Putting aside all these "there are no masculine or feminine attributes, it's just a gender construct" arguments, many of us still hold a certain idea of masculinity and femininity whether we consider it a gender construct or not and I'm curious to see what's your opinion on the topic. We might have different ideas and expectations when it comes to what we consider feminine or masculine, so I wanted to ask: What are the Masculine and Feminine attributes in your opinion? What makes a man masculine and woman Feminine? - 1) Physically wise: - 2) Personality wise: You can answer only for the opposite gender or both, or yours. Thank you ^_^
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PS: I don't necessarily agree with this chart. It's just a way to look at things so I shared it :)
What are the Masculine and Feminine attributes in your opinion?
Huh. Wow, I never realized this, but I've never really thought of it before.
I don't really have an idea of gender, personally. I only know that I'm am only attracted to men who attracted to women, whether they are hetero or bi makes no difference to me. Just like anyone else, I have a "type", but this doesn't define my idea of what a man is or should be. It only speaks to what I find attractive.
The person is whatever they tell me they want to be when I meet them.
Beyond that I guess if I'm seeing them from afar I will assume the following: if it has full grown facial hair, hairy chest/back, or an obvious "Adam's apple", it must be a guy. Every other feature can show up naturally on either sex under an array of conditions.
I'm a heterosexual female, but a lot off people assume that I'm a lesbian simply because my wardrobe is "manly" and because I don't act very "ladylike".
I don t think this chart defines it at all... I always thought people's personality is very fluid therefore I don't like to give it a certain label. Even if you refuted it in your description, I do think society morphed the way we think unconsciously, creating those stereotypes... For instance, I am actually a very calm and logical person... not emotional at all but I don t think this makes me less of a female... I think people formed their personality mainly based on their past experiences, culture, upbringing etc... more than their sexe... sure hormones play a role but its effect is minimal in comparison to other factors.
- tall - muscler - deep voice - body hair - facial hair - short to medium hair - dark features - physical strength - being heterosexual - not being a feminist - being independent - having a job - confidence - being modest - not being whiny - knowing how to fix things when they broke - not being a cheater, player or a fuckbuddy - knows to deal with hard situations.
As for women:
- curves - boobs - ass - long and straight hair (just like yours :p) - soft voice - knowing how to cook - being submissive in bed ( 😉 but I don't mean as in being a humiliated sex slave). - no body hair - being modest - knowing how to deal with kids - not being a feminist - being heterosexual - not being a hoe - being classy in how she dresses
First of: masculinity is associated with men, in that men are socially expected to be masculine/manly, while femininity is associated with women in that they are socially accepted to be feminine/womanly.
As for homosexuality:
I think a "man" being "sexually attacked" to something that the majority of women are sexually attracted to when the majority of men are not sexually attracted to, makes him somehow feminine (aka less of a man). Same goes to lesbians.
As for promiscuity:
Masculinity and femininity are also associated with values /morals of being a good husband/wife, and in holding the responsibility of being that. Players, cheaters, fuckboys and whores aren't obviously qualified for that.
@YourFutureEx "Morals don't count in gender. Morals count in 'humanity', not 'masculinity' or 'femininity'"
That's true,, I didn't say something else: however the impression is where it differs, the values are the same for both genders, but having the values of being a good husband who is capable enough to raise a great family and buliding a successful relationship with his wife gives the impression that he is a real man, thus manlier than those manwhores losers. Thus it's a part of masculinity by the means of what kind of person you are.
- a woman having the values of being a good wife and mother who is capable to raise a family with her husband and building a successful relationship with him gives the impression that she is a real woman. More feminine in what kind of person she is instead of what she looks like.
"And as for majority/minority thing. "Majority" of guys 'want to' be promiscuous. Contradiction." ?
I don't know what you are smoking but at that point, I was talking about homosexuality not promiscuity. I didn't say the the majority of guys/girls want/don't want to be promiscuous, and keep in mind that masculinity and femininity aren't necessarily opposites.
"Furthermore, based on your conclusion, homosexuals have no gender at all?"
Not sure how you concluded that, but gender would remain as an empty titles if you can't fit in it. Homosexual guys are males, homosexual girls are females, duh. But there is a different between being a man by title, and being a a real man.
You are just including emotions. Personal emotions and perception. Just because you had sex, it WON'T deride your values as a man, woman, husband or wife. There's nothing about masculinity or femininity here.
"As for homosexuality: I think a "man" being "sexually attacked" to something that the majority of women are sexually attracted to when the majority of men are not sexually attracted to, makes him somehow feminine (aka less of a man). Same goes to lesbians."
You were judging based on 'majority' that's why.
And how did you include the "being heterosexual is masculinity/femininity"?
"Not sure how you concluded that, but gender would remain as an empty titles if you can't fit in it. Homosexual guys are males, homosexual girls are females, duh. But there is a different between being a man by title, and being a a real man."
Males and females are SEX not GENDER. Do you have any idea?
- well, in your perspective it may not, in mine it does. Morality is subjective. So is masculinity and femininity, between individuals and between societies as a whole.
- I already answered this.
- yes you are right on this one, I made a mistake in answering that. However it doesn't matter for me in most cases because gender is associated with sex (generally and socially speaking). Being masculine (gender) is associated with being a male (sex). So does feminine/female.
But I actually answered your question already before you even ask it. As for homosexuals, gays: being attracted to men is a feminine trait, therefore gays are feminine in this area. So does lesbian being attracted to girls (masculine trait), therefore they are masculine in this area.
Dude, I'm not criticising you (now don't ask me "when did I say?" Lol) I'm just clearing the doubts that you're confusing between gender and sex (which you already accepted. Good!) And humanity with masculinity/femininity. If you still want to hold your opinion, it's okay. Be happy :)
Well I just want to point out that their is a difference between men and women to such an extreme degree that every hard science has proved it as ones own innter world and the world as they experience it so to ignore that is just choosing to be willfully ignorant. That said: Male: strong, honorable, teacher/father, selfless, protector, loyal, reason, problem solving Female: Nurturing, loving, empathetic, gentle, supportive, feeling These would be what I consider to be male/female characteristics, at least in their purest form obviously as with all things their are negatives but these are the ones I feel we should aspire to.
- masculinity : emotional stoicism, aggression, violence, stubbornness, also reckless risk-taking. - femininity : emotional instability and volatileness, passivity, vainness (think usage of makeup), inferiority to and unconditional reliance on masculinity to balance out passivity.
Real masculine should be ( protective , strong , honest, strong emotionaly, being violence when necessary, being heterosexual, having strong responsibility, Helping feminine in situations that need physical power and also helping them imotionaly, faithful, and most of it being a Gentleman ).
Real Feminine should be (kind , honest, faithful, being soft emotionaly , helping masculine emotionaly coz they can control masculine emotions, being motherlike , being heterosexual , having responsibility).
Men: - put things across very simply and don't need as many words as women do. - able to separate emotions from logic most times. - have more endurance. - are not prone to pettiness and gossip.
Women: - notice some details visually that men don't. - tend to be less political-minded - prefer to have men be men and take the lead - have lungs that do better at higher altitudes than men (this is an actual anatomical fact, lol).
Those charts are pretty accurate, I'd agree with almost all of whats on there. Most people do have a balance of both, but science has proven that testosterone and estrogen have different effects on the brain. To say gender is entirely social is plain wrong, we are biologically predetermined to exhibit different traits.
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Interesting chart seeing that women don't have common sense. lol
In my personal experience, logic and reason always get thrown out the door when she gets emotional. Guys seem to have a better handle on their emotions than women.
@YourFutureEx It's weird to determine the "definitive male behavior" if nobody really adheres to it as a male, and some females still behave just the same way, lol.
What makes a guy masculine to me: Doing his own thing, telling it like it is whether you're male or female, not succumbing to peer pressure or temptation, completely dominates you in bed, calm, collected, intelligent.. yummmmm!
What makes a girl feminine: Classy, beautiful, clean, sexual and sensual, proper.. just really lady-like and beautiful but not snobby or arrogant or anything. Just mature and sexy. Or cute and innocent.
When you look at it physiologically, masculine energy is about power, strength, size, it's about going out into the world and making it your bitch, it's about providing and competing and being direct. Feminine energy is about being open, inviting and receiving, nurturing.
I grew up feeling so annoyed because I have mostly so-called masculine personality traits and my parents were always chastising me for it. I'm glad kids today can grow up now being in touch with the opposite gender energy without so much hassle.
To me a man should be : Wise Have some kind of intelligence at least Merciful Loyal Lover Tall Got some kinds of muscles at least Got a beard
And a women to me should be : Gorgeous Kind Can actually be a mother Loving Funny Boobs and ass for sure lol Soft voice Long hair i love long hair lol Dress modestly but in style Smart and intellectual
feminine: 1) physical - high rounded cheekbones, symmetrical, good skin, soft facial features generally, good waist-to-hip ratio 2) personality - emotional (many times to the point of being nonsensical), nurturing, charming
@multilevel yes. What she says. Sex is the difference between the genetilia while gender is the difference between the traits like whether you're masculine or feminine.
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