Should women serve in frontline policing roles that may require physical force?

[Just_Ken]

I remember in my early teens easily over powering a female jujitsu black belt in cross training with our judo club, her technique was better but I was just too strong for her.

Then one time in my early 20s I had to physically intervene as two WPCs were getting knocked by a junky they were trying to arrest.

Don't get me started on when I was in the army.

[Effably]

It is a mixed bag. Let us not pretend women are generally anywhere near as capable in a physical conflict. Sexual dimorphism is real and humans have it too.

That said it does not invalidate the value of female police officers. In nearly every case when a woman shows up and tells some drunk guys to stop fighting, they do. When a man tries to tell them to stop he often has to get physical to achieve it.

In a lot of cases being a woman makes troublemakers calm down. That is valuable. From my personal experience 99 out of 100 times men will stop fighting when a woman shows up in uniform. Women however will rarely stop regardless, but are also able to be handled more freely by a female officer.

In another scenario a lot of involved people, victims, criminals, witnesses and alike will be much more open to talking to a woman.

Please know that I speak from a lot of personal and systematic experience here. Women in the police force are incredibly valuable.

But at the same time you almost never pair two women together since not having the option to employ brawn can be problematic. You just have to make differences complement.

[Just_Ken]

The stand down because she's police and carries authority. The problem comes when they dont.

[Effably]

If that was all people would stand down as often if a man showed up. I promise you that is not the case. I suppose it might be cultural.

My own interpretation is that most men detest the idea of swinging at a woman and would rather just drop any ongoing beef and behave.

Your picture example does seem to showcase two women as opposed to a mix which I fully agree is a mistake.

Also valid to take drug use in the area into consideration. Some drugs signficiantly alter how someone needs to be subdued.

[Just_Ken]

Nope what you get is what happened recently in Heathrow Airport. Two female cops getting the shit kicked out of them by two muslim men

[SeekerOfTruth007]

They can try, but unless they are exceptionally well trained in martial arts, they are likely to either get injured by criminals, or be forced to call for constant male backup. I've seen it myself a few times. The single female officer shows up to a crime scene with no partner, and the suspect is a 250+ pound heavyweight man who is a drunken fool, and she must call for backup, because obviously a 135lbs woman is not cuffing a 250 pounds drunken man who wants to resist. She would need to know real Japanese joint locks, or else use a Stun Gun on every suspect she encounters.

[sage2021]

In my opinion, no they should not.

There are many other occupations that they should not be hired to do.

Being a commercial jet pilot is one of them.

I've learned a lot about aviation and when there's something wrong with the plane, they have what is called the Stick Shaker.
The Stick Shaker can sometimes be controlled by the Pilot and the First Officer but it takes all of their bruit force to get the plane back to normal.

Women just don't have the upper body strength and muscles to help very much with that. You can see 2 pilots trying to get the Stick Shaker under control and they need all of their strength to accomplish that and sometimes they end up crashing the plane because they couldn't get it under control again.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.🙂

[Kelly6]

@sage2021 never thought about this but yes this is 100% true

[Anonymous]

so you think that 1 woman can represent an entire gender?

you don't think there are women that are way taller, thicker, bigger and stronger than her?

I'm such a woman, I look huge, broad shouldered, thick and strong, a natural fighter and athlete, way above average muscle mass for a female.

Just the same way there are plenty of fit women at my gym class who can bench up to 150 pounds.

Strong women are uncommon but they do exist. And it is very sexist to assume all women are of the same strength.

Not all men are strong either. I'm stronger than plenty of men out there.

[usernameobvious]

Some women are built for it.
I think there's many strong women out there who are rocks aka they're very masculine, women, they're butch, they're built. Solid women do exist and more become fine soldiers/security guards/etc

Never discount all women.

[usernameobvious]

And likewise, some people, men or women, are built physically for other jobs. That's just life and genes and odds. I know I'm not cut out for heavy duty work 🪨 im no rock

[Just_Ken]

Even the strongest woman isn't built for it.

[usernameobvious]

Ken you know that's no true - Michael Scott paraphrased 😃

[usernameobvious]

*not true. Darn I ruined that quote when Michael talked to Stanley

[Just_Ken]

Unless its Hannah Mousey

[katiesmuff]

That is exactly what they signed up for and I can tell you I've seen some female cops do some things men couldn't do and can handle themselves fairly well in tough situations. Remember even male cops take a beating at times as well.

[Just_Ken]

In the pics it ended with a male officer having to take the two guys solo.

[katiesmuff]

I see a guy in a blue shirt punch the female cop (solid hit) male cop off to the side and some guy in a brown shirt just standing around. A guy with a gray shirt with hands in his pockets just watching. Don't see the male cop do anything, but do believe he took out the blue shirt guy.

[Just_Ken]

There's a video somewhere. The green party leader condemned the male officer for kicking one of his assailants in the head. These are armed uk cops.

[katiesmuff]

The fact that we can't see it in what you showed us doesn't help your case my friend! Not doubting your word, just that we don't see any real evidence other than the girl getting smacked.

[Just_Ken]

Major story In the uk. youtube.com/shorts/eqhjpFpT5aw?is=yhMdH75ZLuw7vIfz

[katiesmuff]

? Did I miss something

[Cidknee]

They really shouldn't. Is there a shortage on men? Then why have it? To stroke their ego? Give me a brake.

On one hand they may need to use lethal force when a man wouldn't. A lightweight criminal may be tempted to try on a female when he wouldn't a male. There are a few more variations on these two that make the whole thing senseless.

[usernameobvious]

I feel like no one ever considers my type of answer - as just anyone else's few cents opinion or a dime opinion - butch women do exist. Manly women do exist - strong

[Cidknee]

I watched a video of a man who'd been pulled over by a highway patrol. She was hooked in the jaw and his daughter of about 10 or 12 was screaming and begging him to stop as he explained to the female that he can't go back to jail and was smearing her head into the road with punch after punch. This lady survived and had her jaws wired shut for a while and quit the force. She didn't try again.
That's what stands out in my mind.

[Taranis_Thunor]

The images you're posting are displaying a race problem. People like this aren't going to conform to our law enforcement when it's a bunch of women & redditors.

[jshm2]

Yes. As the amount of times they will need to use force is very limited.

[Just_Ken]

What happens when they are confronted by two aggressive muslim men in an airport who kick the crap out of them?

[ThisSiteSux]

Lol absolutely not. My brother is a cop. A Sargent. Women get men killed.

[slatyb]

Should? Some are capable, and if they choose to do that, they should.

[LazerBean]

I don't think so, sounds like it would be more of a liability than a help

[Paige2006]

If they want to

[FrodoSkywalker007]

No way

[Jmmmfi4]

Lol no