Scientists, Biologists, Geneticists, etc., what do you think about mRNAs?

[AmandaYVR]

I know just a little about them. It's an extremely complex subject. I'm very concerned. I've read that they are hormone, metabolic, and neurologic disruptors. And I'm sure there's more.
I've heard doctors and researchers advising to avoid them as much as possible.
However, desperate times call for desperate measures. Economies are collapsing, millions dying. So it certainly lends credence to their use.

I'm not an alarmist, nor a conspiracy theorist. I'm interested in science.
Do any of you know things about them, on a molecular level... things we should know?
I'd appreciate any concrete info. I'm sure many would.

____

P. S.
Do not buy online DNA ancestry tests. You are the real product.
I don't know about you, but I don't appreciate being the product. It's a price we pay for all this free entertainment and media, yes, but there are limits to what I will knowingly give away.
Talk about identity theft. Sheesh.
"How valuable is your DNA? Well, pharma company GlaxoSmithKline signed a $300 million deal with DNA test company 23andme this year, for access to those databases. A medtech company owned by Alphabet, the parent company of Google, has a major deal to get DNA data from ancestry. com."
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/don-t-buy-online-dna-ancestry-tests-you-are-the-real-product-1.3713619

Updates

+1 y

Regardless of your political affiliations I'd recommend giving these a watch:
(They don't say much about mRNAs but they are about the virus.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGWLLDSA3c

How Coronavirus Began and How You Can Stem the Tide of Infection ↗

[genuinlysensitive]

I am not a scientist, and I seriously doubt that most, if not all of the people responding to this are, or even personally know scientists in the field of mRNA, epidemiology, or virology. But I do know that scientists who don't have the "right" opinion are being censored. I will show you videos, and arctiles from scientists who are.

While I don't believe mRNA is bad in itself, it is new. The question is about the specific mRNAs in the vaccines governments, corporations and schools are trying to force and coerce people to take.

Luc Montangnier Nobel Laurette, and discoverer of HIV:

https://rairfoundation.com/nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier-warns-covid-vaccine-may-lead-to-neurodegenerative-illness-video/

Michael Yeadon former VP for Pfizer, and Wolfgang Wudarg, MD and former medical advisor to the EU:

https://archive.org/details/syncytin-1-infertility-wodarg-yeadon-ema-petition-pfizer-trial-final-01-dec-2020/page/n4/mode/2up

Dr. Robert Malone the scientist who actually discovered that mRNA can be used in vaccine applications:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/5/biden-teams-misguided-and-deadly-covid-19-vaccine-/

https://rumble.com/vjywck-dr-robert-malones-comments-the-current-covid-crisis-july-17-2021-.-newsvoic.html
https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

https://justthenews.com/accountability/cancel-culture/first-twitter-now-linkedin-harvard-med-school-professor-censored

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny: This one is really good for a basic understanding of how the mRNA vaccine "hijacks the bound ribozomes" in your cells to produce the "Sprotien."

https://rumble.com/vef1kh-dr-tenpenny-expains-in-simple-terms-some-of-the-dangers-of-the-covid-19-vac.html

Dr. Peter McCollough:

https://banthis.tv/watch?id=60e6260536819249dd27cd04

It is also an international phenomenon:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-medical-chief-appalled-by-dr-anne-mccloskeys-anti-vaccine-video-as-derry-gp-suspended-40784082.html

This isn't science! Anyone without the "right" opinion, even accredited scientists, doctors, and experts are labeled "anti-vaxers" and are shuned and censored. I don't know if these scientists and experts are right, but I know it's not science to censor people with the "wrong" opinion, especially when they are experts! There are many more scientists and studies that are being censored and repressed!

One interesting point. You mentioned DNA ancetry tests, specifically 23andMe, and you are right about them, you are the real product. Anne Wojcicki, sister of Susan Wojcicki and Ex-wife of Google guy Sergey Brin, cofounded 23andMe.

[Qdbrown]

They seem to know how to play with the narrative. Right now any prominate scientist who had proof is real dangers of the vaccine would be removed from the community, regardless what evidence they had. The movement is too big, to afraid that any naysayers would cause problems.

[AmandaYVR]

Hi gs,
I just want to say thank you for putting in the time of collecting and posting all of these links. It was a bit overwhelming, honestly. I haven't had the chance to go through them all yet, but I wanted to say thanks for doing this. It did not go unnoticed or unappreciated. 👍

[Lliam]

Economies are collapsing because of the political measures that are being used to contain a flu virus. What began as three weeks to flatten the curve (based on projections that didn't materialize) turned into a program to dehumanize people and destroy livelihoods.

I don't believe that "millions" are dying from covid. And most of those who did die could have been saved with the safe and effective treatments that were barred in order to push the dishonest idea that the jab was the only available treatment. If other treatments had been admitted, it would have been illegal to grant emergency use authorizations.

All I know about mRNA treatment is what I have learned from dozens of the foremost scientific experts in the world. Unfortunately, any information that doesn't conform to the desired narrative is subjected to the greatest censorship efforts. Honest, ethical experts are blocked, banned, mocked, slandered, threatened and punished. For what, practicing science? Taking the Hippocratic oath seriously? Placing human life over income?

[Smoke-n-Growls]

mNRA is not a new technology.
It has been researched for ten years and this was simply the first approved use of it.

https://www. mayoclinic. org/mrna-vaccines-immunity/vid-20507649

They are not disruptors. They literally die quickly.

You say you're not alarmist or a conspiracy theorist, and yet where do you find your proof and how do you word your question? Your actions prove otherwise.

You said you "read" about this - from where? What's your source? Link it.

[AmandaYVR]

That's unnecessarily hostile. But what should I expect from someone who chooses "Growls" in their name.

I cannot cite the sources this time, as I often do, because covid has been going on for almost two years now and I have watched various interviews with doctors and geneticists over that period of time, the best one in March of 2020, from a husband and wife who wrote a book about it (but I can't remember any of the names.) I have been reading medical papers on mRNAs but they are extremely in-depth and intended for those within the industry.

They ARE disruptors.
They replicate naturally occurring cells in the body. That doesn't mean they are harmless.
Genetic modification is a burgeoning field. It will become more and more common in the future. I am well aware that it has been researched for many years. Nowhere did I say it was 'new.'

You basically added nothing to the topic, so thanks for nothing.

[Aimée__LJ]

Anything you need to know about the safety of mRNA is available online. There's really nothing to be concerned about. Side effects are all normal for a vaccine.

[Jamie05rhs]

So share that information with us, Aimee. That is why she was asking the question.

[Aimée__LJ]

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/.../s13037-021-00291-9

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243 (this one also cites a bunch of studies for mRNA)

www.who.int/.../09-07-2021-gacvs-guidance-myocarditis-pericarditis-covid-19-mrna-vaccines

[Jamie05rhs]

Thanks!

[Friendlybro79]

Here's more

www.healthychildren.org/.../...ne-Parent-FAQs.aspx

www.health.harvard.edu/.../why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

[Lliam]

A bunch of articles claiming the safety of the jab. Do you think they are doing to admit that people who receive the jab are GMOs? Even the claims of safety are belied by all the deaths and injuries.

But what about the fact that engineered, non-human RNA is designed to program a person's cells to manufacture spike proteins. Human cells don't normally do that. It may or may not change the actual DNA, but it changes your body and disrupts your immune system.

More than once, I've seen people hold a cell phone up to the body of a person who has received the jab, and an ID number pops up on the cell phone. Why would your body transmit information like that?
At that point, you are a patented product. Not fully human.

[Lliam]

The manufactures have called the jab "gene therapy". Some have referred to them as similar to computer updates, except they are "updating" the human body. They reprogram your immune system. That's not how traditional vaccines work.
This is eugenics - creating a better humanoid through science. Except it's not working out that way.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam all it's doing is teaching your immune system what spike proteins are and how to kill them. Then your immune system remembers that and the vaccine is naturally destroyed by your body. The same thing would happen if you got covid except the vaccine isn't going to make you sick or die.
Please do some reading, if you read anything about covid you should always do your due diligence and look up for yourself if that information is credible. Don't just blindly trust everything you see.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I'm not worried. This is the next step of our medical evolution, they need samples to make more informed decisions which means medicine I get in the future will be better tested against more possible unforseen outcomes.

Scientific Method is applied in medicine and it's one of the few institutions that maintains a ethical and professional protocol and methodology. I don't know much about mRNA's specifically, but I comprehend the concept and it makes a lot of sense. The rest is genetic math, and I'll leave that to the professionals.

All too often because of the internet and speed at which information travels now, people are gaslight by what-if's and questioning authority at every step. A lot of it is deserved, so that doesn't help, but at the end of the day, there are experts in their scientific and medical fields and trying to force them to constantly defend themselves pulls them from their work and jeopardizes more positive outcomes.

I do encourage people to do their homework, but to many people that means using google to confirm their fears.

[Qdbrown]

I get what you say, but at the same time people are now being forced by the government if working for the government, employer mandates and insurance fines if not ready to take the vaccine they are not comfortable with and has never been used, brought to market in lightening speed, and with short test windows.

It's also troubling that people are not able to vet, rebuke or fear the virus publicly because to do so makes them essentially mass murderers in the eyes of so many. You're a bad person in a free country if you don't hurry down and get something you fear, and most should have some concern never ever in human history ever tested on humans, from a virus that has a less than a 3% mortality rate, with seasonal flu in the neighborhood nof about 1.4% in mortality to just compare mortality rates.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

@Qdbrown Vaccines have been mandatory for the majority of people all our lives. I trust experts over internet meme's and newscasters literally screaming and playing the "what if" games. Think about it, most of the "questions" on the vaccine, election results, climate change, etc.. are based on "what if" followed by some kind of menacing story of what-about-ism land. Some people, that's all they see online, and don't know any different, but the actual experts in their fields are the ones we should listen to, not the armchair quarterbacks using memes to preach irrational doomsday scenarios.

[Lliam]

If scientific method was being applied to covid, top global experts in the field whose findings conflict with the desired narrative wouldn't be so robustly silenced. To do so is anti-science.

[LukeLugh]

I may be under credentialed to give a definitive answer, but I will still try nevertheless.
I believe all vaccines to be obsolete for methodological point of view. Vaccines look to stimulate the immune system (immunization) in an attempt to familiarize it with the virus-hence why there is no vaccine which promises protection from all potential infections because that is the job of natural immunity. Vaccines promise to protect you from a specific threat whereas natural immunity protects you from all threats. The Mount Sinai Institute of Pharmacological Sciences found that the cells repair themselves 100,000 times per day.

Those in favor of vaccines (such as Canada's Dr. Edgar Hodgkinson) have been scathingly critical of Covid mandates and the dangers associated with this prematurely developed "vaccine". Once particular danger associated with it has been blood clots and myocarditis.

[AmandaYVR]

Well said!

[LukeLugh]

:)))

[Caunsos]

mRNA is RNA molecule being used to instruct the construction of protiens in a cell. Our bodies naturally use mRNA all the time. Like literally all the the time, like even right now it useing it. The proteins the RNA codes server all kinds of functions. However with the mRNA vaccines they code for the protien structure on the covid-19 uses to attach to cells. You immune system see them as a foreign body and figure out how to desolve it, that way if you catch it you immune can go straight to effectively castrating covid-19.

[AmandaYVR]

That was interesting. But, honestly, there were so many typos and grammatical issues, I found it difficult to read and understand. I've re-written it. Now it makes more sense, I think.
Thank you for your comment.

mRNA is an RNA molecule being used to instruct the construction of proteins in a cell.
Our bodies naturally use mRNA all the time.
The proteins the RNA codes serve all kinds of functions.
However, the mRNA vaccines code for the protein structure the covid-19 uses to attach to cells.
Your immune system sees them as a foreign body and figures out how to dissolve them.
That way, if you catch it, your immune system can go straight to effectively castrating covid-19.

[Lliam]

I also read that the mRNA jab trains your immune system to primarily recognize C-19. Therefore, other viruses might slip past your immune system.
Also, if you come in contact with C-19 after receiving the jab and manufacturing C-19 spike proteins, your immune system can think that you body is completely overwhelmed by C-19 and over react, causing a deadly cytokine storm. Your body essentially goes to war with itself.

Our immune systems are elegant and complex. Using mad science to permanently reprogram our cells and immune systems is hubristic.

[Caunsos]

@liam first of yes our immune system dose kinda have scorched earth policy when dealing with infections.
Second this not mad science or reprogramming or permanent. It using the well understood natural organic chemistry in our cells to add in preventing the spread of covid-19. The mRNA is not self replicating.
Also if you meant it was permanent reprogramming of the immune by how it learn to target the protein structure. That just how you immune system always works. You immune system creates memory cells for all infections you get in order to act faster if you get reinfected with the same thing agian. This isn't jurassic park. We understand what things code for before fucking with them.

[Lliam]

That's not what people like the former CEO of Pfizer or some of the world's foremost experts in virology, cellular biology, epidemiology, etc. have to say about this mystery serum (not a vaccine).

[Caunsos]

@Lliam can name these individuals and tell me what they are disagreeing with my layman's explanation of the mechanics of RNA , immune system, and vaccines works.

Also i noticed in your first reply you said " I also read that the mRNA jab trains your to primarily recognize C-10. There, other viruses might slip past your immune system." Who ever wrote that is clearly lacking understanding of the immune system.

When something enter you body that shouldn't be there, be it virus, bacteria, debris like dirt or wood, or in some cases pollen, you immune system goes that not on my white list (things that are allowed to be in the body) and sounds an alarm. It beings to attack the foreign body and compare it to a blacklist of past infections. If on the blacklist it deploy spealized counter measures for that particular foreign body. If not the blacklist it beings to develop those spealized counter measures. Thats why most people will only have the chicken poxs once in their life.

[exitseven]

My son is a scientist that works with viruses. He worked with the Zika virus recently. He explained than mRNA does not re-program anybody's DNA. Previously vaccines used weakened versions of a virus to cause an immune response. mRNA instructs your body to create protein that will trigger that same immune response. It in no way enters your cells.

[Juxtapose]

Where is the worry coming from?

Is the recently approved Covid vaccine as safe as a small pox vaccine?

[Friendlybro79]

@exitseven Thankful for your son. I have a friend who is a scientist and she is at her wits end with the misinformation.

[Neosporin]

I am a science researcher. My understanding of mRNA is that it’s the cell’s transcript of DNA that gets translated into protein. It is 100% natural and ubiquitous to all life since almost the beginning of life.

Leftover mRNA gets quickly degraded by cells and don’t stay around to do extra damagex

[Soteris]

Disclaimer: I am not an expert in this field or a scientist. I do however listen to a lot of scientists and have a basic understanding of how these things works.

First of all, mRNA vaccines are 50 years in the making. They are about as tried and tested as anything ever gets in medicine. They are also deceptively simple.

The Pfizer vaccine as an example contain these parts:
1: mRNA (obviously), this is like a floating blueprint to produce a protein. Completely natural and is not bad for the body and is quickly destroyed after its done its job.
2: Lipids, basically a nano-particle of fat that you can stick the mRNA inside of to make it easier to enter cells. Nothing to worry about.
3: Salt, to balance the PH value of your body to the vaccine. No problem.
4: Sugar, helps protect the vaccine when frozen.

Nothing scary inside of it.

[TangBang69]

We, the general public now know 5g radiowave technology because it was declassified from being top secret & has been around since the 70's as a bioweapon experimentation program that does just that, attacks the body & dna on the molecular level. Funny how when it was declassified, so was the documentation that became public record that mentioned coronavirus as a possible side effect. The human consciousness operates on a frequency within the electromagnetic energy field that allows wireless signals to travel through the atmosphere. %g is borderlining interference with that frequency.

[abc3643]

The COVID-19 vaccines are messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines which are a relatively new class of vaccines for COVID-19 and ___other___ diseases as well. If you got a flu shot, you got an mRNA vaccine already.

The CDC explains how messenger RNA vaccines work.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

[abc3643]

This from the FDA may also help...
Vaccine Development – 101
www.fda.gov/.../vaccine-development-101

[EssenceOfLight]

mRNA could be a mighty weapon against viruses, however 2016 studies confirmed mRNA technology isn't reliable enough for bigger human test. Suddenly 2021 it's okay to use it for everyone on this planet. I don't believe in such huge scientific breakthroughs. The risk your T-cell turn into enemies of your body or turn into never dying zombie cells is still there due possible errors in RNA fragments injection.

Mitochondrial DNA science is fascinating. It provided more evidences about our past in one decade than hundred years archeological research.

[genericname85]

If it was oh so safe, then why was that principle never before admitted for humans? I mean it's not "new". There must be a reason it was never allowed for humans before.

[Anonymous]

I am a scientist , I can tell you confidently that mRNA vaccine is 100% secure. Doctors aren't nearly smart as scientists. They just follow guidelines written by scientists. They don't study biological sciences that much deep. Study of mRNA dates back to almost 100 years now. No need to panic because of few hoaxes by some stupid people. Some people can get allergic reactions or little problems but those are distinct cases not subjected to fault of mRNA research.

[Qdbrown]

You gotta love the idea that this technology has been around for more than a 100 years, but never used on humans before now, with a lot of early failures on lab animals. Of course this is a far more stable version with many technologies employed, but to say normal and safe for a 100 years not entirely accurate either.

[Friendlybro79]

I'm not a scientist and since your question is asking for them to reply, I will refrain from adding my two cents.

Would you mind sharing where you've heard the doctors and researchers saying to avoid mrna vaccines? I'm just curious and no judging. If you don't feel like sharing its cool. Have a good day.

[Friendlybro79]

I added a few links after hearing some conspiracy theories in here giving background to mrna and the history. I hope it's useful for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Economies are collapsing because elites want them to collapse... they also want to poke you with this vaccine that will eventually sterilize and or kill you. Imagine in 10 years when we find out girls who got the vaccine experience 5x more miscarriages and inferitility😂.

Millions of people are unhealthy, obviously, anyone who's healthy has practically no chance of dying from any contagion. This ain't the black death nor is it aids.

[Aimée__LJ]

Vaccines don't stay in your system that long... They're flushed out within weeks. There has never been a side effect from a vaccine found more than 8 weeks after injection. This is the kind of things that medication you take daily causes.

[Opinion Owner]

@Aimée__LJ thats the hypothesis, you're the experiment

[Opinion Owner]

@Aimée__LJ bill gates is a eugenicist

[Aimée__LJ]

Not a hypothesis. Its fact...

[Opinion Owner]

@Aimée__LJ bill gates wants to kill you

[Aimée__LJ]

Sure buddy...

[Opinion Owner]

Do your research

[Opinion Owner]

Start with Galton 1869

[Aimée__LJ]

I've read scientists research... Which is what you should do

[Opinion Owner]

You haven't read what the agenda of the elites is

[Opinion Owner]

What are you going to do when gates releases the second virus in the next couple of years? Take 3 more shots? Plus the boosters for your covid19 shots? Enjoy your brain damage and sterilization

[Opinion Owner]

What this mrna shot does is program your body to have an immune response to covid19. What you werent told is that it also programs an immune response to fertilized eggs

[Aimée__LJ]

You can't just say you have a low IQ you don't have to say all this conspiracy shit.

[Opinion Owner]

Galton 1869 is a conspiracy? Hitler is a conspiracy? Gates being a eugenicist is a conspiracy? Its on the record

[Friendlybro79]

That's not true.

[Friendlybro79]

That is not true regarding how mrna vaccines for the person who was spewing conspiracies. My apologies if that was not clear. Thank you for the folks that are getting the real message that the vaccines are safe.

[genuinlysensitive]

So anyone who disagrees is a "conspiracy theorist?" Or maybe "Anti-X"? Maybe also, "Racist, sexist and some kind of phobic?' Yes I do believe that is part of the Scientific Method :p

[Aimée__LJ]

@genuinlysensitive you can't disagree with facts. You just look stupid.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. New technology - modify the human gnome. Turn humans into GMOs. What could possibly go wrong?

[Friendlybro79]

@Aimée__LJ these people are completely insane. Block them all so they can get more paranoid they are being censured lol.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam the fuck you talking about 😂😂😂

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ, do you know what GMO means?

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam of course I do. I also know its physically impossible for a vaccine to modify your genes. Did you know that?

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ, Oh, you know that for a fact, do you? LOL

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam sure do. DNA is double stranded. mRNA is a single stranded copy and cannot go into the nucleus where your DNA is.

[genuinlysensitive]

Really it cannot? Because MIT and Harvard scientists seem to disagree with you.

"To experimentally corroborate the possibility of viral retro-integration, we describe evidence that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells by reverse transcriptase (RT) from LINE-1 elements or by HIV-1 RT, and that these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/

But it isn't about facts and following the science and experts. It is about ingorant people in positions of power claiming "I DECIDE what is fact" and censoring anything to the contrary, while mandating medical decisions.

[Aimée__LJ]

@genuinlysensitive this doesn't prove anything I said wrong. Also that study isn't peer reviewed.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. Who are the gatekeepers for peer reviews? Big money.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam do you not understand what peer reviewed means? If a study or in that case a seemingly yet to be studied article isn't peer reviewed it means nobody else in the field has read it and fact checked it (basically).

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. That's not how it works.

A group of scientists completes a study and writes it up in the form of an article. They submit it to a journal for publication. (Who is in charge of the journal?)

The journal's editors send the article to several other scientists who work in the same field (i. e., the "peers" of peer review). (Who chooses which scientists?)

Those reviewers provide feedback on the article and tell the editor whether or not they think the study is of high enough quality to be published.

The authors may then revise their article and resubmit it "for consideration".

Only articles that meet good scientific standards (e. g., acknowledge and build upon other work in the field, rely on logical reasoning and well-designed studies, back up claims with evidence, etc.) are accepted for publication. (What if the articles meet good scientific standards but go against popular opinion?)

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam there is no agenda when peer reviewing it's solely based on wether the article holds true. So it doesn't really matter who chooses the scientists.

Just kinda seems like you're trying to come up with any excuse not to trust literal scientists which makes you look a little silly. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. Oh, no. There are no agendas. Nobody's bought and paid for. "Science" is completely unbiased. LOL LMAO

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam if someone was incorrect in science it would easily be disproven.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. It has been disproven by the scores of the most eminent scientists on the planet. Unfortunately the extremely wealthy and powerful forces claiming to support "the science" don't believe in actual scientific research, inquiry and debate, because they mounted every possible means to ban, block, censor, mock, slander and threaten scientists who findings inconveniently run counter to the desired narrative.

Fortunately there are ethical scientists who actually care more about human health and the Hippocratic oath more than their incomes. They are doing everything possible to share their findings with the world.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam I've never seen one article that "debunks" anything about covid or the vaccines that hasn't been debunked itself.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. Of course you haven't. A Creationist never saw a scientific paper that debunked their beliefs, either.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam you're really going there? Science doesn't use absence of evidence. It uses hard evidence. There not being evidence to support a claim doesn't mean there just isn't any evidence it means all the evidence they do have doesn't support the claim.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. It's convenient to some people's thinking to ignore evidence and claim that is absence of evidence.

[Aimée__LJ]

Alright what hard evidence is there for creationism? That hasn't already been debunked.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. Creationists don't think their beliefs have been debunked. And Branch Covidians will never accept any hard evidence that debunks their own beliefs. (They don't have informed opinions, they have dogmatic beliefs that are based on what their majestic ministers tell them. And is is blasphemy to even think of asking questions.)

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam so in short you don't have anything?

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. In short, you wouldn't be capable of dispassionately assessing anything that conflicted with your dogma.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam I'm capable of being unbias. I researched Christianity a lot, growing up christian it's perhaps the worst thing you can do as the more you look into it the more the stories fall apart 😊

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. Same with the covid narrative. Try it.
Some of the most highly credentialed scientists in the world, not to mention thousands of physicians and medical professionals are speaking out. These are not anti-vax, conspiracy theorists. Why is there such an effort to censor and discredit them? Follow the money.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam thousands? Last i checked there was like 20. Most people speaking out aren't even medical professionals. They're people with doctorates who are misusing their title to try gain peoples trust. Having a doctorate doesn't make you a medical professional.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. You obviously lack resources. And simply relying on Google for searches won't help you.

You're cracking me up. You are 1000% certain that you have all the information there is to know. You're actually fanatical about it.
It's amazing how people who know the least are the most certain in their beliefs.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam no. I just search the relevant information and yeah you can find most info on Google. Pretty accurate too. I highly doubt you use anything else when you're looking for Info.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. LOL Okay. :-)

[AmandaYVR]

This game, set, and match, goes to Lliam.
Sorry, Aimee, you are woefully ignorant and naive about how all this works. Your idealism is charming... but wrong.

I knew/know people who worked in labs, and there is MASSIVE manipulation, fudging, and cronyism in the field. And that's just for starters, before we get universities, governments, and the publishing fields involved.

[Aimée__LJ]

Sweetie it wasn't a game or a competition. I stated nothing but facts. Not my problem y'all too stupid.

[AmandaYVR]

@Aimée__LJ You're right, it's not. Perhaps poor choice of words on my part.
Anyway, for good and for bad, social media is about airing opinions. Now we all know where we stand on this one.
I'm definitely with Lliam.

[ChrisMaster69]

@AmandaYVR hopefully no one lets you be an umpire as your result is exceptionally questionable and fixed.

What both @Smoke-n-Growls and @Aimée__LJ @exitseven have said is spot on.

The worlds scientists learned a lot over last year or so and continue to learn.

Which some on this question are blatantly not capable of.

[Lliam]

@ChrisMaster69. "The world's scientists". LOL You mean the scientists who are promoted, and whose views are allowed to be aired. It's like only allowing scientists who claim that smoking tobacco is healthy for pregnant women to speak.

What mainstream media consumers fail to realize is that the scientific community is not of one mind. Actual science requires all research to be considered and all voices to be heard and debated.

In point of fact, there is a concerted effort to silence even the most foremost scientific experts in the world if their findings conflict with the desired narrative.

[AmandaYVR]

@ChrisMaster69
The term 'blind faith' comes to mind.
It is the exact reason why I titled this question as I did. I'm not interested in faith. I want facts.
And different people receive, acquire, experience, different information.
Heresay is of no value.

I read everyone's comments. And just like life, the more credible that person has been, based on their activity and comments and behaviour here, the more weighted their opinion and comments will be; whether I find it suspicious or disagreeable or not.

You can deride me for 'being an umpire' but I created the discussion. I'm certainly within my rights to weigh in on anything that it said.

[Aimée__LJ]

You only agree because your morals align with his over mine. Very narrow way to view the world, but that is your choice.

[AmandaYVR]

@Aimée__LJ And alignment of morals is a poor way to navigate the world and form relationships? That's bizarre.

I am the opposite of narrow-minded, actually. I can't even count the number of people on GAG who have told me "You are the most openminded person I have ever met."

[Aimée__LJ]

Yeah exactly, I care about people dying and will do whatever I can in my power to help prevent that and you, seemingly don't care to do anything but aid the spread of bullshit conspiracies 🤷🏼‍♀️

[ChrisMaster69]

While you both align with your reasoning have your own research in to Robert F. Kennedy Jr and Andrew Wakefield.

I won’t mention anything that may influence you.

However look in to both, especially with names together before January 2020.

[AmandaYVR]

@Aimée__LJ Yep, like I said, ignorant.

@chrismaster69 I'm open to reading stuff, but I've got too much to do to spend time digging for something vague that I don't even know is of value. It was the point of this q, for people to post what they know, to share information.

[ChrisMaster69]

Seriously just Google both names.

One is a disgraced ex UK Doctor, responsible for killing Americans.

I guess that is of zero interest

[Aimée__LJ]

You are the one ignoring facts... That's ignorance at it's finest.

[Aimée__LJ]

I'd like you add you said this "The term 'blind faith' comes to mind.
It is the exact reason why I titled this question as I did. I'm not interested in faith. I want facts." And agreed with the person using creationism as an argument... I don't think you want facts.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. That's exactly what I'd say about you. You don't even see the irony of your accusations.
Resolute adherence to the manufactured narrative, and refusal to consider any information that conflicts with it is a sign of deep mind control. You have absolutely no idea what powerful forces behind the propaganda, or of their agenda.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam as I said to you I do actually look up information. If anyone says something I look it up. Just because I come back and say it's wrong doesn't mean I refuse anything that conflicts my ideas, it means whatever was said was factually incorrect and I found that out by looking into it. I do have an idea of how powerful propaganda is, obviously. Less than 50 people are behind all the anti vax propaganda associated with COVID-19. That's fucked up and crazy that SO many people will believe what these people say.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. How humorous that you think that those who disagree with you are propagandized but you're not. They couldn't possibly know things that you don't. They couldn't possibly have access to information that you never dreamed of. They don't have the reasoning skills or power to discern credible information from bullshit.
Golly, I congratulate you on your superiority. LMAO

I wish you well on your journey through life. Who knows, you may one day discover that there's difference between being an ideologue and an open-minded researcher. You may realize that you actually don't know everything.

[Aimée__LJ]

@Lliam I know I don't know everything... I think I admitted that by saying that I look things up 🙄 you're projecting so hard and it's hilarious.

[Friendlybro79]

@AmandaYVR I'm with @Aimée__LJ She's basing her comments on facts that many hear have decided not to trust. Many here are unable to prove with facts that are peer reviewed or from reputable sources. You can keep saying what you want but getting the covid vaccine is safe.

[Lliam]

@Aimée__LJ. Yep. You looked up everything there is to look up. You've analyzed every bit of data. That's why your 110% sure that you're right. No doubt in your mind.

Oh, except for the fact that some of things you've said prove that there are things that you have no awareness of. In your mind, if you never heard of it, it must be a conspiracy theory. LOL

[boombastik]

I know that the protein spikes shed and are causing unvaxxed people the same symptoms, ie blood clots, anaphylactic shock, strokes, etc. and are a health hazard to the public

[andreasderjuengere]

mRNA is a natural thing. To fiddle around with something that we do not fully understand (yet?) bears a risk. Get ready for surprises.

[Qdbrown]

This reminds me of Jurassic Park, when Ian Malcolm spouts off, as the vehicles enter the park, "Lord, help us, we are at the mercy of engineers..." Which ironically is a movie about playing with DNA, and not really understanding the power of playing with such technology.

[andreasderjuengere]

curiosity not only killed the cat - it also made it grow a second tail

[MountAverage]

You mean mRNA vaccines? They're perfectly fine. There will be more vaccines of this type in the future. Medical progress is a great thing.

[askandgiveAnswers]

Don’t bring in technology war into the mix of relationship details. No... far to many people don’t wake up and unfortunately. That is all on this topic.

[krin_m]

TLDR, on a personal note, I could not take a vaccine until this technology came along. I'm thankful and hope all the other vaccines in the future (or alternatives for the other vaccines) are based on this technology!

[Anonymous]

Fxxx satan he can die with his evil
CORRUPTION OF ALL FLESH

[LaFerrari]

Have no idea lol