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I guess because of all these generalizations about nice girls I should become a bitch now :P
you got it :P
I don't get it... so are we talking about nice girls or "nice" girls?
if you wanted to look at it that way then I suppose "nice" girls. thing is, it's not really meant to be viewed like this. I'm trying to show what it's like when you reverse the tables.
forget about the whole dating thing for a moment, and let's say you're trying to get a decent job, because you don't want to be a milkman or restaurant waiter anymore. you want a job that matches your full potential and that allows you to realise your creative ambition. you are already fully qualified for the job, but when you go to the interviews you're just not as good as playing the game and spinning the words as the guy who beats you to the job every time and isn't actually as qualified. you think this sucks, so you complain about it to your friends and family: after all, you've put your heart and soul into doing something meaningful and productive, you've worked hard to get your job, but employers just don't see your talent because you don't have the same kind of interview savvy.
let's say that instead of sympathising with you, or giving you constructive advice on how to play the game better, your friends and family say something like,
"well that's because nice guys finish last"
or,
"you can't win people over by being nice to them, you've got to have the qualifications and the full potential."
Well, you're annoyed now. You know for a fact you're not just relying on the fact you're a nice guy. You actually have the damn qualifications and potential and all the rest of it. But this other guy who always get's the job is just better at spinning lies and the employers always get strung along like in Tom and Jerry.
Ok, now when it comes to dating, we know that genuinely good guys with attractive qualities do get the girls, but to write takes about "nice guys" and say, "well if you're not getting girls it's because (a) you're not genuinely nice and (b) you're not attractive". It's missing the whole damn point.
Stereotypes and generalisations are getting thrown around like breadcrumbs. These people don't know anything about their audience, what their qualities (or lack of qualities are), what the reasons may be they are single, celibate whatever, what their circumstances are, etc. And it's usually women who write these takes about nice guys and those same women are usually feminists. When you try to explain what's wrong they say,
"well we're not talking about genuinely nice guys"
But they're still missing the point. You can be a genuinely nice guy with attractive qualities and still be unsuccessful. Conversely, some incredibly unattractive guys that aren't nice at all can get with women because they're just good at manipulating and pulling strings.
So in this take, I reversed the tables. It's probably true that "nice girls" will be more successful than "nice guys" on the whole but that's not the point. The point is to show how shitty and lame it is to write a take like this.
lol... you had me at "nice" girls and the interview analogy. that is as true as it gets so for reference purposes... i came up with that analogy... okay? okay :)
Those "nice" girls get on my nerves though, think they know it all and how things are supposed to go and all that, then when it crashes around their ears, rather than backup and try a different approach, they decide to blame everything and everyone.
Could they be good at the relationships? probably, but they didn't do good at showing that. I think this applies to nice guys as well...
I like (or should i say, liked) "nice" girls... they are fun to toy with. quite interesting watching some turn bitter.
yeah, well I'm glad that somebody *gets* this, I just wish there was a way to communicate my thoughts on this more effectively to the female audience. but then, that's why the whole "nice guy" debate has lasted for so long because both sides of the argument are just talking past each other. it's impossible to understand where each other are coming from. also, the guys that really are the stereotypical "nice" guy aren't necessarily helping because they come on takes like my one and they say things like,
"yeah, I really hate those dumb girls"
so I inevitably just get lumped in with THAT crowd by the feminists on here.
I can tell you right now not to waste your breath trying to convince a female about anything that involves male experiences. I literally just got blocked by some schmo because she said i sounded bitter in my opinion, and in the course of my defense, after she had no choice but to admit that saying that didn't mean i was bitter... she blocked me so i couldn't say anything else. butt hurt.
we will never be able to get any of our thoughts across to most females because all they think about is themselves and what they want only. There is literally no woman on this earth, that is selfless to a guy (pop's words too).
That is why i encourage all men (when i can) to do their own thing... this nice guy vs nice girl debate is only going on because we are letting it. nice guys who think bowing to women will work will keep crying, and "nice" girls who feel privileged or something will continue to be friend zoned, or used and dumped. So why bother.
yeah I've been blocked like 6 times since I joined here: all of them women and all of the blocks to prevent me from presenting hard logic and facts. never because I ever said anything abusive or disrespectful and always because they couldn't handle the truth.
I get what you're saying about the nice guy thing. I just want to drive home the point that not only do we have genuinely nice guys (this one isn't lost) but yeah, we can have a nice guy that really does have the attractive qualities women want (or say they want) in a man but still lose out. it's the "unattractive nice guy" stereotype that needs quashing more so than the "fake nice guy" stereotype and it's the feminists promoting the former stereotype, and the nice guys always trying to argue against the latter. I guess that the real life "nice" girls, are the ones that just want marriage and commitment straight off the block and try to shame players, fuckboys etc.
the unattractive nice guy doesn't have much else to go on... its the only option.
we really do have genuine nice guys... but there's are now becoming extinct and its all because of these "nice" girls.
true, and those girls do not discriminate based on attractiveness OR niceness, but based purely on status. this is something both sides of the argument need to see.
again... good luck trying to explain that to the females lol... like teaching algebra to toddlers. Most won't get it, but once in a while you find that diamond in the rough.
I stopped trying to convince women about male stuff a long time ago... its not even worth the effort. I just let most shit go when it happens and if i really want, i make it happen whether they like it or not. Life is much simpler that way.
well, I have been on and off writing a rather lengthy take the last few weeks that should cover it. it's about the importance of status over looks but has a subtle anti-feminist stance and talks about nice guys a bit also. maybe not everyone will get it, but hopefully there will be more of a barrier in this thread so the feminists will actually have to think about, and process the content a bit before they start trying to ram regurgitated arguments down my throat. I'll post it up later this evening once it's done.
be sure to tag me in it. i want to read that.
Here you go :)
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a28841-the-difference-between-the-good-guy-the-nice-guy-isn-t-looks-it-s
Nice girls still get laid more than nice guys
"Ugly" girls can still get laid easier than ugly guys
So you were saying?
"So you were saying?"
Stop making stupid takes about reasons women don't like "nice guys" because they just as shit as and means about as little as this take I wrote (emphasis on SATIRICAL RESPONSE).
Also, yeah nice girls and ugly girls get laid more than their counterpart... so what? They're still gonna have a hard time getting commitment: women are gatekeepers to sex, men are gatekeepers to marriage... geddit?
+myTake Owner Amen to that!
1. I didn't say anything about nice guys. But the fact you assumed I did hints at a guilty mind. You can't complain about women not liking "nice" guys when you just made a myTake shitting all over nice girls so fuck off.
2. You're assuming every woman wants marriage. They don't. Some women don't give one shit if a man doesn't want to marry them , that's not what they want from guys. Women can get married very easily. Even ugly ones. Many guys I see walking around aren't married to beautiful women, they're plain/average or worse.
1. You said, "Nice girls still get laid more than nice guys" ... and where the heck did I " complain about women not liking "nice" guys ". Maybe if you'd bothered to you know... actually read, and check out the link at the top of the page, you'd have an idea about the sort of article this is take is a satirical response to. But alas you did not and you do not have an idea, so you are essentially speaking from total ignorance.
2. If "every woman wants marriage" is an assumption, so are both of your statements in the original post. Any way, I did not say EVERY woman wants marriage. I said men are the gatekeepers to marriage, meaning that there is stronger demand for it from women than men. No, obviously not every woman wants marriage just like not every man wants sex.
Anyway, you clearly did not understand what this take was about. I strongly urge you to re-read it before you respond to this comment with even more false assumptions, otherwise just don't bother.
thank you for confirming that women have it easier than men.
It said satire, why are the girls getting all defensive now? The point was to make you see how ridiculous some of what you're saying in these takes is.
That being said, it's hard to have effective satire if it doesn't offend someone.
The point of satire is that it's funny. This was not.
@itsallover No, that's not necessarily true. Even if you aren't personally offended, satire is most often used to offend a specific audience, but also trigger them into thinking in a different way or questioning themselves.
Not being funny is also not a reason to get defensive. If you told me a really bad joke, I would just stare at you blankly, not get pissy about it.
@itsallover Maybe you and other chicks dont find this funny and choose to take offense by it but on the other hand dudes are finding it funny. So it does meet the definition of satire for quite a few even if you personally dont get it. Also why don't you like this? Are you a big fan of all the nice guy/ bad boy stuff on the web. This is in a way poking fun at that stuff. So if you are I can see why you wouldn't like this.
The difference is guys actually like nice girls. There are even several studies that confirm it.
please don't write down "there are several studies that confirm" something and then don't post links. if you know of studies then post them.
Here is a link to 3 studies described in layman's terms:
license.icopyright.net/.../viewFreeUse.act
Actual studies and results summary:
https://psp.sagepub.com/content/40/10/1341
There are some more, but I forgot to bookmark them, and too tired to find them now. That was about 2 minutes on Google. Maybe you should spend more time there instead of on Twitter, or trolling on here.
no because, I'm not the one saying xyz is backed by studies and then not posting said studies. thanks for posting said studies, however.
Yea you can't even say that about this crap...
BWAHAHAHAHA, this is fucking hilarious. Good Take man!
Way to pessimistic man. You also left out the best thingd Nice girls at the end.
You should be a comedian with that xD
Also, what every "nice girl' would say (you have missed that btw) is "I don't care how much money he has.". All too often I see that.
lol they want to wail on you and call you pathetic, whiny, blah blah blah, and if you say a peep in response "BITTER, ANGRY!!!". So lame.
This was a fail attempt
didn't expect these much butthurt from women
@slimstiffy you talking to me or OP?
to both of you lol.
@slimstiffy cool
haha. yeah im cool.
I hate this take nobody is ugly or out of anybody'd league and don't have to have to have looks to be hot.
Looks might be subjective but people definitely do have their own idea about league. But anyway, that's not the point.
If you feel so strongly about this, you should criticise the ORIGINAL take, because she was the first one to relate the concept of league to nice guys. I was just doing a satire response because I'm so fed up of seeing takes like that.
women can't take what they dish out at guys.
lol Americans have a problem with the "victim mentality" don't they? I wonder if they even believe victims can exist...
Right? I mean most people who are actual victims do not play that mentality nor put themselves in the position of being a victim (or @ least they do their best not to).
Really factual. I find like 95% of all these truthful. Good one here
it did say it was satire, right?
correct
Very funny mytake, but totally true :D
A girl who can bake is awesome.
true
Damn, spitt'n the hard facts though.
Lmaoooo nice take mate
ugh this is not even funny
These dumb women don't know what satire means.