Why Women Expect Guys to Pay for Dates

[Anonymous]

I've noticed that this is a controversial subject here on GAG given that several posts on this subject have been featured in these past several weeks and lots of people who oppose this ideology jump to the conclusion that girls who expect their partners to pay for dates are "gold diggers", "prostitutes", "sugarbabies", etc...Then on the other hand, you have people who believe this ideology because it's how they have been brought up and firmly believe in traditional gender roles since those were dating etiquette rules several decades ago. In essence, they share old-fashioned beliefs.

As per me, I believe that the guy should pay for dates because that's the traditional way to go. I'm also a conservative, old-fashioned kind of girl. Don't get me wrong, I believe that both partners should contribute towards things like household bills, gas, groceries, car insurance, student loans (if one or both partners still owes money) once they're either married or living together. However, based on my viewpoints on traditional gender roles, I believe that dates specifically, should be taken care of by the guy especially if they are still in the courtship process. Although, some exceptions can be made if the guy is currently unemployed or struggling financially. In such situtations, it would be fair for the woman to split the bill or take turns paying. But if he is fully capable of paying, he should definitely pay in my opinion.

I also believe in other chivalrous gestures such as opening doors, picking the lady up, etc...so it's not all about the dates.

That being said, I totally respect opposing viewpoints on this topic because it's all a matter of personal preference and beliefs. However, I strongly condemn the insults stating that old-fashioned, traditional women are "gold diggers" and are "taking advantage" of men because not every girl is out to exploit a guy financially, or pretending to love a guy for the sake of getting free dates.

Indeed, there are women out there who are looking to take advantage of guys for free dates, however that's why you need to get to know these women better so that you can get a better idea of whether they are truly interested in you or just after your $$$. And you probably won't know what their true intentions are until you have spent a significant amount of time together. But, the bottom line is that not every girl who expects their date or partner to pay for dates is trying to take advantage of him.

[TinderellaWorldwide]

I totally understand you and I appreciate chivalry and the fact that it's a gesture. At the same time, I'm an independent woman and have my own cash, so I always offer to split or buy drinks if he gets the meal. I don't want to feel like he is owed something by me and also, it's just a nice thing to do. I think it was more onerous in the past for guys to take the bill, but things are changing. Either way it's fine whether he gets it or we split; I really don't mind.

[coachTanthony]

Sometimes you just have to think outside the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-E_KFDWMog

[Logorithim]

I think of it as a benchmark because men are competing with other men for her. A woman has more options than just him, and it sends a bad signal if he either can't afford to pay for her meal, or, worse, doesn't want to.
I once had a very rich girlfriend (well, she was 21, so her family was rich), and she insisted on paying for everything, so I gave up even trying to after awhile. On a trip to Italy, one waiter remarked that even he paid for his girlfriend's meals despite the fact that she makes more money than him. Pretty embarassing.

[Vyxzuw]

The guy paying for the girl came from the idea that the guy needs to prove that he is capable of taking care of the girl.
This was from the idea that once married, the girl would stop working and raise children. So, if the guy couldn't even pay for something as simple as a meal, then he wouldn't be able to support her.

If the girl is planning on still working when they get married, then the want for the guy to pay becomes suspect.
It has become a kind of tradition for whoever asks the other out to pay for the date.

One issue with the old ideas though. If the guy is the one expected to make the first move, ask the girl out, pay for dates, etc, then what effort is the girl putting into the relationship?
From a traditional religious relationship, they won't be living together until they are married, nor would they be engaging in sexual activities.
It's one thing to say the guy should lead, but if the guy is doing everything, then the girl is really more of a prize the guy is buying, then developing any relationship.

Of course, there are things the girl can do, but many just rely on the guy to do everything.

[myTake Owner]

As a female, I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting the girl to practice her traditional gender roles such as cooking and cleaning. Nothing wrong with that. I believe that both partners should work to fulfill each other's needs and compromise. If you really care about your partner, you shouldn't give her a hard time for expecting you to pay for the dates. Notice that I am only mentioning dates. Meaning that the girl should also contribute towards other expenses such as household bills.

[Vyxzuw]

Well, traditionally the girl wouldn't be living with the guy, so household expenses would be odd.

It's mainly about effort. Is the girl putting some kind of effort into the relationship. Expecting the guy to do one role, and her doing another is fine, as long as there is equal effort. It's supposed to be a partnership.

Other examples of effort in the relationship, would be offering to watch a guy's pets while he's out of town for work, making lunches for when you both go to the beach, emotional support, etc.
As long as the girl isn't just taking, it's fine.

[myTake Owner]

I agree 100%!. It shouldn't be one-sided at all. And taking care of a guy's pet is a perfect example of how a girl can give back.

[Vyxzuw]

The reason a lot of guys think that girls are gold diggers or sugar babbies, is the guy is thinking the girl is only going to repay in sex (or not at all).

Sometimes, because the guy doesn't really want anything else from the relationship.

Although, that just means the guy is essentially complaining about the price and is thus, cheap.

[myTake Owner]

I couldn't agree more. These guys want to have their cake and eat it too. They're complaining about girls being prostitutes for expecting something in return, yet they probably wouldn't date someone unless they were also getting something out of it, sexual or not. A lot of these guys are in fact cheap.

[Xavixk]

You told us what you believed, but never made any argument as to why you believe it... Logically why should the guy always pay for dates?
What if the woman asked the guy out?
First date I pay because it was me doing the asking (Obviously ;) ) , but after that we are splitting the bill otherwise you a basically saying that I need to pay for your time.
Because it's traditional isn't an argument...
Then I think the women should cook and clean because that's traditional...
The reason that the men paid for things back in the day was because most women didn't work and if they did it wasn't full time... Then it made sense. Now that women work full time and men don't make more money then women does, it doesn't. It's quite simple really.
Just like women used to do the cooking and cleaning because they didn't work or only half time. Then it made sense. Now that they are working just as much as the men, now it doesn't make sense any longer.
Can you make a rational argument for why women today should contribute financially to the cost of the date?

[Xavixk]

should = shouldn't

[myTake Owner]

I just answered that in my summary. I don't believe in asking guys out, but if a woman does, then she isn't following traditional gender roles, isn't she? I also believe that it's a great idea for a woman to cook and clean. To each his own.
Being traditional is a perfect justification just like religious and political beliefs are. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean that it's not a valid reason.

[myTake Owner]

Being traditional represents being old-fashioned. Back then people used postal mail to communicate. Does it mean I need to stop doing it because there's e-mainland text messages to communicate with. Not necesarily.

[myTake Owner]

It's all about chivalry. Most men do it and thereby, it shouldn't go away. It's only on here that I've seen so much whining and complaining about this. My friend makes $70k a year and her boyfriend makes more than that. He paid for their trip to Cancun without expecting her to pay a dime, and they're both perfectly happy with one another.

[Xavixk]

Hate to point out the obvious, but in your response you didn't give any rational argument to why the guy should always pay for dates... You postal to e-mail "argument" makes zero sense
And as to your Cancun example all I can say is... That sounds nice... Sounds like the kind of thing I would do for my girlfriend... But it certainly shouldn't be expected of me to pay for a vacation because I'm the guy...

[myTake Owner]

I think you're having trouble with rationalization. I just rebutted your argument by saying that the time period you're living in shouldn't affect the way you choose to live given that your argument was that there is no reason to expect men to pay since women nowadays work. My argument is that time and changes in customs shouldn't affect the way you choose to live. If women nowadays want to work, great. It doesn't mean that I need to go to work or if I do, that I should contribute towards dates. Even in 1912, women worked as seamstresses so you have factually inaccurate statements in your "argument". Even though women worked, men were still the household's provider, so that clearly discredits that..

Think of Amish people. They choose to live as if it were the 1800's. That's why the word old-fashioned has the word "old" in it. You still didn't say anything about not asking a guy out and actually following the role of cooking and cleaning. If I can conform to that, why can't u?

[myTake Owner]

If I want to follow traditional gender roles and live as if it were fifty years ago, "living in different times" isn't a strong enough reason/argument for me or any other woman who expects the guy to pay for dates, to change. Like I said before, it's all about chivalry. Not agreeing doesn't mean it's a valid reason and if that doesn't make sense to you, then I wouldn't expect you to understand many things in life in general---including what women want.

[myTake Owner]

*not a valid

[myTake Owner]

I just came across this article. Thought you should read it. It's also written by a guy too! goodmenproject.com/.../

[Xavixk]

I think we are misunderstanding each other...
I have no problem with being old-fashioned and if you work less then the guy or have a lower salary or does more of the cooking and cleaning, then of course he should contribute in some other way... If you are really living the old-fashioned style, then of course he should pay... I already said that, because then it makes sense for him to financially contribute more than you... What I am saying is if you work the same amount of hours and are paid the same and divide the house work equally between you... As is the norm where I am from... Then it doesn't make sense to expect him to pay for dates. (Other than the first one, if he asked).

[Xavixk]

As for the article you linked... Thank you! This guy actually tries to give some
arguments for why men should pay, some of them are hilariously inaccurate, but
at least he is trying.

His first argument the make-up and underwear argument.
That would apply if she used up each item of make-up for one date... she doesn't
And for the clothes with H&M and other cheap store, I am usually wearing more expensive clothes
than she is... She has more clothes than me yes, but my clothes usually cost a lot
more which is why I have less... Do you really need 15+ pairs of shoes, 20+ dresses or
15+ pairs of jeans? If men expected this, their would be a point, but they don't
women just likes shopping.

[Xavixk]

His Second argument: Men still make more
Well yes if the guy makes more than the girl then obviously he should pay more
Just like if the girl makes more she should pay more... Quite simple
As for the whole paygap stuff... Men make more than women because
1. they work more hours and 2. Women choose lower paying jobs

His third argument
This isn't really an argument... Then what about the women?
Is quality over quantity not a concern here?

[Botchie]

I can understand where you are coming from and don't have anything against your beliefs, but when you state the following, it leads me to believe you don't understand the guy's viewpoint or how determined some girls can be to get their free food. (Just to be clear, I think it's a very small number of girls who take advantage of guys as mentioned in OP's post)

"Indeed, there are women out there who are looking to take advantage of guys for free dates, however that's why you need to get to know these women better so that you can get a better idea of whether they are truly interested in you or just after your $$$. And you probably won't know what their true intentions are until you have spent a significant amount of time together."

I feel wholeheartedly that most guys are willing to pay for the first date or are at least fine with paying for the first date. It's when girls don't seem appreciative of the fact that he did pay for the date that guys start to feel used. And (in my opinion) that is when guys start to feel like they are owed something (Not me, I just cut my losses and move on). I disagree with the assertion that spending more time with her will reveal her true intentions because she could easily get into the situation where they are just friends and yet the guy still is paying for what he thinks are dates, when the girl knows full well that she isn't romantically interested in him.

[myTake Owner]

I'm a firm believer that you need to get to know someone in order to figure out their true intentions given that people can be good liars and deceivers. I wouldn't be surprised if a gold digger volunteered to pay on the first and second date only to play a role and never pay again. I think that spending time with someone also tells gives you a better idea of whether the woman sees you as a friend or not. You have to judge based on her actions and body language.

It happens, but it's a risk you have to take. It's no different than sex for women and risking being used for it.

[Botchie]

That's a perfect analogy with the sex for women. And you're right, everyone just has to reevaluate their situation/relationship with that person every once in a while because it won't be apparent at first. Unfortunately, we (men and women) only realize that we are being used in hindsight instead of in real time.

[cavmanier]

I'd like if women took more initiative with initiating with men. Men paying is another sign of men pursing women. That power is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too far stacked in favor of women. Aren't men desirable too? The current dynamic doesn't suggest it. Think about if from our position: how would you like to HAVE to pursue men or you'd never date? How would you feel if men were conditioned from childhood to ignore showing attraction to you? Think about what that'd feel like.

The most common reason women want men to pay is because girls wants to feel desired. Like I said though, the courtship period is stacked towards men to show interest as opposed to women.

[Anonymous]

"As per me, I believe that the guy should pay for dates because that's the traditional way to go."

Ah, OK. So I assume you also believe the woman should "put out" because the guy pays for everything, right? I mean, that's the traditional expectation, so if the fact that "it's traditional" is your only justification for expecting guys to pay, you can't have it both ways.

Sorry, but this female double standard bullshit has got to stop. You women want to have your cake and eat it too and it's getting really fucking old.

[myTake Owner]

What's your definition of "putting out"? Sex after the first date? Traditionally, women wait until they are in relationships and some religious women wait until they are married to have sex. Having sex without commitment is not traditional, it's a modern thing done by a percentage of women. Not all.

[myTake Owner]

I also don't believe in girls asking guys out. So it's not like I want to "have my cake and eat it too".

[Anonymous]

Times have changed, rules have changed, expectations have changed. These days there is no right thing to do that everyone will accept or agree on. We believe in more freedom now. No more traditional roles. The man is not expected to be the main moneymaker and payer. The woman is not expected to be a housewife. Do whatever you think is best for you because it's your life. If you can find a partner that matches your beliefs, good for you. If not, look elsewhere or be an individual and take care of it yourself.

[myTake Owner]

I agree that there is no right or wrong way to approach dating. It's up to you to decide what's best for you and find a partner who best matches your ideals. There are plenty of people who follow traditional roles like me, and there are plenty of people who are more modern. However, you shouldn't insult or disrespect people who uphold different beliefs. It's no different than having certain political stances where Conservatives and Liberals clash. Neither party is right or wrong.

[SuperEunuch]

As a man, I feel very offended by this. If the man and the woman are still getting to know each other, there is no reason for the man to pay for any of her stuff. Only after they decide that they love each other should the man pay for some of her things, to make up for her handicap of being a woman who can't work as hard as a man, who has to take care of the kids, or whatever, AFTER the woman has proven that she is not just a gold digger. And about the door opening and picking up, I ALSO WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT. The man and woman have to take turns making chivalrous gestures. It is very important for me that the woman gives me those gestures as well. Otherwise I won't feel as loved if I am always the one doing the gestures

[myTake Owner]

Most women will assume that you're not interested, simply because most men are willing to pay. I understand your rationale, but most women will expect you to pay.

[SuperEunuch]

Then I'll just explain it to them ha

[Chief16]

Its not a matter of if the girl is good or bad. Its a matter of principle. You expect the guy to ask you out, take you out, entertain you and pay for the date. That's fine, if the woman reciprocates or is even reasonably fun.
But most times, guys get nothing in return. I'd rather have the company of a cold fish rather than some of the chicks I've met. They seem to think coming all coked up is some sort of favor to guys. Lol, no thanks. Never asked for it. If you're no fun, how does it matter anyway? Rather, split the bill. Pay for yourself. Unless the guy insists. Guys respect that.
Traditional values and modern values contradict each other. Choose one and stick to it. You can't have both.

[myTake Owner]

Thank you for your input. As I stated in my summary, I believe in traditional values and thereby, believe that the guy should take care of the dates. What exactly do you mean that most of the time you are not getting anything in return? If you are not getting your needs met in a relationship, you need to end it. But, in most relationships, the guy is getting something out of it's physical or emotional.

I suggest you talk to women you meet online for about a few weeks before deciding to meet in person and not run the risk of meeting another "coked up" girl.

[myTake Owner]

*whether it is

[Chief16]

Online dating? Lol. No thanks. One burnt, twice shy. I'm not gonna do that again even if someone gave me a billion dollars. When I say coked up, I mean the time they spend making themselves look 'good'. They think that compensates for guys having to pay for dates. And in these relationships, even women get something out of it emotionally and physically. Sex ain't a one way street. Guys don't expect nearly as much from women as they do from men financially.

[myTake Owner]

I see. In this case, I think it's because women are aware of the standards and judgments men have when it comes to beauty. They also want to be ahead of the game, knowing that they are competing against other women when they are dating you, so they do the best they can to make a good impression. I'm not disputing that women don't get anything out of the relationship. I'm talking specifically about men and what they are getting out of it, so it's not like he's being "used" in the relationship given that he is getting something.

[Chief16]

Used? Why do you think so many men are turning away from serious relationships and marriages? Dating isn't as rewarding as it used to be. I don't blame women. I blame internet dating and to some extent, feminism. In the good old days, people had to work to get to know people, you know read the book instead of judging by the cover. These days, they spend more time on the internet than actually with people.

[myTake Owner]

People are turning away from serious relationships nowadays because sex and casual relationships have become so easy to find. People don't follow traditional values anymore such as waiting to get into a relationship or marriage. They will give it up within minutes of meeting someone at a club or a bar.

[Cosytoasty]

Ahhh, all these newbies not playing the long game.

If we ignore he fact that you are with a loving partner and best friend... most modern women work anyway, even with traditional values. They end up giving back far more (just in pure money terms) than the peanuts you spend on dates. Dual income is a wonderful thing - your vacations, experiences and life in general is improved by huge amounts.

It's just something I don't think many guys on GaG have ever experienced. Or these guys are just exceptionally bad at picking girls who can't support themselves.

[babylips14]

If you want to label women who are not modern as "peanuts", I guess you can't blame old-fashioned women for calling modern guys "cheap". It's a double standard. The amount of money a woman makes doesn't necessarily mean she is "going to give back more". Believe me. I know a girl who makes around $70-75k a year and she did not spend a dime on the vacation to Cancun she took with her boyfriend who makes about the same as she does. True story.

I guess you can't blame girls for also wanting to date guys who can afford them and won't complain about it.

[myTake Owner]

@babylips14 That and also a relationship shouldn't be based on whether the other person can afford vacations, but rather how much you love and value them as a person. If you truly love someone, you would compromise and not give her a hard time over who pays for what if you know you can afford it. Especially if this is someone who is having financial difficulties. If you're looking to date a woman solely on her ability to "pay her way", you are just as a "peanut" as you claim these broke women are.

[Cosytoasty]

Where did i label women as peanuts o. O? "Peanuts" is the amount you spend on dates which are cheap in the grand scheme of things, so i don't understand why guys bitch about it.

I should clarify, it's a term we commonly use to describe small amounts of money in the UK.

[myTake Owner]

My apologies. Here in the US, calling someone a peanuthead is another way of saying brainless.

[CactusJuice]

Maybe "peanuthead" is someone who doesn't take the time to clearly read and understand an opinion before responding to it. :)

[myTake Owner]

@CactusJuice Maybe "peanuthead" is someone who doesn't understand that words have different meanings in different countries and wastes energy throwing childish insults simply for disagreeing ;)

[CactusJuice]

It wasn't a different meaning, it was a completely different context. He wrote "... than the peanuts you (the guy) spend on dates".

Your reading comprehension is terrible. Do yourself a favor: stay in school.

[myTake Owner]

@CactusJuice Misreading something is not indicative of one being terrible at reading comprehension just like making a typo doesn't necessarily make you a terrible writer lol. It also doesn't warrant childish insults from a 47 year-old grown man (if you really are an adult) after an apology was extended to the OP. You should attempt to grow up instead of trying to overcompensate for your inferiority complex through temper tantrums.

Do yourself a favor: Get a penis enhancer. Maybe that'll help you stop being so bitter and insecure.

[babylips14]

@Asker @CactusJuice is a peanut head with a small dick XD Probably another one of those mysogynistic cheap guys who have gotten used and dumped after spending money on dates. No surprise here. Perhaps if he acted a little more mature he would have better luck with women.

[myTake Owner]

@babylips14 Supposedly he teaches Nutrition in College. You would think that an educator would be intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between people who overlook a text versus people who don't comprehend reading at all. Especially, since bad readers tend to be horrible writers as well.

[aficionado]

I would prefer to pay, but only if the woman does not 'expect' me to. I don't owe her anything.

I usually do not let the woman pay for the first couple of dates. After that, we gotta split or take turns. If she expects me to pay for ALL dates, then she'd be shown the door.

[myTake Owner]

Yeah, most girls won't verbally tell you. I know I wouldn't. It's just something we kind of hope you follow through with.

[aficionado]

If she was going through financial difficulties, I certainly wouldn't mind paying every time. But if she was earning decently, then I'd prefer it if we take turns after the first couple of dates.

[myTake Owner]

I think it's very kind of you that you're actually willing to help out your partner during financial difficulties! I was disgusted to see some guys on here say that they would never date a girl who couldn't afford to split the bill because she's probably being a gold digger.

[aficionado]

Believe me, I know how it feels to be broke. I have been there.

If I really liked a woman, and wanted to get to know her better, then paying for dates would be a small price to pay if she couldn't split or take turns.

[myTake Owner]

I agree 100%.

[fabulouspancakes]

in my opinion you can either be traditional or not, but not selectively traditional only when it benefits you. This goes for girls and guys. I see women who expect men to pay for everything but aren't willing to take care of their man like a traditional woman, and men who want a traditional woman but sleep around and/or refuse to step up to the plate to financially support a traditional woman. Consistency is the key.

[Mishthefish]

I always offer 50/50 and I've been on a few dates so far > so far nobody took me up on the offer, the guys always seem willing to pay for the date. I don't know maybe I just date nice guys. I think once going out with a guy starts becoming a regular thing , you should talk to him about it and arrange something that works for the both of you

[MrNameless]

It's expected to offer. But most girls don't have the intent of paying

[Mishthefish]

@MrNameless just out of curiosity ,, what do you do in those cases where the girl doesn't even bother offering? Do you think of the girl any differently?

[myTake Owner]

I never offer to pay, but there have been instances where I offered and the guy didn't accept.

[WalterRadio]

One thing you need to understand is that sex and money are intertwined.

Marriage for example is not about love or sex. It is a business partnership for which the operating agreement is defined by the government. Meanwhile, married couples tend to think mostly about having sex with each other and no one else (theoretically) because of the existence of the business partnership, which again is about money.

[Dio1982]

This has nothing to do with traditional versus modern, but all to do with responsibility. You are an adult and responsible for your own finances. So grow up and take action of your life.

If she expects me to pay, I stand up, throw my share onto the table and go. Gold diggers get pruned remorselessly.

Also, my time is usually MUCH more valuable than hers (objective fact), and I want MY much more valuable time back with interest. If anything at all, she should pay me...

As I have said previously, up to now, I have NEVER payed for her expenses when dating. I am simply a high value male who keeps his purse close his chest. Actually, I have to date never had to say anything about splitting the bill, too.

[myTake Owner]

Religious values, political values, traditional values, etc... All influence the way we behave and act on a day to day basis. Expecting someone to Pay for dates has nothing to do with irresponsibility, but rather desiring chivalry and wanting my needs reciprocated. Relationships are a two-way street and if you expect to get boyfriend benefits, you need to also to fulfill her needs in return. Otherwise, you're doing exactly what you accuse us of doing---taking advantage. If you don't want to pay for a woman's dates, don't do it. Just be aware that you're probably not going to get many calls or texts back after that first date given that most women are traditional and will assume you are not interested in them.

[myTake Owner]

They will also assume you are cheap because you are putting your $20 in your pocket before love. I wouldn't blame them in that case.

[Dio1982]

It is a matter of respect.

If she doesn't respect my effort, my time investment (which is usually worth significantly more than her time!! ) when dating, then she is already trying from the get go some silly power games and is trying from the start to disrespect me. YOU are trying from the start to sabotage any notion of equality in the relationship. It is only all about YOU.

You see, there are thousands of other woman who will not try treat me like shit and who will treat with respect as an equal from the start. So NEXT!

[myTake Owner]

If you can't even respect a woman by putting her before your pennies, she certainly isn't missing out on anything by losing you. There are plenty of good-quality men out there who respect their women and put them before a couple of dollars in their pockets. No woman wants a cheap guy like Ebenezer Scrooge.

[AlphaGhost]

No You fucked the traditions, now if you are paid less for the job. You will change colors and jump to feminism stuff but in reality you don't want equality. You want special treatment.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Lol being a house girlfriend he pays for everything. I must be a bad person or gold digger for doing this.

[TheBoar]

I can't put links with my lvl but search for Matthew Husseys video "Who should pay on first dates?"
Everything you need to know and insight in what men (not all) think about it,

[CT_CD]

sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/.../...me-a-sandwich.png

[myTake Owner]

Get your ass off to work and fix my stove! lol

[John_Doesnt]

If she expects me to pay I expect her to show some cleavage. There's no such thing as a "free lunch".

[myTake Owner]

There's nothing "free" going on if she's offering you boyfriend benefits. This is assuming you are in a relationship. If this is a first date, it's a risk you have to take given that there is no way of knowing what her true intentions are, that early on.

[John_Doesnt]

And what exactly are these "boyfriend benefits"? Is that just a term you made up?

[myTake Owner]

Boyfriend benefits are things that your partner does for you. E. g. Cooking your meals, preparing your lunch, babysitting your dog or kids if you have any, washing your clothes, picking you up at work... The list can go on and on.

[John_Doesnt]

You're using woman logic: not making any sense.

[myTake Owner]

Perhaps because there's nothing for you to rebut?

[John_Doesnt]

If I say "purple monkey dish washer" how do you rebut that? You can't because it's nonsense, just like what you said is nonsense.

[myTake Owner]

What I just described to be boyfriend benefits is nonsense? hahaha XD

At least you tried.

[ItsComplicated001]

I just made a similar post, I wouldn't expect every date paid for by a man. But in the beinging most women like to feel secure and know that they have a potential man that doesn't mind taking her out. No woman wants to be with a selfish or cheap man its a natual turn off.