Why has the U.S. spent over $1 trillion annually yet won no war since 1945?

[msc545]

I don't want to hear all the whining about Kuwait and Libya and Panama and all that crap. Those were firefights and skirmishes, not wars. The only other war that I didn't mention is Korea, and Korea was a draw. The reason it was a draw is that the North Korean infantry kicked the shit out of the United States Marines (read about the Chosin Reservoir), and the United States sued for peace.

[CaptainObivous]

These wars were never about winning, they were always about enriching defense contractors who lobbies politicians to think up new wars fight and pay MSM outlets to to support these wars.

[msc545]

Yes, I think you're right. I also think the defense contractors and the government have figured out that the longer they keep the war going, the more the defense contractors can build expensive (though now apparently somewhat ineffective - they attack $25,000 drones with $500,000 missiles) military equipment, and things just keep rolling on. It's just an ongoing business at this point.

[MrChinaski]

Nobody wins in war.

[msc545]

I would say that the people who make the war materials and sell them to the governments involved probably win financially, I don't think anybody else does.

[goaded]

There's a difference between being able to beat anyone and being able to beat everyone, as the Nazis found out, but there's also no support in democratic societies for invasions and, more importantly, oppression of local populations (with the possible exception of Israel).

The increasingly misnamed NATO is primarily a defensive alliance; Russia accuses it of moving East, but it was always states pulling it there, for fear of exactly what's happening in Ukraine.

NATO and the US have done a lot of good things, in Bosnia, for example, but not always.

[goaded]

@FrodoVader007 WTF do you think you're saying, troll?

[goaded]

@FrodoVader007 And what does that have to do with my opinion, troll?

[goaded]

@FrodoSkywalker007

[goaded]

@FrodoVader007 No, proof of being a troll who's been banned is @FrodoSkywalker007 FrodoVader007

[goaded]

@FrodoVader007 Keep talking. It proves you don't understand the difference between a battle and a war. There is a North Korea, it was a draw.

[FrodoVader007]

I'll answer, since you are too afraid.
North Korea invaded with Chinese and Soviet support.
They captured Seoul early (the Chinese would do the same later), and pushed South Korean and allied troops to the Pusan Perimeter.

[goaded]

Apologies, it was South Vietnam that Trump would have bombed to end the war in a week. You know, the moron you support. @FrodoVader007 @FrodoSkywalker007

[FrodoVader007]

@goaded thank you for agreeing with me.
Now,
Is the following statement accurate?
"The reason it was a draw is that the North Korean infantry kicked the shit out of the United States Marines (read about the Chosin Reservoir"

[FrodoVader007]

I'll ask again. I know yellow brick walls are an obsession of yours and you love to defend your friends.

Is this an accurate statement?

The reason it was a draw is that the North Korean infantry kicked the shit out of the United States Marines (read about the Chosin Reservoir

[goaded]

@FrodoVader007 You're a dumb troll who doesn't understand the difference between a battle and a war. @FrodoSkywalker007 Did you report that for being offensive?

[slatyb]

Because we are fighting wars without the support of the people. WWII would not have been won because we were liberating people who had been invaded by Germany or Japan. There were resistance fighters on the ground who supported the liberation. We lost in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan because we didn't have that support and brought death and destruction upon the populace.

[lightbulb27]

it's hard to win wars. Korea... is a long ways away. USA is trying to do what England did and France before that, to enforce their power globally. the only way we do it noew is strong navy and tech/space, soon robots, cyber, dollar.

We won WWII... you know how we did that and it required crushing japan and wiping out Germany. Most people don't have that staying power to commit to that level of awful, which leads to my next question.

[Sevenpointfive]

because if big oil can't get their money by killing muslims then they will just pretend war and still make you pay for it. if it is true that israel was an oil outpost, then they've just lost almost all of their defense from the American people. money can't buy everything.

[NaultD]

The goal of the military industrial complex is not to win a war but endlessly sustain a war as a victory condition.

[Pterodon]

Actually Korea was the UN against N Korea. Yes Americans were there but so were several others. The only continuous war that you dgaf about is with Iran. They’ve been killing Americans for over 40 years and you and your politicians have said and done nothing except give them money to not bully us. Really? You’d tell your son to pay off a bully in school like Obama did with Iran?

[FrodoVader007]

So

1. You debunk yourself in the first sentence

2. You show ignorance on historical issues. Chosin involved the Chinese, not North Koreans. The war lasted for another 2 years.

Still haven't educated yourself 🤦‍♂️

[FrodoVader007]

@msc545 picking Chosin was the wrong decision for its considered the Marine Corps finest hour.

30,000 UN troops (12,000 Marines) were encircled by 120,000 to 300,000 Chinese soldiers in a surprise attack.
The Marines not only held off the Chinese, and organized an orderly withdrawal, but also knocked the Chinese 9th Army out of the war for months, and evacuating Korean civilians from Hangnum.

You chose one of the most significant battles in Marine Corp history, and one of their most celebrated to attack them?

Educate yourself

[goaded]

So, 20% of the military were US Marines, yet you attribute the result to only them. Typical.

[jamesgoldman]

Because it's a money making exercise for defence contractors and the senators etc. have holding is those same companies

[Iron_Man]

You gonna tell me we’ve lost every war I don’t think so

[FrodoVader007]

He even listed the Battle of Chosin Reservoir, which is considered the Marine Corps finest hour 🤦‍♂️
It was also against Chinese, not North Koreans.

[Iron_Man]

@FrodoVader007 he doesn’t know

[FrodoVader007]

Sad truth..

[OldGreyMare]

It's Trump's fault!