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"Guns don't kill people. People kill people." Do you agree with this quote? (Page 2)
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I agree but we still need restrictions. I'm a bartender and I've had fights break out, people breaking windows throwing bottles, using stools and whatnot.
A gun in this environment could easily have resulted in deaths. Thankfully, not even a hospital was needed in some instances.
Just a few weeks ago, a shootout ended up with a bouncer getting killed not too far from where I work.
I would not feel safe serving alcohol to people with weapons because they can escalate quickly.
People pull the trigger, true. But guns make it much easier to kill lots of people in a very short timespan. It also allows the killer to keep a distance from their victim, making it easy to emotionally detach themselves from the people they're killing.
Yes and no. Like the message they're trying to send guns don't kill people it's only a paperweight unless it's loaded and used. There must be someone there to pull the trigger.
However accidents do happen and yes like it says people kill people but the incident would be avoided if there was no gone to begin with. For instance a kid getrig a hold of it because they're parents didn't hide it well or just left it around.
That's like saying people who text while driving aren't at fault of causing wrecks because it's the phone that's at fault. A gun won't fire at someone unless someone pulls the trigger. Guns aren't problematic, it's the people wielding it that gives guns a bad reputation. I'm not a gun nut but I have an appreciation for guns. They're fun to shoot and that's really the main part for myself. Though I know they can be fun, I know they're pretty dangerous which is why I never keep a magazine inside the gun or bullets as well.
I wasn't saying ban all guns I was saying we should have stricter regulations. When they fall into the wrong hands they can be deadly.
And I never said anything about "banning guns". What would you purpose as "stricter regulations"? When someone purchases a gun, they run a background check. I'm not saying this as an insult, I'm really wondering what you would consider for a stricter regulation.
I don't know... Like if you have records on imposing threats on people you should not be able to own a gun. If you have records of mental illness you should not be able to own a gun. May be a dumb idea and I'm sorry.
Don't be sorry. When they run a background check, they look into whether a person is has any mental illnesses that could lead to assaults or violent incidents. They check for criminal activity as well, so if you committed any type of illegal action that was considered as a serious offense, then that could lead to the person not being able to be granted the gun. If anything, I would suggest that maybe they could check on any type of group activity that a person is involved with. Such as clubs or organizations. Looking further into background checks like a family tree seeing if whether someone of a relative has committed illegal activity.
Ehhh no so much. Thats like saying smoking doesn't kill people, people kill people
The fact of the matter is a gun is a tempting tool to kill/injure someone with. Its clean, swift, powerful and can be used from a distance. A gun is designed to fatally wound a human
Yes because a gun is just a piece of metal and it cannot kill or hurt anyone unless I person puts bullets in it, aims it, and pulls the trigger. It's ridiculous to blame inanimate objects for horrible crimes that people commit
Also, banning guns wouldn't do anything but violate our constitutional rights and take guns away from law abiding citizens because criminals and terrorists don't abide by our laws and they'll always find ways to get guns. Heroin, cocaine, marijuana, and ecstasy are illegal yet you can get it in any city in the country so anyone who thinks making something illegal solves the problem is an idiot
Again, same thing will happen when they banned alcohol.
If there was no guns a guy would just wake up the next day with a sore face not be lying on a mortuary slab. Its ridiculous. Its called escalation. Gun deaths have got to be made taboo again or theyll keep happening. If we fought with knives for years then suddenly somebody turns up with a gun, you can guarentee nearly everybody who comes to the next fight will have one. Then somebody uses an automatic, everybody wants an automatic then and its anarchy. The more common shooting deaths become the more desensitised people will be and more likely theyll do it themselves. Look at riots. One person smashes a window and next thing windows are getting smashed all over the street. People are lemmings. As long as somebody does it first and sets tbe presedent then everybody will want a piece thinking its fine. Guarentee there will be another nutter does the same in the next week
I agree with @obscuredbeyond on the fact that even if legal access to guns is taken away, the black market and illegal access to guns will always be there. And that will leave truly good citizens unarmed and vulnerable to the criminals.
I also agree with hypocrisy of governments that try to ban guns. I've witnessed revolutions up close. If the people were armed, those bastards would have thought twice before committing those seemingly legitimate but terrible crimes against humanity and human rights.
But doing better on background checks, and establishing better (not firmer) rules to keep guns out of the hands of idiots, irresponsible people, and children and teenagers is a good idea.
And just FYI, some creative criminal commited a massacre by using a pressure cooker. They didn't even need guns. Just a trip to mama's kitchen.
The quote sounds correct, a gun won't kill someone by itself. Though, the way I would put it is: people kill people with the help of guns. Saying guns won't kill kind of sounds like guns aren't dangerous. We all know a gun is an extremely powerful weapon and it can be used as a tool to kill someone in a matter of seconds. People kill people along with guns. If any random person didn't have a gun there wouldn't be as many deaths. Honestly, I think killing someone should be the last thing to come across one's mind.
There wouldn't be as many deaths since guns are such a quick and easy way to kill people**
Did the 9/11 terrorist use guns? Did the Boston Marathon Bombers use guns? Did Timothy Mcveigh in Oklahoma City use guns? Nope. But they were people. We already have gun control and more gun control is simply a waste of time. Want to toughen gun laws, then the current gun laws need to be reinforced and enforced better. We have the NICS Background check system for gun purchases. It fails occasionally and a felon is able to buy a gun. More laws won't fix this. Fixing the background system would. But, we need to fight the people problem not the supposed gun problem. And banning guns would just be "removing the check engine light" without fixing the problem.
Guns don't walk around
Guns don't hate people
Guns aren't discriminating
Guns do not have feelings
Guns do not fire "by themselves"
It's people, that operate them, that do. No mystery.
Where is common sense these days?
🙄 well obviously.
I found this appropriate
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What? My question?
No the picture lol
Oh lol
I agree with the statement, however, with less gun access and more control over who can have one, that will lessen the amount of crazy people that will use them.
So People Control, eh?
What you people folk r saying is that you want, instead of controlling the guns so widely dispersed throughout this country, you want to take the horribly slower path by investimigating every person that gets a gun?
Gun control is evidently needed
It is the person behind the gun that does the shooting. That was a philosophy ylthat I grew up with. Some people do not need a gun, mostly people who are mentally unfit to mess with a gun or criminals.
It also depends on the gun too. There are guns that a citizen does not need to have. Such as machine guns.
I do believe that people can own a gun, but be gun smart.
The quote over simplifies the issue to make it easier to agree with their argument aka a fallacy.
It is true that guns do not shoot by themselves, but i find it hard to believe that the killing in orlando would have had near as many deaths if the guy were to be killing with a knive.
I do not like the quote, but i do agree that people should have the right to bear arms. We should have a more strict sorting system, but still some people would abuse it. That is unavoidable.
What type of fallacy was used
Australia hasn't banned all guns, they just have strict laws in place in order to obtain one legally with background checks etc. It is safe to say that we have less shootings in Australia that result in death then in America. That is fact!
It is both a strawman fallacy because it oversimplifies the opposite point of view to make it easy to counter. No one in the anti-gun side thinks guns kill people without people's intervention. They think people with guns kill more people than people without guns. Therefore, just saying that either guns kill people or people kill people oversimplifies their argument in a more convenient way to counter it.
Also, it is a black and white or either or fallacy. It assumes that either guns kill people or people kill people when there could be many other options. This means that you are giving two optiona and since nobody will say that guns by themselves kill people then the only other option is that people kill people.
As you see, it is a faulty argument.
@Melody96 every place that is not in war has less shotting than the US sadly :/
Guns are a tool that on their own do nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seH3bsymNJ4True.
Muslim fundamentalists kill people. (Most of the time). And they hate gay people. Except young boys, with whom they have sex.
I don't know what stricter gun control would accomplish considering every single president since Reagan has given free weapons away to terrorist groups with millions of dollars in private bank accounts that operate all over the world. Do you think they're gonna obey gun laws, think again. Paris, a city with strict gun control, had a similar massacre 2 or 3 times.
Really?
Shootings in France:
-Charlie Hebdo massacre
-Attempted terror plot on train (stopped by 3 Americans)
-Paris town square massacre last year
Yes, that's why we need to ban people...
100% Agreed mate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I second that notion.