Do you think covid 19 was invented in a lab?

[Legendarylegacy13]

Actually wanted to know what people thought

Yes

No

[Anonymous]

I have seen videos on Instagram, not doctored, not altered of individuals such as Barack Obama in 2014, warning of the potential of a future "pandemic". In the 2016 US candidate debates with Jeb Bush, Hilary Clinton, Donald Trump, Jeb Bush stated live on air, also the potential of a pandemic. Coincidence? Nope, politicians knew what was going to happen, Covid was planned. Maybe it did leak from a China lab but I think its biological warfare, to depopulate society. Early 2018-late 2019, I saw the warning signs, one show in early 2019 (12 months BEFORE) the pandemic hit was that we were heading towards a recession, a bad recession. I talked about a recession looming and the next decade was going to be awful online in late 2019 and people laughed at me and called me stupid. Fast forward a few months, pandemic hits, by March 2020, Bank of America announces a Global Recession, World Health Organization announces a global pandemic. What happens next, panic, mass hysteria, small businesses closes, lockdowns, even martial law in the United States, a country people claim that is "democratic". The government do not give a shit about the average folks, you have to be an extremely evil person, deceptive, manipulative person and following ideologies like Zionism or Wahabbism or capitalism to the fullest extent. In 2020, gun sales sky rocketed, why? People are paranoid of each other. Government is doing it's role to cause division. Let's look at Hollywood -- in 2017 or 2018, one of the Purge movies. Has an opening a woman sitting across a psychiatrist or doctor and is asked to take medication, to stay home and get paid. She says, wait I take medication and get paid for it, whats the catch? Fast forward a few years from that film and what are many people doing around the world? Staying home, collecting government cheques. The war with Ukraine is to push for NATO, western powers for more global coverage, it is not to help the Ukrainians, its to push for World War III (which has been uttered by the likes of Zelensky) or another Cold War. And since people are stupid and follow ideologies and have this blind patriotism about them that whatever the US does whether its invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen for decades or giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine when Americans are living to pay cheque to pay cheque or becoming homeless, this is the political goal of the US government.

History will repeat itself, we will see a catastrophic economic crash and another war that will kill hundreds of millions of people. People are going to read this comment and call me stupid or deny all this. Why? Because if something effects their livelihood in a negative way, it hurts their pride, it shatters their confidence if they can't rely on the government , if their guns won't protect them, then what? Well, Republicans and Democrats, political parties on the right and left want this division amongst citizens. If people don't know the true people in power - the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Morgans, this whole system is a sham -- the IMF, the World Bank, the UN, banks charging interest -- thats all lies to fool you, to take more money out of your pockets. Whether anyone believes me or not, the truth will unfold and what I am saying is the truth.

You can reject my claims and thoughts but eventually it will come to fruition. The same way people rejected what I said in 2019, it doesn't surprise me people will reject them again this decade in the 2020s. I have a degree in political science and a Masters, I've studied politics, law and economics, including religion/prophecies. But unfortunately, the best someone can do is to clap back at this like a 5 year old, laugh and call me crazy or a conspiracy theorist. The information is out there, people are just foolish to overlook it and waste their time on TikTok, Instagram, drowning their sorrows with drugs and booze, and mindless streaming marathons on Disney, HBO Max, Netflix. All I can tell people who do believe me as I say this, get closer to God, repent to God, forgive others, try to be better people, we will be tested.

[Legendarylegacy13]

Lol... you must of really felt the need to state your point... lol

[Legendarylegacy13]

You know what's funny Donald Trump had an quick interview it was on YouTube before he ran for president he said he run as a republican because that's who would vote for him in that same quick interview which was before he even announced he was going to run for president the interviewer asked Donald trump about a statement that he previously made and asked Donald trump if he thought the world or possibly the usa was overpopulated Donald Trumps answer yes the world or USA is greatly overpopulated.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

I would say, engineered, is the right term to use. Invention was done by the nature, but it was not this dangerous. This is an engineered version.

[Legendarylegacy13]

Exactly, the whole purpose of the study in the lab from the natural coronavirus was to make it more transmitable to other animals as well as into humans.

[purplepoppy]

I would say POSSIBLE. But the simple truth is this.

Coronavirus is extremely common in nature, it mutates very easily and new strains easily jump species barriers. You can find predictions of the outbreak in old veterinary books dating back decades.

I'm not ruling out the lab, my problem is too many are pointing the finger just to prove what a good little right winger they are.

A problem I've got is since China was the worst hit why haven't they executed everyone in the lab as punishment? Or at least to keep them quiet?

[Legendarylegacy13]

I have a similar belief. That would have to go with it being released purposely or not. Which I don't necessarily agree with and china does horrible things to its own people I don't believe that they would go as far as to do something so risky.

[Keishio]

One of my biggest issues with the whole pandemic was how politicised it became which instantly shut down genuine discussion of a topic that desperately needed discussing. If you weren't for lockdowns/mask wearing you were a right winger and if you supported the latter you were a leftist snowflake. It made it impossible to have a genuine discussion about whether or not the actions taking place, given the evidence we had which was ever changing, was overall worth the cost to our economies and the livelihoods of regular citizens without it turning into a political dogfight.

[BeeNee]

@Keishio I could not agree with this sentiment more. This is what really has made me miss things like the pre-Trump days where everyone didn't have to be on one side or you were definitely wrong or right about anything in life or in need of cancelling just because you had a different point of view. I would love to have this conversation with some people closely connected. I had a friend working for the Biden administration but he could unfortunately tell me nothing. I think people really want someone to directly blame and if it can be China they want to blame them, but as pointed out, it killed a lot of them hard, and it seems to me unless someone massively screwed up, if you were going to release something to say raise your stocks in mask production or toilet paper, you'd do so in a way that didn't affect your own country or at least with minimal risk.

[Siri137]

Of course it was. That's an established fact. Why do some still believe it wasn't?

[goaded]

Latest evidence, based on swabs taken in the early days at the Wuhan market indicates it was a natural occurrence.

March 16, 2023
"An international team of virus experts said on Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

The genetic data was drawn from swabs taken from in and around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market starting in January 2020, shortly after the Chinese authorities had shut down the market because of suspicions that it was linked to the outbreak of a new virus. By then, the animals had been cleared out, but researchers swabbed walls, floors, metal cages and carts often used for transporting animal cages."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smid=url-share

[Keishio]

When that team of experts are gathering together to present their findings to the WHO which were also the same organisation imposing the lockdowns, mandates and masks I'm sure they would want their findings to align with the story they originally pushed

[goaded]

@Keishio Or, and bear with me here, they could be scientists doing their jobs. Transparently and openly.

What people seem to miss is that the origin of the virus has nothing to do with the way it was handled by affected countries. The WHO has no authority to "impose" lockdowns, it can just make recommendations.

[Siri137]

"Latest evidence..." - What evidence? The kind of "evidence" that the Communist Party of China thought was in their best interests for the rest of the world to see? That kind of evidence? And I would stop reading 'The New York Times' if I were you. They're not exactly known for being truthful, about anything.

[goaded]

@Siri137 Whatever you do, don't believe anybody who isn't your preferred source of news.

Just out of interest, has your preferred source of news reported on the outcome of the Dominion lawsuit? (Fox News settled after it was determined that they'd lied about the election and voting machines in particular.)

[Siri137]

I don't watch 'FOX News', and I'm not familiar with that lawsuit.

[goaded]

@Siri137 You surprise me. It's the $1.6bn lawsuit that Dominion Voting Machines brought against Fox News for knowingly lying on air about the 2020 election and their machines, which worked just fine. Fox settled just as it was going to trial at which the question of whether they lied or not was not going to be disputed having been proven without a doubt in the discovery phase of the action.

Fox had to pay $787.5 to the company but unfortunately weren't forced to admit it on air, which might have restored faith in the election system in the US.

The presenters' internal communications came out, showing that they knew the election had been lost fair and square, that the guests they were bringing on and propping up were liars, and that many had no respect for Trump at all, just their profits.

en.wikipedia.org/.../...ystems_v._Fox_News_Network

[goaded]

The blueanon who won't allow responses is nuts. It's reasonable to predict things that regularly happen will happen again.

[Keishio]

This is what I meant by another comment I made on this thread. Zero discussion can be had without it resorting into a left vs right political dogfight. If you think something is fishy about the pandemic then you must be a right wing fox news viewer. The topic was about the corona virus origin, not Trump, fox news or the election. You can believe one thing without having to believe the other

[goaded]

@Keishio That's a fair comment, I was triggered by the "stop reading 'The New York Times'" advice. The NYT's got its flaws, but it's generally an OK source of news. The Fox News case was big news practically everywhere. I wondered that it was possible to miss it.

[goaded]

@Keishio That said, your comments about the WHO and implications about the scientists were hardly impartial, were they?

"When that team of experts are gathering together to present their findings to the WHO which were also the same organisation imposing the lockdowns, mandates and masks I'm sure they would want their findings to align with the story they originally pushed"

[Keishio]

I'm not impartial. It's not a left or right thing for me, it's a transparency and honesty thing. There have been lies, redacted information, leaked information, restrictions broken by the same people who imposed them on us, massive wealth transfer and huge profits made off the pandemic. So no, I'm not impartial but seeing inconsistencies in truth and honesty doesn't make me right or left

[ODC2112]

I don't think anything. I believe the evidence. Until there is evidence of the thing, the previous explanation is the correct one. The current explanation is that it originated in the Wuhan market, so there is evidence for it.
If you analyze the virus, the first available genome was not artificially genetically edited. This makes the laboratory hypothesis quite unfounded.

[Legendarylegacy13]

I think that us not realizing that covid 19 did not derive from a lab is extremely nieve...

[ODC2112]

Give me evidence, but you don't have any. This is as good as the fact that covid was made by bald people who want to conquer the world.

[AviatorTom]

We may never know where the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 was "invented" (or where it mutated from another virus) but the experts are pretty sure it was leaked (probably accidentally, but they're not sure) from a lab in Wuhan China.

[888theGreat]

China had three goals

1) Hurting Trump because of his sanctions. They didn't want him back in office.

2) Damaging the US economy allowing them to take #1 spot

3) Reducing young males in population , so US military was weaker.

They were successful. Now whether China has biggest economy now I can't say but they for sure gained on US. They hurt Trump and worked with DNC to keep him out of office. Many males died and more are dying from Vaccine and US is short recruits for military.

Yet nothing has been done to China for doing this. No fines or sanctions. If China occupies Taiwan , something tells me then Democrats will blame them for Covid and they will try to sanction them.

[Siri137]

No, if China invades Taiwan, the Democrats will once again say it's all Trump's fault.

[Somebody12]

Im not saying it was made in china its hard to tell but if you look at the covid virus all of them are identical to each other like if they were printed now if it was the virus multiplying it would have had variations but instead it was identical and should have been easy to stop

[normalice]

Unlikely. That's just not something we are capable of as a species. Could an existing virus be mutated under controlled circumstances stances? Sure. But inventing a virus essentially from scratch is simply out of the question.

[Legendarylegacy13]

We are not saying out of scratch. We saying that the original corinvirus as found in bats did not spread like this We saying it was altered.

[normalice]

Such alterations would take decades with our current technologies. And using the technologies at our disposal decades ago would have taken centuries. It's irritating how people think science is magic. There is no."virus altering device." The only way to alter a virus is to change its environment in a way that favors the attributes you seek. This is much easier with bacteria because they don't require a host. Viruses do. So, within a body there are ways to influence how it affects the cells. And this works because there are gillions of viruses trying to navigate the obstacles put up, with nearly 100% of them failing at first. But methods of transmission between hosts is an arduous process requiring the cultivation of several generations of hosts. Airborne viruses dont reproduce until they find a host so you basically have to replicate those billions upon billions of interactions manually. This is compounded by the fact that a virus doesn't become airborne until a host is infected for several days. It is a made-for-TV ridiculous conspiracy theory to divide people. Nothing more.

[Legendarylegacy13]

Dude!!! it was decades... lol

[normalice]

I saidcenturies with the tech decades ago 😅

[Reorx]

I think it was manipulated in a lab & had many uses, one of which was to distinguish people who will conform from those who won't or in other words those who will follow orders & those who renain individuals & question them first. I can show you a Chinese documentary about coronavirus & a Chinese scientists saying it would be an excellent attack vector in the west. I saw this 3 years before the pandemic. People need to wake up to what subversion is as well as it's source..

[BCRanger10]

At this point, any case to the contrary is dang near impossible to make.

[cunnilinguist]

Why does this question even need to be asked when the evidence is in the public domain and is beyond dispute? It's like someone asking "Do you believe apples grow on trees?" It's not like it's subject to belief is it?

[strateguy632]

i beleiv the conspiracy obama payd for china to make a virus a certain way so they planned and released it to chinese to spread it for the purpose of causing everybody to get vax. silly? i am serious.

[convo_king89]

It was invented for a lab but I don’t think it was ment to create a pandemic. I heard they were doing research on viruses from bats.

[gorydetails]

There's zero doubt in my mind. It was created in a lab with funding from the NIH (which was illegal to do).

[Anonymous]

At this point, who knows. Anything is possible.

[DarkLegacy]

A American conspiracy which people seem to have brought to run down China

[Anonymous]

Psychic remote viewers at farsight looked into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hC7og_62I4&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Ffarsight.org%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title

[Pinay_ako]

Think resident evil. Yes 👍 it had to happen. It wasn’t an accident

[exitseven]

it was deveoped in a lab in Wuhan China, thus the name "China Virus"

[Anonymous]

I think they might have been "studying" it in a lab, but I don't think it was invented in a lab.

[legalboxers]

[clampfan101]

If it was I’d assume it was an accident and not a poorly planned weapon.

[Rangers]

They brag about creating it and releasing it every day for the past 3 years, of course they did

[007kingifrit]

it may not have been intentional as a weapon but it absolutely came from a lab

[Pterodon]

Of course it was with Biden’s help. Why do you think he refuses to investigate?

[CB-Raido-Time]

No it was invented at event 201.

[Legendarylegacy13]

What is event 201

[CB-Raido-Time]

It's where they planed the plandemic look it up.

[Legendarylegacy13]

Is that the international war games.

[CB-Raido-Time]

No it's not that. Go to startpage. com and enter event 201

[Legendarylegacy13]

That's really like JORTC I don't know if any other state has that I do not believe that to be the root of the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

of course it was by the department of defense, bill gates, pfizer, moderna

[Anonymous]

Engineered in a lab and released intentionally.

[KostasKouvalis]

It's already been proven that it was

[Fuentes]

Yeah I also don't even think it's a thing