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Its either people are attracted to you or they're not, its that plain and simple. Being nice has nothing to do with it. people gotta open their eyes and realize that they're blaming it on other false factors because they don't want to know the truth which is they're chasing girls or guys thats not in their own league and yes they are unattractive. P. s. to be honest i didn't even read i just watched the video
or people could just be nice AND attractive and girls could ook for guys with the two of these traits, lol.
yup exactly
Lol every time I see Jenna marbles I think of the one YouTube chick who was fat shaming. Yea, she is right to a point, genuine people don't ha r to say they are genuine people. Its like a friend of mine who says " I don't sleep around f I'm not that type of girl" but she is lol.. she has had more partners in a year than most have in their lifetime... still love her tho
Solid take. I think the nice guy title is just sort of demeaning to most. I'm definitely a nice guy but i have confidence too. I think like anything should be taken in moderation you know.
Yep, it's good to avoid all the stereotypes in describing the nice guy.
Naaah, i disagree. Actually, i agree that you said it doesn't have anything to do with attractiveness at all. I don't agree that you get in a conflict with yourself saying it's necessary. It's not necessary, it doesn't have anything to do with it. It's simply not a variable in the equation.
Necessary if you have moral beliefs and consider what the social effects are of all these assholes getting laid, starting abusive relationships and then raising new assholes.
Well, you're gonna have to tell it to the assholes then, since they're the ones being able to get laid and raise new assholes. I don't think they're gonna listen.
The problem is, we keep teaching our kids being nice when the system and the nature couldn't give less s**t. We live in a system and a nature where cutting in front of the line is rewarded, we simply have to accept the fact and adapt.
'Well, you're gonna have to tell it to the assholes then.'
Nah, I'll just be condescending and judgmental over the internet.
'We live in a system and a nature where cutting in front of the line is rewarded, we simply have to accept the fact and adapt.'
That's not really the underlying principle of liberal democracy. In fact, if we fully embraced such a principle, it would lead to social decay pretty fast.
The best way to get a hot woman is to be a ass hole.
basically, yeah.
People should be nice, its a moral thing of society. So being a 'nice guy' makes no sense. A 'bad boy' is a Fonzie trend. How is debate still going on today?
I agree with your moral sentiment that they *should* be nice, however this behaviour is not ALWAYS rewarded by society. In fact competitive and individualistic traits are often the most rewarded, and this is evidenced not only by the dating scene.
Niceness alone is rarely rewarded, you need popularity, wealth (so on). If that is the case then why would being a 'nice guy' be any different? Certain traits that fit with other people's standards are rewarded, I do agree.
'Niceness alone is rarely rewarded, you need popularity, wealth (so on).'
Right, so that's why I argue that 'niceness might not be sufficient but it is necessary'. We can have attractive qualities, but let's not lose our civility. Similarly, maybe women should only be rewarding attractive men that have not lost their civility, in order to contribute to a more positive and healthy society.
The debate is still going on because a lot of guys don't listen to women when they speak, which shows you they're not mature enough for a legit relationship.
@ras144 nah, they just don't want to listen to random women spitting venom on the internet like Jenna Marbles. that's why I'm here to address their 'points' - because no-one else has the time or patience.
I didn't know Jeanna Marbles = 50% of the world population. Thanks for the info.
@ras144 True of what you said.
'I didn't know Jeanna Marbles = 50% of the world population'
I said random women like Jenna Marbles, not '50% of the world population'.
I always go for good genuine nice guys. They just turn out to be assholes, once you get to know someone their true colors start to reveal themselves, it does not mean I believe that all guys are assholes who pretend to be gentleman.
no offense, but they weren't 'good genuine nice guys' if they started to show their true colours after 5 minutes of knowing you.
I never said they were genuine nice guys. Days later they showed their true colors
I'm sorry that was your experience.
as long as you understand not all 'nice guys' are like this, then we're cool.
When I say I always go for nice guys, that means I try to go for guys who have a good personality and are attractive, not just attractive alone
Cool, that's reasonable as long as you are nice and attractive also.
Yes I am
Then there's no problem with your dating strategy.
Everyone is an asshole.
@Rawrzz some are more assholish than others, it seems.
Comparatively. But they're still all assholes.
@Rawrzz I just think guys are willing to treat the girls they like better and the ones they don't like shit
@iamthefourthdoor Women don't treat people differently based on how much they like them? o. o;
@Rawrzz some women do
@Iamthefourthdoor -.- Everyone treats people better or worse based on how much they like them. I REALLY know that. Even the nicest person in the world is going to be an asshole at some point. People can't always be nice. And there are different perceptions on what makes someone an asshole, sort of. For instance, the whole opening the door for women thing. Some women would be like "Oh, thank you, that's so nice," others would expect you to just do it, because you're a man and she's a woman, others would be like "YOU MISOGYNIST PIG, LIKE I CAN'T OPEN A FUCKING DOOR FOR MYSELF!" Personally I like the last type most. Incidentally.
The alpha assholes will tell the world that gentleness is just a way to hide how mean, stupid and boring a beta guy is.
Being an asshole, on the contrary, proves his honesty and alpha male capacities.
Yep, some guys ARE like this although in all fairness, 'don't hate the player, hate the game' are pretty sound words here.
I think the who swinging for the fences part is BS.
I knew girls who are hot (really hot) that I had a lot in common with.
I mean some geeky stuff, too.
So, not all hot chicks are gold diggers. She, being a woman, should know that.
Yeah, hearing this loudmouth spitting her venom kinda makes my blood boil a bit. It's quite difficult to keep a cool head and address each of her generalisations rationally and calmly.
"Sometimes you just have to give people a chance to show you who they really are before you see their true traits and attractiveness. "
I would like to see that happen (with a nice guy, aka not badass, bad boy etc...).
Agreed.
also just use common since be nice when you need to. and put a bitch in his place if need be
yeah, 'niceness if reciprocated' only. still even that isn't enough sometimes, even when the man is attractive.
I'd actually have issues with someone that can actually hold a conversation with a rock.
Plus the whole 'nice men are not actually nice' is really blown out of proportion and it shows when you flip the script like this:
"A guy and a girl have a sexual relationship and spend pleasurable time together. Further more she even cooks and clean for him. But when he told her he wouldn't commit to her she gave him a hard time and the cooking and cleaning stopped! She even stopped having sex with him!! Turns out she wasn't really nice and probably just wanted his pocket book. Nice women are only nice to get what they want."
I hate Jenna Marbles. Die slow b*tch.
Yeah, I don't really like her sentiment much either.
Okay, manners aren't "nice", they're polite. Something like giving a homeless guy half of your sandwich is nice, holding a door open for someone is polite. Big difference.
Ok, let's stay on topic because I never said 'niceness' was exclusive to being well-mannered.
Also, we can probably agree manners are necessary but not sufficient. e. g. it's very well and good to be somebody that says 'please' and 'thank you' but we can probably agree that it's important to have some attractive qualities. In a similar vein however, possessing attractive qualities should NOT pardon you from acting in a way that is poorly mannered - nor should such behaviour be sexually rewarded, certainly not on the premise that you're some sexy 'bad boy'.
The same thing goes for being 'nice', and this is the essence of what I'm arguing: niceness might not be sufficient but it is a necessary trait.
This is the most aggravating topic on this site in my opinion. I could write a novel about it, but unlike some users I don't have the time nor the fucks to give.
'This is the most aggravating topic on this site in my opinion... I don't have the time nor the fucks to give.'
You seem to have a contradictory stance there.
It can aggravate me, but that doesn't mean I have the time or the energy to type out all my thoughts about it.
So no, nothing was contradictory about what I said.
Well in that case, if you have nothing constructive to contribute, I'd advise you stick to your own feelings about 'fucks to give'.
Then why comment at all?
@hellionthesage I'm just expressing my feelings towards the topic
Your personal sentiment is uninformative and provides no value to the discussion. Nobody wants to hear it.
Someone up voted me so what you said is inaccurate.
all the same, it's an inflammatory stance and adds nothing to the discussion. as the person that wrote the take, I would politely request that you add valuable information or refrain from posting.
thanks, it's much appreciated.
But you provide nothing so what was the point? Criticism without an explanation is of no value. Its like telling some one their doing something wrong but refusing to tell them why. What is the point? It doesn't benefit you or them.
Honestly y'all can't get your panties in a wad over something as trivial as this. I suggest getting offline for a while and doing something with a person face to face.
it's just annoying, as are you.
Thanks
yaaaaawn
You're a really aggressive and arrogant person.
@rawrzz lol that's new never gotten that before
That's alright. So am I. Though, I wonder why you felt the need to post while saying basically nothing.
@rawrzz I posted my feeling toward the subject.
@RachelBrigs
If you can write a novel about it, why don't you go ahead and write a novel about it instead of sitting on your arse talking about it. Get back to me once it's finished.
Yo. The comments/opinions section is for sharing your OPINION. It doesn't have to be an informative novel. Quit trying to put her down for simply saying that this is an overdone topic that annoys her.
@lumos she is free to voice her opinion about how little fucks she gives, I'm also free to express my own sentiment that I could give no fucks if she has no fucks to give. If she says she could write a novel, she should go and write a fucking novel.
got it? good.
Except that that's not what you said, you basically said that she shouldn't have voiced her opinion at all because you found it uninformative. And I just wanted to tell you that everyone is allowed to post opinions on here as long as they don't break site rules. Can you calm down now?
@lumos 'her opinion at all because you found it uninformative'
Her opinion is uninformative and I have no fucks to give if she has no fucks to give. There.
'Can you calm down now?'
NO.
Tough love.
@lumos...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsPI6V4Iec
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" If you can write a novel about it, why don't you go ahead and write a novel about it instead of sitting on your arse talking about it. Get back to me once it's finished."
Who tf are you. Get a life
I have one thanks, it's just that it involves more than making inflammatory comments on other people's mytakes devoid of any content or value to bring to the discussion.
There sure does seem to be a concerted effort to keep nice guys from acting like jerks, what's that about? Why do you care if a guy you won't date turns himself into a jerk you won't date?