For example, society tells men they shouldn't cry, and that they need to be big and strong. Do you think society needs to stop telling us this, and what other things?
u I'm going to take the counterpoint on this one.
I think society needs to stop pushing for men to be more emotional. Furthermore, society needs to stop assuming that if a man does not express his emotions (particularly sadness) that he's just being stoic, that he's hiding something, that he's bottling up his emotions, that he's not "in touch with his emotions" (what on earth does that even mean anyway?), or whatever other clichés people throw around. If you ask me, a man who maintains that kind of composure in the midst of suffering, loss, or difficulty ought to be commended. That shows maturity, resilience, balance, focus, peace, character, and discipline, among others. These things are essential in times of aforementioned suffering, loss, and difficulty.
And I want to make something else clear. I don't necessarily fault men who do in fact express themselves. Every man has a different temperament, personality, and personal constitution. Every man has his breaking point. Every man is also human and can therefore be deeply moved by crushing defeat, grotesque horror, and loss, and likewise by tremendous victory, beauty, love for God and country, his wife and children, and other such things. All I am saying is that if a man must weep or otherwise express himself, he much exercise discernment and prudence.
As for women? I think society just needs to stop telling them that being a wife and mom is a death sentence.
When I read the question I was not sure where it was coming from. But when I read the comment it became clear.
Based on that I have a problem with the premise of the question. I think things are often attributed to pressures from "society" when they are not actually the result of society at all, but the results of nature and millions of years of evolution.
Nature carefully programmed each of the two human genders -- male and female -- to have distinctly different traits. And it did so with a reason that usually goes to the very survival of the species.
These traits are no accident or result of the societal trend du jour. They are there because they have been tested, honed and perfected over millions of years. They are there for a reason and a very good one. We try to force them to change at our own risk since it threatens survival of the human race. There is a reason these traits are so ubiquitous throughout different societies, and throughout history and so long lived and considered "traditional." It's not a bad thing, it's a critical and necessary thing that should be celebrated rather than attacked.
Vive la différence!
I wish men weren't shamed for being bold and losing there hair. I make fun myself out my bold male friends but my husband is bold and its very natural for men to lose there hair its a sign of high testosterone. Male beauty standards are just has fucked up as females if not worst.
I think being bold is sexy and it shows a lot of confidence when I guy can pull it off. I see so much now on socials of men getting hair transplants when they should just embrace it.
I also don't like how men are told they need to wax there chest I think its so creepy. I want a man not a little boy. Body hair is natural and super hot and snuggly on men.
I see guys who are total sweet hearts but because they aren't over 6ft, slim with a full head of hair most girls don't want to know and think its okay to be rude when rejecting them. Men have feelings to and get just as self conscious as women do
If hair is natural, shouldn't women have it too?
Yea. It's up to them but I don't think people should be pressured or shamed
Bold or bald you mean? And you wrote awesome things. Continue to spread this message to other women out there please? It’s hard to attract women these days
@blackeagle007 bald 👨🦲 that's what I mean sorry I'm dyslexic 🤣
u I think for men the no crying/showing emotions other than anger is a toxic idea. Men are human beings as well and should be able to show a range of emotions. Also, they shouldn't just be seen as "baby sitters" or a threat when they are out and about with their children.
On the flipside, women shouldn't be seen as the primary caretakers for the children and the home. It should be an equal split between the partners. We also would like for men to stop assuming that we are asking for attention if we are dressed a certain way whether it be positive or negative attention. We dress for ourselves in most cases.
if that were the case, youd always be dressed up, even at home
What kind of stupid logic is that? Dressed a certain way doesn't have to mean dressed up in a black little dress and heels.
It certainly can be though, and if it was, you'd ALWAYS be dressed like that, even at home
Ugh, whatever floats your fantasies there, bud.
Yeah
I'm more inclined to "dress up" at home - where no one but my partner can see me and even when he's not home, than I am going out because of men like you.
@Asker Look at them disregard the valid point you made and make shit up. We've all seen them, even them, women that only dress up when they're going out with the girls. They do it with the very purpose of obtaining male sexual attention and usually not from their partners, but they won't admit it here.
Okay, sure... let's say they're special and never done that ever. Never seen other women doing it at all though? Uh huh... I smell bullshit.
@D_Bone_Steak
Where did I state that I have never done it?
Assuming all women do something because you've seen others do it (or they might have done so before) and act up on that assumption is some utter bullsit. 😘
@NordicInScandinavia So there, you've done it? Why is it utter bullshit when I'm correct?
You played it off like you never done it. You see why I smell the bullshit right?
by the way, where did I say all women do it because I've seen others do it? 😘 I even stated that you may be special and may not have done it. ... yeah... but you do it, so that's a moot point.
@D_Bone_Steak
Assuming other women do so, because I might have done so at a younger age is utter bullshit - you can't see why other women do shit based on what I or other women might admit to doing. That is YOU assuming they're doing something based on the actions of others.
I can't dress up for a girls night out, because men, like yourself - will just think it is because I want sexual attention. Which I usually do want after a night out, just at home - but men don't care about that. What I did when a teenager shouldn't matter here. And I didn't play it off as I had never done it but as I don't do it, as you're claiming I do still.
@D_Bone_Steak
Proved my point by your last statement there. You stating that women must do something because of what other women might or might done be doing or have done. 😘 "But you do it" - nah Hun, I don't. That's the point.
I once had this notion about men (just in another aspect) I'm so happy I matured out of it.
Going to start my day, have a good one. 😘
@NordicInScandinavia "Assuming other women do so, because I might have done so at a younger age is utter bullshit" -and I never made this assumption. You said that on your own. I don't make assumptions. Then you go on to make assumptions about men like me... you don't even know me.
I proved no point by my last statement over there because I never said all women... I simply didn't say to all women. But you've done it, which does mean a lot of women do it... at some point in time. Am I not correct?
If you want to argue semantics, that's kind of boring to me. The point @Asker made and the one I made remain the same. You're not changing that in my lifetime hunny buns. 😉
Just admit a lot of women do that stupid shit. I mean you already have basically... or... you can set up camp with the "You guys are just making this shit up" crowd. Is that your aim, or will you at least admit that so many women do it, at least at one point in time, that it's noticeable?
I imagine this would be like me trying to argue that men don't jerk off. After admitting that they do when they're young, and that I've done it before. You're trying to win a losing argument here. Let's just be real with each other... there are things women do.
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Oh the list is endless.
But for women: that their physical appearance is the only thing that matters, that big boobs are the sexiest, that stretch marks are ugly, that their only purpose is to please and serve men, that they must always be the ones to take care of the kids, etc.
And for men: that they have to be strong and stoic 100% of the time no matter what with no deviation, that shy or quiet guys are worthless, that small dicks are a terrible thing to have, that they must support their entire family alone, that being short is a death sentence, etc.
And those are just a few...
But "Society" does not exist.
What exists is:
Everything above has something to say, many many many different things to say or impose, depending on your location and who or what you're listening to. So, "society" can't tell me the same things it tells you. Unless we were both living in an all cut off religious community where there would be a single message spread, out of any diversity.
That being said, about crying, there's a cure. Invented 46 years ago already, I assure you it's still contagious, hopefully worldwide:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/9GkVhgIeGJQSociety, is how we exist, as humans, regardless of where we are
Yes it is, but "society" as a term says nothing at all about what it is, what it more precisely is, hence the need to look closer
Society needs to stop saying the diversity is a strength, it isn't. Society needs to stop promoting socialism, it doesn't work. There is no such thing as government money, the government has no money that's tax money. Stop saying homosexuality is normal, it's not. Stop saying that "transgender" is a thing, it's not it's mental disease. Stop denying that race is real and each race has it's own characteristics. People need to stop saying a shit load of incorrect and stupid things.
I agree. All statistics show that everything you said is 100% correct.
@D_Bone_Steak Based, I concur.
To be like the gender we're not. I find it fucking annoying when men act like women. I find it fucking annoying when women act like men. ... and why is it always the most annoying aspects of the other gender that get emulated the most?
I can give examples, but I think you people will get the idea.
Now I'm going to enjoy the answers other people gave because I think this is a great question. I wonder how many people feel exactly like me or have their own twists on it. I'm gonna FAFO!
LOL, society doesn't say shit. Your friends and the shit you read gives you the impression that it does.
You trying to tell me men are being beat up in the streets or jailed for crying? People can only talk, but it's just words, that you need not take seriously.
Yet, people get shit all the time for it, grow up
Stop telling women that they're expected to make themselves as small and unassuming as possible. It makes them people pleasers and uncomfortable expressing boundaries.
Stop telling men they have some stupid social obligation to throw themselves on the sword and just take other people's, (women's especially) shitty behavior. The White Knighting disgusted. Have a little self esteem.
So how come when we stand up to trump, it's "being a victim"
If I had to put it down to brass tacks, I’d say it’s because in those cases you are certainly not the underdogs, nor do you seem to be fighting for a cause people find ethical.
Good and noble people can get wrapped up the wrong side of situations quite easily.
Why are you anon? Bot? Or scared of your own shadow?
This is a question from 15 years ago. Men have now been pussified by feminists. Men are men, we are masculine. Women are women and they are feminine. We are different and thats that. And we should be different. We should and do have different roles. Becoming the same thing is stupid.
I'm not sure where you're going with this, it's conflicting, especially the first sentence about me being anon
I wish women would stop asking men to be open with their emotions and be vulnerable. The fact is that women want us to be open so they can use what we've told them as weapons for arguments later on in relationships or whatnot.
If they won't stop, they can at least be honest about it.
I think that women should stop telling men that they shouldn't be masculine. That's a new thing apparently but damn, we need masculine men!!
i wish society, and feminists in particular, would stop judging all men by the actions of the bad apples.
I wish society would stop telling women and girls that they are helpless victims or an imaginary "patriarchy".
https://www.tiktok.com/@therealdustinanderson/video/7483482556294352158
They should stop telling men there is something wrong to feel emotions.
They should stop telling woman they are a "label" for standing up for others or themselves.
Stop telling girls they're all "beautiful," and stop teaching boys to believe that shit too.
Stop teaching guys to be hard and not smile.
"Gender" is a brain construct. There are two sexes - XX= female, XY = male. What happens, happens.
Says who
Need to stop telling little children there are 'more than 2 genders' and stop telling little boys to castrate themselves and become girls.
People can do whatever they want, as long as it's not hurting you
Lol where is the office of society that makes these decisions?
Apparently, church
Ok nerd
Trolling are we? It leans towards you as a nerd. 😆😆. What kind of user is “seeyounexttuesday”? It dosent say much my friend
@blackeagle007 why are you gay?
Why are you a lunatic.
I don't think there's anything wrong what society tells people. I just wish so many would stop listening! It's usually the biggest idiots that talk the most and the loudest.
How can we stop listening, when people are loud
You tune them out. The problem is too many people listen to people they shouldn't. And that comes from not knowing who has your best interest at heart. It took me half my life to learn this. For example, most of the women on this site are TERRIBLE people guys come on here seeking advice from them. That like a pig seeking out a butcher for help. By these guys listening to the majority of women on here they doing the opposite of what they hope to achieve. We as human beings do this and then wonder why we get a negative view of ourselves. We as human will give a lot of weight to a perfect stranger and not enough to a trusted loved one.
So the answer is understanding who has your best interest at heart and then tuning the rest out. I'm not talking about "yes men" either. I'm talking loved ones that'll check you. Put a mirror up to your good and bad points. Because THESE are the ONLY people who know you well enough to give you an HONEST assessment.
I think society should stop telling men to be more feminine.
Why?
I don't pay attention to "society" other than obeying the laws.
So, if someone says "you shouldn't kill" but, then someone kills your daughter, you wouldn't then go out shooting them, too?
I’m women, hear me roar!! I’m going to masculine, I don’t need men, im so empowered!!
Seriously?
All society is telling us to do are thing that should already come naturally.
So, we shouldn't kill, that's a natural instinct?
Didn't we evolve, but literally hunting?
I don't like it when society tells women to conform..
And I wish chivalry was back
How about society needs to hold women accountable more. It seems you all get away with so much
@blackeagle007 you reap what you sow
Just be what you wanna be. Let's break off from social media. Throw it away jose
Providers.
I resent people leaching off of me and my taxes.
I wish society would stop imposing patriarchal stereotypes, they are all based on religion.
They should stop telling Women to be strong and independent because all they is doing is making it harder for Men and Women to connect.
married by a certain age.
"be a MAN and suck it up!"
Not anonymous.
both genders should be equal
In the case of women
Everything!!!
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