I know you're going to hit me on this one, but I think your view of feminism is almost religiously harsh. This is coming from a guy who is usually fairly critical of the movement.
What I think we are seeing is the fall of a mindset of a particular worldview. Feminism will either adapt to the new ideas -about male victimization and men's issues, and how many of these are both the cause and the effect of women's issues- or it will dogmatically hold onto the male hyperagency/female hypoagency perspectives and continue to fall.
Many of the best things feminism has done has fallen outside of this perspective. The early suffragist movements and early feminist movements were more about securing women's independence to be as self-sufficient as a man. What it often runs into these days is "empowering women to demand more government programs".
There have been several cases, like Scandinavia, their version of feminism was more problem-solving than punishment-oriented. For instance, if a business in Sweden were to hire mostly men, they would discuss it with the company and probably discover statistics about men working more overtime and women's maternity leave. Then they would encourage men to ease up on the hours and/or help more with the kids, and introduce "parental leave" to be divided as the family chooses. IIRC, this was similar how the parental leave program was born.
In the US breed of the movement, they would label the company misogynist, sue them, and introduce policies that make it even HARDER, RISKIER, and MORE EXPENSIVE to hire women.
If men's prison rates rise: "Are men bigger jerks than ever?"
If women's prison rates rise: "Are women under more pressure than ever?"
The Norwegian prison system owes its success to understanding those who misbehave, and the same goes for its social programs.
In US-style feminism, as in US prisons, there's little desire to understand and more desire to punish. This only fuels a divide that we shouldn't have.
I don't particularly care one way or another about feminism, so long as it isn't shoved down my throat.
My personal opinion however is that those that are outspoken tend to be extremist, which gives it a bad name. On the whole it appears a pretty much useless movement... What is it doing? What changes have been made that wouldn't have been easily made by a single persons influence?
Of course, that stance does not address the cry for women outside the 'developed' world. Yes. There are plenty of horrible and disturbing things happening to women elsewhere. You should feel ashamed for even bringing that into this conversation.
How can you say that women being stoned oceans away are benefited by Feminism way over here? They are not at all. If you wish to use that as a valid point and not sound like you are grasping at straws, then make action to BENIFIT those poor women rather than using them as an excuse for your cause.
Looking towards those who do not lower themselves to a hypocritic argument, there are indeed cultural bias towards genders. But, as stated on both sides, a lot of that comes from ignorance and stupidity. Why should I be punished for what other men do?
Feminism should be wiped out from the society. We need a sisterhood of Educated responsible women who are mature enough to see themselves as tiny parts of a bigger individual that's the society and do not try to change everything for their empty false definition of "independence" and individuality born from misunderstanding of theses words. We need women who know what is femininity and do not deny the nature of women, who know the structure of the society is heterosexual and the heterosexual males and females are the keepers of the family and the society. We need a group of intelligent educated "heterosexual" women inside families to talk for women, And we need them to be Active against Rape be in favor of women's health and education, to be active against Christian religious values on women to be active towards creating an understanding of their sexuality and its relation with society between both Genders, an understanding to annihilate moral ignorance and bigotry in both genders and make the genders closer from the gap that Christianity made between them instead of parting them by accusing one to some mythical crimes.
And we do not need any activity towards equalizing the genders, and towards any direct economical and political advantages for women.
I'm already talking with some colleagues and friends here and in Germany for creating such a group with standards based on actual study of the society and I will create if I have the time in future. against feminism this rotten movement of bigots who cannot even understand the definition of freedom and independence in the society. the failures in logical reasoning for their own movement that its best use is to be the tool of socialists everywhere.
I get so upset and angry and passionate about this subject, women who think that there are still so many places where equality isn't happening want to bring that to the attention of the world and all they get is berated for daring to call themselves a feminist. Many people who don't like feminists refer to the extreme side of the scale, the radical feminists or the ones who continue to push for equalities that just aren't there. I believe feminism should be about making women confident and to believe in themselves, to fight for the rights of ALL people to be happy, safe and respected. Just because you campaign for animal rights doesn't mean you don't want rights for humans, why does being a feminist mean you don't want equality for men? It just means they are addressing the issues which they are affected by or feel strongly about. I don't know why people insist on believing that all feminists are the same - are we really all that stupid and small minded... really? It's like saying all white people are the same, or all Asian people are good at maths...
I completely, 100% agree. I used to consider myself a feminist, until I realized it's all a bunch of bullshit. And women will judge me and feel betrayed that I don't co-sign the bullsh it. It should be everybody-ism, not feminism. And to be completely honest, I'd rather do a little cooking and cleaning than get up every day and go to my shitty job. Doesn't mean I'm not independent or I'm weak or I'm letting men take advantage of me, just saying I personally wouldn't mind. Ever heard of Matt Forney? Reading his blog made me see feminism for what it really is.
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1. I'm really tired of people saying that feminism isn't needed anymore. Men like to believe that we're "equal" just because we have equal rights under the law but that's looking at the issue at face value. However men will never understand how women are treated in every day life. How a qualified woman is less likely to obtain a job, and even when she does she will get paid less than her male coworkers. How a woman can't walk around at night without clutching to her keys for dear life. How girls are being suspended from school for wearing skirts above their knees while boys will sag their pants below their ass. How there are STILL women all over the world who are treated as property. How one in four college women will be raped and less than half of their perpetrators spend a day in jail. What about the fact that when I was in high school a sixteen year old girl was raped on a SCHOOL fieldtrip. This girl had severe vaginal trauma and suffers from PTSD. She use to be an amazing musician but hasn't played in YEARS. Do you know what the school district did? Not a damn thing. It took them months to even start an investigation. So don't sit here and tell me that we don't need feminism shit like this still happens every fucking day in every country, including western ones. Just because it doesn't effect you doesn't mean it's not valid. Should we all just pretend that racism doesn't exist either? Since all ethnicities are treated fairly under the law (yeah right) does this mean we can all give ourselves a pat on the back and pretend that cases like Treyvon Martin don't happen all of the time. Sure, keep telling yourself that we have equality.
2. Feminist want equality for all women not just the one's in their country. Let's just pretend for a moment that all women were treated equally in USA. Fine. But the point is that majority of women all around the globe don't have the opportunities that we do and we're fighting for them too.
My main problem with feminism is that they claim to be for "equal rights" yet they keep trying to silence men's issues.
AVFM tried to have a conference at the doubletree hotel in detroit and the hotel kept getting death threats from feminists. There are a lot of protest against this conference. They then moved the conference.
Feminists had also violently protested against Warren Farrell in Nov 2012. So basically it was ok when he was supporting feminism yet it's not when he decides to put his effort into helping young men and boys. They want to silence men's issues yet call men privileged when the fact of the matter is that men and women do indeed have their own issues. Feminism also tries to claim many issues are only women's issues, when men do encounter many of the same issues.
It's always the same BS answers too. "We're not all like that." "We're not like 'those' feminists." "Well not all feminists are like that." People are tired of them not owning up to their mistakes. You can throw 5 feminists into a room and each of them will claim the feminist next to them is "not a real feminist" because the term is so broad and everyone thinks they're version of "equality" is the real version when it's just what they think is right.
Their true colors show when someone doesn't join their "movement." Just look at the comments from feminists and how angry they get. Yet men are demonized for joining a men's rights group. They act as if all women should be feminists yet they don't want any men to be men's rights activists and they try to claim it's a hate group yet they're the ones full of all the hate sending all sorts of hateful messages out there.
I read quite a few of the views but they're irritating.
That's not what real feminism is. Feminist, real ones, want you to have a choice of staying at home and working, not that you HAVE to go out to work.
Feminists fight for all the oppressed women in other countries that aren't as lucky as us with the equal opportunities. Countries where little girls get sold off to marriage and spend the rest of her days breeding and raising babies, they want those women to be able to go out and work if they want, not be forced into marriage and babies.
Real feminist are no different to anti racist groups. It's just that you get too many nut jobs on the Internet, and they are ruining a very worthy fight. All those women around the world need these laws and opportunities that we have here in the west.
If you were not in the west, you would of seen your sisters and mother go through some fucked up shit, just because she's a woman, then you would realise what REAL feminists are fighting for, and you'd hate the nut job feminists.
In the true philosophical sense, feminism is the acceptance that things will never quite be always equal, predominately in gender. So they've got it wrong to start.
That said, my friend (who I lost to the crazy fuck world of KSU women's studies) used to tell me I shouldn't let the Catholic Church define me as a desexualized being without desires or self-liberation when I questioned if I was comfortable masturbating with a vibrator at 18. When I decided to get sexually active at 19 & give a guy a BJ, she lashed out at me & said she didn't want to associate with women who demote themselves sexually for men, & I'm the cause of the problem as to why women are so sexually downgraded & objectified.
Dafuq? Feminism is the enemy of women if they're tellnig me I don't measure up either way.
I completely agree with some of what is on the blog but the one thing you fail to comprehend (and probably them too) is that just because feminism isn't needed in the western world anymore and you are not oppressed doesn't mean there's not a world out there who do have oppressed women. All I see is signs of women who say they aren't victims. Well whoop deee friggen doo. So that doesn't mean thereother women out there who aren't victims either? It's always easy to speak when you come from your first world country, with a decent background, Ipad, Iphone, food in your kitchen and lots of other privileges. Yes modern feminism takes it too far in *some* and *extreme* cases but I feel like people these days are so fucking selfish and don't understand that the world is BIG. The world doesn't just exist out of your nice first world country. There's a lot of battles out there that still needs to be fought. As a person from a third world country I see life with a different perspective than so many people from first world countries seem too. I guess that's the irony of the matter. You get born with a silver spoon in your mouth and then think no one in this world can suffer or be worse off than you because look at all the things you have and the zero oppression you face... oh that must mean that everyone else in the world is the same too because it's that way for you.
The world is a big place. Time people wake up and realize what troubles other people are facing and stop looking up their own asses.
My main issue is that we basically have equal rights as men in the western world. Of course there's subtle sexism such as name-calling but there's not much we can do about that besides educate people. Feminism claims to take an "egalitarian" stance now that they see how pointless it pretty much is, but then turns around & only cares about women's issues. If we want equal rights for all then why don't you see, for example, feminist organizations highly supporting domestic violence shelters for men?
Damn when a human being wants to stand up for equality it's always called something other than that. I'm not a feminist but let's be honest men don't want to work like they use to, be providers or be the heads of the house don't blame that shit on feminist for your poor behavior towards women and lack of jobs. Now men can walk around and be lazy because the government will take care of your children if you don't take care of them. Women wouldn't have had to go to work if the cost of living wasn't so fucking high to the point were two incomes are needed. Shit some women don't give a fuck about feminism but get Accused of being feminist just because they work hard and don't put up with shit. My mom had no problem with being a house wife until shit got so tough financially on my dad my mom had to work (this is the same story across America). Women weren't sitting up in universities debating about women's rights, women were fucking just trying to earn some money to help their kids and families out.
no. not significant number
from everything i seen, like 50% of women, when asked, think maybe men have a point about this issue or that issue
but only a small number 'speak out".
ultimately men are to blame. you wanna know why? because misandry would end tommorrow if men stood up for themselves. even if like only 30% of men stood up for themselves and made clear the principle why, thatd be enough. i mean for example boycotting marriage, refusing to date feminists. thats just a couple examples
how can men expect women to respect them when almost all men dont respect themselves
Feminism is a bait-and-switch tactic to make people think it's all about promoting equality. But the activists behind feminism never address societal inequalities toward men; they always convey the woman as the victim for everything. This subconsciously can give women a victim mentality when she's perfectly capable of being successful, and vilifies males as sexists for desiring certain traits in a partner, and their natural sex drive.
Feminism's main goal isn't unity. It's divide-and-conquer to turn women and men against each other.
Obviously, yes. More and more women (and men) are seeing it for what it is. Feminazis can keep telling us we don't understand feminism all they like, and that "not all feminists are like that", that misandrists aren't "true feminists". I do think many self-identifying feminists are for equality and aren't misandric, but I'm not bothered about coffee shop feminists, nobodies who do nothing but post comnents on social media. I'm talking more about political feminists, the ones who affect actual change. Usually they're misandrists and liars. But another thing that annoys me about these feminists is that they don't actuallt call out or even care about misandrists in their movement, all they do is turn a blind eye and say "not all feminists are like that".
Women are denouncing the word feminism because it's cool to do so. They aren't denouncing feminism. Probe them for information and you'll realise 80% of those rejecting feminism are feminists.
Like one feminist already said here, they have no idea what feminism is.
True feminism is cool, and there is nothing wrong with males or females supporting it.
The women that you see wanting to be superior to men are a very tiny minority.
I do agree that when men complain about unfair double standards that said complaints are just swept under the rug. It's a changing trend though.
well ya I would, if there was an issue that was brought to my attention. But I also consider myself a feminist. I believe in equal rights and the sole reason it would be acceptable for me to speak up about an issue concerning men, is feminism.
Being against misandry and for feminism aren't mutually exclusive
Those girls all look very young, I wouldn't be surprise if a lot of them will be terribly embarrassed by those pictures in 10 years or so.
Then a lot of them have valid points, like the woman who says her son deserves respect, which yes he does. (though I'm sure a lot of anit feminists would argue that respect is earned ) but that sentence is just no logical follow up to "I don't need feminism" What? Or the one that says "I don't need feminism because all my friends are men" those things are not even related. Well aside from that having the choice to have men as friends is greatly due to feminism. Before that women wouldn't have been alone with a non related male
Men complaining about sexism is just as ridiculous as white people whining about "reverse racism."
It happens on such a small scale that it's not even worth acknowledging, especially when white people are the most privileged ethnicity in the world. The same is true with men. Are there women out there who hate men? Absolutely. But it's so childish to sit around and bitch about it when we live in a male dominated world. Pick your battles, Buddy.
Women against feminism is ridiculous lol that makes as much sense as patriots against America lol you're against your own team?
Hey a lot of girls stand up against sexiest crap including me because really if you don't then your just giving men the authority to think they are leader and guess what they are fuc*king not and then there is this opinion where every body thinks that girls are weaker then guys we'll that wasn't true 20 years ago it's just that every one started that rumor and now all girls believe that and have become extremely self conscious
most men who wax on about misandrists and man hating feminists tend to be the most chauvinistic idiots. if you got a group of mens rights activists together, how many of them probably have dv and assault against women charges?
I was born in a country that treated their women like second-class citizens, and I was raised in another country that reduced women to the level of mere chattel. The situation hasn't gotten much better, because I still come across people, even in developed countries, who hold views similar to what I was exposed to as a child.
So please don't tell me we don't need feminism.
I agree, most women are waking up to reality. There is no such thing as fairness, but I do believe we are very close to it.
It does seem more and more women are openly denouncing feminism. It's obviously a good trend.
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