Do you believe Donald Trump may of underestimated or misinterpreted Iran’s military capabilities?

[Anonymous]

Donald Trump has been asking other countries for help. That makes me believe he may have underestimated or misinterpreted the capabilities of Iran’s military.
I would have assumed if Iran’s military is so weak the USA wouldn’t need help from other countries.

Yes

No

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Donald Trump keeps whining about NATO lack of support in Iran

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It’s been reported that Russia is helping Iran. Russia is in the top 3 of the countries with the most powerful military

[msc545]

Of course he has. First of all, Trump is not much of a military strategist. He's not educated in it and didn't listen to his generals and admirals like he should have. had he done that at least, he would not be in the predicament he's in now. The Strait of Hormuz is a very formidable geographical pinch point, which you can easily see on the map and Trump could have seen on the map too. The Iranians have it completely fortified, and there is no easy way to get rid of them. Even if they could, it wouldn't be worth it. It would cost the lives of thousands of American soldiers to even try this. This is a war without any discernible purpose or payoff, and it is not worth the life of one soldier on either side. It needs to stop.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Right, if only he had simply been willing to look at a map of the location he's bombing, this entire situation could have been totally different.

Woah the vanity of it all, oh the, the HUBRIS of it all simply strains the heart. 🤧

[msc545]

@Telekinetic-Potato if he did look at a map, he promptly modified it with a sharpie pen to make things look better for himself.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

OK, that's a good one. I laughed

[Asker]

Iran before the 1979 Islamic Revolution looked a lot nicer

[KostasKouvalis]

definitely, yes

[Pterodon]

How are they defeating us? We have complete and total air and sea superiority from day one

[Asker]

@Pterodon Russia is helping them now.

[OlderAndWiser]

Your thinking is very simpleminded. Yes, the USA and Israel together can crush Iran, but

1. If other countries will benefit from the fall of the current Iranian regime, who shouldn't they help in the fight?

2. Concentrating our forces in one region makes us more vulnerable in other regions. Having military assistance lessens that risk.

3. If you think you are out-thinking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you have grossly overestimated your abilities.

[Jersey2]

No.

Iran’s navy is destroyed, their Air Force is destroyed, their Anti-Aircraft weapons are destroyed, their radars are destroyed, their mine layers are destroyed, most of their launchers are destroyed, mainly if not most of their missiles and drones are destroyed.

Their clerical leaders are dead. Their military leaders are dead. The cleric's and military leadership roles were filled with their next best and they are dead now. The clerics and military leadership roles were filled again and many of them are dead now too.

The US has enough oil for itself. But China, India and others depend of the oil that comes though the Straight of Hormuz not us. And Europe will suffer too as prices go up, up and up. But again, the US has enough oil through drilling.

Therefore, those who benefit from protecting the Straight and the oil shipments should defend it, not the US. The US did the hard work of stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. The other nations, gasp, will actually have to do something. I don’t care if they don’t as the US is fine and will export oil at the higher prices. It would also be easier for them to do so as Iran likely won’t attack other nations especially while the US has a knife to their throat and will bomb their power plants next which will also likely lead to civil unrest if not outright civil war.

[Jersey2]

Strait of Hormuz*

[DryGermanGuy]

Iran just shot ballistic missiles into Saudi-Arabia, damaging American planes.

[Jersey2]

@DryGermanGuy Yes. Shit still going on. No one said otherwise. Any way you cut it though, Iran is in bad shape.

[ohsheeT]

Donald Trump is a businessman he sees America bleeding money doing what he's doing


So if you can get other countries to get involved and when I ran doesn't stop doing what they're doing and Trump's going to go in there and just wipe it everything out and he wants other countries to be involved with it so he's not the only blame

But what he needs to stop doing is bragging Because that's all I've heard out of his mouth it's one thing going to work with somebody and Destroy them it's another thing bragging about it that's totally wrong and out of control

[Master_Debator]

Things you might not of considered.

The U. S. is paying for 60 to 70% of this NATO shit and then a bunch of NATO countries don't even jump in. If they had to pay for their own defence... they can't keep up their standard of living. They're living off the US tax payers like the quality learing centers in MN. He's looking for a way out of NATO.

Fuck Iran's abilities... we've already fucked them, slapped their ass, and now we're just tapping Iran on the head with our dick and asking them to make a deal.

Russia can't even beat Ukraine and Iran was supplying their drones... they have their own problems and they'll help Iran about as much as they helped Syria.

Iran is getting smoked

[Ariesman81]

@Master_Debator

Hegseth makes me think I could pull off cornrows

[Master_Debator]

@Ariesman81 lolz Make them respect your gangsta.

[Ariesman81]

That decides it... I'm growing out my pinky nail

[Master_Debator]

@Ariesman81 It makes a great scoop for the cocaine... and you could make your next username Ariesman81Nshiiiit

[Ariesman81]

Next username? 😂 Gotta rip the filter off the Pfunks for that to happen.

[OneViewpoint]

No, Cheeto Jesus didn't underestimate or misinterpret Iran's military. That is giving tRump way too much credit. The Orange Moron doesn't think. About anything. Except his own fantasies and delusions of grandeur. He reacts on impulses driven by mental illness with zero thought. This criminal has connected two dots in his entire life.

[BonzoInBitburg]

Every other country is avoiding this war. Does that mean they have better intel or smarter leaders?

[loveslongnails]

There are 195 countries in the world. Name ONE that has a leader who is NOT smarter than Trump.
I'll wait. LOL

[BonzoInBitburg]

There are 195 of them

[loveslongnails]

What? The math doesn't even add up. LOL Are you trying trying to say Trump is smarter than every leader of every country in the world?

[msc545]

Both, actually.

[msc545]

The leaders of other countries are a lot smarter than Trump. They also are not as crazy.

[loveslongnails]

@msc545 That's what I'm saying. There are 195 countries in the world. 194 of them have leaders who are smarter than Trump. LOL Guess I have to do the math for the maga cult too.

[msc545]

@loveslongnails wait, you're telling me there's one of them with a leader smarter than Trump. That's hard to believe.

[msc545]

I'm sorry, there's one of them with a leader who's not as bright as Trump? Sorry, I'm tired. It's been a long morning.

[loveslongnails]

@msc545 Well, he would be #195 on the list of intelligent leaders, out of 195. In other words, EVERY leader in the world is smarter than Trump. I understand it's early where you are. LOL

[msc545]

@loveslongnails yeah, I'm awake now, and I'm embarrassed. I feel stupid. You are absolutely correct.

[loveslongnails]

@msc545 No worries mate. Coffee works miracles.

[msc545]

I need an IV with coffee at this point.

[loveslongnails]

@msc545 I can relate! LOL

[Bricealan]

I think Trump had very good intelligence with regard to Iran's military capabilities. Guessing he is asking for help simply to get other countries to show support for what he is trying to do, and help from Great Britan or Australia would help

[msc545]

He may very well have had good intelligence, but he decided not to listen to it.

[msc545]

I don't think U. S. intelligence agencies are stupid by any means. I think what's stupid is that they provide good intelligence, and then Trump decides that he knows better, and what we have now is the result.

[BadApple69]

I think the left are believing the BS that Iran spews non-stop. They are not nearly as strong as they try to convince the world. But if we let Iran get nukes they will be more powerful and they would use them.

[msc545]

Iran is not spewing any BS at all. If any BS is being spewed, it's Trump and the United States government. There is no way to stop them from having nuclear weapons short of using our own on them, which would start a world war. Let's hope Trump isn't stupid enough to do that, as well as everything else he's done. It will be a good thing if Iran gets nuclear weapons or is able to manufacture them, actually, because if they can, that will stop the U. S. from invading.

[BadApple69]

You actually believe that Iran’s military is as powerful as US military? If so why haven’t they killed all of US government like we did their government? Why haven’t they sank our entire navy? Why haven’t they destroyed our entire air force? You have a brain you just choose to not use it.

[msc545]

I guess we're supposed to believe the BS that Trump spews, right?

[888theGreat]

Of course , he said he didn't see Iran hitting all the countries around them, even though Iran said they would. America didn't know how deep of missiles they had and about all the ways Iran had to launch them.

I think Iran has to be finished now right or wrong because they will either make nukes or buy them for sure and they will use one against Israel for sure now. They were attacked and had everything destroyed. They want to get the last day.

[strateguy632]

we are not asking for help because "iran is too strong" we are asking for help because on February 6 iran tried to board a nato ship, so nato should help, but nato violated its commitment.

[Pohjolan]

@strateguy632
Don't lie. There is no obligation to join a war of choice anymore now than in Vietnam plus that was a US ship.

[katiesmuff]

May Have? We absolutely now know he did which be of no surprise to anyone as that has been his entire useless and reckless life. It's 350 lbs of walking vermon

[Anonymous]

not at all. I see him looking at how the USA spends far more than any other country in NATO for defense of NATO nations, and they aren't willing to stop circle-jerking each other long enough to help our country in a conflict. He's doing this to prove a point.

NATO is basically a hooker, taking the USA money and not giving us the "sex" we paid for. My guess would be that Trump will use this to try and justify pulling the USA out of NATO and they can go fund themselves. 🤣

[Iron_Man]

No Iran is not a challenge what else do you want him to do Trump start a ground war and start slaughtering people. we’re just attacking their weapons that’s all

[msc545]

It's not so much that the Iranians are a challenge as the actual geography of the Strait of Hormuz is a challenge. Please have a look at the map and tell me what you think.

[Pohjolan]

He probably never read the intelligence rapport.

Also OP if you missed it there hasn't been any official request for help and Mr. Cheetos has multiple times stated that they don't need any help.

[Asker]

He first asked for help and then when other countries showed a lack of commitment in willing to help that is when Donald Trump started saying “the USA doesn’t need help.”

[Asker]

Donald Trump did ask other foreign countries for help but when they did not feel interested that is when Donald trump started saying afterwards we don’t need help.

[Pohjolan]

No he did not. He rejected UK help first.
Also he has flip flopped his stance on this multiple times even on the same day.

[Asker]

He asked Australia which is not a NATO country for help and has publicly insulted NATO countries for their lack of commitment in willing to help.

[Asker]

By the way he speaks it’s quite obvious he was expecting support from NATO in Iran.
youtube.com/shorts/-J5hcfPdn0I?si=WjrkDvf_IRx8BCgA

[Asker]

He has been complaining about lack of support from NATO.

m.youtube.com/watch

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

May have, not “may of” which is just a phonetic pronunciation of “may’ve” the contraction of “may have”

[FreyaRed]

No, but US didn't think China dares to use Iran as a proxy.

[exitseven]

I think he over estimated the willingness of the Iranian people to overthrow the Ayatollah.

[strateguy632]

yes in simple terms we assumed the muslims in iran did not want their government to fund terrorism because muslims oppose terrorism, but we were wrong.

[exitseven]

@strateguy632 they were given the country on a silver platter and they failed to act.

[noohair]

We are degraded by conclusions that war is an instant thing. Things are going according to a plan that should remain secret to the enemies of the President…

[Jeff51]

No. If he wanted to he could wipe them out fast.

[strawberryapple]

Heck, the only reason Israel hasn’t wiped Iran off the map is because the USA is holding them back.

[Jeff51]

Eventually some middle eastern countries won't be around in 50 years. The young people say where was iran.

[strawberryapple]

In my opinion, you can attribute that to Internet access. Once people get a glimpse of the real world, they realize how badly their country is screwing them.

[msc545]

Yeah, you're right after all. Iran has only been around for literally 5,000 years, but it's going to disappear because you want it to.

[msc545]

I don't understand why this even means anything, assuming that it were true, which of course it isn't. Iran has been around for 5,000 years. Literally.

[genericname85]

who cares. the us millitary is litterally at least 10 times stronger either way.

[captain_voidwalker]

Trump is asking other nations for help as a test to see which ones are actually our allies and which ones are just allies on paper.

[DryGermanGuy]

He should have stopped with the idiotic highschool games in highschool.

[captain_voidwalker]

And Europe should fund its own defense instead of the U. S. funding it

[DryGermanGuy]

The U. S. is not funding our defense. E. g. small Germany is paying the same share of NATO operating costs as the big United States (14,9% as of 2026). By the way, the United States, for the longest time, dissuaded European nations to have their own defense alliance. Go figure.

[captain_voidwalker]

Us nato spending 980,000,000,000.
Germany nato spending 93,747,000,000.
We are out funding you by a factor of 10, and thats just dollars we haven't even goten into how much more of our equipment is bieng used and how much more manpower we are supplying.

[DryGermanGuy]

See, that's the problem with people like you - you don't have a clue how things work, but a massive opinion. Just like the assclown Trump.
I wrote about the *operating costs* of NATO, the only thing where the United States could potentially being taken advantage of. But with them paying only 14,9% of the budget (same as Germany), they aren't. You wrote about the military spending which happens according to each country's priorities and has no direct causation with NATO. Germany spending a million, a billion or a trillion on their military does not cause the United States to spend another dime. There are no open bills, that European countries somehow caused and that the United States are paying for us. Get it?

[captain_voidwalker]

And thats why america should pull out of nato, we spend to much on it and we get no benefit from it.

[DryGermanGuy]

You do realize that the only benefactor of an article 5 assistance incident in NATO history so far has been the United States, right?

[captain_voidwalker]

You do realize america is the only reason Europe didn't become vassle states of the Soviet union right?

[DryGermanGuy]

First, it's "vassal states". Second, as history shows, half of Europe did become vassal states, including literally half of my country, Germany. Third, it was largely, but not only, the United States protecting Western Europe, but also the United Kingdom and France. Which was a win-win situation for all, obviously. How many billions of taxes have McDonald's sales created here, that they couldn't in the Communist East?

[supercutebutt]

Fat Dummy forgot drones exist.

[msc545]

Fat dummy also forgot what can be done with drones, but the Iranians have not forgotten at all.

[slatyb]

Win ha Trump been right about anything?

[jshm2]

I doubt he still even knows where it is.

[permanentem]

You sound retarded.

[permanentem]

Just a quick tip 8 years ago Q told us Iran would be a thing all the way in April. Q+ is Trump... So 8 years ago he already told you this conflict was going to go on into April. Yet 8 years latter your low IQ still hasn't managed to catch up to what everyone already knew. That's how slow you are. You're over 8 years behind the curve.

[Dargil]

Not in the slightest.

[Pterodon]

Iran has nothing. They rely on proxies

[msc545]

Yeah, you can tell they have nothing when they're shooting at you.

[Pterodon]

It’s getting less by the day.

[msc545]

Really? You know this how? Are you a soldier there? I just don't know that.

[Pterodon]

Go there and find out

[MrChinaski]

Nothing? The French battle assessments are that 30-40% of oil production capacity in gulf allies has been damaged or destroyed and will take from 3-6 months to 5 years to bring back on line.

[Pterodon]

Nothing. They’re doing all they can do which ain’t much

[msc545]

Maybe you should actually go there and report back to us because even Trump is not alleging that they are doing nothing.

[Pterodon]

So what if they fire a few missles? Why are democrats such pussies?

[msc545]

I think you should stop mouthing off about how weak the Iranians are when they are busily defeating US forces. You Do not know a damn thing about what you're talking about. You are simply a purveyor of lies and bullshit propaganda.

[Pterodon]

How are they defeating us? We have complete and total air and sea superiority since day one. You can’t win without air and sea power. Ask the Germans

[Anonymous]

Why would anyone think that?

[Qiero]

I would say so

[Qurio]

I think so yeah