I personally don't see what the issue is lol. She was portraying her fav character of the game. Not like she was insulting or provoking or whatever have you
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Twitch had banned this streamer, girl, for doing black face of a game character from Apex Legends. Do you agree with the ban?
I mean, you literally can't do anything nowadays without people crying "racism", "sexism" or "bigot" so I'm not really surprised. I still think she could have easily just cosplayed the girl without painting her face since I've seen many black girls who cosplayed white characters and didn't paint their face. And who knows, maybe she didn't even know what she was doing was going to hurt some sensitive people on the internet. Not everyone is educated on everything happening in the world.
It's not mocking a race, or even the character, it's the complete opposite, so I disagree with the ban, or with anyone that considers this offensive. It's not.
From 1958-1978, there was a show in the UK ran called "The Black and White Minstrel Show" where white people would paint themselves black to mock black people. It was supposed a "comedy" but there was nothing funny about it, it was extremely racist.
That picture, made me think of that show.
Now I don't know if it was intentionally or unintentionally offensive but she should have been more considerate and not painted herself black.
This was a guy doing Fresh Prince cosplay who was white he didn't give himself a black face:
This black girl was cosplaying snow white and she didn't give herself a white face:
This girl should have been more considerate of peoples feelings about this kind of thing.
She is swedish. She doesn't study UK history in depth. She didn't know this shite. Hell i didn't know it. Sometimes painting your face makes it easier to distinguish who you are. You don't do hulk cosplay with no green paint.
Wowwwwwww thats discrimination. Often with characters there's also this thing that there are similar characters of other race. You can't change the fact that people who create characters take inspiration from characters created before.
So unless they take someone very well known, they will indeed not look like the character.
The offence of a loud offended minority of self-appointed inquisitioners has the same sort of flaws as the puritan bible-thumpers.
Should outraged Christians get to ban internet posts that mock christianity? Didn't think so.
Your personal feelings do not determine the morality of an action. If you think that they do, then your self-important arrogance should have you shunned by your friends.
Talk of the history of blackface serves only to show why some people are offended--a point which I already addressed as inconsequential.
To say that it demeans black people because of its history is wrong too, because it depends on how she is intending to do it.
Seems like she's cosplaying as a character because she LIKES the character--not mocking the character.
Just because you find out something you did yesterday has a racist history does not mean that you were suddenly morally wrong.
This whole blackface outrage is moral posturing to claim superiority on the virtue of being offended. You know you've met a person with few achievements if that's what they resort to in order to gain significance.
Although I think what she did was wrong, I don’t think she should’ve been banned.
I’m guessing she didn’t know it was wrong, because reading up on this apparently she’s from Lithuania. I don’t know anything about Lithuania, but I don’t think blackface was really a problem in that country. If she was from the U. S. it might be a different story, but to me it just seems like she was naive.
They should’ve just warned her not to do it again and left it at that. Also I believe she was only banned for 30 days, right?
Wait, what the fuck? People are getting triggered over this shit? Seriously, the world needs to chill the fuck out. Its a cosplay, and some people like to take it to the extreme. Just cause she went blackface. WHO gives a fuck. Racism will not fade, when people like this, keeps doing shit like this. Calling it out as a racist thing to do. That's what I'm taking from this. Is she racist now? Nope, just trying to cosplay. If I wanna cosplay fucking SHREK. I'm going to paint myself fucking ogre green. Otherwise, I will be some knock off ogre with skin disorder.
You can cosplay as a character from a different race and be tasteful about it (without having to go blackface). Painting yourself green is completely different because painting yourself green has no negative history or connotations behind it like going black face.
@WalmartFlipFlop If people trip on shit like this, racism will never end. Also APEX LEGENDS is a video game with fictional people and world. There's nothing better to do than to shame someone for doing something nowadays. fuck race and shit. We're fucking humans. That's how we should view one another, but nah race card hits home run like no tomorrow.
Things like black face goes against that philosophy though. Doing this just points it out and it causes people to feel like their noticing patterns that my not be there.
When it's for a character that is from a type of media like a game or movie or TV show then I fail to see why it should be a problem. The definition of dressing up as that character for on cosplay is that you admire and are a fan of the character... She is showing her interest and love for the character by going out of her way to go through the trouble of dressing up like the character.
I don't understand why people have such an issue with this. If I decided to dress up as Jackie Chan because I'm a big fan of Jackie Chan does that make me a racist? Racist for my appreciation and respect for another human being? Which happens to be of a different ethnicity. My black friend dressed as Cinderella, a French girl, and no one thought anything of it. It's appreciation of a character. That is it.
I'm know I'm going to be downvotes but whatever. Well I think banning her is a little extreme as a warning is more than to advise her not do it again. However ! A person's skin colour isn't a costume. I understand that a she wants to be accurate but there was no reason to try and paint her self that dark.
If she painted herself red or purple would it bother you even a little? Did you not see the movie white chick? Which by the way was a funny movie and no one cried about it
It sounds as though Twitch needs some rational people on its Trust & Safety team They are a gamer site yet they react extremely negatively when some one dressed to portray Lifeline, but they see it as her doing 'black face'. It would have looked even more odd if she had tried the portrayal with her natural skin tone. If they carry one like this they will have to do the same for anyone portraying a character from any of the games. She should have received a warning not an outright ban, somebody at Twitch is way to twitchy. But its funny how no one got their knickers in a knot when two black actors 'white faced' to portray white girls in the film of the same name - the only differences they are black, she's white, they did it for a film, she probably did it for a cos-play party.
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I'm very likely going to get backlash and a lot of thumb downs for this I am so confused white people get so much backlash for doing things like this but it is perfectly ok for people to do whiteface like you have a black actress playing Ariel whose character is white I just don't understand why it's okay for them to do whiteface but you can lose your job if you do black face even when there is no ill intent behind it
White face? I think you should look up what white face is. They are not making her do whiteface. She is performing Ariel in her natural skin tone which is brown. White people are upset just because it's not a white girl with red hair playing Ariel instead Disney got a black girl to do it. You really just misinterpret the whole thing.
No you're the idiot do your research. No where in any articles did it say that they were going to make chloe haley do white face to do Ariel. She is preforming her in her natural skin tone. White people are making a big issue cause black girl is casting as a fictional character. There are bigger issues in the world.
No bitch y'all are the one getting offended over everything. You guys were upset when Obama was elected because he is black. You guys got upset when Miss USA Miss teen and Miss America were selected and they were black. You guys are upset cause Disney cast a black female as the leading role in the Little Mermaid. I can keep going on too. I'm sorry to say this but the truth is the truth white people get upset and offended over the stupidest stuff cause we black people are on top and taking over. Before you know y'all will become the minority. So no you fuck off bitch.
@brebre234 lmao black people are not taking over. More and more black people and minorities are being chosen for various roles and positions and it’s been given the spotlight on social media and new channels.
Of course nowadays it’s easier for minorities to succeed in America.
But the media (especially the left media) emphasizes the success of black people and other minorities to get more views and approval from the young and dumb like yourself.
Disney is playing into that too by casting a black actress as Ariel.
There’s nothing wrong with all this. But the point is that the reason black people seem to be taking over is because of the push from media to make it appear that way.
They are doing better than they were 100 years ago but they are not taking over.
Learn to not believe everything you see on the internet.
@BrookieCookie0422 Facts is Facts by 2045 Whites will be the minority. And if you look it up more black people are on the rise when it comes to career paths such as business, doctors, lawyers (like myself) engineers etc. Facts is facts. I also think its pretty stereotypical how you automatically associated me with the democratic party. That's pretty ignorant of you all black people are not Democrats. You got some who are independent or Republican etc. So you dont know which side I'm associated with. I don't believe the media in everything but statiscally it shows.🤷🏽♀️
@brebre234 where did I say you are democratic? I didn’t assume anything about you other than the fact that you haven’t fully looked into everything you see.
Also I’d love you to send me links to where you got your information.
And I know not all black people are democratic. All the black people I personally know are democratic. But I have seen a few black republicans/conservatives online and on tv. Like Candace Owens.
So based on personal experience, (like real life experience), I could argue that all black people are democratic, but I know that’s not true.
@brebre234 years Dave chapelle did white face comedy skits on his show. He played a news reporter who was real uptight, humorless, dull and vanilla (no pun intended).
And no one gave a SHIT. I laughed at his skit and I’m very white.
Yes blackface had a horrible past 100 years ago but no sane white person is going to intentionally dress like that to mock black people without getting lynched nowadays.
by the way only a tiny, isolated percentage of white people tweeted about being pissed off Ariel being black. But the woke left took that and ran with it in an effort to smear ALL OF US.
This insane Marxism is going is creating a very dangerous environment. You think Trump getting elected was bad? You continue with this bullshit and he will get re-elected.
@sonnysunshine that’s the damn truth. It’s like they’re all in denial about it!
They encourage segregation with their actions. Ending segregation is one of our countries biggest milestones in regards to racial issues, after the abolishment of slavery.
@sonnysunshine the biggest issue I have with this black face argument is that these guys are saying black face is wrong because of its previous usage. But white face is okay because it’s never been used badly.
What if white face is used in a disrespectful way? Would it be bad then?
Times change and the meaning of things evolve. Our language and wording isn’t like what it used to be.
For example, the word retarded used to be solely a medical term used to describe mentally retarded people.
Now it’s used as an insult but it’s also offensive if you say it while around, or to, someone who is mentally challenged.
So the term wasn’t offensive until the meaning and usage changed with modern times.
I don’t see why this can’t happen with something like black face. To get past racism, we need to get past the past.
@BrookieCookie0422 the demand for racism is now greater then the supply. Just ask Jussie Smollett
These people are searching for the bogey man because most of them are losers in their own lives. It gives them a sense of relevance if they can find something to bitch about. It’s a cop out and it’s pathetic.
The best thing you can do is NOT support anything that panders to the left. Dont buy their merchandise. Don’t but their movie tickets.
I don't know her at all - My first question would be how aware she is of potential fallout - It could range from blissful ignorance to I will get loads of attention from this or stir a lot of shit/get name recognition - The platform's attitude do they react like this at lot, if it is common knowledge then presumably girl knew what she was doing - Unfortunately unless we get the whole truth, we will never know and it will fall into the grey area of many issues, it depends on your views how you interpret it
skin color should be treated like a style of clothing in this instance. Would she be disrespectful for dressing as a character who is African American?
A lot of women tan to make hem sleeves look darker or wear lighter foundation to make themselves lighter. Is this offensive to lighter or darker women?
This is silly. Unless she was mocking African Americans there is nothing wrong with this.
And even if she was, the issue wouldn’t be the black face- it’d be her actions.
Well put, I understand why people get upset when it’s a racial issue. But I don’t see something like this as a racial issue. She was dressing up as a video game character that happens to be black. In my opinion the real issue here is the message they’re sending by banning her for this. Because what I’m seeing is them saying this character somehow belongs to black people only and no one else can aspire to be like them.
@Wharvey98 Its not that the character belongs to black people only. It's okay to imitate a character without doing black face. For example a lot of white people are upset that Disney is casting a black women as Ariel in the little mermaid. I honestly dont see what the issue in that is. However at the same time you dont see Disney trying to put white face on her to imitate Ariel since she white. There is no excuse for what she did doing black face is mocking black people.
How is putting artificial tanner on your face offensive to black people? As for the Ariel thing, that’s Disney’s Intellectual property and they can do with it what they will. She wasn’t discriminating against black people, she wasn’t doing it to offend people. She did it to make herself more accurately appear as the character. What’s the problem with that? When people wear masks to make themselves look like a character. no one gets upset. If I were to dress as Hidan from Naruto Shippuden and put on his face paint no one would think anything of it. Why does it matter what the face paint makes you look like? It’s being used for the same purpose, to look like the person your dressing up as. I wouldn’t give a crap if someone who wasn’t white put on makeup to look like a white person. That exact thing is done in plays all the time, it’s called fitting the character. And you can bet if she had dressed up as the character and left herself white people would complain about her appropriating a character. There’s no winning because people will be offended either way.
Twitch is wrong... invoking a ban on her for that especially when their platform has been brought into existence by gamers. I understand being socially responsible but, we all need “understanding “ before such harsh measures did they ask her intent? Even if it was clear as day what it was intended for don’t let “ignorant based racism “ stop your growth as a company. Your core consumer are those who knows what she is doing.
I don't think she should have been banned, but... Cmon she really didn't need to paint herself darker just cause of that.. Its insensitive really.. She knows the climate today.. She could have just put ththe customer and whatever other style of the character on..
The reason people are usually offended by the blackface thing is because Hollywood used to do it all the time to avoid hiring actual black people. It became symbolic of the systemic racism in which nearly all of the US, since 1776, just plain refused to pay black people to do any work.
For something like this, though? I dunno. With the racial wage gap I suppose it is still a bit too soon, but I (a white man) don't really have a problem with it, myself.
No I do not agree with it, but I also think Twitch, game streaming, and esports as a whole are stupid and have made a lot of games not fun to play anymore because people take them too seriously, and they've gotten too commercialized.
It would be one thing if she was trying to make fun of a race of people. There is zero harm in cosplay.
It's also worth noting that you could easily make the argument that every character in that game is an offensive stereotype.
I think black face controversies are wildly overblown. Black face was purposely derogatory to make black people look stupid which I don’t think was the intention here. But on the flip side, why not just dress in the costume instead of doing the makeup. Like would I really need to wear black makeup to dress up as black panther, no. Would a black person have to wear white makeup to dress up as captain America, no. I think the makeup is over doing in my opinion but I have no problems with her costume. Nothing looks offensive or depicts black people as bad or stupid so I think the ban was unjustified.
I don't know Twitch and I don't know Apex Legends.
If she just did imitate an existing character in this legend, then there should not be a ban. However, if she made obvious fun of someone of even an entire ethnic group, then it is justified.
No, she should be allowed to do that. Black face as it pertained to American minstrel shows was very racist but in the international sense I don’t think it necessarily carries the same connotations. An international streaming service imposing a flat out ban like this over the American sense of outrage we culturally have about blackface doesn’t sit right with me.
Unless she was also acting with the cadence of a minstrel show and being racist as fuck with her words.
I agree with the ban. There's nothing wrong with her wanting to portray the character if she likes it, but she shouldn't do black face. She clearly doesn't know what's the problem with blackface.
if there is nothing wrong with portraying the character she likes, than there shouldn't be anything wrong trying to look as similar to the character as possible
It doesn't bother me. But i'm white so... I will say this i think this world is entirely too sensitive anymore. And when i say that what i mean is i don't think most people are outraged by things as much as they just want argue and create controversy where there is none.
Its the age of people getting offended over nothing. That said, twitch is a business and they know if all their triggered little heathens get mad and start watching fortnite streamers somewhere else, then thats not nothing when it comes to their wallets. Freedom of expression doesn't entitle anyone to use a businesses platform while doing it. Sucks but thats the only fair way to do it.
@Nadim171 Yes they would, but funny how you don't see black people doing that yet you see white people doing so. Blackface is racist, if she wanted to dress up as that character she didn't have to go paint her face.
Blackface is racist if it's done to make fun of black people, but if it's just to play the role of a black person it's not. Back at school we once painted our faces black to play the role of Africans in a play since we're all light skinned
I read that, but you see? Back then it was to Male fun of blacks. As for Halloween costumes it's just because for example, I want to dress as a black slave in Halloween, yet i am not black, so I need blackface. If a black wants to dress as George Washington for Halloween he will do white face yet I will be the one being attacked
I remember that my mom told me my grandpa used to work in the making of an old movie and all the actors weren't black and they needed slaves so they used shoe polishing black on their faces to look like slaves.
@Nadim171 Okay, first on all, who in their right mind would dress up as a slave, what the hell. You can dress up as a black character without doing blackface. You don't have to do blackface or whiteface to do some cosplay. It's racist. That's why people are mad, not because of the character she chose but because she did blackface, which is the issue.
Yeah, dressing up as a slave, even more having black face painted? that is a definite NO lol. Imagine dressing up as an Isis member on Halloween? yeah good luck with that one, i hope you survive.
If someone does whiteface I wouldn't be offended. I dont know why blacks always get More privellages. People dress like Asians and do makeup to look like Asians, arabs, Europeans, indiasn yet if you do that to blacks it's RaCiSt
I worked at a grocery store for a year and I had employees of many different races.
White people were more sensitive about talking about race. Whereas the black peoples would bring up race every change they got! In fact they’d even stereotype themselves!
All my black co-workers had Fanta and hot Cheetos at lunch 😂 like I’m not even joking! I’m not one to stereotype people. But they were doing it to themselves!
But that’s besides the point. I’m not trying to say that black peoples self-stereotyping behavior justifies people acting “racist”.
I’m saying that people are unfair about racism. Because what counts as racism nowadays, makes EVERYONE racist!!
I think racism should be described as a person verbally or physically threatening, targeting, or assaulting a person or group of people for their race.
I mean kkk members not girls wearing black face on the internet.
@Nadim171 lmao fr! It’s white liberals that call everyone racist all the time! When I hand out with people who are t white (especially men) they make racist jokes towards each other all the time! I don’t find it racist to joke about race. The best way to get past something is to joke about it.
But it is racially offensive, even if her intent wasn't bad. The history surrounding blackface is really ugly and there is a reason that sensitivities surrounding it are so high.
On twitch, as a girl streamer you can get away with murder as long as you don't displease the minorities. You can even show your vag. The worst you'll get is a 3 day suspension. You can also sell your underwear, your bath water, and watch porn on stream. But don't you dare darken your skin tone filthy white person.
for everyone saying that skin tone isn't a costume, would you dress up as the incredible hulk and not paint yourself green? or mystique not blue? the skin is definitely going to make the costume make sense.
HAHA IM NOT EVEN SURPRISED ANYMORE LOL TOO MANY OVERLYSENSITIVE PEOPLE NOWADAYS SMH WEAK AS FUCK, SHE DOESN’T EVEN DO THE BLACK FACE LOL SHE WAS C O S P L A Y I N G
Not sure. Does she really look like the character?
People in certain regions of the world don't think about how this comes off. Not an out but just a fact. But once they are aware then they need to stop.
Those examples are not on the same level as the picture in the question. Besides Ariana Grande is part italian so she is naturally olive toned. Not a person painting themselves "dark brown" for cosplay.
@Nayrr She purposely makes the black character uglier then the white character. She could have stylized herself in an attractive way by using a different shade of orange or a more uniform shade of black. She could have used a different poise and photographed her face at a different angle to make the dark skinned person beautiful and not an ugly version of the white one.
She looks spot on, I don't see the issue here. I don't know why this would make Africans look bad, Lifeline is a fictional character coming from the planet Psamathe. Kind of racist to assume she's African because of her skin color.
I just want to say sw? Is pretending to think i’m Racist because he is so full of hatred inside he tries to take it out on others. There is a guy from my high school whose made over 400 fake accounts on this site to stalk me and this guy is only level 3.
Why can't people cosplay as someone who has dark skin? Whats racist about that? There is no racist meaning behind this, why are people so against this? Just because she is white she can't dress a certain way, isn't that racist to state?
Not only was it not done with malicious intent, but she is not from a culture that would identify this as offensive. In America, blackface has a negative history, but not where she's from.
The bad thing with blackface was, that these actors portraied black people as idiots.
I dont understand, why blackfacing is considered bad, when you dont do that and instead portrait the character with honor and dignity. Makes no sense...
For the people disliking and saying it's for cos play etc. You can still dress up as that character without painting your face. I think its ignorant how she did this. Look up the history blackface people!
@Adam_INTJ The history of black face is still relevant especially in the U. S. Wrong is wrong she should not of done blackface. Whether its cosplay or not. If it was a black person doing white face for cos play or whatever they would be under scrutiny cause white people would feel that they are being made fun of. It's the truth🤷🏽♀️
@Adam_INTJ Okay just because I give an opinion does not mean I'm god. I'm an expert in logic I'll a philosophy minor and will be attending law school next year. Ethically it's wrong. Morally ( depending on how the person was raised this could vary) but in my opinion it's wrong. And who are you to say that my opinion doesn't matter? But yours matter?
@_Jay_ Do your research Michael Jackson had vitiligo. When Michael Jackson died the doctor examined him and confirmed he had vitiligo which is a skin condition that make skin turn white. Just because I give an opinion does not mean I'm bitchy an opinion is an opinion.
@brebre234 if you're a philosophy minor you should know that morality, if subjective/determined by opinion, cannot logically be enforced on other people as they can have their own subjective view. Yet also, you should know that morality is not objective, as demonstrated by David Hume's Fact-Value dichotomy.
The end result is that you can come to a conclusion that while blackface is morally wrong TO YOU, and some others, you have no place enforcing that over someone else's subjective view of blackface.
You do not hold this position, so it tells me that you are either lacking in your ability to use logic, or that you lack background with philosophy
@Adam_INTJ But my opinion holds the position and opinion is an opinion and I'm just expressing why I feel that way. Which I have a right to. I'm not lacking in anything boo-boo because it seems like you are the one affected by my opinion. You were the first to comment under my opinion and saying history is irrelevant. All I did was responded back to it and expressed why I disagreed.🤷🏽♀️🙄
I mean black people mostly sold their own families to be slaves so I think that's why making jokes about black people is still funny. That's why black face was funny to those people. But now its not. It's not even black face. As it is not ridiculing black people.
@brebre234 then "she should have been banned. No reason to blackface" shouldn't have been in your comment as the former Is a claim of moral absolutism while the latter is a claim a fact--both false.
@InTimoreDei Oh so since because I'm black you assuming I didn't study the topic in school? You're mighty narrow minded. To me it seem like he didn't study anything.
Most of us are assuming you didn't study the topic because you clearly didn't understand it. Idc if you're black but if you're stupid then I don't know mate. Sounds pretty shitty to me.
@_Jay_ No I do understand it. he's the one whose stupid because I have a right to my fucking opinion. he's the one who came under my comment first and disagreed and all I did is respond. Then he had a nerve to basically tell me how I have no right to an opinion. To me blackface is wrong and I'm just expressing my opinion why it's wrong. 2. I'm not stupid because apparently I'm at the top of my class rn and will be attending one of the top law schools next year. So 🤷🏽♀️
@brebre234 Ummm... where did I say anything about race? I didn't even know you're black. Don't bring up race when it wasn't even part of the discussion.
@InTimoreDei um race is involved in the discussion this. Plus your reason is flawed just because someone mentioned one book about philosophy does not mean they are an so call expert in philosophy and the studied it just from reading "a book" anyway imma end this discussion here cause I got better shit to do than sit here and argue with people who are very narrow-minded. Have a nice day.
@brebre234 trouble is, you're contradicting yourself in magnificent fashion in regard to the right to an opinion.
You're asserting that you should be able to hold your opinion, though not rooted in any logic, while this cosplayer is not entitled to her opinion on blackface, and instead should have your opinion forced on her via banning her.
By that logic, you should be able to "have your opinion" as I ban you from G@G for disagreeing with my opinion.
@brebre334 your arrogance is truly offputting. You are raising yourself as an "expert" based on nothing more than a minor.
That's committing both the personal incredulity and the appeal to authority fallacies at once.
You'll learn in law school that an expert without facts or data does not constitute a good argument and that your personal experience in a topic does not form a valid point either.
Your expertise in a topic should only serve as a background skill that assist you to navigate to facts, find relevant data, and guide your audience to your conclusion.
Expertise is only valuble as a vehicle through which to find facts.
I don't claim to have expertise in the topic, but I do have a limited set of relevant facts which form my argument.
It is up to you to either point out why my facts do not lead to the conclusion which I have proposed, or to present other facts and deductive arguments which oppose my argument.
@Porcelaine Yeah, she might not have known the history, but other people have also caught hell for wearing blackface. She had to know it was a sensitivity even if she didn't know why.
I mean, it's their platform. They can do what they want. I didn't think it was that bad but if Twitch don't want it on their platform then they're well within their rights to ban her.
No. It's more of that American race bullshit. Bcs putting black paint on your face is not racist. The world would be better if people weren't such sensitive pussies
No that's stupid. Some people do black face to make fun of black people which is another thing... but this girl was just dressing as her favourite character from the game.
From the looks of it I think she had no intention of doing something racist . Also the face looks more like she is covered in ash rather than a black person's face so I really think it was unintentional
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