Do you support or oppose Florida’s new anti-communism school lessons?

[SolitarySolace]

This Fall, Florida Students Will Be Forced to Take “Anti-Communist” Classes - Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the “evils of communism.” - https://truthout.org/articles/this-fall-florida-students-will-be-forced-to-take-anti-communist-classes/

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[OlderAndWiser]

Florida students are "forced" (required) to take physical education, English, math, history, and other subjects. So teaching students about why our country is governed in a way that is antithetical to communism is not "wild" or "off the wall," unless you are a leftist who is ashamed of our country.

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[strateguy632]

Also it is part of history. What actually went wrong in soviet and china and venezuala.

[exitseven]

Florida should be the model for the rest of the cou try.

[OlderAndWiser]

We try, thanks to the best governor ever!

[exitseven]

@OlderAndWiser we have the worst of the worst

[Zack-Bann]

While admittedly a drastic measure it’s not a bad a idea.


With a cancer as vile and detrimental as communism it’s important not to take its spread lightly.


Giving kids both sides and letting them chose is the wrong way to go.
Because communism is appealing to the young and impressionable.
It’s a fairytale about equality and happiness and being taken care of.


The reality is much darker and once it sets in it will be too late to dislodge it.


So yes, kids shouldn’t be lied to.
Tell them how evil communism is and make sure the next generation continues to live free

[loveslongnails]

I haven't seen the curriculum, but as someone with a degree in Education, I'm certain that's going to be bullshit propaganda that presents very little real information, especially since it's from the Heritage Foundation. If you recall, they're the authors of Project 2025, currently responsible for the destruction of the USA. LOL

Florida's other source of information is Prager U, another bunch of douche nugget dipshits spewing some of the worst garbage imaginable.

Wake me up when we're great again.

[SolitarySolace]

@loveslongnails You begin by admitting that you have not seen the curriculum, then declare with certainty that it will be propaganda. That is not an educational assessment; it is dismissing material because you dislike organizations associated with it.

Florida’s law requires age-appropriate instruction using materials that meet standards for professionalism and historical accuracy. The official standards were developed by Florida educators and content experts and include communist theory, domestic movements, foreign atrocities, censorship, political repression, forced labor, famine, and comparisons among capitalism, socialism, and communism. They are not simply a PragerU video passed off as an entire curriculum.

If a particular lesson contains falsehoods or distortion, identify the specific material and challenge it. But announcing that it must be “bullshit propaganda” before reading it—and substituting insults about Heritage, PragerU, and Project 2025—is prejudice, not analysis. Students should learn the ideology’s arguments and the documented record of governments that ruled in its name.

[loveslongnails]

" Florida’s law requires age-appropriate instruction using materials that meet standards for professionalism and historical accuracy." Bullshit. If that were true, they wouldn't be contracting with Prager U. I've SEEN Prager U's video and curriculum, and it's horrendous crap. They're the ones who first suggested that chattel slavery was a "mutually beneficial relationship".

Foreign atrocities? Hmm, does Florida teach what the CIA has done in foreign countries when they overthrow governments that want to use that country's resources for there own people? No.
Political repression? Hmmm... like when the internments? Like what's going on now, when the President has a hit list of anyone who speaks out against him, and labels them "domestic terrorists", when it's actually him and his administration?

This is McCarthyism all over again in a different bottle. It's the same bullshit. Florida has BANNED more books than ANY other state in the nation, claiming everything from age inappropriateness to God knows what else.

The advantage I have over your analysis is simple: I have a degree in Elementary and Secondary Education from a major university, and that university is not in a state where the damn Governor decided to take over the curriculum. I know the typical high school crap about communism is and how it's portrayed in US schools.

You seem to believe there's a real chance at something other than the same old crap, and there isn't. I've also stated before there has NEVER been a purely Communist regime on this planet, that it's always been an authoritarian variant that is a dictatorship or fascist regime of one kind, dressed up as something else.

Do I "dislike" the organizations doing this, as in the State of Florida, who's Dept of Education is run by his hand picked cronies? LOL Dislike would be mild. If I get a moment, I might peruse their curriculum and their sources, but it's not going to be anything more McCarthy in a new container, like it always is in the USA.

[loveslongnails]

Oh did I insult Prager U? The Heritage Foundation? P-2025? Because I don't "like it"? Have you READ or watched ANY of their stuff? Have you? If you have and you support it, you can stop talking to me right now; we're wasting each other's time.

[choco-latte]

I’m anti-communism myself but to me that just sounds like more indoctrination or radicalized politicization of the average citizen or everyday society as a whole. This country is becoming insufferable with politicization as it is. It’s like political ideologies are becoming the new gang wars from the 80’s, one thing is to care another thing to be obsessed as a country in your day to day… very cringey indeed :)

[strateguy632]

They put drag queen in kindergarten and you say don't do indoctriination?

[choco-latte]

@strateguy632 lmao tell me where I said that was okay either? No to any kind of political or ideological indoctrination.

[choco-latte]

@strateguy632 two wrongs don’t make a right. Just don’t involve politics or identity politics in grade schools, period.

[choco-latte]

Public schools* I meant

[SolitarySolace]

@choco-latte I understand the concern about indoctrination, and I would oppose a curriculum that simply told students, “Republicans good, Democrats bad,” or demanded that students adopt my political beliefs.

But I don’t think teaching the history of communism automatically qualifies as indoctrination. Florida’s standards require instruction on communist ideology, movements, revolutions, propaganda, policies, consequences, and their historical relationship to democratic principles. They are also supposed to be age-appropriate and historically accurate.

Students already study fascism, Nazism, slavery, imperialism, wars, religious persecution, and other enormously political subjects. We don’t avoid those histories merely because studying them may lead students to very negative conclusions about the systems involved.

I’m strongly anti-communist, obviously, but I still think the proper standard should be teach the evidence: what communist thinkers proposed, what communist governments actually implemented, what supporters claimed they were trying to accomplish, what opponents experienced, and what the historical results were.

That is education. Indoctrination would be refusing students access to the evidence and simply demanding that they repeat a political conclusion.

[strateguy632]

Good point @SolitarySolace saying communism bad would be indoctrination but this is including part of history in history class.

[Just_Ken]

Left wing propoganda has infiltrated the education system far too much.

[BadApple69]

No matter what your leftist collage professor taught you…. Communism is bad and doesn’t work.
It’s good to teach student ACTUAL history showing what communism has done in the past.

[strateguy632]

@BadApple69 correct and even variations like "single payer health" were already tried in vermont and ended in 2014.

[BadApple69]

Let’s be honest…. The government doesn’t do anything good. The DMV when run by the government was horrible. Go there and wait for 4 or 5 hours. Now it’s run privately you have to make an appointment but you are out of there in 30 minutes.
Mamdani wants government run grocery stores…. Wait till the tax payers see what that’s going to cost them.

[Honeyateleven]

Do you actually know why "communism doesn't work"?
Or are you just repeating what your friends told you

[BadApple69]

@Honeyateleven please enlighten me on why communism doesn’t work. I would love to hear your explanation.

[KostasKouvalis]

I don't like biased of any kind. They should teach both the good and bad and share opinions from people on both sides, and let them choose.

I'm a conservative and visited two museums of Communists ↗

[KostasKouvalis]

I 100% am AGAINST, after seeing THIS...

https://youtu.be/Hlb-HwxUxSU?is=FHeZE9rNAibY0SAN

[RavVid]

Interesting there is a big dichotomy between guys and gals. Guess it is liberal conservative divide

[DryGermanGuy]

This is so fucking stupid. It's nothing more than McCarthyism 2.0. 🙄

https://www.youtube.com/embed/S6WtndHXPt0

[SolitarySolace]

@DryGermanGuy Calling this “McCarthyism 2.0” is a pretty big category error.

McCarthyism involved accusations, investigations, blacklists, and punishment of people suspected of communist affiliation. Florida’s law requires students to study the history of communism—including communist movements, ideology, tactics, consequences, and its conflicts with democratic principles. The law also specifically requires the instruction to be age-appropriate and historically accurate.

Teaching students about the Soviet Union, Maoist China, communist revolutions, political repression, propaganda, and the historical consequences of communist governments is not the same thing as persecuting Americans for their political beliefs.

You can certainly debate whether Florida’s curriculum is balanced enough or whether particular lesson materials are too ideological. But simply teaching students the historical record of communism is not “McCarthyism.”

I support students learning that history precisely because they should understand what communist movements and governments actually did—not because I want modern Americans punished merely for holding left-wing views.

[Cidknee]

Yeah, what he said all except " not wanting leftists pubished", I do want them ALL fucking punished. 🙂

[Cidknee]

*punished

[lightbulb27]

Education is good.

id also suggest they do field trips to communist countries.

[AviatorTom]

I support it. @OlderAndWiser explains it best

[Cidknee]

You damn right!

Ya' know whats wrong with the kids today? They've been indoctrinated by the left-wing liberal.

[Pohjolan]

Just have them read The Gulag Archipelago and write a essay about it.

[Snakeyes7]

It's the perfect lesson in an economics class of what NOT to do and why it doesn't work.

[strateguy632]

Depends on age but youth is good.

[DonaldDarko]

Should have been done long ago

[goaded]

That sounds like East Germany.

[canamlusciouslad73]

It's pure indoctrination.

[blackeagle007]

Florida just sucks 100%

[askingandreplying]

Communism is evil. So true

[Champange]

Well, Florida man at it again.

[RareBreedOfMan]

I approve it

[fishbone77]

that's fantastic