Would it still be unfair for a trans woman to compete in female sports if she transitioned before puberty?

Question

Not all of us trans women went through male puberty. I began taking hormones at 15 so I had started male puberty for about 2 years but many of us transition even younger.

Cis women are more fortunate and successful in every other facet of life. People should just let us have the one thing we do better in. Our strength still doesn’t compare to a man’s.

Answer 1

lumos

Master

Hard to say. Everyone's puberty starts at a different point. Some people hit puberty already at age 10, and others at age 13/14 etc. So how can you really prove that you didn't hit puberty before starting your hormonal treatments? Also, even if you technically didn't hit puberty, that doesn't mean that you haven't benefited from having testosterone in your body as a child. Even at a young age, boys still tend to grow muscles at a faster rate.

"Cis women are more fortunate and successful in every other facet of life. People should just let us have the one thing we do better in."

Sorry but this doesn't make any sense at all. Women's sports is already not taken as seriously as men's. Female athletes make less money and garner less attention, even when they're at the peak of their career and incredibly talented/successful. To have trans women come in and just take over because they have benefited from being biologically male up until the age of X, is extremely unfair. I would pretty much compare that to doping. The whole reason why men and women have separate teams and only compete against other men/women is because of the advantages men have. And like I said, even if you do start your hormonal treatments early, it's still incredibly likely that you've reached a physical state/benefited from your hormones in a way that a cis woman never could reach/benefit from. Hence, on a purely biological level, you have an unfair advantage that literally no cis woman ever could have. That goes beyond just having a talent for something or working hard to reach a goal.

You are allowed to identify as a woman. That's totally fine. However, you simply cannot ignore the unfair advantage you have from years of having testosterone in your body. Women's sports are already incredibly underappreciated, so I'd actually argue that cis women are more deserving of getting to compete against other women who are biologically on the same level as them.

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babywerewoof

Xper 4

I dont know whats fair or not here. I think it should be ok for Trans people to compete in sports in school but when it comes to proffesional sports where the slightest physical advantage means millions of dollars, i dont think thats ok. Because in highschool people are vary a lot more in skill and thats going to be the major deciding factor in who wins. But olympic competitors are all proffessionals and the slightest physical advantage that trans women have that cis women would have to take illegal substances to get, thats really not ok. Like i said maybe thats not fair maybe it is, but fair or not thats what i think.

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akihon

Xper 6

Nothing I say is going to sound fair here.

Science is settled as far as gender goes at least as far as it can be, biology is set and ultimately regardless of your outward appearance you have male anatomy and male physiology, your DNA shows your male, your hormones and hormone treatment reduces the amount of male hormone and increased the female hormones but it does not reduce the leg up that you've had since birth.

Now trans athletes dominate women's sports because of their increased ling capacity and increased physical strength over women when competing against them, the bottom male athletes when transitioning competing against women rise to be the top of the women's sport even for those who start their transition early. This again is related to biology.

I don't care what you think or what you look like or call yourself, an attack helicopter if you want I really don't care but I do care about fairness and I do care about science.

While I'm not attacking you I'm am going to say that I don't think your premise is fair simply because the evidence shows that there is still an unfair advantage to the trans athletes.

Now this of course opens up a whole can of worms regarding gender being a social construct and transitioning etc but I want to avoid that because I hope that your smart enough to know how stupid these arguments are.

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SirRexington | 79 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

"people should let us have the one thing we're better in"

Yes, because you are not a woman... geeze, this is why so many people hate trans people. You're claimed to be oppressed but then act so entitled. How is that possible? And look, you should not have been transitioning under the age of 18 anyway. Minors should be prohibited from going through transitional therapy. Only adults should be able to go through the process. And i think there is a reason the word *trans* is the prefix to woman. Because YOU AREN'T a woman. I'm sorry but you aren't.

You are like everyone else, entitled to certain provisions. This I am strongly in favor of. Housing, healthcare, an education. These are things everyone should be guaranteed if they need it. If the doctors (multiple) have concluded that as an adult, transitional therapy is the right path forward then you should have that ability and be covered under Medicare for all. But we should be very careful with prescribing that diagnosis and going through with it. Only in extreme cases. How many de-transition cases are there? A shit ton. Near half regret it and an even higher amount never feel relief from it...

Just because you are trans does not mean we have to take your opinion as the utmost authority. Why are we letting the inmates run the asylum?

ElizaPam

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I deserved to transition at 15 I deserved to be a teen girl just like all women. If I waited until I was 18 I would have a beard!
SirRexington

1 y
You "deserved"? That's not how medical practice works! This is the problem, you don't ask to transition, you DEMAND it! And the the doctor doesn't give in they are labeled a transphobe or a toxic patriarchal male who is ignorant and oppressive.

You are a ridiculous person.
ElizaPam

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Why should I have to ask to transition? I’m a woman and transitioning was my right as a woman.
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SirRexington

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But if wasn't... that's where you're wrong. You aren't a woman. Even after transitioning you aren't a woman. You are a trans woman. For the sake of simplicity you will be addressed as "she" but you aren't a biological woman. And I'm sorry (not really) but biological science is harder than social science. That comes from a guy who studies psychology and sociology.

You have to ask to transition because only YOU "know" that you feel like a woman. No one can read your mind. You have to go to the doctor, tell him or her you are thinking of transitioning. That's how it works... You aren't Naruto... you aren't a dinosaur from Jurassic Park. You can't change your gender whenever you feel like it. You have to transition in order to do so. Why do you need to transition to be a woman anyway? If gender is a construct then why so you need to transition into a woman to become one? What sense does that make? And now can you feel like a woman? What does that feel like?
SirRexington

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And how can you have a "right as a woman" to transition into a woman if the whole point is that you are a woman and have the right to transition into one? You see how confusing and dumb this is?
ElizaPam

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Omg I was born a girl in a boy’s body and no I didn’t need permission when I bought hormones online when I was 15 and I didn’t exactly need permission when I was 18 and went to an LGBT clinic and filled out an informed consent sheet.
LexyIsSexy23

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You need Jesus and therapy
ElizaPam

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@LexyIsSexy23 I love Jesus he made me transgender for a very special reason and loves me so much!

Answer 5

ElizaPam

I deserved to transition at 15 I deserved to be a teen girl just like all women. If I waited until I was 18 I would have a beard!

Answer 6

SirRexington

You "deserved"? That's not how medical practice works! This is the problem, you don't ask to transition, you DEMAND it! And the the doctor doesn't give in they are labeled a transphobe or a toxic patriarchal male who is ignorant and oppressive.

You are a ridiculous person.

Answer 7

ElizaPam

Why should I have to ask to transition? I’m a woman and transitioning was my right as a woman.

Answer 8

SirRexington

But if wasn't... that's where you're wrong. You aren't a woman. Even after transitioning you aren't a woman. You are a trans woman. For the sake of simplicity you will be addressed as "she" but you aren't a biological woman. And I'm sorry (not really) but biological science is harder than social science. That comes from a guy who studies psychology and sociology.

You have to ask to transition because only YOU "know" that you feel like a woman. No one can read your mind. You have to go to the doctor, tell him or her you are thinking of transitioning. That's how it works... You aren't Naruto... you aren't a dinosaur from Jurassic Park. You can't change your gender whenever you feel like it. You have to transition in order to do so. Why do you need to transition to be a woman anyway? If gender is a construct then why so you need to transition into a woman to become one? What sense does that make? And now can you feel like a woman? What does that feel like?

Answer 9

SirRexington

And how can you have a "right as a woman" to transition into a woman if the whole point is that you are a woman and have the right to transition into one? You see how confusing and dumb this is?

Answer 10

ElizaPam

Omg I was born a girl in a boy’s body and no I didn’t need permission when I bought hormones online when I was 15 and I didn’t exactly need permission when I was 18 and went to an LGBT clinic and filled out an informed consent sheet.

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LexyIsSexy23

You need Jesus and therapy

Answer 12

ElizaPam

@LexyIsSexy23 I love Jesus he made me transgender for a very special reason and loves me so much!

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DorkVader

Xper 7

There are a few schools of thought about trans athletes, because there are still issues about cis-gendered women who compete but have high amounts of naturally occurring
testosterone. Then having trans only leagues would have to provide for the safety of its athletes, as they've essentially outed a bunch of people, and the trans community faces a lot of danger still, as people can't just let people live. Then there are the athletes who didn't transition until adulthood. They're certainly no less a transwoman despite timing, his is that fair to them? This is a very complex issue altogether.

Answer 14

Jonny_

Guru

Biologically yes, guys in general have a natural advantage out of how our bodies develop. Even if you transition some of these advantages simply won't change, women have smaller lungs because their body has to be able to fit their uterus which guys obviously never have and a transition will never affect. Our bodies develop muscle differently as well, sure we can be more slight if we wish but as soon as we train for any kind of sport it's easier to develop muscle genetically which is the same reason sport depending that women will take male hormones to improve their results. I get that transitioning usually means stemming those hormones as much as possible but there is still doubt that there isn't still some kind of advantage one way or another.

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MrOracle

Master

Both of these people believe they were born the wrong species and have modified their bodies to appear more the way they self-identify. The person on top believes he's a lizard, and the person below believes she's a feline.

Is this in fact a reptile and a feline? Is belief and modifying their appearance enough to make them so?

ElizaPam

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There is scientific evidence that our brains are like female brains. It’s clearly impossible to have the brain of a different species.
MrOracle

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Unless they're "like" female brains to the extent that they naturally grow female parts and bones and muscles, then in my opinion, there is no difference.

I fully support you doing what you feel is best for you, but that does not obligate the world to perceive you as you wish to be perceived, anymore than it entitles the people I posted to be perceived as lizards or cats. And it would (and already is) destroying female sports by allowing trans athletes compete against biological women.
ElizaPam

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If you saw me in person you would treat me like a woman and you’d probably never know I’m trans.
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MrOracle

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Even assuming that was true, that doesn't change the sports issue.
Greta_lover

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Your right about trans people having neurological disorders but in time they may be able to screen babies for this in the womb giving parents the option to abort.
mistixs

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"our brains are like female brains" that's not relevant when it comes to sports. What's relevant when it comes to sports is the body, not the brain.
LexyIsSexy23

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Lmao

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ElizaPam

There is scientific evidence that our brains are like female brains. It’s clearly impossible to have the brain of a different species.

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MrOracle

Unless they're "like" female brains to the extent that they naturally grow female parts and bones and muscles, then in my opinion, there is no difference.

I fully support you doing what you feel is best for you, but that does not obligate the world to perceive you as you wish to be perceived, anymore than it entitles the people I posted to be perceived as lizards or cats. And it would (and already is) destroying female sports by allowing trans athletes compete against biological women.

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ElizaPam

If you saw me in person you would treat me like a woman and you’d probably never know I’m trans.

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MrOracle

Even assuming that was true, that doesn't change the sports issue.

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Greta_lover

Your right about trans people having neurological disorders but in time they may be able to screen babies for this in the womb giving parents the option to abort.

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mistixs

"our brains are like female brains" that's not relevant when it comes to sports. What's relevant when it comes to sports is the body, not the brain.

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LexyIsSexy23

Lmao

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Greta_lover

Xper 2

If your born Male you have certain biological advantages over any woman that's why despite being a tiny tiny minority compared to women transsexual women when the compete against women in almost any sport that involves physical fitness they rise to the top and dominate women.
I'm sorry to say but it doesn't matter how much hormones they take or surgery they get but trans women will always be men up until maybe in the future geneticists are able to resequence a persons DNA and allow them to grow the sexual organs they want.

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COMMODOREII | 62 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

I really don't see what the difference is. If you look at the science it might depend on the person. See the idea is that men are better at sports than women and its due to the testosterone hormone. But tbh there are women can do much better than men. I think what would be better is determining whether the person is really a man or a woman once they transitioned. Estrogen and testosterone affects the human body differently. So if a person transitions into a woman from a man is that person really a man any longer. Especially if the remove the testes which is the source of the testosterone. If you are taking estrogen or even have had a transplant of ovaries added to your body then technically you are not a man anymore and you should compete in the womens league. Or vice versa if you become a man.

mistixs

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Read this www.cbssports.com/.../

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mistixs

Read this www.cbssports.com/.../

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PrimalInstinct

Xper 5

Absolutely no offense but to be on par with a woman a trans has to start hormones at 10 or younger. By 15 they are an adolescent, produced testosterone, and on average have an unfair advantage of larger muscle mass. It's the simplicity of human biology.

Now the thing is, is how is an older trans any different than a woman taking performance-enhancing drugs. Not much. Really it’s one may still have their dick & the other was born a woman.

And athletes are fined, suspended and even banned from serious events & pro sports for performance-enhancing drugs. I say the same should be of older trans regarding events were awards or money is involved and/or events on the state, national, etc. level.

They may not be taking drugs, after all, but they’re naturally “performance enhanced”.

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wankiam | 85 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

in motorsports it wouldn't matter but in sports that aren't a level playing field the only real workable way around the whole testosterone levels debate is to have male, femal and trans sports... would bring a whole new meaning to the old tv show that was called transworld sport.

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HungLikeAHorsefly

Guru

It's my understanding that it's primarily the secondary sex characteristics that would give a person an unfair advantage in sports that are divided up along gender lines. That is, the relatively larger muscle mass that males enjoy is developed after puberty. That leads me to think that if someone transitioned before puberty, they are on equal footing with people whose gender matches their birth-assigned biological sex. So, they should be allowed to compete in sporting events.

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humanearth | 51 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Guru

If a women can compete with men in weight lifting, NASCAR, Pro Wrestling,

I even just read a story about a woman took on some man for his MMA for the title in Mexico. She lost but almost won.

So if you want to do boxing or something that. Go for it.

Answer 30

Trolloween

Yoda

When you see trans women compete, do they do average or are they typically winning and smashing world records? That should really be the answer and all the evidence you need to see that it is grossly unfair. Trans athletes will destroy all women's sports. How would you feel if you dedicated thousands of hours and your whole life to being a top athlete and then an average man comes in after transitioning and breaks the world record? It is staggering anyone can argue this is OK or fair.

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chrissykerdock

Yoda

the whole concept is wrong and immoral... can't they let girls compete amoung their own sex... why do they have to bring male boys to compete with them... this is wrong it's actually sick... it's like letting men use women toilets because they think their cross genders... I've seen a few so called cross genders and they look nothing like women... there's no way you can rationalize this it's so wrong on so many levels.

ElizaPam

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I look like a woman, a lot of us do look like women.

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ElizaPam

I look like a woman, a lot of us do look like women.

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mistixs

Guru

Even younger than 15, male biology makes somebody better at sports than an adult woman. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

chrissykerdock

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i don't think transgenders should be able to compete against females... it totally destroys the competive levels... it's not a stretch to say males are stronger than females by far.

Answer 34

chrissykerdock

i don't think transgenders should be able to compete against females... it totally destroys the competive levels... it's not a stretch to say males are stronger than females by far.

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EchoicReticence

Xper 1

I think a trans woman should be able to compete in female sports, but I will add however, that if the bodily development offered an unfair advantage (the start of rapid muscle growth, etc) that it'd probably be best to wait until she has gotten further along in the hormone treatment, and further along in the age class for the sport as that would allow for one to be placed at a competitive level with others minimizing the chances of an unfair advantage on the field. Not for the sake of everyone else and their pride, but for the trans person who wants to play the sport because that could lead to disqualification and could ultimately lead to them not wanting to play that sport again and possibly destroying someone's passion for it. And thats my only concern in the matter, is preserving a passion, regardless of gender. No one should have to hate something they love over someone else's opinion.

Answer 36

worldscolide

Master

No.. If you're not biologically a woman you absolutely should not be permitted to compete against women in sport... And transitioning before puberty, I'd want to know the names of the parents that committed such child abuse.

ElizaPam

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Not letting a child transition is child abuse. I guess you think you know better than someone who was actually a transgender child though so I’m wasting my time.
worldscolide

1 y
No, I have a friend of mine, knew what they were at 6.. He was glad that he chose to transition as an adult because as an adult it's an informed decision... As a 6 year old it is not.. Seriously you will not win this argument with me..
SirRexington

1 y
It is child abuse to let them transition... if a parent or physician makes a child transition and go on puberty blockers they should go to jail for child endangerment, abuse and neglect. Minimum of five years.

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ElizaPam

Not letting a child transition is child abuse. I guess you think you know better than someone who was actually a transgender child though so I’m wasting my time.

Answer 38

worldscolide

No, I have a friend of mine, knew what they were at 6.. He was glad that he chose to transition as an adult because as an adult it's an informed decision... As a 6 year old it is not.. Seriously you will not win this argument with me..

Answer 39

SirRexington

It is child abuse to let them transition... if a parent or physician makes a child transition and go on puberty blockers they should go to jail for child endangerment, abuse and neglect. Minimum of five years.

Answer 40

loveslongnails | 53 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Guru

If you were born with male parts, you dont play on the women's team, and vice versa, in my opinion. The LPGA has that rule, and its simple and easy. Its a small price to pay in the long run, that's part of your choice.

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SuccessfulHornDog | 128 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

hmmm that a good question. I think that males are born with more muscle than females and then the have testosterone to increase them. Without puberty you'd still have an advantage over females in the amunt of base muscle

Answer 42

JackSmy

Guru

So why not start a trans league, for whatever sport? Why make it an issue, trying to complete, or being judged, or being forbidden from competing?
Why not have your own, and make it your own?

Answer 43

SamtheDnDgirl

Yoda

I don't think it's unfair for a trans woman to compete with other women after a year or two after starting medical transition. The point where doctors say there isn't a difference between trans women and cis women in a competitive environment.

The whole "unfairness" argument is mostly from ignorant transphobes.

R3DthatDude

1 y
Yea buts kind of pointless if you think about it. They have to make themselves weaker to compete, but then when they start training to get stronger, people are going say see there male side helped them. Trans should just create a new league
mistixs

1 y
so being on estrogen will completely erase the advantages a trans woman had even prior to puberty? Middle school boys beat a professional team of highly trained adult female athletes www.cbssports.com/.../
R3DthatDude

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The problem is how often does that happen. Anything is possible especially if talented. There are 12 year olds who can out bench press a grown man. My point is it’s not common. Women already have issues with there sports getting any interest from the public, now you got guys claiming trans to compete with them. Might as well abolish gender separation in sports
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SamtheDnDgirl

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@R3DthatDude There is not enough for a separate trans league. Further division is not the answer as trans men want to be treated as men and compete with men. Trans women want to be treated as the gender they are. A separate league would be even further discrimination and no one wants that.
SamtheDnDgirl

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@mistixs did you read the article? The women's team wasn't trying.
lumos

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A year or two of transitioning doesn't erase 10-15 years of testosterone benefits. Seeing the massive biological advantage in that is not transphobic. I think it's extremely sad to see cis women's dreams be crushed when a trans woman easily beats them in a way they could never even compete with.
mistixs

1 y
An adult men's team wouldn't have to "try" to beat a team of middle schoolers.
Trolloween

1 y
Then why do trans women destroy world records and win in every sport they compete in? Are you seriously suggesting a huge coincidence?

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R3DthatDude

Yea buts kind of pointless if you think about it. They have to make themselves weaker to compete, but then when they start training to get stronger, people are going say see there male side helped them. Trans should just create a new league

Answer 45

mistixs

so being on estrogen will completely erase the advantages a trans woman had even prior to puberty? Middle school boys beat a professional team of highly trained adult female athletes www.cbssports.com/.../

Answer 46

R3DthatDude

The problem is how often does that happen. Anything is possible especially if talented. There are 12 year olds who can out bench press a grown man. My point is it’s not common. Women already have issues with there sports getting any interest from the public, now you got guys claiming trans to compete with them. Might as well abolish gender separation in sports

Answer 47

SamtheDnDgirl

@R3DthatDude There is not enough for a separate trans league. Further division is not the answer as trans men want to be treated as men and compete with men. Trans women want to be treated as the gender they are. A separate league would be even further discrimination and no one wants that.

Answer 48

SamtheDnDgirl

@mistixs did you read the article? The women's team wasn't trying.

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lumos

A year or two of transitioning doesn't erase 10-15 years of testosterone benefits. Seeing the massive biological advantage in that is not transphobic. I think it's extremely sad to see cis women's dreams be crushed when a trans woman easily beats them in a way they could never even compete with.

Answer 50

mistixs

An adult men's team wouldn't have to "try" to beat a team of middle schoolers.

Answer 51

Trolloween

Then why do trans women destroy world records and win in every sport they compete in? Are you seriously suggesting a huge coincidence?

Answer 52

Anonymous

Very hard to answer. If not at all I'd at least propose a transolympics kinda event. I don't really know how those hormones affect a human, but I would let them participate as the gender they transitioned to. A couple of years to adapt should be enough I persume.

Answer 53

Gedaria

Master

Sadly they are in the middle. Cannot compete with guys but compete with the girls. I would do like they do in the para Olympics have category for trans...

Answer 54

sheepdip

Xper 6

Big tent question.

I don't think, with the data we have now, that we can answer that question. My instincts are to say that trans women who are on hormones should be able to compete, but I understand that this has potential pitfalls.

This isn't an easy thing to answer.

Answer 55

Pejtu

Yoda

If u are 6 feet girl or taller with biceps bigger then avarage guy then yes thats quite unfair u participate in girls only sport team

Answer 56

Lemia

Explorer

@ElizaPam For someone that struggles with feeling comfortable about the size of their penis maybe sports isn't for you.

I would think maybe it would suited for the paralympics instead of the olympics.

Answer 57

John_Doesnt | 142 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

It's not fair for Heather Swanson to compete in the strong woman competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

ElizaPam

1 y
Yeah because South Park is real life.
John_Doesnt

1 y
It is real life. That parody was based on an actual trans woman competing it a woman's wrestling competition.
ElizaPam

1 y
Are you talking about that picture of a trans boy wrestling a girl? That’s a trans MAN they won’t let him wrestle men.
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Greta_lover

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I think maybe Hannah Mouncey the 6'2 220llb trans athlete who absolutely destroys all female competition.
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razelove

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@Greta_lover heh, think you'd like this one
www.youtube.com/watch

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ElizaPam

Yeah because South Park is real life.

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John_Doesnt

It is real life. That parody was based on an actual trans woman competing it a woman's wrestling competition.

Answer 60

ElizaPam

Are you talking about that picture of a trans boy wrestling a girl? That’s a trans MAN they won’t let him wrestle men.

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Greta_lover

I think maybe Hannah Mouncey the 6'2 220llb trans athlete who absolutely destroys all female competition.
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razelove

@Greta_lover heh, think you'd like this one
www.youtube.com/watch

Answer 63

Laozi

Explorer

Trans community should make some rules for that. So it wouldn't create a problem.

Answer 64

Anonymous

Nobody cares about fairness, no matter what they say. Human nature is to seek advantage or nullify that of a competitor, plain and simple.

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Miristheiss | 68 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Guru

100% unfair.
Completely unfair to girls.
If someone is born male they should NOT be allowed to compete against biological women.

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grega239

Yoda

I'd you're born with xy chromosomes you can't compete with xx.
Men are physically superior even before puberty.

grega239

1 y
Also. You may not have the strength of an average man but even then you're above average compared to a woman.
Upper body strength is about 50% difference between a man and a woman.
It unfair

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grega239

Also. You may not have the strength of an average man but even then you're above average compared to a woman.
Upper body strength is about 50% difference between a man and a woman.
It unfair

Answer 68

Juxtapose

Guru

Biological women should only have to compete with other biological women.

Women's sports should not be destroyed just to cater to a small minority.

ElizaPam

1 y
What about trans men competing against men?
ElizaPam

1 y
What do you mean women’s sports would be destroyed.
Juxtapose

1 y
Trans men are biological women who should be slated for women's sports but immediately disqualified for testosterone usage.

Allowing them to compete with men while not allowing trans women to compete with women would be unfair, so basing the entire system around biological sex is the logical choice.
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Juxtapose

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And women's sports is already destroyed. Biological men are breaking women's records and this just needs to be stopped.

I understand it sucks for trans people but they are very small minority and the majority should be put first. Under no circumstances should a biological man ever compete against a biological woman.
LexyIsSexy23

1 y
Thank you men fight men I don't care what you are pretending to be currently you have sperm cells you are a man
ElizaPam

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@LexyIsSexy23 I’m not pretending to be a woman I am a woman and my sperm count is super low!
Juxtapose

1 y
@LexyIsSexy23 np and yeah, you cannot change your biological sex. A man cannot become a woman and vice versa.

Society just plays pretend to help trans people, but now they want to ruin sports and this is going too far.

All transitioning is, is making yourself appear to be the opposite sex. It's not "wrong" but it is playing pretend. You can't transition into a cat, another age, another race, etc.
LexyIsSexy23

1 y
Thank you
ElizaPam

1 y
Just because it looks like playing pretend to you doesn’t mean it’s actually playing pretend. I was playing pretend when I pretended to be a boy but a girl is the true authentic me.
Juxtapose

1 y
Your sex isn't a mental state, it's like your height.

If you strongly identify with being 7ft tall, are you seven feet tall?

No disrespect meant, just being honest.
LexyIsSexy23

1 y
@Juxtapose you tried🙂
Juxtapose

1 y
@LexyIsSexy23 Eliza is cool, they won't throw a fit over a disagreement. I like bouncing ideas off of someone with a different perspective.
LexyIsSexy23

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I wouldn't waste my breath personally but I get it

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ElizaPam

What about trans men competing against men?

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ElizaPam

What do you mean women’s sports would be destroyed.

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Juxtapose

Trans men are biological women who should be slated for women's sports but immediately disqualified for testosterone usage.

Allowing them to compete with men while not allowing trans women to compete with women would be unfair, so basing the entire system around biological sex is the logical choice.

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Juxtapose

And women's sports is already destroyed. Biological men are breaking women's records and this just needs to be stopped.

I understand it sucks for trans people but they are very small minority and the majority should be put first. Under no circumstances should a biological man ever compete against a biological woman.

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LexyIsSexy23

Thank you men fight men I don't care what you are pretending to be currently you have sperm cells you are a man

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ElizaPam

@LexyIsSexy23 I’m not pretending to be a woman I am a woman and my sperm count is super low!

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Juxtapose

@LexyIsSexy23 np and yeah, you cannot change your biological sex. A man cannot become a woman and vice versa.

Society just plays pretend to help trans people, but now they want to ruin sports and this is going too far.

All transitioning is, is making yourself appear to be the opposite sex. It's not "wrong" but it is playing pretend. You can't transition into a cat, another age, another race, etc.

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LexyIsSexy23

Thank you

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ElizaPam

Just because it looks like playing pretend to you doesn’t mean it’s actually playing pretend. I was playing pretend when I pretended to be a boy but a girl is the true authentic me.

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Juxtapose

Your sex isn't a mental state, it's like your height.

If you strongly identify with being 7ft tall, are you seven feet tall?

No disrespect meant, just being honest.

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LexyIsSexy23

@Juxtapose you tried🙂

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Juxtapose

@LexyIsSexy23 Eliza is cool, they won't throw a fit over a disagreement. I like bouncing ideas off of someone with a different perspective.

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LexyIsSexy23

I wouldn't waste my breath personally but I get it

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Stoner710

Guru

Yes estrogen increases bone density even without hitting puberty the biological male can still outcompete women if they are equally trained

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Anonymous

You should not compete your still a guy who just completely altered his body. Your no different from frankinstine

ElizaPam

1 y
Frankenstein was a creature brought to life from the body parts of several dead people. I take female hormones and live as a woman. I don’t see the comparison.
Opinion Owner

1 y
Completely altered body with chemicals pumped into it. Fake science used and being something your not.
ElizaPam

1 y
How is the science fake?

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ElizaPam

Frankenstein was a creature brought to life from the body parts of several dead people. I take female hormones and live as a woman. I don’t see the comparison.

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Opinion Owner

Completely altered body with chemicals pumped into it. Fake science used and being something your not.

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ElizaPam

How is the science fake?

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PondyPand

Master

If HE wants to identify as a toaster then fine, but that doesn't mean a toaster can compete in sports does it? Can't be something to you're not.

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razelove

Yoda

I say do whatever you want, it's none of my business, and I could care less about sports, male or female, crush it out there bro.

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Iron_Man | 774 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

They are men and cannot ever take on a woman in any sport it would be cheating. Look at Bruce Jenner he would destroy any woman in track and field in his prime if he had his sex change back then

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Anonymous

That's not a good argument. When it comes to sports there should be no exceptions. If you're born with a penis you complete with the males, and vice versa.

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AngelLily

Yoda

No even without male puberty trans women naturally still got bigger bone density and speed then women.

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Plitty-Tank

Yoda

I think it is best not to compete in sports meant for males or females only but coed instead.

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jayfuninfla

Xper 1

I dont know. i have a transman friend. he's pretty tough

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R3DthatDude

Yoda

I don’t think it’s fair, regardless of whatever treatments you get to try and suppress the male side of you.

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NickJC17

Xper 1

Yes. 100% unfair. And I honestly am disgusted that people are okay with people transitioning that damn young.

ElizaPam

1 y
We know who we are our entire lives we don’t just wake up one day and decide to get a sex change.
PondyPand

1 y
Totally agree @NickJC17 when I was that age I wanted to be a werewolf but didn't think of transitioning to one. No one knows their mind at that age! 🤦
NickJC17

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Eliza, so many people who transition at a young age regret it. No. Anyone who thinks they know who they fully and completely are by the age of 15 or younger is delusional.

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ElizaPam

We know who we are our entire lives we don’t just wake up one day and decide to get a sex change.

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PondyPand

Totally agree @NickJC17 when I was that age I wanted to be a werewolf but didn't think of transitioning to one. No one knows their mind at that age! 🤦

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NickJC17

Eliza, so many people who transition at a young age regret it. No. Anyone who thinks they know who they fully and completely are by the age of 15 or younger is delusional.

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Dchrls78104

Guru

Still unfair. No matter what, they are biologically men, not women, and should stick to men's affairs and men's sports.

ElizaPam

1 y
If we’ve never been through male puberty we’ve never been men.
Dchrls78104

1 y
Born male? Then you're a male/ man. The only people who have never been men are those who were born females.
ElizaPam

1 y
I’m not a man but ok.
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Juxtapose

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He's speaking in a strictly biological sense. Biologically, no amount of modern day treatment can change your biological sex.

There is just a social contract where if you can present yourself as a woman convincingly enough, you will be treated as a woman in most matters by most people.

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ElizaPam

If we’ve never been through male puberty we’ve never been men.

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Dchrls78104

Born male? Then you're a male/ man. The only people who have never been men are those who were born females.

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ElizaPam

I’m not a man but ok.

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Juxtapose

He's speaking in a strictly biological sense. Biologically, no amount of modern day treatment can change your biological sex.

There is just a social contract where if you can present yourself as a woman convincingly enough, you will be treated as a woman in most matters by most people.

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Anonymous

"People should just let us have the one thing we do better in"
so you know you are at advantage, you know that would still be unfair lol, what a joke. make your own competition

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Anonymous

What the hell is a "cis woman"?

I'm a woman. Not a cis woman.

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bklynbadboy1

Guru

Yes it would be unfair cause she may identify with the female gender it's still a man bigger faster and stronger

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Taylor_C

Yoda

Yes. It's not only about hormones, but genes.

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YHL6965

Guru

We are born different, even before puberty so it's still a no for me.

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Mad_man_x

Xper 1

Honestly I personally think trans people are a mistake in this world

ElizaPam

1 y
No we’re not wtf.
Mad_man_x

1 y
Sorry honey but there's only two genders , a male and a female

Anything else is a genetic disorders
ElizaPam

1 y
Yeah there’s only 2 genders and I’m female.
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Mad_man_x

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So why call yourself trans?
ElizaPam

1 y
Because I was born in a boy’s body so I’m different.
Mad_man_x

1 y
You mean with a penis?
ElizaPam

1 y
Yes I was born with a weenie it makes me sad.
Mad_man_x

1 y
So then how can exactly be sure your a girl?
ElizaPam

1 y
Because I am a girl it’s not something I have to question
Mad_man_x

1 y
That makes no sense