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Very good take, normally i'd have a few things to say on this specific subject but i think you covered everything i wanted to say.. well done :p
Personally one of the reasons why i want to help pay other than the fact that he's a working student and already has enough financial strain is because i feel guilty about it (for various sensible reasons) and fear how people might think of me (that they might think i'm like the kind whos using him as quoted "financial taxi"..) so there's that
Yes point taken. Most of do it. But after many years of being subjected to something, they are times when We just dont want too. And during those times men dont need to be scolded by women just cause he doesn't wanna pay. Anyone can throw money that has it, it shows nothing but he is willing to throw 100 bucks on the table for the night and feel like a big man.
Ill even give You the fact that yes its a nice gesture to pay and I completely understand the Subtle aspects of paying.
HOWEVER, the problems are not
About paying, its when men are subjected to HAVE to pay as if a part of their income is already taken out as taxes before we even get a say
i'm being called selfish on gag for saying that I appreciate it and it shows that the guy is interested in pursuing you on the first date
but I know if I were a guy, I would pay still because of my traditional values. it doesn't matter about who pays essentially as long as they like you
But would you still hold those traditional values if they didn't benefit you?
@Kirah yes
Simple solution is keep the first & second dates as inexpensive & casual as possible , also keep them short , there is no pressure on either party then & a switched on man can then weed out the gold diggers & users. A full on dinner or more , should be reserved for a woman that is WORTH it !!
You know, unless we're going on a round-the-world cruise or something, it's really not a big deal to me. I'll pay, or share, I don't care. I don't go to places where I'm going to spend $300 for a first date anyway.
Excellent answer.
I have no problem woth a paying for a woman! I've never been on a date where i didn't
But if a woman exspects me to pay and doesn't even offer i would ask her for some money and i wouldn't call her back for a second date
The argument is about women who think men need to pay for them... those are the girls that give women a bad name
Shitty arguments incoming
LOL ITS A WAR TODAY
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LOL!
Im just going to say her haveing money really does matter to me if we move in together i don't want to be paying all the rent if we divorce I don't want to come off worse as a result.
Im not "traditional". Financial security matters to me and it can make up for other things. Id even do nothing but give a girl oral and just finish myself of every day for the whole relationship if she was rich and paying for everything and buying me nice things. I'd save what i'd earn and not have to worry about money in the future and retirement or worry about going broke if i got laid off as long as she stayed pleased and id still be wealthier than before if we split up since i could just save what ever I earned.
I'm not paying for a girl's dinner since I know there are guys out there that didn't do that shit and got way more fun without any of the pay.
I see myself as that type of cool guy who should get it for free or minimal effort, and if some dumb hoe seems it differently, she gets the boot and isn't in my life anymore. Plenty of fish in the sea, plenty of hot puss to smash.
I always feel awkward when a guy pays for dinner. The last time a guy bought me food, he insisted on paying. When he wasn't looking I stuffed money in the tip jar. Also he got me a coffee even when I insisted I didn't want one. The good news is that he added me on Facebook. I know some people who just like to buy people stuff and I try my best to make it sit with my conscience. I usually feel so bad I get them something.
Why should a guy do traditional gentlemen things for girls that don't do traditional lady things but instead act the opposite of a traditional lady?
That's why you choose the girls who do have traditional lady things and pay dates for THEM.
Traditional ladies are a thing of the past, that's why traditional gentlemen are becoming rarer. When girls quit acting like ladies guys quit acting like gentlemen. Ladies wouldn't dress the way girls do today. Be a gentlemen if you want but you'll be used more often than not.
I actually wrote about that too some time ago, and you're right. But I also put emphasis on how and when to act like a gentleman and with who.
For all you gentleman out there. Thanks for saving Chad time and Energy on taking these girls out on date.
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That is the cold truth.
I am old school. Men should always pay for their date.
There's a difference between expectations and niceties.
The girls is looking for the nicety of a guy paying for the dinner, but many women have the expectation of the nicety. Expectation placed in any way around the topic takes absolute value.
Paying for dinner is either a nicety or an expectation, you can take your pick, I've made mine.
I'm happy to pay for the date but I do expect the woman to at least offer to pay for half of it. If a woman offers then I will be more than willing to ask her out on a second date, if she doesn't then I'll pay for her but I won't take her out on a second date. I'll move on and find another woman.
men should always pay. Men generally pay for me. Those who expect sex learn fast, and leave. they're jerks. I've had men pay for concert tickets, dates, and no one has expected anything. Heck sometimes im the one wanting something sexual. Women who think men shouldn't pay are uber nazi feminist weirdos who are trying to help the crazy men out... they're lame
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I dont follow feminism, I don't want him to pay since I hate to seem like a burdon on someone else. Concert tickets really? thats a lot of money. Plus I grew up poor, having respect that not everyone is so set in stone is a big thing.
I can't even think of anything to say except good take.
rarely do i see women arguing to get rid of benefits they have through traditionalism, like paying for dates, being added to the draft, etc. So women's stance on this issue rarely surprises me.
God this is so boring the same shit over and over again well fuck the rules if u want to pay pay if u dont dont
I had women offering paying for the first date because they invited me my opinion anyone who invite should pay for god sakes leave these topics its getting old
What I think about men paying for dates or t he first date. Is exactly what this guy says.
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That was refreshing. The women in the audience made me gag a little, though.
But then again, I think that was some sort of seminar for women who couldn't get a date. Well, I guess their entitlement plays a major part in that.
@Kirah maybe those ladies inthe audience were high maintaneance