2nd Part Conclusion of Article: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-behavior/a24039-the-focus-of-gender-issues-should-be-shifted-towards-egalitarianism
Elaboration is Required on the Broad Topic of Men's Rights
Not all criticisms were feminist oriented. Some of the men's rights advocates and equalitarians also suggested that MORE detail was required clarifying men's issues - a highly detailed and broad topic. One user in particular addressed this quite thoroughly:
'The statistic is that 80% of all assualt/mugging/murder victims are male. For the sexual assualt/rape yes its about 40% but that is only rape by women, the number of men being raped in prison is actually significantly higher then women being raped and men being raped (outside of prison) combined making men far more likely to be raped then women by both men and women. Then when we factor in that we as a society refuse to acknowledge that men are raped by women. Tthe 40% statistic comes from the CDC where they listed it as being "forced to penetrate"(a woman forcing herself onto a man ie rape) which they even listed as a sexual assualt instead of rape despite the fact that by definition it was, thus showing how far we go to ignore this which in turn means that their is a good probability that the number is much higher then that its simply not being reported due to constant ridicule and belittlement. As for living longer, also its true plus female specific diseases get more funding from the government then male ones despite the fact that men are more likely to get them then women (women have a 33% probability of devoloping cancer as opposed to mens 50% yet you never see much fund raising for male centric cancers) Women also have to pay less for health insurance by law (despite using it more) yet men are still required to pay more for life insurance since they are more likely to die sooner then women. Also fun fact, a man has to have permission from his wife to cash out a pention since it was created specificly as a safe guard to take care of her when he inevitablly died. For number 5, actually statisticly men are more likely to be emotionally abused in a relationship then a woman by a significant margin, and is also more likely to be physically abused as well. Men have less parental rights and no reproductive rights to speak of (if a woman is pregnant and she doesn't want the baby and he does, she is legally allowed to abort, if she wants the baby and he does not, he has to pay child support. In both scenarios she has all the power he has none of it. If a woman chooses not to be a mother and aborts she is not shamed for it, if a man chooses not to be a father he is a deadbeat.) You also forgot to mention that 98% of work place deaths are men, that 70% of all homeless are men, that their is highering quotas for women in male dominated fields but none for for men in female dominated fields. Nor did you mention the feminization of education.'
Another user talked more specifically about the feminisation of education, although her stance was from a more neutral perspective:
'Also, I saw nothing about how more boys fall behind & drop out of school. I don't buy into "feminization" because teachers have long been mostly female. Nor do I believe boys should be allowed to be noisy and rowdy in class. My grandpa couldn't even kick his legs in class and actually graduated a year early. I DO think, though, that boys need breaks and exercise more, and that they seem more affected by chemicals in foods. Also that they are over educated, when better diets and exercise would do the trick. Class sizes are so big that teachers can't be expected to handle unruly students in top of trying to teach 30+ kids. But the structure could be set up so kids get more time to move, etc.'
Another user talked more generally about issues I neglected to mention:
'Also, men have a huge disadvantage in family courts about custody, and are still forced to pay alimony even though women have the same economical possibilities as men nowadays.
Men get longer prison sentences than women for the same crimes.
I'm not totally against this, but it is nonetheless not equal.
Young boys in school are discriminated against for being boys. They are punished for being boys and not calm as young girls.
Men are about 40% of victims of domestic abuse (women being the perpetrator). And they are often not taken seriously if they report it, or laughed at for not being manly enough.'
'Stop Bitching'
Some users also think it is unmasculine or unhelpful to 'whine' about men's rights:
'I'm getting really sick of hearing MRAs whining about their feels...If you're a cis white male, life is easy for you...good luck on finding a shoulder to cry on'
'You are stupid. Mens rights compares little to feminism or millennia of womens subjugation'
'Real men don't worry about all that shit. Seriously. You emasculate yourself, so stop blaming women. All the guys on here constantly whining about this stuff sound like total wimps. You do it to yourself.'
However, I think egalitarianism is (or should be) about more than unconstructive complaining, it is a defense mechanism and a useful ideological tool in promoting democracy, since just one right violated - however small or trivial - is sometimes a slippery slope towards undermining more fundamental human rights. Furthermore, I agree that the onus is on men as individuals to overcome their own gender issues (which are not necessarily worse than female gender issues) and tackle them with powers of assertiveness and self-improvement. As a society, however, we can prevent issues for any particular group (racial, gender or ethnic based) through positive, constructive attitudes and egalitarianism.
Conclusion
On a lighter note, I would like to conclude with the following message:
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As you know, I have read your first take, and I have read both of these follow ups. I'm going to challenge a few of your statements again.
The first is the rape issue, in a recent study it is found that men are just as likely to be victims of sexual assault as women (I'll include a link), and the idea of prison rape is not nearly the issue that many people think it is (by far the most common types of sexual assault in prison is actually guards assaulting inmates rather then inmate on inmate rape. One reason for this is the total lack of empathy to rapists in prison, and a rapist is a rapist regardless if he/she is raping men or women and in most "hard" prisons rapists [again even prison rapists] are open season, and are usually killed or maimed if they are not put into protective custody quickly And it's extremely hard to rape inmates from solitary confinement.). I am a victim of rape (female perpetrators) and I have spoken to other victims both men and women, and I've seen no psychological difference to victimization by gender.
A few links you might find interesting:
www.slate.com/.../...n_are_sexually_assaulted.html
www.cnn.com/.../
thoughtcatalog.com/.../
Please don't get me wrong I believe in Mens rights, and that there is such a thing as toxic femininity. And I applaud your work. It's damaging to your points if you don't keep to facts, or minimize others situations or pain though. If you want more info on these subjects or others hit me up, I collect this kind of information. Good takes by the way
Some good points and apologies because I kind of skimmed over some of your points in the last thread (I was dealing with a lot of posters), so I didn't really notice that you were coming from a pro-male rights perspective. Those links are very useful, yes and I am very interested in facts / statistics on this subject, in particular 1,6,7 & 9 (you have given a lot of thought on 2).
'I am a victim of rape'
Sorry to hear.
'I have spoken to other victims both men and women, and I've seen no psychological difference to victimization by gender. '
Did you speak to victims of male on male sexual assault, specifically anal rape.
Also, if you have anything about UK men's rights that would be awesome.
For the feminization of education I would say we can state that this is the case. As female graduation rates increase and the number of female teachers (as well as the number of women who create the curriculums) increase you see a decrease in both male attendence and graduation. This has been increasing since the focus shifted towards women, if you look at the statistics almost all children with "learning disabilities" are male.
www.ourkidsfirstfoundation.org/.../...ographic.png
60% of all college graduates are female something which was not the case before the focus on female students. The focus has been on females rather then males, things that females excell at like cooperative tasks vs male centric competetive tasks have been pushed in schools making it much more hostile to male students.
interesting take, i read the first one, as well as part one to this. i do agree that men's issues need to be taken just as seriously as women's, because both genders have problems that need to be addressed and resolved, so as a society we should be moving more towards this, with no bias of gender. especially we start to factor in the LGBT who don't fit the gender norms, and are becoming more prevalent.
however feminism is still needed in places when women are actually oppressed. which is an issue that doesn't come up very often. now the key here is getting people to actually do something about it.
thanks for reading it, I wasn't expecting very many people to marathon their way through the first part let alone the 2nd part. I was mainly just going to use it as a reference guide to any new objections that came up from the original article.
'however feminism is still needed in places when women are actually oppressed.'
I would say that the main area women's liberation should be focussed now is on representation: more female executives, more female politicians, more female leaders in general. This seems like the most effective way to tackle the patriarchal nature of the establishment. Otherwise in society by and large, gender issues remain relatively similar in terms of magnitude (as I've proven by contrasting the men's disadvantages with women's): egalitarians can focus on both female and male issues.