No this is dumb. You should work ok fixing yourself and not expecting society to conform to your problems. You really think you are that special? Nope. You are not. You are just another schmuck walking down the street who thinks the world revolves around him.
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Personally (and I know a lot of women irl who agree with me) men who are interested show it, they take the lead, they put in the effort. I'm a feminist and I believe in gender equality, which means if a woman wants to take the lead she can. But men are made to lead in some areas and women in others, it's not just societal norms, it comes down to biology. If a man doesn't feel comfortable he doesn't have to lead, but shouldn't expect women to magically appear and romance him. Same thing with women: if they put no effort in at all, they shouldn't expect men to. It takes effort from both sides, the effort is distributed in different ways. I don't lead initially, I won't wear the pants, I like my dress. Sometimes I may switch it up though and that's fine too.
You dont sound feminist. You sound sexist. Men and women can do the same things. Men are not made to lead in certain areas. Women were made to lead in those areas too. It is societal manipulation that brainwashes you to think its the mans job to ask out a chic. But we are talking about sexual abuse and PTSD. If a woman is raped she gets empathy. If a guy is molested we say "just deal with it". Society is sooo sexist.
Can men give birth? Didn't think so. Who has more muscle mass on average? Men. Therefore who leads in physical strength? Men. It's biology. Being a feminist isn't ignoring biology, it's knowing that we have different strengths but that doesn't mean that we cannot be strong in any aspect we choose. I'm a woman, I'm not as strong on average, but that doesn't mean I or other women cannot build muscle and become strong, it doesn't mean we cannot fight. Feminism is giving both sexes a choice. So yes I beleive in social equality in choice, I'm also not stupid as I study science and evolution.
I mean yes but it works both ways. While some men find it attractive for women to be confident and make the first move, it can also be a huge turn off for them.
In school I’ve been spanked by girls telling me I have a nice ass. I always felt uncomfortable when they do that, and I always freeze up. I’ve also had some weird encounters with female doctors. Where she pulls down my pants just a little bit, but enough to make me uncomfortable. I really enjoyed your take thank you.
And some of the same men who complain that that is unfair will also be the men who want women to be 'submissive', who expect women to do as they say, and who think women's sole purpose is to have children.
Men think about sex way more than women. As long as this is true it will always be mens job to make the first move in pursuing sexual and or romantic relationships. If you don’t like it I guess the world and life are not always fair
But don't women want romance more than men? Is so, why don't they put forth an effort to get what they're looking for? Instead of just waiting for horny guys to hit on them and hoping one of them turns out to be decent.
@Jamie05rhs That does go both ways. In modern times, men are expecting women to do all of the work. Not going to work out very well, if you want them, then you're going to have to put in some effort as well. I for one, am NOT going to chase after a guy. I know what I want and are usually very direct.
@Crimson811 I don't expect women to do all of the work. I only expect her to meet me halfway. If I'm intiating a conversation, the least she can do is write back. I think that's a reasonable thing to ask. Even I it's to say "fuck off"; at least I get an answer.
I have completely agreed by ur above cited word.. but its not a wholesome of story.. Every book has two pages , flip the page and you will able to see another side of story.. every charecter in the stort has it own share like you do..
Men have been talking the lead for centuries. The abuse argument has been there a long time. But females have been abused a lot more, being treated like second rate human beings. So someone has to tat the first move. So why men...
Women aren't worth the squeeze in the United States anyways.
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That goes both ways, nowadays it's the opposite. In modern times, men expect women to do all the work. You guys need to step it up as well, just my opinion.
Your statistical analysis is flawed. Think about your final answer of 28 million. Your reasoning is incorrect. Sorry, but you should not have started your thesis with statistics.
Hey, if you're giving him signs, that's just as good as taking the lead. If he decides to ignore the signs, then that's all on him.
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"Societal pressure" can we be honest and say men did that to themselves?😕 which female directors force fed that garbage onto impressionable girls and boys their movies, ads, novels, all forms of entertainment and love stories
Like, fr though, how the hell do you get to this point? "Oh A wOmAN dIrEcToR dOeSn'T dO iT sO mEn aRE bAD" No. Bad. Stop it. And who's force feeding anything? People with high standards are the worst KINDS of people, they're the reason society's got all its issues today and YOU'RE not helping in that. It's a two way street, just cause I got stabbed by some random lady doesn't mean I'm gonna think all women suck. But yeah male directors do that stuff depending on the director (MICHAEL BAY *COUGH*)
You mean those cartoons and ads that started in a time period where women didn't really work and were expected to stay home and me were expected to provide. Companies do what sells. Lots of women like the idea of men chasing them, so companies sell products to women with that in mind. Remember the axe body spray adds? That had women chasing men. And guess why they did that:because it sells!
It isn't about blaming men for continuing the stereotype. It is, if anything, on women for continuing to enjoy them.
I could care less about any blue thumbs down or i already know this app is full of miserable ugly incels. Any comment that is even slightly mention men in a bad light will be hated on.
Ya that much is clear. I was mostly impressed you managed to split the genders. I mean, it’s a clear pink and blue line. You have somewhat of a gift ;)
Also bringing up romance in the 50s!! Is the biggest mistake u could do in this convo. Lol that time period was horribly sexist and blatant about it since women were gaining independence in the work force and in life. Media did everything they can to hold women back like make housewife films, ads and entertainment. Read a history book or article if u get the chance one day
Those films were already being filmed before, and if no one liked them they wouldn't make them, because most companies ownly care about their bottom line. Just look at the NBA in China right now.
Whats funny is once the men on here r wrong they change subject asap. 'Uhhh how can distract her ans make me look right, ok lets ignore everything she said and talk about nba in china' wtf does china nba have to do with this. Im leaving this convo. bye. u can't stay on topic.
I just gave an example of how companies operate, since you obviously don't understand. Companies care about profit, so why would they push ads that most people don't like? You don't really make money doing that. I am 100% on topic. You on the other hand changed it to attacking the person, not the argument.
Ya, your right. Gillett was very sexist towards men when they were trying to sell razers to women. I guess it is profitable and socially acceptable to be sexist to men. Socially acceptable is the key point. It is not socially acceptable to be sexist towards women, and if you are or are perceived to be you get attacked by a large group.
you're comparing 1 ad telling men to be humans to decades of ads telling women to 'get in the kitchen', stay young, focus on finding a man instead of urself, change ur body, change ur laugh ur hair ur humour. Cslling women everything other than a woman in songs, movies etc. you're comparing that to a gilette ad. you're so fucking dumb. clearly you're way out of ur league in this topic, im out of this convo. Bye bye
It basically call masculinity toxic like feminists do. How is that not sexist. Every show shows fathers as being terrible parents that don't know anything. That's sexist. Men are kill objects in movies. Women are never killed on camera, yet men are. Women aren't tortured on camera, men are. When I say on camera, I mean the the screen doesn't go black and then show just the result. The media also seems to always tell men they don't matter and everything is their fault. Just look at aboriginal men. Their are more missing and murdered than the aboriginal women, yet no one cares. Men aren't even allowed to have their own group to fight for men's rights without people attacking them. Feminist are supposed to be about equality, yet they make it a point to attack and discredit the mens rights movement.
Stop womensplaining to me😂. You're right that we aren't in the same league, but it is I who is out of your league. Oh, and incase you don't know, your ignorance isn't bliss. I hope you grow up and start caring about everyone, regardless of what is between their legs.
I explained to you what on camera means. I'm not repeating myself. Women are hardly ever killed on camera, and the fee times they are it is some not human thing in horror movies.
I dare you to pay more attention to movies and you will see what I mean.
Says the prick who's A. Posting this anonymously, B. Humans fucking suck in general, move on, and finally, C. You're not proving anything either. You're saying only women can be victims and men are just supposed to be whatever you dream. You literally said you stopped reading their oppinion at a certain point, this isn't even an argument if you won't look at who you're arguing against, this is just you shouting "MEN SUCK" At the top of your lungs. Finally, I want you to back your claims for ONCE. You keep saying shit like "Sexism is profitable" and "That's what horror was made for", stop looking for shit to whine about before you start thinking the earth's flat.
Im whining? So explain the op what was HE doing apart from saying how hard it is for men in a patriarchal society. All i said was shut up stop whining about things men before u made difficult for u. Dont blame women for ur situation.
I'm not SAYING WOMEN are the issue I'm saying PEOPLE ARE THE ISSUE. HUMANS SUCK IN GENERAL. In some cases Women do it to themselves, in some cases Men do it to themselves, others with a gender affecting another. NOBODY IS THE BADGUY HERE besides THOSE that DECIDE what's normal. Humans are a disease on THEMSELVES. People kill themselves thinking "I'm not strong enough", "I'm not skinny enough", "I'm weak" bla bla BLA. ALL because PEOPLE DECIDE that THEY ARE.
All I'm saying is, yes, men did put some of this on thsmselves, others on women, but women also affect men and women as well.
Hahahahahahaha. Gag men always switch their positions/topics/pov whenever theyre wrong and try and make it seem like thats what they meant the whole. You LIAR! im glad u see the truth now. Men put that shit on themselves.
Sometimes, yes, other times no. Think about it, ever seen any movie involving a Pistol? Yeah, it's portrayed as if men are supposed to take 50-60 wounds at a time. Women in those movies are always "PuRtY" and men are always badass, but half that shit isn't close to reality. I know what I meant, if I didn't want you to know I would've deleted it. I just want you to see that not EVERY GUY is EVIL and EVERY WOMAN is MANIPULATIVE. If an Asian guy were to stab me would I think, for EVERY Asian GUY, "oh fuck i'm boutta get stabbed."? No. Not how it works.
Plus, you're not exactly being mature here. I'm tryin'a help you out but really you're dismissing my arguments left right and centre and it feels like a waste of my time to even convince you about stuff you may be wrong about or ALLOW MYSELF to learn from this.
you're talking about the characters in movies im talking about the characters and the gender of the directors/writers etc who give that message out because thats important too they r the real makers of the narrative.
After 2 days this is still an active topic huh. Are any agreements or compromises being made, anyone listening to one side or the other? Or is this like other online discussions where both sides are dug in and it’s better to just agree to disagree?
I got no idea, she's not listening and I'm just tryin'a make sure this is civil while she's pretending she and EVERY OTHER female is perfect while men are mouth-breathing mongs.
I mean society wants us to take the lead. Um well the me too movement stops most men in their tracks. can't have it both ways
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No, it isn't. And you seem to forget, society is a human construct. Not the other way around, it evolved with us to fit our normal behaviors, average personalities, etc. Men taking the lead is a biological thing, not societal.
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No this is dumb. You should work ok fixing yourself and not expecting society to conform to your problems. You really think you are that special? Nope. You are not. You are just another schmuck walking down the street who thinks the world revolves around him.
Personally (and I know a lot of women irl who agree with me) men who are interested show it, they take the lead, they put in the effort. I'm a feminist and I believe in gender equality, which means if a woman wants to take the lead she can. But men are made to lead in some areas and women in others, it's not just societal norms, it comes down to biology. If a man doesn't feel comfortable he doesn't have to lead, but shouldn't expect women to magically appear and romance him. Same thing with women: if they put no effort in at all, they shouldn't expect men to. It takes effort from both sides, the effort is distributed in different ways. I don't lead initially, I won't wear the pants, I like my dress. Sometimes I may switch it up though and that's fine too.
You dont sound feminist. You sound sexist. Men and women can do the same things. Men are not made to lead in certain areas. Women were made to lead in those areas too. It is societal manipulation that brainwashes you to think its the mans job to ask out a chic. But we are talking about sexual abuse and PTSD. If a woman is raped she gets empathy. If a guy is molested we say "just deal with it". Society is sooo sexist.
Can men give birth? Didn't think so. Who has more muscle mass on average? Men. Therefore who leads in physical strength? Men. It's biology. Being a feminist isn't ignoring biology, it's knowing that we have different strengths but that doesn't mean that we cannot be strong in any aspect we choose. I'm a woman, I'm not as strong on average, but that doesn't mean I or other women cannot build muscle and become strong, it doesn't mean we cannot fight. Feminism is giving both sexes a choice. So yes I beleive in social equality in choice, I'm also not stupid as I study science and evolution.
I mean yes but it works both ways. While some men find it attractive for women to be confident and make the first move, it can also be a huge turn off for them.
The question is why?
It's just them I guess.
In school I’ve been spanked by girls telling me I have a nice ass. I always felt uncomfortable when they do that, and I always freeze up. I’ve also had some weird encounters with female doctors. Where she pulls down my pants just a little bit, but enough to make me uncomfortable. I really enjoyed your take thank you.
And some of the same men who complain that that is unfair will also be the men who want women to be 'submissive', who expect women to do as they say, and who think women's sole purpose is to have children.
Men think about sex way more than women. As long as this is true it will always be mens job to make the first move in pursuing sexual and or romantic relationships. If you don’t like it I guess the world and life are not always fair
But don't women want romance more than men? Is so, why don't they put forth an effort to get what they're looking for? Instead of just waiting for horny guys to hit on them and hoping one of them turns out to be decent.
@Jamie05rhs I don't know life isn’t fair I guess
True, true
@Jamie05rhs That does go both ways. In modern times, men are expecting women to do all of the work. Not going to work out very well, if you want them, then you're going to have to put in some effort as well. I for one, am NOT going to chase after a guy. I know what I want and are usually very direct.
@Crimson811 I don't expect women to do all of the work. I only expect her to meet me halfway. If I'm intiating a conversation, the least she can do is write back. I think that's a reasonable thing to ask. Even I it's to say "fuck off"; at least I get an answer.
@Crimson811 Oh... you're very direct, you say? Well... that makes you PERFECT for approaching!
I don't know what to say. I need some time to think and re read this.
It's got me thinking
I have completely agreed by ur above cited word.. but its not a wholesome of story.. Every book has two pages , flip the page and you will able to see another side of story.. every charecter in the stort has it own share like you do..
Men have been talking the lead for centuries. The abuse argument has been there a long time. But females have been abused a lot more, being treated like second rate human beings. So someone has to tat the first move. So why men...
Women aren't worth the squeeze in the United States anyways.
That goes both ways, nowadays it's the opposite. In modern times, men expect women to do all the work. You guys need to step it up as well, just my opinion.
Life is unfair sadly. As much as I agree with this most women will never take the lead
Your statistical analysis is flawed. Think about your final answer of 28 million. Your reasoning is incorrect. Sorry, but you should not have started your thesis with statistics.
Inaccurate data has nothing to do with my reasoning. The data accurate or not changes nothing about the reasoning of the piece.
What a load of crap, grow some hair on your balls step up to the plate and be a fucking MAN.
Hey, if you're giving him signs, that's just as good as taking the lead.
If he decides to ignore the signs, then that's all on him.
"Societal pressure" can we be honest and say men did that to themselves?😕 which female directors force fed that garbage onto impressionable girls and boys their movies, ads, novels, all forms of entertainment and love stories
That’s a lot of blue thumbs down
Ever seen Twilight? Yeah, imagine THAT WORLD but Whatever the vampires' name is has a beer gut and is a nervious wreck. Go phuck yaself.
Like, fr though, how the hell do you get to this point? "Oh A wOmAN dIrEcToR dOeSn'T dO iT sO mEn aRE bAD"
No.
Bad.
Stop it.
And who's force feeding anything? People with high standards are the worst KINDS of people, they're the reason society's got all its issues today and YOU'RE not helping in that. It's a two way street, just cause I got stabbed by some random lady doesn't mean I'm gonna think all women suck.
But yeah male directors do that stuff depending on the director (MICHAEL BAY *COUGH*)
You mean those cartoons and ads that started in a time period where women didn't really work and were expected to stay home and me were expected to provide. Companies do what sells. Lots of women like the idea of men chasing them, so companies sell products to women with that in mind. Remember the axe body spray adds? That had women chasing men. And guess why they did that:because it sells!
It isn't about blaming men for continuing the stereotype. It is, if anything, on women for continuing to enjoy them.
I could care less about any blue thumbs down or i already know this app is full of miserable ugly incels. Any comment that is even slightly mention men in a bad light will be hated on.
Ya that much is clear. I was mostly impressed you managed to split the genders. I mean, it’s a clear pink and blue line. You have somewhat of a gift ;)
Also bringing up romance in the 50s!! Is the biggest mistake u could do in this convo. Lol that time period was horribly sexist and blatant about it since women were gaining independence in the work force and in life. Media did everything they can to hold women back like make housewife films, ads and entertainment. Read a history book or article if u get the chance one day
Those films were already being filmed before, and if no one liked them they wouldn't make them, because most companies ownly care about their bottom line. Just look at the NBA in China right now.
Whats funny is once the men on here r wrong they change subject asap. 'Uhhh how can distract her ans make me look right, ok lets ignore everything she said and talk about nba in china' wtf does china nba have to do with this. Im leaving this convo. bye. u can't stay on topic.
Societal pressure includes men and women.
I just gave an example of how companies operate, since you obviously don't understand. Companies care about profit, so why would they push ads that most people don't like? You don't really make money doing that. I am 100% on topic. You on the other hand changed it to attacking the person, not the argument.
Sexism is very profitable. If u dont think so ur even more of an idiot than i thought
Ya, your right. Gillett was very sexist towards men when they were trying to sell razers to women. I guess it is profitable and socially acceptable to be sexist to men. Socially acceptable is the key point. It is not socially acceptable to be sexist towards women, and if you are or are perceived to be you get attacked by a large group.
you're comparing 1 ad telling men to be humans to decades of ads telling women to 'get in the kitchen', stay young, focus on finding a man instead of urself, change ur body, change ur laugh ur hair ur humour. Cslling women everything other than a woman in songs, movies etc. you're comparing that to a gilette ad. you're so fucking dumb. clearly you're way out of ur league in this topic, im out of this convo. Bye bye
It basically call masculinity toxic like feminists do. How is that not sexist. Every show shows fathers as being terrible parents that don't know anything. That's sexist. Men are kill objects in movies. Women are never killed on camera, yet men are. Women aren't tortured on camera, men are. When I say on camera, I mean the the screen doesn't go black and then show just the result. The media also seems to always tell men they don't matter and everything is their fault. Just look at aboriginal men. Their are more missing and murdered than the aboriginal women, yet no one cares. Men aren't even allowed to have their own group to fight for men's rights without people attacking them. Feminist are supposed to be about equality, yet they make it a point to attack and discredit the mens rights movement.
Stop womensplaining to me😂. You're right that we aren't in the same league, but it is I who is out of your league. Oh, and incase you don't know, your ignorance isn't bliss. I hope you grow up and start caring about everyone, regardless of what is between their legs.
I stopped reading at 'women are never killed on camera'. The whole horror genre was made for that purpose. Ur dumb as fuck and u keep proving it.
I explained to you what on camera means. I'm not repeating myself. Women are hardly ever killed on camera, and the fee times they are it is some not human thing in horror movies.
I dare you to pay more attention to movies and you will see what I mean.
Says the prick who's A. Posting this anonymously, B. Humans fucking suck in general, move on, and finally, C. You're not proving anything either.
You're saying only women can be victims and men are just supposed to be whatever you dream. You literally said you stopped reading their oppinion at a certain point, this isn't even an argument if you won't look at who you're arguing against, this is just you shouting "MEN SUCK" At the top of your lungs.
Finally, I want you to back your claims for ONCE. You keep saying shit like "Sexism is profitable" and "That's what horror was made for", stop looking for shit to whine about before you start thinking the earth's flat.
Im whining? So explain the op what was HE doing apart from saying how hard it is for men in a patriarchal society. All i said was shut up stop whining about things men before u made difficult for u. Dont blame women for ur situation.
I'm not SAYING WOMEN are the issue I'm saying PEOPLE ARE THE ISSUE. HUMANS SUCK IN GENERAL. In some cases Women do it to themselves, in some cases Men do it to themselves, others with a gender affecting another. NOBODY IS THE BADGUY HERE besides THOSE that DECIDE what's normal. Humans are a disease on THEMSELVES. People kill themselves thinking "I'm not strong enough", "I'm not skinny enough", "I'm weak" bla bla BLA. ALL because PEOPLE DECIDE that THEY ARE.
All I'm saying is, yes, men did put some of this on thsmselves, others on women, but women also affect men and women as well.
Hahahahahahaha. Gag men always switch their positions/topics/pov whenever theyre wrong and try and make it seem like thats what they meant the whole. You LIAR! im glad u see the truth now. Men put that shit on themselves.
Sometimes, yes, other times no. Think about it, ever seen any movie involving a Pistol? Yeah, it's portrayed as if men are supposed to take 50-60 wounds at a time. Women in those movies are always "PuRtY" and men are always badass, but half that shit isn't close to reality. I know what I meant, if I didn't want you to know I would've deleted it. I just want you to see that not EVERY GUY is EVIL and EVERY WOMAN is MANIPULATIVE. If an Asian guy were to stab me would I think, for EVERY Asian GUY, "oh fuck i'm boutta get stabbed."? No. Not how it works.
Plus, you're not exactly being mature here. I'm tryin'a help you out but really you're dismissing my arguments left right and centre and it feels like a waste of my time to even convince you about stuff you may be wrong about or ALLOW MYSELF to learn from this.
you're talking about the characters in movies im talking about the characters and the gender of the directors/writers etc who give that message out because thats important too they r the real makers of the narrative.
Yes, because it sells. Why? Because women like it.
After 2 days this is still an active topic huh. Are any agreements or compromises being made, anyone listening to one side or the other? Or is this like other online discussions where both sides are dug in and it’s better to just agree to disagree?
I got no idea, she's not listening and I'm just tryin'a make sure this is civil while she's pretending she and EVERY OTHER female is perfect while men are mouth-breathing mongs.
You really underestimate the impact of mothers.
Fair
yes please, though I'm still waiting for a girl to do so...
Lots of pressure... even from women who claim to be feminists...
I mean society wants us to take the lead. Um well the me too movement stops most men in their tracks. can't have it both ways
No, it isn't. And you seem to forget, society is a human construct. Not the other way around, it evolved with us to fit our normal behaviors, average personalities, etc.
Men taking the lead is a biological thing, not societal.