Are you for or against funding for DHS?

[Pterodon]

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A total of 17 votes were cast: 4 girls and 13 guys. See detailed results

[sage2021]

Can you imagine how much worse America 🇺🇸 would be without it?

Sure, let the insane and violent illegal aliens who are in America 🇺🇸 now thanks to Biden run our lives. They're trying to do that anyway. Who in the hell do they think they are?

I really miss living in America 🇺🇸 before Biden let in millions of illegal aliens. They are shut disturbers! Period!!

Go back where you came from!! Who needs you and the trouble you cause?

Bring on the comments defending the bad guys like you always do. It's because you are like them!!

[sage2021]

Thank you for the MHO 🙂

[Anonymous]

We need more cops of every denomination and more jails.

[Chazmatazz269]

Both… i remember when Bush created DHS and i was b*tching about the hypocrisy of conservatives claiming that they want small government while creating new departments like DHS.
Simultaneously i am in favor of law and order. The attacks on 9/11/01 demonstrated that we had some vulnerabilities. Did we need a whole new department to pull it off? Did they need to start stripping away citizens’ rights to privacy with blanket wire tapping and internet traces? I doubt it, but they always find ways to justify their hypocrisy. Don’t they? I remember my conservative friends getting all huffy and puffy when i reminded them that “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ~ Ben Franklin
Maybe we could have closed the gaps in our security with existing departments working more closely together. We almost certainly could have done so without infringing upon the basic rights of law abiding citizens. In that way, i wish DHS was never created. However, expanding existing departments to close the gaps would still have cost money. In terms of “funding”, i don’t know if there’s a way to improve our national security AND save money. There probably is. The federal government is infamously the worst at budgeting.
Forty years ago there was a scandal about the Pentagon budget after the Packard commission published a report showing that they had paid $400 for a hammer, $600 for a toilet seat, and $7k for a coffee maker; among other unjustifiable overspending.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-30-vw-18804-story.html

Here we are four decades later and the waste, fraud and abuse is as bad as it has ever been. Due in no small part to our two-party system. Republicans want to limit democrats’ spending, but don’t really watch their own, and vice versa. So NOBODY really takes the budget seriously. How could we possibly rectify the deficit, let alone the national debt, with a system based on sabotage politics? Are we just supposed to accept the additional costs of running newly formed government agencies and/or NGOs? Do you think that they will defund and disband any given department if/when said department solves every issue for which it was designed to mitigate? Or is every government agency and department solely focused on justifying its own existence? Who on Earth goes to work every day intent on working themselves out of a job?
Government NEVER shrinks. Nobody relinquishes wealth or power and government never shrinks. That is why i am generally against creating new departments for any reason.
If you accept government expansion in times of “emergency”, they will manufacture emergencies to justify expansion. It’s no bueno.

[exitseven]

ICE has a big mess to clean up, they need all the help they can get.

[strawberryapple]

For it.