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Why Guys Should Pay For First Date (Page 2)
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Fuck making her feel special. One of the main reasons why womens dating market value is so much higher than the average guy is because guys do such unnecessary things like this. Thinking women are some rare Jewelry. Its a date its not like you gonna get a girlfriend or anything. you're wasting money on an investment that will have no guarentee and has high risk , you won't even get a return you either get a second date or its all over. A complete waste of money just happened. this has everything to do with i wouldn't say sexism but some form of gender biased. Good lord i hate chivalry with a passion such an out dated custom. I think i should write a mytake on how to teach men not to be simps. By showing them the truth.
Women make their own money, they can take care of themselves men need to stop doing this.
Women are the prize ;) not men ehhehe
@Afrochick But you guys dont want to be seen as some trophy am i right?
No no no no! Her having a vagina and me having a penis does not mean I am the provider in the relationship. If they want free stuff they should go get sugar daddy because I'm poor.
And what's up with women expecting men to put forth all the *real* in a relationship? I don't care if it's a damn tradition. People who fall traditions are simple-minded ignoramuses.
*follow traditions
*real effort (I hate not being able to edit my comments)
Technically men are evolved as a provider and if you aren't capable of paying for the date, then that just means you are not ready to mate,
and bottom line..
you need to work on yourself, no wonder most relationship end in chaos and broken hearts..
sounds like prostitution
@Markfish if that is how you want to perceive it.. then so be it.
You said if you aren't ready to pay you aren't ready to mate, how is that not prostitution?
@Markfish Sex is always exchanged for money. .
in one way or another.. only problem is society does not accept a direct transaction. .
it is okay if you turn it into a bouquet of roses, an expensive piece of jewelry and a bottle of wine. and make reservations at fancy restaurant! and whoo her with romantic lines from literature books..
money can be converted into any kind of service, and vice versa..
here money is bottom like what you need..
Direct transactions is socially unacceptable..
Then you agree that it is prostitution by very definition!
@Markfish in ancient time men provided for women while women gave them sex and took care of them..
there has always been Exchange of Good and service and affections and these things can be converted into Monetary term.. hence make Prostitution a thing coming from Age of Cavemen
besides..
Prostitution was coined for 2 reasons..
1) If such a term wasn't coined then it would make love meaningless.. and if love becomes meaningless how the hell do you think the industry of movies! romance novel.. literature.. a billion dollar marriage ritual industry would survive..
2) With love people become patient.. and caring and since sex is part of our intimacy and physical involvement.. and if a prostitute sell her body. . the buyer will utilize it like resource careless without worry if he was overusing or ruining it and damaging her physically beyond repair. . basically she could die because he paid to own her body..
Both scenarios sex is there but has different outcomes
You are just agreeing with me and providing reasons why the prostitution exist if you can't see that.
@Markfish yes i am agreeing with you mate..
its like you cannot drink money. but you can buy water and drink that. .
just like that money is not right input for sex. . gift, luxury, booze and companionship are. .
Superfluous to semantics, still prostitution.
@Markfish depends on individuals perception. .
however by definition : individuals consent for direct money in monetary terms for sexual favors is prostitution. other ways are fine..
i mean if you pay a girl in Bitcoins or Etherium or Titcoin or Sexcoin or upcoming Eroyi coin. . i don't think they can arrest you since you did not used a legal monetary token or made a transaction in a currency..
Go read a dictionary, it being completely direct doesn't matter. You are describing legal statutes for prostitution. But to simple, what you describe of courtship is by very definition prostitution.
@Markfish like i said its matter of perception
No, basic semantics and analytics, true by virtue of the meaning of the words and concepts used to express it, so that its denial would be a self-contradiction.
@Markfish i am too sleepy to understand you words. its 2:20 am here.. bye bye. might answer ya later. . just drop a response so i can have you in list tomorrow
“It Makes Your Intentions Clear” What intentions does she expect exactly? Modern women don’t want anything serious, your “intentions” are futile.
“It makes her feel special” This is more of an attention whoring phenomenon to report the results back to her friends
“It has nothing to do with sexism” So let me get this straight only paying for the first date is not sexism but everything else I do is. Got it!
The whole concept of "date" is dead- get over it.
I think this makes some amount of sense, for a first date specifically. It does make it clear that his intentions are romantic and that he's interested. Yes, that's a really helpful thing. But it's tough because I really don't want to have to expect a guy to pay just to know that he's interested. I'm very conflicted on this issue.
Fuck that. You wanted equality, you pay for your fucking drink, you pay for your part of the meal, and I don't want to hear you bitch about it, because if you do, guess what, i'm going to have to take "an important call", step out, and leave you with the bill.
Equality, bitches. Fuck yeah
Whatever. I don't drive, so I'd either have to meet her there and arrive via cab or bus or she'd have to drive. Paying for the first date seems like it'd be the least I could do for the relative inconvenience of not being "the man" and picking her up or "making" her pick me up. I don't mind paying, someone has to, so what's the big deal? And if it was an awkward date or it just went nowhere, I'm out thaat much but no harm otherwise done because we had a distraction from our lives for a bit and we ate. There's nothing wrong with that.
"Sounds harsh, but it is TRUE. 46 percent of G@G women do judge if you ask them to split the bill."
Well, that is cute.
But I would judge 100% of them, if they *haven't* asked me to split the bill.
I guess I expect the person at the other side to try impressing me too.
Fuck me, right?
No. Only reason is sexism against men. Which we don’t talk about, I’m sorry. Pay for yourself. Intention? You can make them clear anyway, it’s not dependent on guys wallet.
Am I too myself, or point 2 is…kind of irrelevant? I mean…she can feel special for other reasons.
3: OK. Tell her.
5: Yes, it has. It is sexist. Seriously, It’s plain and simple.
If she isn't officially your woman then don't pay. There is no risk neither.
If a woman strongly desires you she isn't going anywhere because you decided not to give her a free dinner.
You've a point tbh
Men: women are nothing but gold digging whores!!!
Also men: only men can pay for dates!!! That is right and good!!!
You can't generalize who population of men, can you?
If all Muslims can be terrorists, then all men can be hypocrites 🙂
Well, I don't think all Muslims are terrorist :) I actually wrote 2 takes about it but too lazy to search them
My dear, this may surprise you, but occasionally I will make comments that are not directed at you to make my displeasure with eejits on this website known.
nice strawman, here's another one
"we, women, are strong and independant and we don't need no man"
"We need man to pay for the first date"
logic'd much?
@OnAColdWinterNight darling, have you seen me say that? I would never presume. I don’t believe in either party paying for the other until there’s an established relationship, and then you ought to take turns.
are you mad that my superior male brain turned over your shitty logic and made you look ridicule? Oh sweety, if only you knew...
@OnAColdWinterNight i’m confused as to how you got that I believe that men should pay for women out of my original statement. Maybe that’s just the conclusion one makes when one is too stupid for words.
Are we still on that? Lmao
Why is it even topic worth discussing? 😂
Because you triggered me 😛
I don't want him paying for the first date because I will feel bad if I don't have a good time, and lots of men out there think all women are prostuitues who accept dinner as payment for sex. I enjoy sex, and I don't want the first time feel like an obligation.
If we both have a good time, and a second date happens, whoever made those plans can pay next time.
No, men should not pay for the first date. If you are actively looking for a partner, that's a bad idea. I currently have a girlfriend, but before her, I had a horrible time meeting women. I tried meeting women in person, I tried online dating, I tried blind dates, I tried speed dating and I want on a LOT OF first dates with no chance of a second date. All that money I spent on those dates, dates that never got a second date, I could have saved.
If you go on a first date with someone, each person should contribute to their own bill. I say that because it's the right thing to do, especially if the date goes horrible and there is no chance of a second date.
If she expects you to pay for her time (which most women do), and you do, then she gets what she wants... but if you don't get what you want in return (which is always sex), you are simply a fool.
SO, unless sex is absolutely guaranteed. Paying for a girl is stupid and gets you used. Stop letting women use you for free shit and money if they aren't giving what you want in return.
You'd be better off going to a real whore and getting the good without all the games and underhanded tricks.
What about him feeling special?
I don't know lol. I already feel special if she works on her looks and looks great on "that" day and it also depends on her behavior. That's a beta thing I know
what's a beta thing?
Chivalry the origin of chivalry is about women being the weaker sex and needed to be protected. I don't understand why any of these reasons make sense. If a woman truly values you she won't make you pay for her time. Men should value themselves and pay their own way.
This is why i dont date. Women feel too entitled in the dating game so why should i cater to bullshit that will not be appreciated but something they feel is an expectation.
This take only confirms that dating is a one sided road
You're a master now
Yeah I also upvoted this mytake
Thanks bro :) and congratulations
Simple.. the inviter pays for the invited , which will be the male at least 90% of the time. However... keep it inexpensive and simple & preferably short too , esp for a first date , this reduces pressure on BOTH parties & weeds out the freebie meal users too.