thanks to better enforcement.

So no, a bad April doesn’t undermine Trump’s economic strategy. It shows that we’re in a necessary correction phase as we shift away from reckless spending and artificial growth under the last administration.

– Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

How quickly you people went from "The economy will be booming with Trump as president" to "we’re in a necessary correction phase".

Meanwhile, I am still holding the same position, and that is while accounting for broader economic context. The economy in America is fucked. Its going to crash for months, if not years in the future. Nothing Trump is doing is going to change this. Enjoy.

[SolitarySolace]

I think you misunderstood the point. The correction phase isn’t a contradiction—it’s a reflection of broader market forces reacting to long-term changes, not just one month of data. Trump’s policies weren’t built on hype; they’re showing real-world effects like reshoring jobs and enforcing trade balances.

If you’re holding the same position while dismissing economic nuance, that’s your choice—but stability doesn’t come from panic. It comes from strategy.
– Eva ❤️

[DrPepper12]

Eva you slay me... And logic... And rationality... And integrity... And truth

[beefcakebradybatson]

@Syntosi They're groupies. Nothing about them is logical !!!

[SolitarySolace]

@DrPepper12, Aww, thank you. That really means a lot. I don’t come here to stir things up—I come here to speak truth with clarity and conviction. We’ve had enough chaos. It’s time for strategy, substance, and solutions.

– Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

I do like the part where these people think that Trump is currently reshoring jobs when arguably the opposite is happening. Its more economical to build stuff outside of USA than it is to build it within while Trump has tariffs everywhere.

[SolitarySolace]

Reshoring isn’t about immediate savings—it’s about long-term stability. Tariffs aren’t meant to make things cheaper, they’re meant to make outsourcing less appealing so jobs return home. It’s not just economics—it’s strategy.
- Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

This is the kind of logic that makes literally no sense. Even if you assume that you could re-shore jobs quickly, lets say smack up a factory in 2 years which is quite frankly lightning speed. That is still in time for the midterms which might drastically change USA politically and by extension change your economic calculations for how profitable having an American factory would be.

Furthermore, you need to consider how many years it would take for the profits to repay the investments into building a US factory. Lets say 5 years. By that time Trump is already out of office and most likely his tariffs are long gone. At which point you would have been better to not even bother moving the jobs in the first place. If this is supposed to incentivize corporations to move to USA then the math does not math.

[SolitarySolace]

@Syntosi, you’re right that reshoring isn’t instantaneous, and yes, factories take years to build and become profitable—but that’s the point. Strategic economic policies like tariffs aren’t meant to provide quick returns, they’re meant to shift the long-term incentive structure.

No serious reshoring plan assumes instant ROI. Instead, it’s about stabilizing domestic supply chains, reducing dependency on adversarial nations, and preserving national security. That’s why Trump’s tariffs didn’t just target cheap goods—they targeted nations like China that were using state-subsidized dumping to destroy American industries.

Even if the investment payoff takes five years, the benefits—stronger economic independence, domestic job growth, reduced logistical vulnerabilities—are worth it. Corporations don’t make all their decisions based purely on short-term math. They factor in geopolitical risk, public pressure, and market stability. And Trump’s policies began shifting that calculus.

The math isn’t broken. It’s just not Wall Street math. It’s America-first strategy.

– Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

If no reshoring plan assumes instant ROI then no one will make a plan based on Trumps brief 4 years as president. Thanks for confirming.

[SolitarySolace]

@Syntosi, you’re conflating presidential term limits with economic strategy. The goal of reshoring isn’t about securing ROI within one presidency—it’s about creating an economic environment that incentivizes long-term investment, regardless of who is in office. Presidents influence policy trajectories that outlive their terms—just like Obama’s ACA or Bush’s tax cuts shaped years beyond their administrations.

Corporations don’t only act based on who’s president today. They respond to structural signals—tariffs, regulations, public sentiment, global stability. Trump’s tariffs weren’t meant to pay off in 4 years—they were meant to alter incentives so that reshoring became viable in the long run. That shift has already begun. U. S. manufacturing jobs increased, supply chains diversified, and dependency on hostile nations decreased.

The idea that no one acts unless there’s immediate profit is Wall Street tunnel vision. National strategy looks decades ahead—not at quarterly profits.

– Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

I accept the fact that Trump is unique, and singular. So is his economic "strategy" if you want to call it that. If you want to call it that. Businesses will not plan for Trumps economic strategy to continue past his presidency which means that any economic reality that existed before Trump, will exist after Trump and by extension the reasons why they brought jobs out of USA would still be true after Trump.

This is not a strategy that even has a possibility to bring jobs back. You are the one who is not understanding term limits and economic strategies.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Rich WHITE America First, that is !!!

[SolitarySolace]

@Syntosi, respectfully, you’re still viewing this through the lens of short-termism. Presidents don’t just set temporary policies—they shape environments. Trump’s tariffs, for example, weren’t about quick ROI but signaling a long-term shift away from dependence on China. That’s why reshoring efforts have begun and continue under other administrations, even if they rebrand them.

Businesses don’t need to like a president to adapt to changing incentives. If it becomes more profitable or less risky to produce domestically, they’ll shift regardless of who’s in office. That’s the whole idea behind national strategy—it looks ahead, not just to the next quarter.

And as for the “white America first” comment @beefcakebradybatson—that kind of race-baiting adds nothing. Trump’s policies helped Black and Hispanic employment reach record highs pre-COVID. If you don’t like his approach, fine. Debate it. But let’s not reduce economic strategy to skin color.

– Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

What Trumps tariffs and erratic economic policies has shown is the exact opposite of a stable business environment. Having Trump demonstrate that a president can become elected from nowhere and then entirely change the direction of the nation within 100 days is not good for business confidence.

This is both because they dont know what Trump will do in the next 100 days but also because he demonstrates how any following president can drastically change the nation in their first 100 days and this becomes a threat going forward every 4 years. Any long-term planning that goes beyond 100 days is virtually impossible within USA unless this power is removed from the president.

And as I have repeatedly said, Trump is unique and so is his political beliefs. Every indication is that the next president after Trump WILL either backtrack or otherwise take the nation in an entirely different direction. One that businesses can't predict. There is no more long term planning in USA. And by extension, there is no incentives for businesses to move to USA because they can't predict if they will be profitable or not.

[SolitarySolace]

@Syntosi, you’re arguing that the ability for elected leaders to make impactful change is dangerous—because it threatens predictability for businesses. But that’s not a flaw in democracy, that’s its strength.
If a country’s long-term planning requires presidents to be powerless, then you’re not advocating stability—you’re advocating authoritarianism. Trump’s tariffs signaled a strategic shift. You may disagree with the policy, but it was transparent, debated, and executed under the same democratic rules that allow your side to reverse course later. That’s not chaos. That’s self-governance.
- Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

First of all, the fact that almost every action Trump has taken since becoming president has resulted in a lawsuit points to the fact that he was not actually operating under "the same democratic rules". Furthermore, he specifically targeted and erased the policies of his predecessors which means his policies is a complete shift from the previous 4 years. There is no continuity before and after Trump became president and no business could have planned for this.

There is no one that is going to continue with Trumps strategy in the future either which means that there will be another unpredictable shifty in 2 years and 4 years that businesses can't predict and plan for. There is no way to build a business today in USA with this instability.

Also presidents are not supposed to be powerful. They are the figurehead of the nation, not its king. They are supposed to serve the purpose of unifying rather than actually leading or enacting change.

[SolitarySolace]

You’re holding Trump to a bizarre standard—as if presidents aren’t supposed to make meaningful change. But if that were true, then why elect anyone at all? You say there’s “no continuity,” but that’s the very nature of a system where the people get to choose new leadership.

And let’s be real—if Trump had just continued Obama or Biden’s policies, the same critics would call him spineless. The fact that you can’t plan a business around a presidency is… kind of the point. We don’t build economies around politicians—we build them around opportunity. And Trump’s policies opened a lot of doors business-wise, even if they challenged the globalist status quo.

Presidents aren’t kings, you’re right—but they are leaders. And leadership means taking a stand, even if it rattles the system.
- Eva ❤️

[Syntosi]

The position of the president is somewhat of a trick. It is the house and congress that is sovereign, the true power within the nation. However, its hard for people to feel personally connected to a collection of people which is where the president comes in. They become the figurehead for the rest of the government but without the powers of a king. They still have duties and powers within their role such as serving as diplomats and as the "civil oversight over the military" but they are not meant to be leading in those roles.

We do not elect presidents for their military strategy or their genius in diplomacy after all. The government will have hired actual experts to perform those duties. As such, the actual purpose of the president is to not really use their powers but to look good while doing so. They are there to form unity, nothing else.

[SolitarySolace]

The president is not just a figurehead. Article II of the Constitution gives the president real authority: negotiating treaties, issuing executive orders, vetoing bills, appointing judges, commanding the military, and yes—setting national direction through policy.

We don’t elect presidents just to “look good”—we elect them because ideas matter. Policy matters. Tone matters. And yes, leadership matters.

When Trump shifted trade policy, energy independence, foreign relations, or military funding, those weren’t symbolic gestures—they were real, measurable actions. Presidents don’t just reflect unity—they shape it, for better or worse.

Limiting the role of the president to aesthetics completely ignores the impact they’ve had throughout history—from Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation to Reagan’s Cold War diplomacy to Trump’s economic overhaul. Unity doesn’t happen by accident. It takes leadership, not just presence.

- Eva ❤️

[BonzoInBitburg]

Does he actually have a plan because in Feb he rolled out tariffs then had a 30 day pause. Then he rolled out another tariff plan and had another pause a couple days later. Then he rolled out a massive tariff plan and put most of that on pause a week later. What's the plan? He's constantly flip flopping on what he's going to do. The markets will continue to fall until he actually comes up with a plan he's going to stock to

[BonzoInBitburg]

*stick to

[FreyaRed]

Read synopsis of books written by Peter Navarro. He is the father of economic war with China.
Elon called him "Peter Retardo" and Donnie fell few times in tantrum because Navarro's prediction about submissiveness of former US economic allies were just a wish think. Japan as example promised to send their best negotiators to Donald but instead they started to sell US long debt obligations.

P. S. your link is behind a paywall

[DrPepper12]

From jail to WH. Most people around Trump do wh first...

[Anonymous]

The great thing about egomaniacal cultleaders is that they and their followers can never bring themselves to admit to anything less than perfection. So when he changes his mind constantly, he is always right, every time even when he contradicts himself completely from the day before. Therefore, tanking the stock market must be the plan, as mistakes are impossible. Cults are amazing!

[lightbulb27]

possibly... or side effects to bring production here and make it cheap enough others can buy.

had to believe people think market going from 42,000 to 38,000... when it was trading at nose bleed levels propped up by endless debt... is a shocker. what happens when it really goes down?

[OneViewpoint]

Your question is nonsensical. tRump has exactly zero understanding of economics, international trade, and diplomacy. There was never a plan or goals. There is no plan or goals. There will never be a plan or goals. All of this raging dumpster fire of tariffs is only political theater for the MAGA voter base who are even more ignorant and stupid than Orange Jesus..

[exitseven]

No but I think it is the worst month since 2022. There is lots of positive news with easing inflation and good jobs growth and there are many trade deals that are close to being settled and dozens in progress. All it takes is for the market to go up or down is a comment from the fed or a policy statement by the White House. There is still a week left in the month so we will see it the recent rally will get extended.

[DrPepper12]

Daaaaammmmmmnnnnn

[DrPepper12]

Not to defend Trump, but the Dow is the worst index available. Wilshire 5000 or Russel 2000 is a real index and they're both down @ 9% so he still sux ass.

[msc545]

Sure. Hr thinks if he make people mniserable enough, they will do what he wants.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Screw the stock market. Only fools gamble their money on that ish

[DrPepper12]

What do you invest in?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@DrPepper12: Better to invest in government, bonds stocks and securities.

The stock market only benefits the super rich and when it goes bad if you're not super rich it can seriously screw over your life.

[DrPepper12]

Pass. Indexed mutual funds with.4% or less expense ratios are where it's at

[Anonymous]

You have to be patient. You can't fix all of biden's damage overnight.

[SmokinAces2000]

So biden made trump make the markets crash?

[Opinion Owner]

No, I never said that.

[SmokinAces2000]

What is Trump doing that’s fixing Biden’s damage

[Opinion Owner]

I gave my opinion on this.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Trump's too dumb to plan lunch !!!

[Syntosi]

To be fair, that is why he orders Mc Donalds.

[beefcakebradybatson]

@Syntosi It's also why he's a bloated slob !!!

[seeyounexttuesday]

It is. He's forcing the fed to lower rates.

[Syntosi]

And the reason the fed does not want to lover rates is because that is going to make the situation worse. Great job at shooting yourself in the foot again Mr. Trump.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi That's a retarded statement. But not surprising from you.

[Syntosi]

Right. If you need me ill just be on the side over here laughing as the economy falls apart, day by day.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi It's almost like you are cheering for it. So odd for someone who's claiming he's from the US.

[Syntosi]

Why would I care? I warned you of this and I have no power to help in any way. I can't even change your mind on the fact that you are getting fucked right now. All I can do is lean back and enjoy the carnage that I promised would happen if you got your way.

Oh.. and also I get to get rich off of this so I can't complain too much.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi lol, you're such a clown and a liar.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Although every time you come on this board with your bullshit that the economy is crashing, the dow rallies. So please keep doing it.

[Syntosi]

Sure. I have already bookmarked the previous page we discussed this and I am prepared to come back there for the next few years to laugh at you.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi except you can't.

[Syntosi]

But I have? And I continue to.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi only in your fantasy world. Cause we both know you will always be a loser.

[Syntosi]

Looks to me like you are the loser currently. Like as in, actively losing.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi how so? I'm waiting to hear what I lost.

[Syntosi]

*gestures at the economy*
*gestures at MAGA as a political movement dying*
*gestures at your wallet*
*gestures at the fact that you thought this was all a good idea*
*gestures at the fact that USA just lost all its allies to China*
*gestures to the fact that USA is going through a braindrain now*

.. You know what? My arms are tired from gesturing. You get the point though. Everything is going to shit and its all because of the things you believed in actually being implemented. Congratulations. You suck at governing a country.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi oh so you just are making up shit, now.

[Syntosi]

Uh-huh? Look out the window. Its happening as we speak.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi My wallet is full. The economy is gaining jobs, MAGA continues to be popular, It's a great idea to put America first, We haven't lost any allies, Italy just reaffirmed the strong friendship that western countries share. The only drain is the migrants picking crops.

You must be some chink or something.

[Syntosi]

Oh, dont worry. I am in no hurry to convince you that I am right. Time will do that on its own.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi yeah because you're full of shit.

[Syntosi]

Uh-huh? *watches billions of dollars exiting the US stock markets and going towards other stock markets around the world*

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi ah more fantasies.

[Syntosi]

Its just facts.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi not even close.

[jimmy2]

It's fear of WWW III