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Wow all I see is a lot of women defending feminisms perceived right to hate all men and seek a gender cleansing making a female only world. Well Misandrists keep in mind when one group enslaves another they strengthen those they enslave while themselves becoming weak and eventually suffer from an uprising.
I consider mysel a feminist and have always spoken out against misandry. But I'm sure you're going to tell me now why you think that's not possible and whatnot.
What women SAY feminism is and what they SHOW it to be are two very different things.
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Broad generalization. Not interested.
A feminist not interested in broad generalization? LAMO.
Nope. A person with a brain not interested in broad generalizations.
I believe in equal rights.
Men, campaign for your issues and I'll listen.
Allow us women to campaign for our issues too - especially in the countries that still need feminism like the Middle East and India.
How about humans campaign for human rights rather than pitting the two genders against each other and mongering hatred, which is all feminism does anymore?
I do care about human rights issues in general, and sign petitions for them.
I don't wish for there to be hatred between the two genders. However some issues are gender-specific, such as female circumcision (which stops women from being able to enjoy sex whereas male circumcision does not have that effect), father's rights (which are often poorly represented, with more favour usually being unfairly given to the mother), etc.
"I don't wish for there to be hatred between the two genders."
I'm sorry but you cannot believe that statement and support feminism at the same time. Feminism is about women against men, period. The women at the website I linked recognize that. More and more do every day. You're a dinosaur. A relic.
We are campaigning, you just haven't heard about it because the mainstream media ignores us and feminists try shutting us down. google Big Red.
Yes they are and yes they are not. For the most part they are not and many women that are against it when asked on the subject don't even know why and then they are told about voting rights, domestic abuse, equal pay etc then they know why. This generation doesn't focus itself on history and knowledge for the most part. They do know how to twerk at least. We are nearing the last stage of true equality of women. I would have to say that Black woman have the most work to do and then black men and Hispanic men. Things are relatively close to equal in western society for women but yes of course many 3rd world countries, communist and especially Islamic countries have so much more to go with women's and human rights.
Feminism today is nothing like it was years ago when it had valid goals that needed to be attended to. The reason young women today don't support feminism is because they see it objectively, without the bitterness that women had back then (and feminists still have today). They see clearly there is no valid need for it today to offset all the harm it is doing.
The educated and ones with common sense support a lot of feminism's causes and none of the fanatics. Seems like maybe you are a little bit too fired up about this? Can I ask you something?
lol I guess not
those girls have no clue what feminism is.. they all look 14 too.. so i don't wonder why..
Yeah that's what all feminists say..."you don't know what 'real' feminism is", and they continue to say it while the majority of feminists continue to do all the bad shit they do. At some point you have to pull your head out and realize that the dictionary definition is not reality. The reality of feminism is what feminists have been saying and doing every day for years, and those things are what #WomenAgainstFeminism are speaking out against.
Who cares what the text book says when feminists are not doing what the textbooks say they do?
Those girls have a much better grip on reality that you do.
even if all of those "horrible things" feminist do to men was true.. its not even close to being even in society... i think its funny that if it happens to you for 3 years you crawl up in a little ball and cry but if happens to women for thousands of years its fine "because that just how life is" LOL.. men who are so defensive about feminist are insecure little pussies who can't even imagine being treated less than what society has allowed to take advantage of.. i think if you ever have kids especially a daughter , you will have a new found respect for some of the "man hating things" feminist say... i have never considered myself a feminist but you really make me think about it.. :/
Not a feminist, eh? Why not?
It's probably good you're not one since you'd get hell from your feminist sisters for using female genitalia as an insult. LOL. Oh, the hypocrisy...
I do have a daughter, by the way, and my wife and I would never allow her to be a feminist if we can help it. She will learn that she is capable of being and doing whatever she wants WITHOUT the help of a bunch of whiny bitches "advocating" for her. She will not be taught she is a incapable victim just because she is female and she will learn that men are not evil despite what the nasty feminists say.
lol "feminist sisters"... sorry i didint read past than it sounds to dumb and funny for me to take the rest of it seriously...
Oh my gosh, feminists don't believe that they need a group in order to be equal or empower themselves, if you keep listening to children about what feminism is then you are just going to look like a colossal prick. You can't base your argument on what some little girls have been told feminism is, please tell me you aren't that stupid, because if you are, God help us as you have already bred.
I don't know why this is so hard for feminists to understand... NO ONE but feminists believe the dictionary definitions of feminism anymore because the ACTIONS of feminists SHOW it isn't accurate. Actions speak louder than words and the actions and words of modern feminists are totally at odds with each other.
"NO ONE but feminists believe the dictionary definitions of feminism anymore" Maybe that's because those who understand what feminism is actually about are all feminists, because actual feminism is so obviously a good idea. Now, those people who have no clue what feminism actually is are those who are against it, largely because of their skewed viewpoints.
Most of the things on that blog don't even make any sense, but ok.
They don't make sense to you because you are blinded by your feminism. Thankfully, they make perfect sense to a majority of men AND women today.
Nah. People who keep spouting about feminists hating on men and wanting to be superior don't really have a clue what feminism is all about.
But whatever. You are blinded by your hatred, so it's not as if you'll change your mind.
Yeah, I keep hearing about how "real" feminists are not like that, but where are those "real" feminists? All we ever see are the "bad ones". Where are the "real" feminists who actually care about both genders? Why is it that it's ALWAYS the bad ones and NEVER the good ones we see actually doing anything?
Well, I'm not an extremist, soooo... hi.
I have read your comments on GAG in which you deny and minimize male issues, so yes, you are a sexist.
Regardless, if you're a feminist, you support extremism.
Deny and minimize? Lmao, I've pretty much acknowledged most of the popular male issues and I agree that we need to do something about them. But alright, cool.
I have never seen you acknowledge them but I most certainly have seen you deny them. So either you're lying or contradicting yourself. But then you ARE a feminist.
Oh really? Wellp. I don't know how many times I've spoken against the whole "be a man" thing, and I don't know how many times I've said that it's so sad that men are trained to not express their emotions at a very young age, which can easily lead to depression and suicide. Actually, I'm assuming that the societal pressure men face when *having* to succeed in everything while at the same time being emotionless robots is the leading cause of why suicide rates are so high among men. Also why alcoholism occurs a lot more among males.
Seems like you haven't checked out enough of my answers, since you have conveniently missed all of them where I talked about these problems.
Also, can you please link me to one of my answers where I've denied the problems that male face?
No I can't provide links because GAG's search function sucks, but anyone who has been here at GAG long enough has read your anti-male rhetoric.
"Emotionless robots"? That's nothing more than typical feminist ignorance and nastiness.
Male suicide is a far more complex issue than that. It has nothing to do with "training". Male and female brains are different from birth. Where are all you feminist activists fighting for more funds to be devoted to understanding why so many males commit suicide rather than just blaming it on patriarchy and misogyny (the standard feminist excuse for everything)? You say they exist but no one ever sees them.
Where are the feminist activists fighting for the government to fund studies of male alcoholism? I've never seen them.
Where are the feminist activists who attend conferences on male problems so they can better understand them? The only feminists anyone ever sees attending those are the ones protesting them.
In a recent discussion you said that even though males are more often victims of violence than women it's different because it's males who perpetrate it, inferring that male victims are somehow at fault for the actions of other males. Typical feminist logic.
In a recent discussion you said there is no reason for concern about the fact that 75% of failing grades in our public schools are given to males and that fewer than 40% of college graduates are males today.
You sound very hypocritical. You sound like a feminist.
Dude, I wasn't being serious when I said "emotionless robots". I said "emotionless robots", because that's the way society wants you to act. I never said anything about personally thinking that you're "emotionless robots"? You're literally grasping at straws. I said that I think it's a SHAME that people expect men to act like that.
And of course I think it's more complex than that, but I can't take every little detail into consideration when I have a 1000 character limit, now can I? I didn't even mention the patriarchy or misogyny, so where the hell did you get that from? Stop putting words in my mouth. If you want me to take you seriously, you better start taking me seriously too, and stop acting like I'm saying things that I'm not.
If you can't find a link, then please roughly quote me on an "anti-male rhetoric" that I've put in one of my opinions on here.
As for feminist activists wanting to focus mainly on women's rights, can you blame them?
Feminism IS a movement that mainly focuses on women's rights, there's no denying that. But that doesn't mean that we don't want to support men at all, or that we somehow want to become superior. It simply means that we're spending more time focusing on our own issues. And I'm sorry for the protesters you get.
I never said that male victims are at fault when it comes to assault. Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I simply stated that male-on-male assault is more common than female-on-male assault. I don't see how that's victim shaming. Of course any victims of assault are NOT to blame for getting assaulted, ever.
And lol, I never said that it wasn't a concern at all. Again, putting words in my mouth. I don't have time for this. I have better things to do than talk to someone who only sees and reads what he wants to see and read. You're twisting my words to make them fit your hate against feminism. Bye.
In this very question, in response to this: "As a man you are MORE likely than a woman to be assaulted."
YOU wrote this: "Yeah, by other men."
Those are YOUR words, copied and pasted. Now tell us EXACTLY what you meant to imply by that.
Spare me the "putting words in my mouth" bullshit. This is just one example of your anti-male rhetoric. I have read dozen of your feminist related comments here at GAG over the months and there is no question about your anti-male views. Don't tell me I'm misquoting you or misinterpreting what you have written because that's complete bullshit.
I will at least give you credit for acknowledging that feminism does not care equally about male and female issues. The truth is that feminism does give one fuck about men, but they lie about it constantly, saying they care equally about both genders. That's a fucking lie and is one of the big reasons no one respects feminism anymore. You at least are not 100% dishonest like most feminists. That's a start. Care to take another step?
I'm going to paste something I wrote elsewhere so forgive the duplicate, but it's is relevant here as well...
Feminism is as feminism does. Feminism says it cares about equality for both genders. Now, tell me what feminism is doing to SHOW they care about men.
Where are the feminist activists fighting for fathers who usually don't get custody of their children in child custody disputes?
Where are the feminist activists fighting for equality in sentencing between men and women for the SAME crimes?
Where are the feminist activists fighting for something to be done about the fact that 4 males commit suicide in the US today for every one female?
Where are the feminist activists fighting for change in our public schools system to address the fact that 75% of failing grades are given to boys?
Where are the feminist activists fighting for something to be done about the fact that less than 40% of college graduates today are males?
Where are all those "good" feminists? They are in-fucking-visible.
I'll tell you what the feminists we CAN see are doing. They are violently protesting at EVERY conference on men's issues, trying to shut them down.
They are arguing at every opportunity to that men's issues are not important because they threaten to take the spotlight away from women's issues.
They are fighting against a "war on women" that has NOTHING to do with gender. The abortion issue is an ideological debate with equal numbers of men and women on both sides.
They are spewing misandry all over the internet everyday.
Those are the ONLY things we can SEE feminists DOING.
Where are the "good feminists" fighting for something to be done about the fact that 93% of workplace DEATHS are men? That's not talking about what some guy said about women... it's talking about DEATH. Do you get it?
What you need more than anything is to stand in the shoes of a man for one day and see how absurdly selfish and hypocritical modern feminists sound. You are simply incapable of caring about men. THAT is the clearest message feminism sends today by what it DOES. What is SAYS is irrelevant.
"They are arguing at every opportunity to that men's issues are not important because they threaten to take the spotlight away from women's issues."
"They are spewing misandry all over the internet everyday."
"You are simply incapable of caring about men. THAT is the clearest message feminism sends today by what it DOES. What is SAYS is irrelevant."
I am convinced that you only think this way because you refuse to pay attention to anything that contradicts your views. I myself run into plenty of examples of feminists acknowledging men's issues and supporting men's rights, so I honestly think that you just get your views on feminism from places that only show the bad parts. And yes, if you wanted I would be more than happy to furnish you with some examples, because unlike you, I actually cite my sources and am capable of giving concrete proof.
Feminism consists of two groups, egalitarians and feminazis. They need to split.
Not true. The problem with feminism is not just feminiazis. None of them care about men, only women.
If I want to create a group that wants to eradicate all gender expectations and stereotypes and just tell people that "generalization is an error, the behavior of males and females isn't primarily defined by their genitalia therefore all of your statements hold no value in a real life setting", what would it be called? :D Masculinity and femininity cause a bunch of stupid problems anyways.
Name it something gender neutral. But more importantly, have is give equal consideration to both genders and not foster hatred for one or the other. Feminism fails all of those.
Hatred is meaningless. Your genitals don't make you neither a better nor a worse person. Your thoughts, concepts, values and behavior do.
Correct, hatred is meaningless which is why feminism needs to go. Hatred is the fuel that drives feminism, not a quest for equality.
What even is misandry? Pray tell, how are men of the world being oppressed or mistreated? You're like the most privileged people out there. Just shut up.
Thank you for making my point. You as a feminist don't even know what misandry is despite the fact that your feminist sisters spew it everywhere, every day. The spell checker here at GAG doesn't even recognize the word, which is pretty sad.
I don't even consider myself a feminist. I'm just a person pointing out that you're being ridiculous.
Feminism and misandry are not the same thing.
Feminism and misandry are not the same thing in the same way exhaust pipes and exhaust are not the same thing.
Misandry is not cool, but they are not the same. It seems some feminists take things too far though. I don't believe in gender roles. Everybody love everybody!
"Everybody love everybody" is NOT what feminism is about. You are blind if you don't see that.
wow... you seem angry
I am angry... at feminists. So are all of the women posting here... https://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/
We all should be angry at anyone who fosters sexism and hatred toward others, and that clearly includes feminists.
ok, I thought you were getting angry with me for a second. I see you have passion and that is good. I totally agree with you. I agree with the most helpful, I also dont mind staying home and taking care of my family.
Yes, I am passionate about fairness for EVERYONE, not just one gender.
I am passionate about my sons not being born into a world in which they are made to feel ashamed simply because of their gender.
I am passionate about my daughters not growing up believing that men are bad by default and that they are victims simply because they are females.
I am passionate about ridding the world of the hatred and distrust for which feminism is responsible.
Thanks for being one of the good ones.
You are welcome!