Your friends circumstances aside (I'm not commenting on that) yeah, I'd have to agree if we're the breaker it's planned for awhile before going through with it. Every time I've done it I wanted to make sure I was actually making the right decision and not being rash. That's not to say I'd have anyone lined up ready to go, but emotionally and starting to make plans if I had to move or buy new furniture, any complications etc I'd try and cover those before making the jump
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did you find yourself "testing" your ex more when after you started coming to this decision?
Hmm I don't think "test" is the right thing. I'd try to fix the things that were bothering me about the relationship but if he wasn't receptive I'd just leave it. It's a compatibility problem if we aren't willing to meet in the middle
yeah my 2nd to last ex wanted to have a "talk" about a week before our breakup. I took that as wanting to break up which I wasn't ready for. We met up and I just smiled at her (rude I know) and we broke up a week later. The real reason I just smiled is because I was scared of her dumping me right there and then and I felt defiant. It was a huge mistake to do that and I still think the break up would have happened regardless (although I did kiss her, embrace her after that... she started crying). However I should have heard her out.
It's understandable though, what person doesn't panic and either shut down or over compensate when they hear the "we need to talk". My last one (long time ago now though) was because we just had different lifestyle ideas. He wanted to live in the city but only work three days a week so he could pursue his passions with music. While I respect his wanting to do things he enjoyed I wasn't happy paying the majority of our rent to live in the city when I was happy living further out and I grew resentful that I had to work fulltime to support his decisions when I wasn't getting a fair compromise. So I tried to talk to him several times about it and edge around maybe getting a higher paying job, or working the same days but longer hours but he wouldn't meet me half way so I ended it. I don't think that's testing him, just trying to see if I could fix what was broken 😊
I agree that it is bs you had to pay most of the rent and work full time. However I can't help but wonder, were you drew to him by the fact he was a musician in the first place?
Lord no, not at all lol. He was working full time when we started, but didn't like his job which I understood. He wanted to go part time for a bit and find some happiness and got back into it then starting talking about that being his career. I tried (probably not well if I'm honest) to be supportive but I'm pretty cynical about that kind of thing
Alright considering what you told me your decision was fair. I was a former pro fighter (and part time actor in commercials). I had one of my exes get really turned on by this initially. However when she saw the sacrifice and mental roller coaster this lifestyle required she got turned off. MMA is not a "hobby" if you want to be successful. Most guys are broke and struggling in the beginning. However it was an example of how some women "portray" their fantasies of what a guy is in the early stages. Then reality hits and they get turned off.
I can definitely see that. The reality of such things - particularly in professions where you need a "big break" is never glamourous when you're climbing to the top and then the hard word to stay there can be just as difficult. It's a sad thing though, of your partner wants to reap the benefits of those things (the attractiveness, the social status and any financial or social benefits) but isn't willing to support you in the hard yards
She was supportive in the beginning. I also was 110% "alpha" because I had a title fight in he beginning. But it took an incredible amount of sacrifice to achieve this. It set a precedent that was near impossible to maintain.
Thing is ALL women test men in relationships. Some more than others but they ALL do. Many men get lulled into thinking they can let lose their problems and insecurities more. I felt like I had the ability to do this because me ex said "I love you" first and she continued to do so for 6 months (year relationship). She meant it in that moment. But when things got rough all of the sudden that didn't mean jack anymore. Guys remember this but most women seem to conveniently forget it later if they want to break up.
I completely agree that women test men - but I can't say that it's at the end when we're getting ready to break it off. I've challenged all of my partners as a way to make sure they were a suitable match - and I don't mean as a concious thought "I'm going to try and be a pain in the ass and fuck up his day" but if we've reached a conflict or point of contention I'd push it harder to see how we would resolve. I can definitely be a brat - if my husband took all of my attitude we honestly wouldn't work. He knows when to tell me to wake up to myself, and when I'm being serious to have a genuine issue we need to resolve. He keeps me in balance, and as a result has taught me to control and recognise my own emotions. But I've never, ever felt the need to push boundaries at the end of a relationship, just trying to fix what was broken and when that doesn't work it's just over. Others might be different, but I haven't seen that pattern in my friends or family
What you described is very common with women. You ladies are literally born with that "testing" complex. That's frustrating and depressing. However I would almost accept it if it wasn't for modern feministic society that is always telling women that their decisions are ALWAYS justified (not saying you are a feminist but western society in general).
I honestly feel bad for my friends ex. He's partly reponsible for this I'm sure. But he gets far less support/respect after the break up than she does. It's going to be much harder for him to recover.
I haven't seen that. Men dump women just as often, they aren't weaklings vying for attention waiting to be graced upon them. You seem to view men as incredibly weak beings with women overlords. Relationships don't always work out; such is life. Sure some people don't do it respectfully but thats across both genders. Women are heavily supported by other women because we nurture and look after our friends, as well as being honest about how we're feeling. Societal pressure and men in general don't vocalise as much if they're struggling, and how many deep and meaningful conversations do you start with your mates around their break ups? And it's socially accepted for both genders to be single. The eternal bachelor with his new woman every weekend? You seriously haven't seen this in every single city? Women are empowered when they make that choice because for the majority of time we had to rely on men to survive through marriage or family. Such is not the case now.
I've been more of a "eternal bachelor" in one way or another. I'm well traveled, have dated and slept with close to 40 women and I don't bow to women who disrespect me (admittedly I took a lot of shit in my early 20s but I got smart).
HOWEVER it's very rare for me to find a woman I REALLY like. There is much more at stake for a man to open up emotionally and be vulnerable than a woman. That is WHY these break ups are harder for us. A women is much more likely to get support and find a back up man immediately after a break up. Not so for most men. If we act emotional we get labeled weak plain and simple. A heartbroken man is MUCH less attractive to other women vs. a women who just got out of relationship.
Not sure about plan in advance more than men , I planned & executed the split with my ex wife... she definitely should have seen that coming , I went cold on her months before... she was lazy & just complained constantly.. so I got rid.
One advantage women have is plenty of male options , women are desired by men far more than vice versa , also women have ultra close friendships with each other & well developed support networks... men do not have these in most cases.
i have yet to meet a woman that broke up with her ex witouth having a backup dude already on the side... its extremely common , it happens for multitude of reasons ; unable to pay her own bills if she leaves and end up having to rent her own place on her own ; or she can't take beeing alone so she finds a provisory boyfriend untill she gets a real one again , etc etc...
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I say there is a 50/50 chance there is a back up guy. Classy women take their time to mourn and process. Not all girls are that scandalous.
I'd say without a doubt. Women in general over think so much more than guys do and women can be indecisive also. With guys, when that thought pops in our head, we usually make a decision right then and there and follow through, where a woman will usually go back and forth a bit before she makes up her mind.
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I dunno. I met a very good woman a few years ago that I loved in a every way EXCEPT I just didn't feel that physically attracted to. She was pretty but for some reason it wasn't there. I had to force myself to do it with her.
With that girl I was very indecisive. I hated myself for not wanting her body (she was crazy about me at the time). She eventually dumped me but I drove her to it. Then she turned into a complete piece of shit later but that's another story.
Interesting this was actually my question I wrote as anon when I had a different screen name years ago. However it popped in the top feeds recently for some reason.
Also interesting to see how my thought process was years ago. I was a bit more idealistic back then. More optimistic but growing weary at the same time.
Anyway this poll has gotten close to 500 votes too. Cool.
There is no planning in break up in a normal relationship.
Breakup is only planned in a relationship where both of them know that their relationship has no future, like different religion, shifting to a different country, etc. I personally think it doesn't matter who plans breakup further in advance. But the one who actually does it
There was a point where I was concerned about a relationship I had with one of my best friends. The issue for me was based around the fact that I didn't know if I wanted to marry her. So we broke it off. (got back together a couple months later but still). The point was I had maybe a week's time where things were bugging me or just in the back of my mind, before talking with her about it. I didn't let it build up inside me.
I answered yes. There are a lot of relationship articles and studies about this. Women initiate most breakups / divorces in the U. S., and it is generally accepted knowledge that when a woman acts on her intent to end the relationship that she has already accepted that it is over and has started to move forward from it.
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Women start to leave the marriage emotionally long before they work up the courage to physically leave... many keep hoping something will change but when they don't they leave... I've never know anyone to get a back up guy... a lot of time they aren't even aware of whats going on just that they feel less connected and less connected until they are done then they start looking at options and ways to leave and what not.
"feel less connected and less connected until they are done then they start looking at options and ways to leave and what not" eeeehhhhh isn't this actually confirming what he said? if you go looking for options BEFORE leaving ; then getting a back up guy for whatever motive ; sexual emotional or even financiary before leaving that relationships is exactly that ; if your Relationship dont work you pack and leave ; no need for option looking !
@SENSEI Yes and no, I meant like apartments and trying to find a way to do it on your own or a place to stay maybe (and they usually leave right around that point if it's conscious to them that that's even what they are doing - some peole don't even realize they are looking for a way out at first and will think they are helping out a friend who is apartment hunting and one day it just clicks). No one I knew was looking for romantic options while in a relationship and most had friends to confide in as far as the emotional stuff went just something was lost in communication with their partner and like I said most people can't see it while they are in it and going through it... they try to talk themselves into it being fine until one day they wake up and just feel disconnected and leave and looking back it becomes apparent that at some point they started to check out. Women not feeling emotionally connected is the same as a guy not getting sex... it just doesn't work. men & women are diff
Plan? I'd say more like "fantasize", as modern women are quite delusional. But yes, they typically plan way further ahead in their heads, however, their plans are fundamentally flawed as they're seldom based in reality, thus things don't go as expected as soon as she leaves.
A lot of times, women tend to be more emtional creatures than men. The problem with emotions is that they tend to switch back and forth more easily. Meaning they tend to have more conflicting "requirements" from their partners.
It eventually end up in outburst of frustration in men yelling "Women don't know what they want."
I was debating about breaking up with my first boyfriend for awhile before I finally did. I wasn't sure if we were just in a rough patch or we were genuinely incompatible. I thought if I held out long enough, things would get better and our relationship would improve. By the time I realized the relationship was truly dead, a month or two had passed. It was at that point when I finally pulled the plug and ended it.
I think this is true, and I think it's scary. Because the guy doesn't even see it coming. Perhaps if He understood what was going on, He would try to make things better. I was watching a vlogcast, and there was 3 people on it. One of the guys said He never saw it coming. The second guy said He was divorced twice. And the third was the only one that was still married.
I don't agree. I've only seen guys do this actually. The back up thing without loyalty isn't a typical woman thing. But you can't really generalise everyone of a gender
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well both my last exes did this to me. I noticed a change in their behavior 1-2 months BEFORE the breakup. They both started testing more and paying more attention to my quirks.
@SENSEI Nah I was looking for different colors. My 2nd to last ex I wanted a "break" from but not a permanent "break up". I loved her emotionally, but I just wasn't feeling the spark anymore. Think it was the time I was going through in my life. I lead her to it, but I regret how I did it (acting like a dbag on purpose).
Last ex ghosted me completely with no warning. We dated for 9 months and the last month she pointing out my quirks a lot more. I also was too quick with the quickies. She was one of those girls where you had to be circus freak to finally make her climax in bed.
Anyway it was shitty what she did, but I wasn't really that in "love" with that one (unlike the 2nd to last). I'll get a good pair of glasses.
the three big break-ups In my life have been pland and exequed over thre weeks before hand and maybe longer and I put it to the last one who was my wife for 20 + years if youed put that much in to US. we wouldget on great.
now my exwife satys with me but still has rooms a mile or so away so now we are much better good sex and food all planed out a week ahead and I know she can go any time she wants. she never has!
Yes, totally true, women don't just break up suddenly, but if the guy is attentive with the girls emotions there can be a way to counter this thing, break up with her immediately after you notice the signs with no explanation given. 9 times out of 10 she will come back within a couple of days with a cpmpletely changed mind.
Yes.. I'm not sure really how guys are in this regard but yes I usually plan the end.. I will try to work it out without telling him but if I see no change in him.. I pretty much know it is over and plan my escape..
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I don't know but i know I'm pretty bad at them. I always just suddenly decide I'm done out of nowhere and just end the relationship with a text.
It's fucking horrible i know but on the bright side they get to feel like I'm the bad guy and they'll probably get over it quicker.
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That's not easily answered. Most women are very calculating. I would say she doesn't plan but you'll be on thin ice with her and can be for a while. And then if she talks to the wrong guy. That ice breaks with you at that instance.🤣
So is that really her planning? Or is that her being unhappy for a while and her all of a sudden spotting a greener pasture? To me it's the latter.
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Your friends circumstances aside (I'm not commenting on that) yeah, I'd have to agree if we're the breaker it's planned for awhile before going through with it.
Every time I've done it I wanted to make sure I was actually making the right decision and not being rash. That's not to say I'd have anyone lined up ready to go, but emotionally and starting to make plans if I had to move or buy new furniture, any complications etc I'd try and cover those before making the jump
did you find yourself "testing" your ex more when after you started coming to this decision?
Hmm I don't think "test" is the right thing. I'd try to fix the things that were bothering me about the relationship but if he wasn't receptive I'd just leave it. It's a compatibility problem if we aren't willing to meet in the middle
yeah my 2nd to last ex wanted to have a "talk" about a week before our breakup. I took that as wanting to break up which I wasn't ready for. We met up and I just smiled at her (rude I know) and we broke up a week later. The real reason I just smiled is because I was scared of her dumping me right there and then and I felt defiant. It was a huge mistake to do that and I still think the break up would have happened regardless (although I did kiss her, embrace her after that... she started crying). However I should have heard her out.
It's understandable though, what person doesn't panic and either shut down or over compensate when they hear the "we need to talk".
My last one (long time ago now though) was because we just had different lifestyle ideas. He wanted to live in the city but only work three days a week so he could pursue his passions with music. While I respect his wanting to do things he enjoyed I wasn't happy paying the majority of our rent to live in the city when I was happy living further out and I grew resentful that I had to work fulltime to support his decisions when I wasn't getting a fair compromise. So I tried to talk to him several times about it and edge around maybe getting a higher paying job, or working the same days but longer hours but he wouldn't meet me half way so I ended it. I don't think that's testing him, just trying to see if I could fix what was broken 😊
I agree that it is bs you had to pay most of the rent and work full time. However I can't help but wonder, were you drew to him by the fact he was a musician in the first place?
Lord no, not at all lol. He was working full time when we started, but didn't like his job which I understood. He wanted to go part time for a bit and find some happiness and got back into it then starting talking about that being his career.
I tried (probably not well if I'm honest) to be supportive but I'm pretty cynical about that kind of thing
Alright considering what you told me your decision was fair. I was a former pro fighter (and part time actor in commercials). I had one of my exes get really turned on by this initially. However when she saw the sacrifice and mental roller coaster this lifestyle required she got turned off. MMA is not a "hobby" if you want to be successful. Most guys are broke and struggling in the beginning. However it was an example of how some women "portray" their fantasies of what a guy is in the early stages. Then reality hits and they get turned off.
I can definitely see that. The reality of such things - particularly in professions where you need a "big break" is never glamourous when you're climbing to the top and then the hard word to stay there can be just as difficult.
It's a sad thing though, of your partner wants to reap the benefits of those things (the attractiveness, the social status and any financial or social benefits) but isn't willing to support you in the hard yards
She was supportive in the beginning. I also was 110% "alpha" because I had a title fight in he beginning. But it took an incredible amount of sacrifice to achieve this. It set a precedent that was near impossible to maintain.
Thing is ALL women test men in relationships. Some more than others but they ALL do. Many men get lulled into thinking they can let lose their problems and insecurities more. I felt like I had the ability to do this because me ex said "I love you" first and she continued to do so for 6 months (year relationship). She meant it in that moment. But when things got rough all of the sudden that didn't mean jack anymore. Guys remember this but most women seem to conveniently forget it later if they want to break up.
I completely agree that women test men - but I can't say that it's at the end when we're getting ready to break it off. I've challenged all of my partners as a way to make sure they were a suitable match - and I don't mean as a concious thought "I'm going to try and be a pain in the ass and fuck up his day" but if we've reached a conflict or point of contention I'd push it harder to see how we would resolve. I can definitely be a brat - if my husband took all of my attitude we honestly wouldn't work. He knows when to tell me to wake up to myself, and when I'm being serious to have a genuine issue we need to resolve. He keeps me in balance, and as a result has taught me to control and recognise my own emotions. But I've never, ever felt the need to push boundaries at the end of a relationship, just trying to fix what was broken and when that doesn't work it's just over.
Others might be different, but I haven't seen that pattern in my friends or family
What you described is very common with women. You ladies are literally born with that "testing" complex. That's frustrating and depressing. However I would almost accept it if it wasn't for modern feministic society that is always telling women that their decisions are ALWAYS justified (not saying you are a feminist but western society in general).
I honestly feel bad for my friends ex. He's partly reponsible for this I'm sure. But he gets far less support/respect after the break up than she does. It's going to be much harder for him to recover.
I haven't seen that. Men dump women just as often, they aren't weaklings vying for attention waiting to be graced upon them. You seem to view men as incredibly weak beings with women overlords.
Relationships don't always work out; such is life. Sure some people don't do it respectfully but thats across both genders.
Women are heavily supported by other women because we nurture and look after our friends, as well as being honest about how we're feeling.
Societal pressure and men in general don't vocalise as much if they're struggling, and how many deep and meaningful conversations do you start with your mates around their break ups?
And it's socially accepted for both genders to be single. The eternal bachelor with his new woman every weekend? You seriously haven't seen this in every single city?
Women are empowered when they make that choice because for the majority of time we had to rely on men to survive through marriage or family. Such is not the case now.
I've been more of a "eternal bachelor" in one way or another. I'm well traveled, have dated and slept with close to 40 women and I don't bow to women who disrespect me (admittedly I took a lot of shit in my early 20s but I got smart).
HOWEVER it's very rare for me to find a woman I REALLY like. There is much more at stake for a man to open up emotionally and be vulnerable than a woman. That is WHY these break ups are harder for us. A women is much more likely to get support and find a back up man immediately after a break up. Not so for most men. If we act emotional we get labeled weak plain and simple. A heartbroken man is MUCH less attractive to other women vs. a women who just got out of relationship.
Not sure about plan in advance more than men , I planned & executed the split with my ex wife... she definitely should have seen that coming , I went cold on her months before... she was lazy & just complained constantly.. so I got rid.
One advantage women have is plenty of male options , women are desired by men far more than vice versa , also women have ultra close friendships with each other & well developed support networks... men do not have these in most cases.
i have yet to meet a woman that broke up with her ex witouth having a backup dude already on the side... its extremely common , it happens for multitude of reasons ; unable to pay her own bills if she leaves and end up having to rent her own place on her own ; or she can't take beeing alone so she finds a provisory boyfriend untill she gets a real one again , etc etc...
I say there is a 50/50 chance there is a back up guy. Classy women take their time to mourn and process. Not all girls are that scandalous.
When I break up, I go off alone.
I'd say without a doubt. Women in general over think so much more than guys do and women can be indecisive also. With guys, when that thought pops in our head, we usually make a decision right then and there and follow through, where a woman will usually go back and forth a bit before she makes up her mind.
I dunno. I met a very good woman a few years ago that I loved in a every way EXCEPT I just didn't feel that physically attracted to. She was pretty but for some reason it wasn't there. I had to force myself to do it with her.
With that girl I was very indecisive. I hated myself for not wanting her body (she was crazy about me at the time). She eventually dumped me but I drove her to it. Then she turned into a complete piece of shit later but that's another story.
Interesting this was actually my question I wrote as anon when I had a different screen name years ago. However it popped in the top feeds recently for some reason.
Also interesting to see how my thought process was years ago. I was a bit more idealistic back then. More optimistic but growing weary at the same time.
Anyway this poll has gotten close to 500 votes too. Cool.
There is no planning in break up in a normal relationship.
Breakup is only planned in a relationship where both of them know that their relationship has no future, like different religion, shifting to a different country, etc. I personally think it doesn't matter who plans breakup further in advance. But the one who actually does it
There was a point where I was concerned about a relationship I had with one of my best friends. The issue for me was based around the fact that I didn't know if I wanted to marry her. So we broke it off. (got back together a couple months later but still). The point was I had maybe a week's time where things were bugging me or just in the back of my mind, before talking with her about it. I didn't let it build up inside me.
I answered yes. There are a lot of relationship articles and studies about this. Women initiate most breakups / divorces in the U. S., and it is generally accepted knowledge that when a woman acts on her intent to end the relationship that she has already accepted that it is over and has started to move forward from it.
Women start to leave the marriage emotionally long before they work up the courage to physically leave... many keep hoping something will change but when they don't they leave... I've never know anyone to get a back up guy... a lot of time they aren't even aware of whats going on just that they feel less connected and less connected until they are done then they start looking at options and ways to leave and what not.
"feel less connected and less connected until they are done then they start looking at options and ways to leave and what not"
eeeehhhhh isn't this actually confirming what he said? if you go looking for options BEFORE leaving ; then getting a back up guy for whatever motive ; sexual emotional or even financiary before leaving that relationships is exactly that ; if your Relationship dont work you pack and leave ; no need for option looking !
@SENSEI Yes and no, I meant like apartments and trying to find a way to do it on your own or a place to stay maybe (and they usually leave right around that point if it's conscious to them that that's even what they are doing - some peole don't even realize they are looking for a way out at first and will think they are helping out a friend who is apartment hunting and one day it just clicks). No one I knew was looking for romantic options while in a relationship and most had friends to confide in as far as the emotional stuff went just something was lost in communication with their partner and like I said most people can't see it while they are in it and going through it... they try to talk themselves into it being fine until one day they wake up and just feel disconnected and leave and looking back it becomes apparent that at some point they started to check out. Women not feeling emotionally connected is the same as a guy not getting sex... it just doesn't work. men & women are diff
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Plan? I'd say more like "fantasize", as modern women are quite delusional. But yes, they typically plan way further ahead in their heads, however, their plans are fundamentally flawed as they're seldom based in reality, thus things don't go as expected as soon as she leaves.
A lot of times, women tend to be more emtional creatures than men.
The problem with emotions is that they tend to switch back and forth more easily.
Meaning they tend to have more conflicting "requirements" from their partners.
It eventually end up in outburst of frustration in men yelling "Women don't know what they want."
I was debating about breaking up with my first boyfriend for awhile before I finally did. I wasn't sure if we were just in a rough patch or we were genuinely incompatible. I thought if I held out long enough, things would get better and our relationship would improve. By the time I realized the relationship was truly dead, a month or two had passed. It was at that point when I finally pulled the plug and ended it.
Yes. That's why most women start off like "I've been thinking...".
I think this is true, and I think it's scary. Because the guy doesn't even see it coming. Perhaps if He understood what was going on, He would try to make things better. I was watching a vlogcast, and there was 3 people on it. One of the guys said He never saw it coming. The second guy said He was divorced twice. And the third was the only one that was still married.
I don't agree. I've only seen guys do this actually. The back up thing without loyalty isn't a typical woman thing. But you can't really generalise everyone of a gender
well both my last exes did this to me. I noticed a change in their behavior 1-2 months BEFORE the breakup. They both started testing more and paying more attention to my quirks.
you need good glasses , ones that actually see all sides of the Spectrum ; your are clearly blinded on all angles but the one you want to look to
@SENSEI Nah I was looking for different colors. My 2nd to last ex I wanted a "break" from but not a permanent "break up". I loved her emotionally, but I just wasn't feeling the spark anymore. Think it was the time I was going through in my life. I lead her to it, but I regret how I did it (acting like a dbag on purpose).
Last ex ghosted me completely with no warning. We dated for 9 months and the last month she pointing out my quirks a lot more. I also was too quick with the quickies. She was one of those girls where you had to be circus freak to finally make her climax in bed.
Anyway it was shitty what she did, but I wasn't really that in "love" with that one (unlike the 2nd to last). I'll get a good pair of glasses.
the three big break-ups In my life have been pland and exequed over thre weeks before hand and maybe longer and I put it to the last one who was my wife for 20 + years if youed put that much in to US. we wouldget on great.
now my exwife satys with me but still has rooms a mile or so away so now we are much better good sex and food all planed out a week ahead and I know she can go any time she wants. she never has!
Yes, totally true, women don't just break up suddenly, but if the guy is attentive with the girls emotions there can be a way to counter this thing, break up with her immediately after you notice the signs with no explanation given. 9 times out of 10 she will come back within a couple of days with a cpmpletely changed mind.
Yes.. I'm not sure really how guys are in this regard but yes I usually plan the end.. I will try to work it out without telling him but if I see no change in him.. I pretty much know it is over and plan my escape..
I don't know but i know I'm pretty bad at them. I always just suddenly decide I'm done out of nowhere and just end the relationship with a text.
It's fucking horrible i know but on the bright side they get to feel like I'm the bad guy and they'll probably get over it quicker.
That's not easily answered. Most women are very calculating. I would say she doesn't plan but you'll be on thin ice with her and can be for a while. And then if she talks to the wrong guy. That ice breaks with you at that instance.🤣
So is that really her planning? Or is that her being unhappy for a while and her all of a sudden spotting a greener pasture? To me it's the latter.