Given the Trump seizure of DC, should Dems push for DC statehood even harder? Is there a chance of it occurring at all? Isn't it simple fairness?

[DrPepper12]

https://statehood.dc.gov/page/why-statehood-dc

Taxation without representation:

D. C. residents pay some of the highest federal taxes per capita in the U. S. However, they have no voting representation in Congress, meaning they have no say in how those tax dollars are spent. This directly contradicts the principle of "no taxation without representation".

Lack of voting representation:

D. C. has a larger population than Wyoming and Vermont, yet those states have full representation in Congress while D. C. does not. The city's delegate to Congress can participate in debates but cannot vote on bills.

Unequal treatment:

D. C. residents fulfill all obligations of U. S. citizenship, including military service, yet are denied the fundamental right to participate in their own governance through voting in Congress.

Racial justice:

D. C. is majority-Black and has historically faced systemic inequalities. Statehood is seen by many as a matter of racial justice and equality.

Home rule limitations:

While the Home Rule Act granted D. C. some autonomy, Congress still retains the power to override local laws. Statehood would provide D. C. with full self-governance.

Historical precedent:

D. C. residents have been seeking statehood since 1801.

In summary, granting D. C. statehood would address the fundamental injustice of taxation without representation, ensure equal rights for its residents, and allow the city to have a voice in the decisions that affect it.

Yes. Dems should push HARD for statehood

No. DC statehood is a losing issue without a prayer.

Again, you Yanks are just fucked in the head. Bueño suerte pendejos!

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No need to outlaw it. Demographics will accomplish conservative demise. At least you acknowledge conservatives are a minority

[Effably]

I was always under the impression you guys kept all those guns so that a dictator, fascist or oppressive ruler could not bully you again. Like colonial era England when they wanted taxes from their colony.

I am not saying to use them but like... this is technically the second misuse of armed forces to oppress the American citizens. At this point it looks like normalizing government oppression.

Again, not really advocating violence but, it is clearly heading that way. I do wonder how much of the outside world is being censored for you guys. It is very obvious to pretty much every other country on earth what is going on.

[Avicenna]

Didn’t Joe Biden suggest F35s could be used on US citizens?

[Effably]

I am not clued in on that. Did he? Sounds out of character. Any source?

[OneViewpoint]

Considering that...

• Statehood requires a vote in both the House and Senate with a simple majority required to pass and must be signed into law by the executive (president),
• Republicans currently control the House, Senate, and Executive branch.
• The Republican Party is currently a Fascist cult.

Democrats would have a snowball's chance in hell of making DC a state. It would be a typical Democrat waste of time and resources in pursuit some abstract point that would ultimately result in absolutely nothing.

Why not work on focusing public attention on the people who are in control of both parties butt fucking US citizens into poverty on a daily basis? Crush Republicans in the next 2 elections. Then turn on the Oligarchs with a vengeance. And I mean literal vengeance. Old Testament shit. Smiting and lightning. See the French and Russian revolutions for a reference point.

[Anonymous]

I'd be happy if the Dems would do anything. So damn lazy. So damn weak. Grow some balls and use them.

[Avicenna]

Ah, yes, Democrats always trying to do crazy shit.

First of all-, Trump hasn‘t „seized“ DC. Everything is completely normal here. He’s just had to help the DC police, whose union supports his actions.

Instead of giving a city that isn’t even one of the largest statehood (which is patently ridiculous), give the non-federal parts back to Maryland.

No one is forced to live in DC, which has home rule.

[DrPepper12]

Union support? Link please

[Avicenna]

www.msn.com/.../ar-AA1Kp5Xo

[DrPepper12]

TY! I forgot about the cops overtime & work rules. Makes sense now.

[contentious]

It's not legally possible for Washington D. C. to be a state. You'd know that if you actually read the Residence Act of 1790, rather than just mindlessly parroting fake news talking points like a fucking brainless zombie.

[contentious]

It's also hilarious how retarded you are making statements about "Trump seizure of DC" when land that is set aside for the District falls under presidential authority to determine the proper use for the United States. You Democrats never fail to exhibit your absolute lack of education.

[abc3643]

First, I am not sure how I feel about DC ever becoming a state, but, for the foreseeable future, it's not realistically possible.

However, I think you check your understanding of "not legally possible"...

This is the Residence Act of 1790:
govtrackus.s3.amazonaws.com/.../...UTE-1-Pg130.pdf

While I do not debate the Residence Act of 1790, statutes like that are not immutable. The Constitution is amendable and that is ultimate authority of what is "legally possible" or not.

Furthermore, in the Residence Act, there is nothing precluding that the land for the seat of the Federal Goverment not become a state in its own right. Even the Constitution does not preclude that. (Article I, Section 8, Clause 17: The "Seat of Government Clause")
www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8

The Congress shall have power...

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings

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[abc3643]

Likely, the Residence Act of 1790 is the legislation Congress enacted per the Seat of Government Clause.

I doubt DC could easily become a state although I think Congress COULD simply say "OK, you're a state now" since the Seat Of Government Clause gives them all power over the District, but a Constitutional amendment might also be required.

Article IV Section 3 doesn't preclude DC becoming a state.
www.law.cornell.edu/.../articleiv#section3

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

[contentious]

@abc3643 another brain dead retard.

[contentious]

It’s not hard to understand numbnuts if you have an IQ of 60 or above. Washington D. C. is the temporary and permanent seat of the Government of the United States due to the The Residence Act of 1790. It’s the first fucking line dipshit. As such under Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 Congress has “exclusive” legislative authority (law making) over the District. Constitutionally the governance over the district is nondelegagble because it is “exclusive”. Thus it would be unconstitutional for Congress pass an enabling act to authorize the people of the District to frame a proposed state constitution (supreme law) which is necessary for admission into the Union. Washington D. C. can not legally become a state. You see how simple that is. Did I need to post a bunch of bullshit like you? Nope, and I spent two thirds of my response insulting you since retarded and need to learn that. Gay ass Star Trek nerd.

[Dongie]

@contentious
lmfao...

[abc3643]

It seems certain contentious people are idiot snowflakes.

[blackeagle007]

Typical Trump. He wants to take over everything. The next Joseph Stalin

[Dongie]

They can move to one of FIFTY states! Fuck... nevermind.

[DrPepper12]

What's wrong with more? DC? PR? Long Island? Cascadia? Deseret? Sonora? Adirondack?

[Dongie]

Shit, why not just outlaw conservative thinking and voting?

[Avicenna]

The Democrats were working on that when the dementia patient‘s autopen made all the decisions

[Dongie]

Yeah, they came up with it and Porto Rico during Trump's first turn. They're like the spoiled kid getting everything they want and standing selfishly gloating at the poor kids. I have a nephew like that. Wants everything their way. No give and take.

[Dongie]

Not outlawing conservative thought?
@Avicenna

[Avicenna]

Yeah, that’s what I was referring to. The Democrats wish our attention spans were so short, we’d forget.

[Anonymous]

DC should just be absorbed by Virginia with the newly incorporated city of Washington to serve as state capital

[seeyounexttuesday]

We live in such weird times when people are angry that there can’t be murders anymore.

[Syntosi]

The crime rate is literally historically low. Use a better excuse next time.

[exitseven]

@Syntosi The murder rate in DC is worse than Bogota

[Syntosi]

@exitseven The projected murder rate in DC this year is about ~17.7 per capita at current rate. Not only is this near historical low and it has fallen significantly several years in a row.

Lets just have some fun comparing that to cities in Texas shall we?
1. Uvalde - 142.8 murders per capita
2. Aransas Pass - 37.2 murders per capita
3. Forest Hill - 36.5 murders per capita
4. Cleveland - 36.2 murders per capita
5. Kennedale - 35.6 murders per capita
6. Alice - 28.2 murders per capita
7. Monahans - 27.8 murders per capita
8. Marble Falls - 27.0 murders per capita
9. Elgin - 26.7 murders per capita
10. La Marque - 26.2 murders per capita

etc.. etc.. You would struggle to find a city with less murders in it inside Texas than DC has. But do go on, how dangerous is DC again?

[exitseven]

@Syntosi These are all border towns that are loaded with illegal aliens. No wonder the murder rate is high. Having a bunch of murders in a border town is bad. Having murders in the nation's capitol is unacceptable,.

[Syntosi]

@exitseven Fine then. Pick a city. Any city.

[exitseven]

@Syntosi The murder rate in San Antonio in 2024 was 8.47 per 100,000 people.

[exitseven]

@Syntosi The murder rate in San Antonio in 2024 was 8.47 per 100,000 people.
San Antonio was the first city I looked up because that is where I had basic training. I bet that Dallas and Austin have even lower rates.

[Syntosi]

@exitseven Nice. DC is about twice as dangerous of San Antonio. Woop-de-do. Basically a warzone.

[Syntosi]

@exitseven

Antonio is about 11 which is nice as well and Dallas is about 16 which is basically equal to DC.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi dc murder rate is 27 per 100k people. Mexico City is 10.

Tell me again why decent people should have to live with criminals and murderers.

[Syntosi]

DC murder rate has fallen sharply and is projected to be around 17 per capita this year at current rate.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi you keep using that word “per capita” but I don’t think you know what that means.

[Syntosi]

Yes I do. I guess you are confused why "per capita" means 100,000 people rather than 1 person. The answer is quite simple, its because multiplying the number of people by 100,000 makes the number easier to read and compare. This is basic stuff in statistics.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi absolutely no one uses per capita to mean 100k people. Other than dipshits like yourself.

[Syntosi]

Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Like I care what your opinion on the subject is.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi you're the retard who doesn't understand what a phrase means. Good attempt at deflecting.

[Syntosi]

Oh? You want to talk about deflecting when you ran from the argument to argue semantics? Pathetic.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi there’s nothing to hide from. The murder rate in DC is higher than bogota Colombia. It’s time that normal people get to enjoy their cities

[Syntosi]

Bogota Colombia, if the numbers are to be believed, has a lower murder rate than pretty much every city in the world. Having a higher murder rate than one of the most peaceful is not surprising.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi bahahaha You're fuckin delusional. First you claim that the numbers are suspect then claim it's the most peaceful (I assume you meant city).

per capita.. bahahahahahhahahaha

[Syntosi]

Trump suggests that Bogota in Colombia has around 15 homicides per capita. That would put it more peacefully than San Antonio in 2024 with its 15.7

Which I remind you, is the city that you yourself put forth as an example of a peaceful city.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi Where did I do that? Your ability to lie is only topped by your stupidity.

per capita.

[seeyounexttuesday]

And you're lying about the murder rates you posted.

[Syntosi]

Oh? Did the numbers hurt your feelings?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi why would you being a moron hurt me? It only hurts you.

[Syntosi]

You can't even keep track of what you yourself have said in the same conversation old man. You are finished.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi ok per capita

[Syntosi]

Here, show me on the doll where the numbers touches you inappropriately.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi you got it per capita

[Syntosi]

And you are still struggling with the fact that I am right and you are clueless.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi 18 murders per capita, eh?

[Syntosi]

Thats what Trump said yes

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi okeedoke per capita.

[Syntosi]

Once again you have nothing

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi I’ve got the truth and command of the English language. Which you’re lacking.

[Syntosi]

Is that so? Then why dont you use your command of the English language to construct better arguments?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi smarter people would just take the L. But here you are.

[Syntosi]

Ditto

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi Nothing I said was incorrect, per capita.

[Syntosi]

Too bad. I refuted everything you said and even used your own evidence against yourself.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi except you didn't. You posted bullshit, misunderstand what per capita means. And have given me no compelling reason why the taxpayers of DC should have to live in danger.

[Syntosi]

I posted official figures and you are here being upset at semantics which there is precedent for as well as got this insane belief that DC is in mortal danger and needs rescuing. You are insane quite frankly.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi no, you didn't. You posted bullshit. And are ignorant. I'm asking you - which you can't seemingly answer because you don't even understand the term per capita - how much lawlessness should the taxpayers of Washington DC be forced to endure?

[Syntosi]

You just call it bullshit because the numbers hurt your feelings and you can't dispute them. Also, considering DC crime is at HISTORIC LOW, I think they might manage.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi you stating that Uvalde TX has a higher murder rate than DC is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve refutation. Stupid fuck.

And yeah "HISTORIC LOW" doesn't mean low. If your mom weighs 500lbs and drops 10lbs it may be a HISTORIC LOW for her fatass but she's still a tub of shit.

[Syntosi]

Yeah, why on earth would Uvalde which has a higher crime stat than 82% of American cities have a higher murder rate than DC that is currently at a historic low?

Man, you sure are braindead.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi because it doesn't. You were lying. You know who also is happy that the national guard is in DC? DC residents.

[Syntosi]

Oh really? The people of DC, who HATES Trump and HATES his abuse of power, is "Happy" with Trump putting troops on their streets who can't legally do law enforcement and is just there to be shot at to justify Trump breaking even more laws and abusing even more power.

Yeah, I am sure the people of DC is fucking jumping off the walls in pure joy.

And no. I am not lying.
www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Uvalde-Texas.html

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi so yeah 2023 0 murders per 100,000 (that’s not per capita by the way).

Well the criminals are upset sure. But normal people are tired of you liberals ruining cities.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Oh and happy

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