If someone says it doesn't matter what means you use, how far do you go?

[purplepoppy]

"It doesn't matter if you call out the military, it doesn't matter what means you use." Trumps advice to Starmer on immigration today at a press conference.

These are probably Trumps darkest words to date, but we often hear similar phrases, such as "Do whatever it takes," or "I'll do anything."

We all saw Trump use the military to blow up those innocent people on that boat. But when you're told, "use any means," how far do you go?

[Jersey2]

We have lost 100,000 people a year to drugs for many years. We wouldn’t not allow another country to shoot these people so why would we let them poison them with fentanyl?

11 drug smugglers in a high speed boat with 4 very expensive engines on it is a fair target. The next boat had 3 people showing their concern of losing too many in such an attack and slowing the boat down would have added to the risk with more people/weight. they will start to feel hemmed in and soon their leaders will see that they themselves are not safe. This is actually a warning to them including El Presidente. They can play from the Noriega/Saddam/Osama playbook and end up the same way or they can shut it down. It doesn’t matter to me. We won’t allow this anymore. Bomb them, cause an overthrow of the government to a friendly one, hunt these people for years and anyone who helps them. We need a deck of cards with their names and pictures on it. No more of this. We will see if they take the warning that has been written in blood.

[Jersey2]

Would not*

[Jersey2]

Oh, and Starmer can call out the military to send these people back or make arrangements for them in Africa to be housed in a refuge center. Turn off the benefits as well. Call in Nato allies to help if needed. Once the benefits are gone and possible removal to a country like Liberia or Libya to live in a refugee camp , they will self deport and stop coming. Starmer won’t do it and he is toast anyway. I don’t j is much about your politics but a Reform and Conservative alliance could win and start this process but they would have to win big. My bet is that this won’t happen and the UK will cease to be a unified white Christian country with laws founded in a democratic way. It will become pockets of vastly different people, with sharia law and a mix of other laws in other regions. London for instance will ignore the county’s law and will institute their own ignoring much of the country but aligning with other cities such as Birmingham. In 50-100 years this could lead to a breakup of the UK or a civil war. Either way, they won’t share the values and traditions of the US so those bonds will be broken. And this isn’t because they will be diverse like much of the Us, it is because they will be Islamic with a fundamentalist lean.

[blackeagle007]

Don’t start, trumper.

[Jersey2]

@blackeagle007 But I did. You have something to add?

[AyChingao]

Lots of people have a sort of moral compass. Trump does not. There is normally a set of social norms in place that, especially an elected leader, would not cross. Could have apprehended them. Were they in international waters? Is it actually legal for the US to take ANY action in this case. When Trump says ANYthing he means exactly that. whatever it takes to get what he wants, just like yesterday's (essentially) firing of Jimmy Kimmel for telling a joke Trump didn't like. Freedom of speech in the US officially died yesterday. If you don't want an authoritan regime in power over there I would advise getting on the stick. Yesterday.

[Chazmatazz269]

You’re so wrong. Kimmel wasn’t fired at all. His show was suspended indefinitely, not canceled. And it wasn’t over a joke. He deliberately delivered misinformation to his audience. The evidence that Robinson was radical left was verified and reported by multiple sources, including NBC news. Kimmel then went on air and declared in no uncertain terms that Robinson was “MAGA”.
He’ll sit down and shut for a little while to let the heat die down. He’ll make an apology or otherwise redress his “mistake” and he’ll get his show back.
Stop saying dumb sh*t if you want to be taken seriously. If you want everyone to realize you’re just another ignorant leftist who has no use for facts, as you were.

[AyChingao]

@Chazmatazz269 his suspension is a defacto firig and if you think it wasn't political you need to check yourself. Trump applauded the firing and has stated publicly that he is investigating political commentators. This is MY opinion and you maybe should not fore off such an inflammatory response, NOW sit the fick down and shut the fuck up shitwit.

[AyChingao]

by the by your bias is showing. "Just another dumbshit leftist" exposes you as a fascist Trumpist asshole who REALLY can't be taken seriously. You want misinformation go listen to Stephen Miller and Karoline Leavitt who are supposed to be actual government officials. You want accountability? Go after them for their constant lying and inflaming race hate, and RFK jr? You onboard with all this stupidity clown?

[FreyaRed]

Trump doesn't understand political goals. You can win a conflict militarily but you lose it politically like Israel did in Gaza. Those boats outside national waters of Venezuela were smugglers, since fisher don't mount 4x 150hp outboard engines on their boats. However shooting at those boats from a drone without any attempt to stop and detain those people and bragging with it in media is political suicide that make your country to a villain government. Something you ideologically fight against.

[MrOracle]

Venezuela was given multiple warnings that if they continued to allow these smugglers to operate, that the US would take serious, direct action. The attack on the boat might have been a surprise for the smugglers, but not to the government.

Medura openly supports the cartels and profits off of them, at the expense of American lives. They were never going to stop, so they had to BE stopped.

Any country who didn't stop that kind of criminal behavior is a country that would weaken over time and be taken over.

Where is that sympathy for the Americans dying? Why only sympathy for the criminals?

[Anonymous]

This largely depends on who... if it is just a friend, as far as im comfortable, if it is the Lady of my House, any means necessary within the confines of the law. My place is to execute her directives.

[ilistengood]

That's an excellent question. It would depend on who gave me the order, did I think it was a suggestion to "throw the rule book away" possibly involving lawlessness to carry out his majesties edicts.. if that were the case I would ask if that was what was expected of me in the performance of my duties. If it was then it goes back to who's ordering what.

[mstbooblover]

All I wanna say around these matters is that the situation worldwide is getting very alarming. Too many idiots, and too much ego everywhere, etc... Good question mind, but I have no take away answer: at least case sensitive.

[Shiprex]

To me it means I have responsibility not just authority I should take the fall when it goes wrong.

Trump doesn't follow that mantra as he's a narcissist.

[Jerre]

As far as necessary to get rid of drug smugglers and the drugs they are trying to get into the USA. THOS MEN ON THE BOAT WERE Not Innocent people. They were drug smugglers and deserved to die.

[purplepoppy]

Innocent until proven guilty

[Chazmatazz269]

They declared the cartels terrorist organizations. We have had a “war on terror” going for over three decades. We don’t try terrorists in a war. “Innocent until proven guilty” does not apply.

[Red_Arrow]

The boat was pretty small and had many people on board, taking up room that would have been filled with drugs if they were smugglers. It also did not have the capability of getting anywhere near the USA due to lack of the amount of fuel it would have taken. And for anyone stupid enough to believe they were smuggling drugs, capturing it and showing the drugs would have been the way to show they were smuggling drugs. Blowing it up was simply hiding the fact that there were no drugs on board by blowing up human beings, not drugs.

[dustybiker2]

He is pushing the limits and receiving little resistance. What the real question here is. How much will people take?

[noohair]

I am positive that all you get in England is a twisted contracted negative view of President Trump, that is why do not concern myself with the politics of other countries. It is up to the voters there.

[DJB72]

My grandfather didn't risk his life and see his friends killed on D-Day for what Two-Tier Queer Kier has done to the UK...

[DonaldDarko]

"Those innocent people" oh no, not those people! Ha ha ha ha ha! The Nazis blew them up! LOL

[UnwantedScorpio]

I have German and Jewish genes how did this work xD

[Anonymous]

Depends on what kind of political, economical and military power do I have at my disposal.

[blackeagle007]

That’s what happens when you have a loose cannon as president.

[Jennz6]

It’s all good

[Sal_Monella]

What someone is that?

[PeterLegg91]

You taking his words out of context

[ohsheeT]

It doesn't matter