No Man Is Entitled To a Woman

[Anonymous]

No man is entitled to a woman simply because he made the effort and asked her out. No man is entitled to a woman because "he is a nice guy." No man is entitled to a woman because she "should" want him based on what "all women say they want". Understand this: just because you exist does not mean women owe you anything.

No woman has to say yes to your invitation to go out because before you got to her, you asked out 10 other girls who also said no. That is not the fault or problem of the one currently standing before you and it is never the fault of any person rejecting you because they are "allowed" to do so as it is their prerogative.

Being nice is the bare minimum you can be but that doesn't mean you're the most incredible or interesting person on earth. It doesn't mean you fit into what this particular woman finds attractive which you can't control. Just because you showed up and put in some effort to ask a girl out doesn't mean she has to say yes.

Despite what any government would have you believe, you do have autonomy over your body and particularly your own mind.

You know as a man that if you don't like a girl or she's ugly to you or whatever, you don't have to date her so why do you think this doesn't apply in the reverse when it comes to women?!?

Life is what...unfair. You were born a man and society largely seems to hold fast to the idea that men should do the asking and so yes, you can experience rejection and a lot of it but no woman needs to apologize to you for that or try to force herself to like you because you showed up.

Dating is hard for men in this respect, and I, specifically, acknowledge that whole heartedly. It can be painful to feel like you're not wanted or that you're trying your best and no one is giving you the yes you want to hear, but life is what...unfair. There are no guarantees. When you ask a yes or no question, there is a 50% chance you will hear no. The reality is all you or anyone on this earth can do, is keep trying and hoping that someday, your idea of the girl of your dreams WILL say yes.

[Anonymous]

Your error was you didn't start by saying something positive. That is why men dislike this post. I also realize I did not do that in this comment.

Men just don't ask a girl unless you know the answer will be yes. It's 2022 and I think you can live by that statement in todays world.

And marriage is not hard. It is really simple once you understand our paradigm control 95% of our habitual behavior and almost all of our thoughts and behaviors are habitual. All people need to do is build an attractive, harmonious personality and have a joint vision for their marriage. You simply build the 2 people who can sustain that marriage naturally. It really is as simple as that. If you want to be Michael Jordan... Don't pick up a ball and hope it turns out okay. NO study everything that makes him him and then become all those things in a habitual way. Kobe did just that unconsciously. That includes the ability to handle tough situations and not fall apart. It includes everything that is needed. The desire and love is all the motivation you need. Anyone who has ever been in love knows the motiving power of romantic love.

[Lucina_Rose]

Wow you sound bitter. Don't speak for all (not even most) of us.

[bamesjond0069]

I agree with your post. But you make it like men rejecting a woman for a date is the flip side to this. Its not since women don't generally ask men out.

The flip side is no woman is entitled to a man. Just because we dated or hooked up, no woman is entitled to a relationship, just because you've been together 5 years doesn't entitle you to marriage. Many women seem to think just because they opened their legs a man owes them a relationship and its not true. Just like we are entitled to end a relationship any time we don't find you attractive anymore. Start nagging and gain 20 lbs... you aren't entitled to us accepting that if we don't want to. Im tired of seeing women complaining about this stuff. If men aren't entitled to your body why then would you be entitled to mongamy or commitment of any kind?

[myTake Owner]

I agree. If some guy tells you he's just in it for the sex, believe him. He doesn't want to marry you. Move on if you can't handle it.

[bamesjond0069]

But we don't even have to tell you. Just like you are allowed to change your mind at any time about sex. We are allowed to at any time about relationships. Maybe we thought we wanted one but now after we had sex we dont. I don't know why girls get all bent out of shape about it.

[Gigi2019]

@bamesjond0069 and OP. It's not about you and what "you" want and it's not about "her" or what she wants if you knock the woman up and a child is involved. Heterosexual sex is very serious. You have the power to create another life. Most heterosexuals are of the mindset that they can hit it and forget it. Maybe. The question is "should you" if you are not only destroying or leaving behind a child/a person that you've created through that exploratory union.

[Gigi2019]

*sans not only

[bamesjond0069]

@Gigi2019 why are you entitled to our help just because you can't figure out how to take a birth control pill every day? I dont see the relevance. If the child is such a burden put it up for adoption or give it to the dad if they want it. If you keep it then its your responsibility. You still aren't owed a relationship or marriage or monogamy of any kind. Wtf.

[StuMan1990]

Well said and Amen!
Granted, sometimes women do something that causes men to not want to date them at all, or even speak to them. I know from experiences.

[Anonymous]

This whole thing is one long ode to female entitlement and lack of self awareness. Not to mention it's pretty sexist too. Who the hell says men have to do anything because we're born with a penis. That's like saying women can't do such and such because they have a vagina. More feminazi BS.

[myTake Owner]

So what you're saying is that you nor I have a right to say no to someone who asks us out? That's a frightening thought. I'm also not sure where you read that I said men "have to" do anything other than accept when a woman says no.

[Mister_Hangry]

You just proved his point, OP. Please shut the fuck up.

[ronaldo75]

Jesus fucking Christ you're a horrendous liar. This is why so many of you are so depressed.

[Datboi65]

I agree with everything you said, but there's another side of the coin:

No woman is entitled to a man's resources, attention or even commitment. That last one might seem shocking, but it's true. A lot of women think just because they have been dating someone for a long time that they are entitled to a ring, but no. A lot of women think just because they are seeing a guy that he should pick up the the and pay for the date, but no. They call us assholes when we don't reply fast, play games or ghost them.

See how this works? You are right. The world is not fair. To men and women. However, unlike what you said, men deal with rejection almost everyday, so we get used to it. Rejected by a girl? No problem. A job? No issues. Didn't get promoted? Absolutely no problem. However, when women are rejected, shit hit the fan. Because women are rejected less, they think they are just entitled to things, and that's not how it works. They will stalk you, cuss you out, cry and complain about how you (their ex) were an asshole to them when they talk to other people. There's almost an expectation that ONLY men should learn how to deal with rejection, and not women. I believe men should ABSOLUTELY deal with rejection, but so should women. No pampering, pandering or any of that crap. See the world for what it is. No more chivalry.

[YesIWouldLikeFries]

Agree 110$% with this. Wake up and see the real world. Once your eyes are opened you can never unsee.

[Finchie40]

Just like no woman is entitled to a man , but if you want love to grow you both have to accept each other’s flaws and make each other your priority , wear each other’s shoes remove selfishness for each other , if you can’t do that for your partner like they can do that for you , then be prepared to be single again living a selfish life, Relationships are based off of give and take , We can only give what we want to receive , if a relationship feels one sided then that isn’t love that is selfishness , if you can’t sacrifice for your partner like you expect them to sacrifice for you , be prepared to be shit on. If you can’t be a team player with your partner how do you expect them to be a team player with you? If you live a life thinking grass is greener on the other side you will never experience true love , it’s pretty easy for someone to be selfish and to only really think of themselves, so if you can’t water the grass that you are already standing on , then you are allowing selfishness to conquer your relationship, you and your partner aren’t always going to agree on things , but when you compromise and communicate and respect each other and wear each other’s shoes Love will grow if you can not do that , then don’t waste your time getting into a relationship, just stay single and live a selfish life , you can’t expect someone to love you if you can’t love them. Trust is built on respect

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

My first response to this is "no shit, Sherlock", but then, there's probably guys out there who still don't understand this basic truism.

On women's side it doesn't hurt to reserve some empathy for the fact of how a guy basically puts himself on the line just by saying "hi" in many scenarios, and so any "rejection" should (at least initially) amount to a simple "thanks but no thanks". Some women can go way overboard in calling attention to the fact they're "shooting down" some poor sod who's just trying to be friendly.

But in my experience, most women will match the energy of the guy's approach. If he's acting suspicious, she'll regard him as suspect. If he acts big-headed, she'll go into her ego and "make an example of him" to her girlfriends. If he acts polite and friendly, she'll give a polite "thanks but no thanks" if not interested.

Ultimately, other people are like mirrors to what's happening within our own psyche. If a guy is consistently getting 'blown out' by women in ways that feel rude or downright cruel, it's probable that he's got some malignant or suppressed cruelty inside his psyche, and the women are picking up on that subtle discontinuity between his spoken words and his hidden intents. This is why men must strive to "know thyself", because women can sniff out our repressed 'dark side' even if we're convinced such darkness doesn't exist. And they'll reflect it back to us in how they respond to our attempts of courting /seduction /whatever you wanna call it.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Of course, none of this is meant to excuse the women who are cruel in their rebuffs just for cruelty's sake. But for every woman who's felt compelled to shoot down a guy more aggressively, despite her generally friendly disposition, chances are the guy being rejected was bringing some subtle energy into the equation that merited a certain level of aggression /defensiveness. The woman may not be able to articulate this out loud, but she'll feel it in her bones that something about the guy in front of her "doesn't add up".

[Friendlybro79]

No one is disagreeing with your statement. No one entitled to any other person. The same is true for women to men. Here's where I ask you to think about your perspective of how men should act or feel towards getting a yes towards the girl of your dreams.

You said, and I quote, "The reality is all you or anyone on this earth can do, is keep trying and hoping that someday, your idea of the girl of your dreams WILL say yes."

This is true for men who are trying to be proactive in finding a girl of their dreams.

That is not the only thing on earth we can do though. You stated that societal pressure says we are typically doing the asking. We can also choose to feel like it's women's turn to start being the pursuer of relationships and not us. It seems fair regarding equality that we shouldn't have to be in this traditional place where we have to ask you out. Personally, my feeling is, you make points that are true, and I agree with the bottom line of what you're getting at.

I'm not saying this to start an argument but I'm just pointing out that your sense of what men think they're entitled to is sexist. That said I can not say there isn't a percentage of men feel the way you describe us in general terms. I only ask please don't generalize us all. In turn we should not do the same of all women. For example, based on this post, I do not think all women think like you.

[Nomadic_Frog]

I don’t understand why men feel so attacked by posts like this one. The general point made, men are not entitled to a woman just because he puts in some work to ask her out, is a statement that seemingly both genders should agree with. In regards to relationships, no one is entitled to anyone unless another decides to share themselves with that person. As a man, I ask other men, why would you want to go out with a woman that doesn’t even see value in you? Obviously one answer might be, they are extremely attractive to you. But still, if I were to ask out a woman and she seems to show no interests what good does it do for me to pursue her? In some cases pursuing someone consistently can turn into everlasting love. However, in many cases, if a man or woman has confidence in what they give or offer the world, generally it may be best not to settle for someone that doesn’t not appreciate your value. Men and women alike, do not settle for less than what you believe you are worth. And, no one is entitled to the love or lust of another simply based on the effort of one individual.

[ChrisMaster69]

Really good My Take.

it is a hard world out there.

Stealing from one of your replies to someone’s opinion.

‘Dating or trying to date involves a man and a woman trying to find compatibilities and mutual attraction’.

For me (and for others I know not naming names lol) the following also holds very true and makes it harder at times or more complicated.

‘Dating or trying to date involves a man and a woman trying to find compatibilities, mutual attraction AND EMOTIONAL CONNECTION’.

The latter often being a bitch lol

A guy or girl may think they have ticked all the boxes but they still have to go down that unknown of emotional attraction.

[myTake Owner]

I would agree with that. It truly is a wonder when couple works out in the long term because even after you've found all three...guess what...you've got to find a way to then make it last!

[ChrisMaster69]

Yeah exactly.

I am hoping a friend has some luck tonight and she starts this journey.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I've known people that do not have the emotional connection, been married for years and they say, what does love have to do with a legal contract, we get along great as life partners in surviving in this tough world but they admit they do not love each other.

Seems weird to me, but they still managed to have kids, family and all that without love, like what the crap.

[ChrisMaster69]

@Aerissa_Jade I really could not do that, also it’s not simply the love aspect it’s that thing where you click emotionally

[Aerissa_Jade]

@chrismaster69 I know crazy right? that is my thoughts on it.

[Lionman95]

Though I agree with myTake what´s the reason to write it because it´s just stating the obvious? by the way it´s also going the other way round. No one woman is entitled to the perfect guy she´s dreaming all her life because that guy may never meet her or she´s not getting his attention.
I think the one of the reasons why many guys can´t handle rejections well is because we simply don´t want what would help have a higher chance with women.
The problem is that guys don´t even know what women want from a relationship so they have problems with dating.
"Just be yourself" is one of the most ridiculous and none helpful statements people ever came with to say to anyone because most people are the way they are in every day life. It´s a statement that sounds good for a postcard but in fact doesn´t say anything helpful at all.

[myTake Owner]

Me telling you what women want is not going to help you either because a)you're either not going to believe me and/or b) I don't and can't possibly speak for all women no more than you can for all men. Dating or trying to date involves a man and a woman trying to find compatibilities and mutual attraction. What works for one doesn't work for another so it can be extremely frustrating. Just be yourself is just about the only accurate, though annoying, advice one can give as faking like you're someone/thing else is not sustainable and it is starting something based on a mound of lies which few people are a fan of.

[Lionman95]

Sorry for the misunderstanding I wasn´t asking for dating advice and reading your myTake again, I also understand it better. I mostly agree with you, because I also think that relationships isn´t something a guy can ask for.
He either finds a compatible partner, that he can connect with mutually or the both of them love each other and cherish the time they have or he doesn´t.
No one can be made to love another person.

[MCheetah]

No. No man is entitled to a woman. However, no woman is entitled to anything from a man, either. Including help or chivalry. But when a man doesn't wan to help a woman or kiss her ass, it's called "misogyny" nowadays. This is the modern world we live in.

No, no person is ENTITLED to anyone. But most people DO deserve love. And although it's true that "life isn't fair," that doesn't make it any less callous. Should we all just be a society of assholes? Being nice to others or experiencing love with another is not required. But it sure does add some value than human life, which is pretty pointless as it is.

[Guy13]

search Proverbs Wife and Ephesians 6(both guy/girl relational expectations there). See if you would like that kind of attention and are capable “returning it”, please.

My first inclination is, Who are you pissed off at 😳 ⁉️ I hope that’s the case, otherwise, your Pride is nasty like a narcissist…. What an inviting Vibe you bring to the table.

Really, I’m serious and NOT trying to be hateful. You have no idea what you are missing. When an adult man takes interest or defines his property there’s huge benefits-Especially, if he’s a Biblical guy as Standards are exceptionally high.

Look around you…there super hot women with Mr. Homely and Mr. Super Boring. I wonder why 🤔.
Come to my church and ask 3000-4000 attendees. Those ladies can surely share their Wisdom with you…
Ephesians 6
-Proverbs Wife- Search

[CrazyGirl2]

Wait, you’re NOT trying to be hateful… Then bravo good sir 👏🏼 It would appear that you are a natural! And such a genuinely kind display of Christian spirit.

[Guy13]

You proved my point. Thank you🙃

[CrazyGirl2]

Any male who refers to women as his “property” is NOT a Godly man! In fact, he is no man at all.
Also, way to quote your favorite bible verse which happens to mostly be about slaves obedience to their masters, w/a small bit about children honor your mother and father, and father’s raise your children in the ways of the lord!
6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]
4 Fathers,[b] do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

Just… WOW 😮

[exitseven]

Yes, the world is unfair. You are born with certain attributes. You can be tall or short and you don't; have a choice. I was a fat kid and I thought girls would like me if I lost weight and got in shape. It really did not work like that because I was still the same person. I had to work on my personality too and I had to get out of my environment because people still looked at me like that same fat kid.
Thee are lots of variables and so many things that work against you it is amazing that anyone ends up dating somebody.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Some of the nicest people I've known were overweight, in some ways it can make their personalities be far superior.

[exitseven]

@Aerissa_Jade I was a real shy, geeky kid. I was a stereotype of the geeky nerd kid. If they had video games I would have been a video game nut. I wanted to be an astronaut.

[Mossberg500]

No woman is entitled to a decent man, yet there are plenty of us. They just look in all the wrong places, so stop bitching about there being "no good guys." Your shallowness and vanity brought you hos to being single with children and unwanted. If it hasn't yet, it will, trust me. These type of women are all over the place.

I'll paraphrase a line from one of Bill Barr's skits, "You got about 6 years of being an entitled bitch, so enjoy it, because after your looks fade, as they do so fast for most women, you'll be the annoying "Karen" the crowd is shouting "get that pig out of here."

[Mossberg500]

Who knew this message would get so much support, I'm proud of you guys, don't let the P***y control you! Don't settle for less than what you think you deserve! These entitled women of this era need to learn a lesson. If we can't have happiness maybe we can pave the way for the next generation. I'm not saying "Mgtow" To me that's basically "Meninism." Simply saying, if 'X' woman doesn't respect you, then give her the same treatment. Down with the entitled Thots!

[Kaamraj]

No man is entitled to a woman, agree 100% percent. And likewise, no woman is entitled to a man, or his resources or his commitment either. You may agree with me in principle for the sake of equality, but the system of laws say otherwise. Women are the majority in divorce initiations, child custody winners, taking alimony, etc. So, you do not want the man, but you want his resources.

It bring another thing to my mind how the govt. of Ukraine has imposed marshal law and forbid any MALE bw the ages of 18-60 leaving the country, they are meant to stay and participate in the defense of the country, but how come that doesn't extend to the women? - Why aren't women required to sign up for the draft in the US?

[YesIWouldLikeFries]

This. So much this. Women need to step up. Woman up. Or be left to be slaughtered. Good think I am far far away from all that unnecessary stuff happening in Ukraine.

[StuMan1990]

You do know everything you just said works vise versa, right? Like you are not wrong with what you've said about men and women, but at the same time you need to understand not everyone is perfect, we're all flawed, even women.

If you feel like a man has burned you in anyway, hold that individual responsible for it, but don't hold it against every other person born a man, not all of us carry the same Sins as the person who may have hurt you in the past to make you feel like this. Some men are scum, some are not, same with women, some are scum, some are not. It all comes down on how the individual chooses to behave in today's society.

[cth96190]

Why do you care?
As for a 50 per cent rejection rate, that is not the reality for most men.
In my case, my success rate was a bit less than 1 per cent. Yes, I kept statistics.
One of the things that Iearned was that most women loathed men, but tolerated us as a necessary evil, though only so long as that indivual male could be exploited in some way.
Women enjoy rejecting men and do so as frequently and brutally as possible, until the woman gets to her early 30s. At that time, rejection becomes more selective.

[monorprise]

Relationships are so messed up and divorced from their underlining propose (children) in post-60s western culture they hardly matter at all.

Women who don't commit to a man will end up old unloved maids or poor single mothers, while most men check out living for themself with a few becoming playboys to take advantage of the large number of 'single' women looking for support and love.

Its a evermore dysfunctional and abusive culture that is well on its way to demographic collapse.

Removed from the culture is a institutional plan to achieve what we are programed to want.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yeah, and the same rule applies to women regarding entitlements from men.

Not sure what the point of your post is. It's just stating the obvious, but the choice to omit the fact that women typically act more entitled than men, seems off.

In most relationships, men initiate, men earn most or all the money working at a job, men do chores, men fix things, men are expected to kiss ass, and if they break up, women get to keep any kids, and men have to give the woman money (kids or not if its a divorce), and women still call men entitled and lazy, despite most of these women doing far less than men effort wise for the relationship, and getting far more in return.

What is it you offer that makes you entitled to any of that?

[PAcc92]

OP is going to have fun dying alone with her cats lol

Women generally speaking are hypergamists, and there's already thousands of articles about how "Women can't find a decent man to marry".

No one is saying "Men 'deserve' Women" just remember that the inverse is also true, when your eggs are going rotten and you can't find a decent partner you don't 'deserve' men.

[Evan64]

I genuinely feel sorry for those cats.

[PAcc92]

@Evan64 I can imagine not even cats want to live in a house that reeks of their urine.

[KlinkyCoder]

Both men and women have their own inherent issues in life. It's difficult for me because if there is a guy who got rejected by ~100 different women one after the other, are you not surprised that he starts to develop a little bit of angst or resentment? That's the way some guys are dealing with dating. There is even whole internet groups that developed based on this cynicism and we seen the members of those groups grow a lot. Hmmm, what do you think this says?

But no man or woman should literally force themselves onto another person, that constitutes harassment. But I can see where those angsty men are coming from because they see other people in a relationship or with a person they think is hot or attractive, and they want to be able to have the same thing but it is seemingly discouraging for them.

[IHateBeingaMan]

"Life is what... unfair. You were born a man and society largely seems to hold fast to the idea that men should do the asking and so yes, you can experience rejection and a lot of it but no woman needs to apologize to you for that or try to force herself to like you because you showed up."

understatement unfortuneately, thats why i like to believe, and i believe most people will agree, that its impossible for a woman to be an incel.

Sometimes i like to think that women are the only gender that are owed or entitled to a date, relationship, due to how it seems far more men than women end up going deep or late into adulthood being perpetually single, as in, never having dated anyone before or been in a relationship, a virgin later than normal, keyword seems. Because a simple way to put it, women get offers, men have to make offers.

[Lookingforthetruth]

if a woman tells you she is single involuntarily or no one ask her out then you know 100% she is a liar.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Well done mytake, I'll add that just because someone asks her out and she goes, and he pays for her. Does not mean she owes him anything at all.

This is exactly why many women have started paying for themselves to avoid pressure from someone thinking she owes something to him for it.