Why do girls behave bitchy/obnoxious/mean in bars and nightclubs?

[Indigo91]

I don't understand it, don't women go out to have a good time and meet new people? On a weekend I'll approach women to strike up a conversation and they'll behave oddly like bratty or in some way childish... is this normal for women to behave like that? At first i thought i smelt kinda bad or something so I double checked and walked over to a group of men in the venue to join group conversation and got a good response from the guys when we were all exchanging jokes together and everything went well.

Updates

+1 y

So how would I know if a women is interested in these venues? what signs should I look for? Its not like they walk around the club with a frigging radar.

[Anonymous]

Okay, so there are three kinds of women in that bar. 1) True bitches, you won't have any luck with them 2) women who want to have a good time, but what's hitting on them does not appeal 3) Those who are looking to have that great time and who are more open about it. Sorry there is no way to really know who's who, but I'll tell you why at least no. 2 exists. If you are an attracting woman, you've been hit on by everyone. Literally everyone. Women have standards. So do men... so let's not pretend that women should just accept everything that asks b/c I wouldn't expect guys to. Most decent women try to be polite about rejections. Sorry, no thanks, thanks for asking... but then you get responses like, well you must be a bitch or you think you're too good, or you aren't even worth it, and on and on, so those guys can pretect their ego from being hurt. It becomes really hard to know who's just being genuine and wanting to have a good time and who the a-holes are. Sound familiar? It's unfortunately going to be a lot of trial an error if you're trying to pick up at a bar, but perhaps, and this sounds totally creepy, watch the behavior/body language of your intended for a minute. If she seems more open and friendly with those around her, then try the approach.

[Indigo91]

What is this bullshit with being creepy around women these days? Its just that because a man approaches a women in either for a sexual advance/proposition or to find out if she is an available sexual partner... the guys labelled a creep. Its men job as always to approach women because if it was left to women to do the approaching the planet be extinct of human life lol so somebody has to approach and women do it rare. Like I said in my updated question, If it was possible that women were walking around with a radar above their heads saying "not available" it would certainly make my life and hers very much easier but that's not the case. Also the way women dress most of the time pretty much screams to men "approach me! approach me!" the way I see it is that women go out to these venues to do a bit of attention seeking whoring like they do on social media on a daily basis.

[Indigo91]

As much as they say they hate attention from men all the time, we know all too well they lap it up like a fat kid eating a big mac at McDonald's. Women will make an exception to opening her legs to the tall good looking alpha male faster than a porsche, it only the short average/ugly man with no money or status that gets labelled a creep. Women's nature is hypergamous by default unfortunately.

[Opinion Owner]

and you've all but proved my point in your comments. Men often assume a girl dressing a certain way is for them, and them alone or that they need attention. If you're a girl with a boyfriend that happens to go out with her girls who are single, you're dressing that way b/c you want to look/feel good and have fun with your girls and of course you're taken, so yeah, it really is NOT about some guys. So really and truly not every girl in a bar is looking to get laid. As for the first part, how would you know as a guy who and what that girl you approach has had to deal with all night. You can only know your own personal interaction. So you may be a cool guy, but after being hit on and possibly annoyed all night, sometimes by default, you may get the shaft just b/c she's over the whole scene by the time you may approach.

[Opinion Owner]

Look, I am in no way saying its easy to approach women... heck this whole explanations thing should tell you that, but I can no more rope all guys into one category, then you can women in a bar. It's just sometimes a matter of right time, right place, right guy, right girl.

[steven7890789]

Wow you seem to think it is ok for a woman to be bitchy to a guy in a bar or club even though he was nice to them. They can reject him NICELY. Regardless if the woman is not there to meet a guy or if she is not attracted to him NO EXCUSE to reject him harshly IF He is nice. Reject him nicely.

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 What is NOT okay is for men to treat women with disrespect just because she is in a bar and doesn't want to date/sleep/accept drinks etc. simply according to you, b/c in your mind she is clearly "dressed a certain way, which translates to her automatically trying to clearly seek out attention from all men," even apparently without saying or interacting with you or them at all. I have also merely tried to explain the concept to you that if 10 guys are hitting on a girl and she has been as kind or as nice as she can be in her rejections of them, but they're reacting negatively or calling her a bitch for simply rejecting them, by default that last guy, though he may have good intentions may get a swift rejection. I don't know what else to tell you. Life is hard. Picking up someone at a bar can be hard. All I can do is give you my opinion, and if you don't like it, want to believe it, have problems with it, then forget it. No worries.

[steven7890789]

What the hell are you talking to me that way? I never said it was ok for a guy to be disrespectful. I think you are confusing me for the other guy. I don't it is ok at all for a guy to be disrespectful to a woman at the bar or club. What I said is that it seems you are ok with women in bars or clubs rejecting guys in a bitchy way even though he was nice to them and NEVER was rude to them. They can reject them NICELY. Regardless if the woman is not there to meet a guy or if she is not attracted to him NO EXCUSE to reject him harshly IF he is nice. Reject him nicely.

[steven7890789]

Did you read my last message? Read my last response to you and respond please.

[steven7890789]

Please respond

[Rainie_]

So I've tried the nice attitude many times before and kindly rejecting them but that way they wil NOT LEAVE ME ALONE AT ALL. Lol. I'm telling you majority of times, if a girl is nice despite saying no or rejecting the guy, he will take it like:
7f9c61237bd6e732e57e-5fa18836a2ae6b5e7c49abcc89b20237.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/5239311_kate-upton-isnt-ready-to-get-married-to_t6f996585.gif
Only way I found that works is straight out giving them a bitchy face of disinterest, and such. Sometimes I even have to legit push the guy away because some force themselves onto you.

To find out if a girl wants to talk to you, generally she'll give you eye contact. Rarely she'll go up to you yourself lol, but it can happen (if you're attractive 😅). No eye contact and she's probably not interested.

As for myself, I go out to dance with my friends. I don't mind talking to guys however, majority of the time I find myself being grabbed by guys, sometimes they pull me away from my friends, grind on me when I don't wanna dance with them. Etc. Etc. Easiest way to get rid of them is be mean. That's just how it is unfortunately.

[fermatote]

lol they even push a guy, when they approach to that guy and that guy shows disinterest to them.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

women dont always go out to meet guys. a lot of times the attitude comes from assuming (rightfully or incorrectly) that the guy who approaches them is a thirsty guy who just wants sex. also keep in mind that not everyone knows how to turn down someone gracefully. some women think if they dont want to talk to a guy then they need to be standoffish and distant so he will get the hint and stop talking to them.

next time make eye contact with a woman before approaching. the girl who looks at you a couple times and returns your smile is the one who would welcome your attention. on the contrast, if she can tell you are looking at her and she seems to be avoiding your eye contact and ignoring you then dont talk to her

[JSmuve]

While yes, they might be interested in meeting a guy, you're not the image of the guy they have in mind. Plus, they don't know you and think you're only there to get laid. The fact that they don't know you and probably aren't immediately attracted to you puts their bitchshields up.

Bars and nightclubs are difficult venues to pull unless you have some sort of physicality, whether thats height, build, and/or facial features, that separates you from everybody else. Having social status doesn't hurt either.

To say that pulling in clubs/bars requires a fair amount of superficial currency is being polite.

[Indigo91]

So what your saying is women are staying away from all the guys in the bar who are trying get laid but will make an exception if a tall guy with model looks is looking to get laid?

[JSmuve]

Precisely. Assuming her standards are that high. I'm sure there are girls who are willing to slum a bit, but those girls aren't prized pigs themselves.

[fermatote]

@JSmuve If the bars/nightclubs are difficult venues to pull, which is the easiest place to get girls? I assume you are not a student. My understanding is nightclubs are the place where you can have someone for hookup.

[JSmuve]

@fermatote I have no clue. I've never had success pulling.

[Indigo91]

There's always day pick up but that's even more creepier...

[fermatote]

I think its your way of approach. Its not impossible, I've seen average guy are having girls for the way they approached.

[Indigo91]

its crazy how most women have the sexual power in their prime (20s)

[fermatote]

in which context?

[Indigo91]

@fermatote they do the selecting of mates in their prime time with all the dating power which is in their 20s to early 30s.

[fermatote]

Look its not about how you look. Its about your approach. Yes its true if you are very good looking, its easier to get girls in those places. I, myself reject girls in the clubs. But only once, I got rejected because I was drunk and I grabbed her neck. Also sometimes those girls are in there for girls night out. Not to get someone to get laid.

[fermatote]

Having said that ( even though I'm not good to approach a girl) before approaching a girl try to make eye contact with her, check whether she is dancing outside of her group etc. Good luck.

[Indigo91]

@fermatote all i wanna know is how do i find out which women are out to meet people, what are the signs?

[ConsultantIsBack]

"requires a fair amount of superficial currency"
hahaha that line is money!!

[fermatote]

If a women is single, she is always ready to get a partner. But there are some women in the nightclubs who are really horny and goes there to have one night stand or whatever. I assume you are talking about them. You can check their body language. Like they will look around to find someone, will dance outside of her group. You can try to dance around her and make eye contact. Also keep in mind, dont be so desperate.

[Indigo91]

@fermatote the thing is women are nearly always in groups

[Indigo91]

@ConsultantIsBack lol oh yes dollar is the key to any womens heart...

[fermatote]

If they are within their group then you have to wait for their signal. But I've seen many times, women came in a group but they started to dance with random stranger.

[Indigo91]

@fermatote I dont know what do you do?

[fermatote]

I'm bit lucky. I dont have to approach. They approach to me, and sometimes I ignore them if I'm not interested.

[Indigo91]

@fermatote how do you know they approach you maybe they just been friendly? I get that sometime, it doesn't mean they want to sleep with you

[fermatote]

Ow, so its like say I'm dancing alone. Two girls suddenly started dance in front of me. Its not like they were eyeing me, but I can sense that they were inducing me. I naturally dont do anything by myself. So sometimes they by themselves opened their hand, invited me and kind of grabbed me for making out. But if dont go or ignore them, sometimes they got angry, pushed me and moved to other place.

[fermatote]

If they are friendly, they just came to me and started dancing. They look more confident.

[JSmuve]

@fermatote damnit guys, move this to a private conversation. I don't want to be notified of your little conversation every time

[fermatote]

Sorry dude.

[Indigo91]

@fermatote lol dont worry think chats over now anyways

[cth96190]

Because seldom do they experience an adverse consequence when they engage in such behaviour.
I learned early that it was a waste of time to approach females who were in groups, especially in nightclubs and bars.
Where I live, the young females competed with the group to see who could devliver the most bitchy, or vicious, putdown to males who approached them.
Investing time, money and effort in the pursuit of female company is a fool's errand.

[Indigo91]

... I have a funny feeling that this is going to be the most honest answer of this post

[steven7890789]

@cth96190 the women in those groups even rejected good looking guys most of the time?

[cth96190]

They rejected me. - lol
Seriously, though, I looked good enough to be a television presenter, although I have always been a bit socially awkward without a script, or a role to play.
The young females in nightclubs wanted obvious slimeball players, or sociopathic bad boys.
I imagine that later, after they had picked only bastards, they would stand with their friends and complain that "all men are bastards".
After a while, I walked away and left the nightclub princesses, players and bad boys to it.
They deserved each other.

[steven7890789]

I am shocked, why did they reject you if you are good looking?

[cth96190]

@steven7890789
Between the ages of 15 to about 30, the vast majority of females want players (oily nightclub Romeos) and sociopathic bad boys. Decent young men need not apply.
They want/wanted someone who looked like a rat with a gold tooth, or whose head should have been on a wanted poster.
That demonstrated female group preference changes about age 30, when they have the epiphany that Mr Harley MacBadBoy and Iva Necktattoo are scumbags and are not husband material.
Until then, they ride the bad boy cock carousel.
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRwjdTnp-NA

[steven7890789]

It is just that I thought they would give the good looking guys that are not badboys anexception just cause he is good looking. Other people have told me they give the good looking guys that are not badboys exceptions but I guess they were bullshitting.

[cth96190]

@steven7890789
I suppose that it depends upon the girl.
Females in nightclubs and bars are not worthy of your time. They are toxic.
Where I live (Gold Coast, Australia) it is criminal looking bad boys all the way for the nightclub party girls.
My work requires that I visit various nightclubs from time to time (unfortunately).
From what I have observed, there has not been a change in demonstrated female group preference since the days when I was interested.

[steven7890789]

What type of work involves visting nightclubs?

[cth96190]

@steven7890789
Entertainment writer.
I have to spend some time going what is called contact development.
Get to know the owners, who always invite me to visit their establishments. It is rude to not go, so I accept the invitation in good grace and spend a couple of hours drinking soda water while I watch the mating behaviour of the human animal.

[steven7890789]

Wow.

[cth96190]

@steven7890789
The strip clubs are the ones that I actually enjoy visiting.
I sit in a corner, well away from the stage.
The best show is not the girls, it is watching the sad, pathetic, desperate losers stuffing money into the garters of the girls, most of whom loathe the punters but fake it on stage.
The horny men give away a lot of money, but leave with blue balls. It is pathetic.
It would be better economics to visit a brothel.

[Indigo91]

Your a wise man OP, your like me... your an indigo man haha but yeah I know what your saying though. All throughout my teenage hood to early adolescence i realised from experience and knowledge that being the good caring humble guy for women didn't get me any results in life or in general... an sometimes even backfired. I now have to change my personality and put on a alpha psychopathic persona just because women do not value a gentleman or a good guy. Just imagine a world where women weren't attracted to money, power, greediness and psychopaths, the world would be a better place where there be no violence, crime or suffering. The average chump is left with no options but to become these toxic aspects just because women are mentally ill and irrational.

[steven7890789]

Have you had any luck being an alpha male?

[AleDeEurope]

Dude, when it comes to clubs you gotta be as bitchy as them. You won't find the best people at those places.
I don't know why girls have that weird attitude, perhaps it's looking hot + all the attention they get that makes them feel like goddesses, and a goddess will never fuck with a peasant, so you gotta be a god too, ergo, a bitch xD
You may not be a bitch in your regular life, but that's what clubs is, you gotta fake it, you can't be all goody-goody and expect a chick to open her legs for you, I can assure you that works 0% of the time.

[steven7890789]

@AleDeEurope NO WAY man. It sounds like you dealt with these problems too at the club like this guy. I am shocked man , because to be honest you are good looking. No homo. You had problems?

[AleDeEurope]

@steven7890789 sometimes I did. Girls feel superior to guys in clubs cause guys drop to their knees to get some, so you gotta show the girls you aren't beneath her and you're not gonna crawl for her.

[steven7890789]

@AleDeEurope that is sad man, that you have to be a jerk to them for them to accept you. What women are like this at the club. The good looking ones, average ones, or ugly ones or just most of them regardless how they look like?

[GuyAdviceFromGuy]

bitch shield, you have to penetrate it by calling them out on their behavior by teasing them about it, you can't act offended or get thrown off balance, when you deal with the curveballs the girls will eventually crack and lighten up and let you know if their interested or taken or not interested

[Indigo91]

do you know how hard it is to penetrate that bitch shield, its like walking on egg shells.

[the_rake]

check out this:

illimitablemen.com/.../

'Many people seem to think that shit testing is a social device unique to women; whereby a form of social test is employed to determine the social fitness of a male in order to discern if he is a viable sexual option or not.'

More generally,

'when somebody “gives you shit” and fucks with your head to see how you will react, what you are experiencing is typically a (series of) shit test (s) ... We use shit tests to make value judgements about people, likewise they can be used to determine how people cope under pressure. The underlying mechanism of shit tests is to test your mettle.'

[raio81597]

They're actually there for attention and also they get more attention by adding that bitchy obnoxious attitude. Not many will notice anyone if you are not loud.

[Indigo91]

I agree has to be for attention seeking, I mean why else would women go on a night out in next to nothing clothes on in middle of the winter and trust me it does get cold even when I wear a blazer. With all there flesh showing in freezing cold they must be obviously trying to attract men, I think the only reason why they have this attitude with men is because there attracting the men they want at the venues. Since they probably only want the alpha male in the club that all the other women are competing for I assume.

[raio81597]

Honestly in this case women are looking for anything relationship wise or even sex in general, they just need the validation and attention of men. It a need of being feminine to want attention, so if you go out there keep in mind it's like a hangout not a dating circle or place to find a woman. You would have better luck in the afternoon at the super market, many of the women wearing workout clothes are not actually coming from the gym, they're looking to attract a guy for a relationship usually. The bar and nightclub is just for fun.

[Druid64]

The idea that guys make the first move to establish a relationship with a girl is kind of rubbish. Smart money watches for signals from a lady that she is receptive to an approach. Without her subtle invitation you are inviting rejection.

Look for "understanding sex signals" by Leil Lowndes for the masterclass.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

They may not be attracted to you or may just not be interested in conversing with strangers im general. I know I don't like people and when I'm hanging out in a public place and a guy tries to hit on me I get sort of annoyed, I'm not there looking for a relationship.

[steven7890789]

Just because a woman is not physically attracted to a guy doesn't mean she should give him an attitude. You think it is ok for a woman to be bitchy to a guy because she is not attracted to him? Wow, how about turn him down nicely, instead of being bitchy to him and you would probably be ok with a good looking guy hitting on you in a public place?

[Indigo91]

@steven7890789 nice words Steven... truly nice words. This should be a quote on tumblr!

[steven7890789]

@MaiNameISSunshine it is funny how that since I am right that is the reason you are not responding.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@steven7890789 are you so pathetic you came back here 2 days later? Ever heard of moving on? I didn't answer because you missed my point entirely to fit your little rant. Grow up asshole.

[steven7890789]

YOU ARE the one that needs to grow up. You are ok with women being bitch towards guys at the bar or club just because they are not attracted to them or just because they aren't interested in talking to strangers at the bar or club. You didn't say if you think it is wrong if you think women are bitchy at the club or bar. That is immature as hell and dumb.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@steven7890789 I NEVER once said it was okay but I guess you're too dim to actually read things and take them for what they are because you want to rant and cry. I offered a possible explanation as to why someone may react poorly. You are clearly lacking maturity if your argument is "but you never said you didn't support it so you do". That's shit logic. Grow the hell up honey.

[Indigo91]

@steven7890789 ... i dont even know why you are arguing with a 15 year old in first place. At that age the only thing they know is how to take a selfie in front of mirror.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

Awww is baby threatened so he had to bring up my age. That makes both of you all the more pathetic, a 15 year old is less petty and dim than you. Sad.

[Indigo91]

Exactly my point cupcake, 15 year old little girls can't handle or are not capable of having adult conversation so fallback on a teenage bratty attitude response. Now I know the reason why your still not allowed to vote yet because your brain is not fully developed to have an opinion, 15 year old girls have no say in society or this planet and shouldn't really even on GAG to be fair... especially little gremlins like you. So go play in your Wendy house and take a selfie with your teddies, in fact why don't you just get off this website because too many of you's lot spamming GAG. Your not allowed to answer adult question. You have a good day now cupcake :)

[steven7890789]

@MaiNameIsSunshine well do you agree with a female being a bitch to a guy at the bar or club that is nice and respectful to her just because she doesn't want to talk to strangers or just because she isn't attracted to him or whatever the reason is? Yes or no? Now we are talking about the subject.

[steven7890789]

That is what I thought, you not responding to me asking you if you think is wrong for a woman to reject a guy harshly at the bar or club just because she is not attracted to him or doesn't want to talk to strangers proves how you have no problem with them a woman rejecting a guy badly at the bar or club that is nice. How ironic you got me immature when you are clearly the immature one.

[jacquesvol]

Kinda self defense: some girls behave bitchy/obnoxious/mean in bars and nightclubs because bars and nightclubs are the kind of place where they expect drunk/obnoxious/mean guys. If they're there with a boyfriend they fear to get him jealous. If they're there without their boyfriend they fear other people will snitch on them and get him jealous.

[EllieLexis513]

Men are the same way and I don't think you guys even realize it. I'm not talking to a guy with alcohol on his breath referring to me as 'sexy' without asking my name and being all up in my bubble.

Besides, it's a fucking bar. Who did you think you'd find there? Snow White?

[Curmudgeon]

DON'T waste your time in such establishments. You end up looking desperate and foolish, unless you like hanging out with your "bros" in such places.

Your odds of meeting women are better on internet personals sites than in bars and nightclubs, and that's saying a lot.

[ConsultantIsBack]

@fearless_banana 😂😂😂😂

[Fearless_banana]

lol holy shit. Some men have just gone off the deep end.

[Curmudgeon]

@ConsultantIsBack Who is fearless_banana?

[Fearless_banana]

Pshh. Whos fearlessbana lol. Lol @ you. https://s32.postimg.org/hf8pneqrp/fordamisc.png

[ConsultantIsBack]

@Fearless_banana omg!!! Hahaha
Did u meet her off an internet personal site? 😂😂😂😂

[Fearless_banana]

@ConsultantIsBack Yeah I just looked on craigslist. Not srs.

[Sara413]

They're not interested in you, and unfortunately being even the slightest bit nice to a guy who is hitting on you at the bar tends to give them the idea you're interested, so we default to being bitchy.

[the_rake]

to be honest, you don't have to be that nice. just straight: "I'm not interested, sorry" -> that's it. No offence, no misinterpretation unless the guys a fucking psycho (and if he is, you're just going to get MORE shit by being rude and catty).

[the_rake]

*you don't even have to smile, you don't even have to engage in conversation. just one simple line, that's it.*

[Sara413]

@the_rake speaking from a great deal of experience, no, saying "not interested" doesn't work. More often than not, they'll just take it at a challenge. It's easier to just be bitchy.

[the_rake]

'More often than not, they'll just take it at a challenge.'

Better than them getting angry, e. g. if you act bitchy.

Act bitchy to the wrong guy just once and you will regret it, believe me.

[Sara413]

@the_rake it's a lot scarier to be followed around all night by some dude who thinks he's got a chance and very well might follow you when you leave than it is to be a bitch in a bar full of people where he's likely to just call you a cunt and go find another target.

I'm the one with a decade of experience being a woman who goes to bars... perhaps I have a bit better of an idea of what does and does not work to manage the reactions of creepy men than you do.

[the_rake]

well, I've been clubbing for a long time also and been on the receiving end of bitchy girls more times than I can count so maybe you should not discount my experience (and no, I am not a creep: I am very respectful). let me tell you, it isn't a pleasant ordeal.

[Sara413]

@the_rake you asked why women are bitchy - I told you why...

[the_rake]

@Sara413

I didn't ask the original question and for what it's worth, I don't think that validates the way many women behave in bars and clubs (sometimes outside of bars and clubs too).

[Sara413]

@the_rake my bad.

But hey, whatever. Whether you think it's justified or not doesn't really matter..

[the_rake]

tbh no rational person seriously believes it's acceptable to be bitchy to a guy that is respectful in his approach. this is where the expression 'benefit of doubt' is relevant. in life in general, it's better not to assume the worst until somebody has proven the worst. if we all did that our relationships would be screwed. but yes, this is a pointless discussion.

[Sara413]

@the_rake that's easy to say when you're not the one who is constantly having to deal with aggressive guys hitting on you... we can't tell who is going to turn into a creep and follow us around all night and who's going to respect our refusal and leave us alone.. and when the majority of men who hit on us in bars tend to be the former, it's not worth bothering giving the "benefit of the doubt". Being nice to the wrong guy can literally ruin a woman's entire fucking night... so sorry if I weigh my own safety and comfort a bit above being polite...

[Sara413]

I have literally had a guy pester me for like an hour wanting to buy me a drink and then when I finally said ok and let him buy me one he followed me around the rest of the night trying to dance with me and buying me more drinks even though I kept telling him to leave me alone. And then, I shit you not, as I was leaving he followed me out of the bar and tried to get into my cab with me and started screaming at me about all the money he spent buying me drinks all night and that I owed him!

THAT is the shit women deal with from guys at bars. THAT is the shit we have to try to avoid.

[the_rake]

'easy to say'

easy to say when you're not a single, frustrated guy having to deal not only with rejection but rude, catty women that want to break your confidence and humiliate you, and then you go online and read some b. s. justifications of lame behaviour that you know are b. s. from times you've had to ward off aggressive guys yourself in the past (sometimes guys wanting to start a fight, sometimes guys asking for money, sometimes homosexual guys trying to hit on you). in short, I've been on both sides of that coin, I'm well aware how it works, believe me.

[Jxpxtxr]

Only when intrusive guys are around (and there usually always are at least one or two) because that's just annoying af.

[KattFeesh]

Girls feel empowered when there with another group of girls and they get all their anger out. That's why I don't like to go to bars with a group

[Indigo91]

what makes them feel empowered?

[KattFeesh]

The combined energy of all present is greater than each individual. Been there done that is stupid but they have each other to back them up

[Indigo91]

jesus why does it have to be hostile lol I only want to have good time an meet people women

[Indigo91]

*meet women

[KattFeesh]

I wish I could say I'm a genius and I have it all figured out but unfortunately I was not blessed with genius. So far I do understand a little bit about group psychology. It's like team sports. The coach has a job and that job is to get each individual player to believe that everybody on the team is empowered by the entire team. You do not route for your self you root for the team. You are part of the team. GOOOOOOO TEAM! Now translate that into six girls sitting at a club. Each one of them feels more power because they are on the team. What team? The team of girls. GOOOOOOO TEAM! That feeling is what releases them to treat you like crap. As I said been there done that and that's why I go to bars alone.

[Indigo91]

That's what releases them to treat me like crap, I didn't realize women these days were so insecure. Women are slaves to there emotions unfortunately but am glad you told me anyway because saves me time and bullshit. An why do you keep saying "been there done that!" did you have a bad experience in past when drinking with a group of women?

[steven7890789]

That's immature don't you think?

[steven7890789]

I obviously hit a nerve lol. Wow.

[KattFeesh]

@steven7890789 you didn't hit a nerve. I just told you the truth

[steven7890789]

You didn't answer my question though, meaning I hit a nerve. You obviously don't want to admit that women being bitchy with other girls just because they feel empowered is immature.

[steven7890789]

Clearly you need to grow up, and so do your female friends.

[KattFeesh]

@steven7890789 I gave you an answer. It is yours to interpret. I also told you why I do not like to go in a group. Go ahead, get all of your anger out. Don't involve me. I go alone as I previously mentioned. I go alone because I want to get picked up. And going in a group makes it much more difficult. Keep going Steven7890789. Here is a cyber couch that you can lie on. Tell me about your childhood. Was it difficult. How did your mother treat you. Did your father give you a used baseball glove instead of a brand-new one?

[Indigo91]

On behalf of my last comment, why do you keep saying "been there done that!" did you have a bad experience in past when drinking with a group of women or your friends?

[KattFeesh]

I have gone alone to clubs and I have gone in groups. That is what I mean by, "been there done that." I've experienced it both ways. I prefer going alone. Why do you make a big deal out of this? I am agreeing with you. I am agreeing with you because of my experience. I am not insecure. My mother bought me a new dollhouse not a used one. And I am perfectly secure in a nightclub situation. I am not being hostile to you and in addition I think I have explained this in every way possible. Now to get to your question of why girls treat you like crap, I really don't have an answer. Analyzing you as an individual in a nightclub would require me being there seeing how you act and watching people's reaction to you. Maybe you act like a schmuck or two aggressive. You have to look in the mirror because of all girls treat you like crap then it is up to you to figure out what you are doing not what the girls are doing.

[steven7890789]

Excuse me? My childhood was fine. Wth are you even talking about? It doesn't make sense that you bring that up. That is strange. I was just asking you something.

[KattFeesh]

@steven7890789 know you attacked me saying that I need to grow up and so do my friends. I've told you or I've mentioned it that I don't like to go in groups. Now you talk about immaturity. This is not the case. This is group psychology. The same would go for a group of men. Read what I write not what you think. Don't apply your feelings to what I'm saying. Group psychology empowers people forget girls or guys –PEOPLE. You want to feel powerful – join a group like the KKK for example. Or the people voting for Donald Trump

[steven7890789]

I am not racist, so no thanks.

[justbanANNAz]

what on earth are you expecting from those places? elegance, modesty and chastity?

[Indigo91]

Its called manners and respect sweet cheeks. Its not very lady like speaking or behaving that way to people, god knows who's raising girls these days, some of the behavior was just vile that you wouldn't do in any setting. Except a whore house lol , I thought bars were a place for social gatherings and positive vibes.

[justbanANNAz]

well i hate to inform u, sweet cheeks, that you won't find that kind of behaviour there anymore. bars aren't as 'classy' as they used to be. sure the vibes are positive, but they're a little too positive at times if u know what i mean. either that or they're just horrible. hence y i only go to bars during the day lol, where people are usually somewhat civil and no creep would dare touch u because it's daylight.

[Indigo91]

Its got nothing to do with creeps, you girls don't even know the meaning of the word. Its the sheer fact that women in bars are angry and frustrated that the small pool of men (tall, big muscles and good looking) aren't approaching them except for the ugly men and average chumps.

[steven7890789]

Hey man her not answering, means you are right.

[justbanANNAz]

@steven7890789 logic on point.

[Indigo91]

Was that sarcasm?

[justbanANNAz]

absolutely.

[Indigo91]

There's no need to be angry and frustrated I can't help not been tall and having brad Pitt aesthetics :(:(... lol

[steven7890789]

Are you serious when admitting I am right?

[steven7890789]

She is confusing man

[ConsultantIsBack]

It's because they aren't attracted to you. Sorry, don't shoot the messenger

[steven7890789]

So you are ok with a woman being bitchy to a guy just because she isn't attracted to him? That is immature don't you think? She can be nice when rejecting him.

[ConsultantIsBack]

@steven7890789 I didn't say anything for you to assume that

[steven7890789]

It is the way you answered, you are ok with women rejecting men harshly if they aren't attracted to them. So you are ok with women being bitch to this guy at the bar or club?

[ConsultantIsBack]

@steven7890789 No she shouldn't be a bitch and she should be nice about it I agree with you

[Indigo91]

@steven7890789 steven relax you can't negotiate with women when it comes to rational or logical thinking. Since they are emotional based and make emotional decisions...

[Indigo91]

*emotionally

[steven7890789]

@ConsultantIsBack ok that is good.

[bente2]

It's probably because they don't want to be approached. Maybe they're having a girls' night, a boyfriend, aren't interested or looking right now or maybe it's you.

[steven7890789]

@bente2 you mean unless the guy that approaches the single woman is good looking right? Also just because a woman is not interested, etc. it doesn't mean she should be bitchy towards the guy. No excuse to be bitchy towards a guy that is respectful and is nice. Look at the guys post talking about bitchy women.

[steven7890789]

at the bar and club

[bente2]

@steven7890789 uh no, if I don't want to be approached appearance does not matter😂 Not all girls are shallow, stop generalizing. And if a man THINKS he is being respectful and nice, it does not mean he nesaccerily is. There's guys that think catcalling is 'giving women a compliment' so, yeah.

[Indigo91]

Ohhh i didn't know asking a women to dance or offering to buy her a drink wasn't necessarily nice...

[bente2]

It's the way you say it, not what you do. Geez, almost all guys seem to think you owe someone a smile just because they're decent human beings. Stop bitching.

[Indigo91]

Yeah! am so sorry for calling women out on their bullshit lol

[bente2]

Calling it 'bullshit' is discriminating. Everybody has the right to thwir own opinion, and since you don't look like you're changing yours and I'm not interested in teling you feminist things to explain myself only to have it be called bullshit, I'm leaving.

[steven7890789]

I said if a guy is ACTUALLY being respectful and nice to you at the bar or club seem to think it is ok to be bitchy towards him just because you don't want to talk to anyone other than your friends. There is a thing called rejecting nicely. No need to reject a guy harshly if he is respectful and nice.

[bente2]

@steven7890789 lmao girls are bitchy because they weren't interested in the guy in the first place, and if they don't show they can save themselves he might get agressive or violent

[steven7890789]

So even if a guy is nice and respectful you think it is ok for a woman to be bitchy to him just because they are not interested? That is immature as hell. I agree if he is a jerk but if he is nice and respectful and a woman rejects him harshly instead of doing it the right way,(which is rejecting nicely) then she is a bitch.

[bente2]

@steven7890789 I think everyone has a right to do whatever the fuck they want. A girl doesn't owe you a nice rejection, even if you were nice.

[steven7890789]

@bente2 would you have the same opinion when it comes to guys rejecting women harshly that are being nice? I don't think so.

[bente2]

@steven7890789 I do think so, I am all for feminism. Just like I think you have a right to hit a woman when dhe hits you.

[Indigo91]

Women only want equality when it either suits or benefits them in some kind of way over men.

[bente2]

Yeah because that is what equality means.🙄🤔 are you stupid?

[Indigo91]

How does having more benefits than men mean equality... are you stupid?

[bente2]

goddamn, all right. EQUALITY. meaning no sex has benefits. That is the definition of equality. Anyone wanting their sex to have advantages can't be considered a feminist, it's the opposite. you really are uneducated.

[Indigo91]

... Now i know the reason why under 18s are not allowed to vote yet lol, your say in this world does not matter because you teenagers have no idea what your talking about and everything you is just hormonal bitchy trash talk you hear on high school playgrounds. I am only stupid for arguing with a 15 year old girl who has no right to an opinion since your brain hasn't fully developed yet to be capable to handle debates which I understand but please get off my post you annoying little girl. Go play with your barbies because you honestly have no idea how much utter tripe you are chatting right now.

[bente2]

LMAO. "Adults" trying to invalidate me for my age. Hilarious. Listen buddy, my age doesn't mean I can't have an educated opinion, my intelligence is way too high for that. Academically I'm at the highest level in my country. Some teenagers might not voice their opinions right, but I do. And if I weren't 15, you would've just shut the hell up because you know I'm right. You're just too thick and stubborn to realise. Bye.

[Dandeus]

A lot of the time they're out with friends, not looking to meet new people.

[Indigo91]

So wheres best place?

[steven7890789]

@Dandeus that is a lie because they are out to only be with friends UNLESS a good looking guy approaches them right? You forgot to add that part.

[steven7890789]

@Dandeus I obviously told the truth since you haven't responded to me.

[steven7890789]

Truth hurts you

[steven7890789]

You are a fool.

[datgirl]

Because they are surrounded by creepy guys trying to get into their pants

[Indigo91]

Yeah and I'm surrounded by self entitled gold digging attention seeking whores.

[datgirl]

Someone's bitter.

[steven7890789]

@datgirl do you think it is ok for a woman to reject a guy in a BITCHY WAY at the bar or club if he is being NICE and NOT CREEPY?

[datgirl]

@steven7890789 nope, that's not nice at all and I would never be bitchy like that if the dewd was being nice to me.

[steven7890789]

I am glad you realize the women that are that way are wrong. What do you think about women that reject a guy in a bitchy way at the bar or club that are being nice and not creepy?

[steven7890789]

Like what would you call those type of women?

[datgirl]

@steven7890789 that's called being a bitch.

[steven7890789]

Agree

[MasterofYou]

Sometimes they just want to go out a have a good time with the girls...

[steven7890789]

Unless it is a good looking guy that approaches them, you forgot to add that part right?

[steven7890789]

What is wrong? Truth hurts in my last message lol?

[MasterofYou]

@steven7890789 what is your point?

[steven7890789]

My point is you agree with me saying unless it is a good looking guy?

[steven7890789]

Right?

[steven7890789]

What is wrong with you man?

[MasterofYou]

@steven7890789 nothing wrong with me go look in the mirror... I ignore people like you...

[Indigo91]

Well you obviously can't answer him because you know he is making a point

[MasterofYou]

Not really..,. I just don't want to deal with that clown...

[steven7890789]

You call people clowns that are telling it like it is. You can't handle the truth. Why are such chickent shit to admit that women only want to spend time with their female friends unless a good looking guy approaches them? I don't get why it is hard to admit that. You have a problem. You can respond and talk with someone like adults do instead of ignoring like a little kid.

[steven7890789]

He is not man enough to admit that I am telling the truth man

[Indigo91]

@steven7890789 I dunno but he probably part of the problem. From sounds of it he could be your typical beta orbiter, white knight or mangina. He is part of the reason women are self entitled spoilt human beings that are whoring around with bad men and players.

[steven7890789]

Yeah man, I understand

[kelvinmed]

You won't find modesty in a bar man. Whether you like it or not. Avoid those women. Don't expect to change them or turn people away from them. That's expecting too much

[mberrie]

IF i go to clubs it's because I wanna have a good time with my friends, drink and dance WITH THEM!!

[steven7890789]

You forgot to say unless it is a good looking hitting on me, I will accept him having a conversation with me.

[mberrie]

@steven7890789 lol, no, not even then...

[steven7890789]

@mberrie alright but I wish you realized it is still wrong to be bitchy towards the guys.

[steven7890789]

@mberrie cause it seems you don't realize it.

[mberrie]

@steven7890789 I don't understand how you got "bitchy" from that👆🏻

[steven7890789]

Because look at that the guy's question, you didn't say anything about how wrong it is that women act bitchy, even though if a woman doesn't want to meet any guy or whatever, she still shouldn't be bitchy to him, you respond to the guy's post answering if you agree with women being that way at the bar and club.

[mberrie]

@steven7890789 because I don't agree with what he said. Girls acting "bitchy" is his perception.

[steven7890789]

How would you know, you weren't there, just answer the question the way he is asking, it is known there are many women that are ACTUALLY BITCHY to guys that are even nice to them in the bar or club and you seem to think it is ok for the woman to be bitchy to a guy just because she doesn't want to talk to any stranger or him there. There is such a thing as rejecting nicely NOT IN A BITCHY way.

[steven7890789]

Well answer my last message, if you don't answer my last message it shows how you are ok with a woman rejecting a guy harshly at the bar or club that is not being a jerk.

[steven7890789]

That is what I thought. Truth hurts you.

[orphan]

don't worry. they don't act so tough on their way back to their car. teehee

[ConsultantIsBack]

lmao

[Nomad69]

They are their to sniff coke, suck dick and get guys to buy them drinks that is all

[Indigo91]

sounds decent in Canada i see

[rgb008]

Because you can't be like that in the office 5 days a week.

[Anonymous]

Most of the time, girls go out, not to be hit on, but to have fun with their girl friends. So, if they get approached by men, they'll be standoffish

[steven7890789]

That's a lie cause they will be out to just have fun with their girlfriends unless a good looking guy hits on them right?

[Opinion Owner]

nope, even good looking guys

[Indigo91]

If only i was rich

[Opinion Owner]

right?

[Indigo91]

Id be slaying pussy everyday like dan bilzerian

[APRU5]

Because if you go to that kind of place you will find that kind of person. Try a park or library or the streets

[Anonymous]

Well sometimes they just want to have fun in their company and not deal with guys or get picked up

[steven7890789]

Unless it is a good looking guy right?

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 even he could get refused if they all have boyfriends already and it's a girls night out

[Indigo91]

yeah but model look guys are in for a bigger chance while us average chumps have got to go through rejection on auto-pilot. How much rejection can a man take to the point of having no soul left

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah I hear ya, I guess you just get numb after awhile from trying so many times, it's more of a numbers game I think

[Indigo91]

What do you do to ease the pain?

[Opinion Owner]

Masturbate a lot is what I do, lol

[Indigo91]

I suppose thats a good enough exit for a quick release. Have you ever tried whores before?

[Opinion Owner]

Only on Craigslist for just a Bj

[Indigo91]

Well can't you get a high end whore and pay some money for it?

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah but I don't have the money to spend like that and don't want to have to sex with them, I'd rather just find a girlfriend for that eventually

[Indigo91]

Well you did say your immune to rejection so I dont see why not you can't head to a few bars to find a girlfriend i suppose.

[Opinion Owner]

I never felt bars were a good place to meet women, I don't really drink and don't smoke and most women there just want to have a good time with their friends, you would have to separate one of them to be able to talk to her but they have a boyfriend a lot of times so most I've my success was on the Internet , I met my wife on a chat room back in 1997 but now I'm recently divorced and just trying apps with dating sites but haven't met many but I still get some once in awhile

[Indigo91]

what actually online works? I never get a response from any of them and either does most of my friends so I just go out hoping to meet women but where do you go when women in bars are not up for it?

[Opinion Owner]

Well you need to make your profile interesting and put your best picture in and then it just becomes a numbers game where you just keep sending messages and likes to as many as possible. If your trying meet while out and you're a little bold , the supermarket is good or while at work in certain jobs, even on lunch breaks since they have to eat too , I see them everywhere , or activities you like that is also something they like , as in volleyball , softball, tennis and even archery

[steven7890789]

I mean if they are single man, that if they are to only spend time with friends unless it is a good looking guy right?

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 it will still be tuff for him even when they are in their group , they are out to have a good time and not interested in getting picked at that place, they may not be as bitchy to him but they will let him know they are not interested. It's very to separate one from the group even when it's girls not out and they will give you a bitchy attitude to keep you from trying again since some guys don't get the hint

[steven7890789]

That is messed up, so they would be less bitchy to a guy at the bar or club when rejecting him if he is good looking? That is so dumb, messed up, and doesn't make sense. All the rejections towards guys at the bars and clubs should be done in a nice way, regardless how they guys look like. It is stupid to decide to reject the non good looking guy in a bad way just because he is average or ugly.

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 that's just the way it is with any situation , attractive people get treated better while average and ugly people get treated badly

[steven7890789]

That is sad man.

[steven7890789]

Do you agree that people should be equally nice to average and ugly people?

[Indigo91]

@steven7890789 Well yeah they should Steven it would make the bars and clubs a better atmosphere to spend time in without all the hostility but you can't change nothing unless we begin reprogramming society again to alter human behavior. They have the right to say fuck off and shout abuse whether we like it or not and they no law against that.

[steven7890789]

That sucks man. Do you agree that it sucks?

[Indigo91]

@steven7890789 Yeah it does suck... it sucks like hell but some guys have ways of dealing with bullshit like that which is to go MGTOW.

[steven7890789]

What is MGTOW?

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 Men Going Their Own Way, basically not dealing with women anymore and enjoying single life

[steven7890789]

Oh I see.

[Anonymous]

It's because they probably aren't there to hook up with a guy, they are there with their friends and if that's not the case, maybe you're just creepy.

[steven7890789]

Unless the guy that approaches them is good looking right, then they would be ok with him talking to them? And regardless if they aren't there to look for a guy, if a guy is respectful towards them when approaching it is messed up to be bitchy towards them when they are nice. There is no excuse when the guy is nice. They don't have to talk to him but no excuse to reject the nice guy in a bitchy way. You seem to be ok with a woman being bitch towards guys that talk to them in bars even though they are nice.

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 There's always a risk for women that you're a rapist. You wouldn't understand because you weren't raised being told every day how you're supposed to prevent it happening: don't walk certain places alone, don't talk to strangers online, be rude to guys so they stop bothering you.

[steven7890789]

Once again I am not saying if a guy is a jerk, I am saying if he is being NICE why are you ok with women at the club and bar rejecting him harshly?

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 Do you think guys who want to do bad things to women approach them that way? No dumbfuck, if he's super nice that's all the more reason to be wary of him

[steven7890789]

So you assuming right away that the guy that is being nice is an asshole is sad. Not all guys in life are the same and not all guys at bars and clubs are the same. There are guys that are truly nice and not faking it that do approach women at bars and clubs, why don't you realize that you could be rejecting a guy in a bad way that is truly nice?

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 Guys that go to bars to hit on girls are pretty much all the same, your argument is senseless. And why do I care if he's nice? Do you think women all go out to clubs together to "meet a nice guy"? No, we came to have a laugh and get wasted together. So you and your "niceness" can fuck off

[steven7890789]

I am saying what if the guy is not even hitting on you. There are some guys at bars, clubs, etc. that just start talking to someone asking them how their day was or whatever and they have no other motive. They have no motive for sex or dating. These guys even talk to guys sometimes and they are straight. These friendly chit chat guys that are talking to you, you don't have to except them, it seems you think that I am telling you to not reject them, all I am saying is to reject them NICELY. All I am saying is to reject a guy NICELY unless he is a jerk, then reject them harshly.

[steven7890789]

Get what I am saying now?

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 No, you have literally no point. I decided not to respond because you seem to have mental disabilities.

[steven7890789]

What makes you say that?

[steven7890789]

You are a fool.

[AhGojira]

They probably just don't want advances form you...

[steven7890789]

So you think that makes it ok for them to be mean to him? They should reject a guy nicely man not harshly. I can't believe you are ok with women rejecting men harshly at bars and clubs.

[AhGojira]

@steven7890789 I don't really care how they act. Not everyone is going to get along. Sometimes you have good interactions with people, other times you have bad iterations with people. Everyone doesn't have to be nice to you and you shouldn't take it personally if someone is mean to you. As a side note, you can easily flip that on most girls that play that game... if those are the types of girl are actually want to waste time with...

[steven7890789]

By ''flip'' on most girls that play that game what are you talking about?

[AhGojira]

@steven7890789 "Bitches" are crazy insecure so they wear a mask. When your not affaid of their shenanigans they see you as strong. What do you think a really weak insecure person deep down feels they need? A rock...

[steven7890789]

Are you saying really weak insecure guys need to be tough?

[AhGojira]

@steven7890789 Nope, just saying some really insecure girls put up a bitchy front. Then when you turn the tables on them cleverly and are unaffected by their shitty attitude they change their tone... They're not the best girls to pursue anyway, just saying things aren't always as they seem.

[steven7890789]

Oh I see.

[Anonymous]

Come to England, we're much better.

[steven7890789]

Are you sure about that? I heard the women there are just like American women or in fact worse.

[Rainie_]

Haha not in clubs and bars darling. Not at all 😂

[the_rake]

you're under 18, you don't know what you're talking about.

[the_rake]

@steven7890789

they are indeed, probably worse.

[Opinion Owner]

@the_rake ahaha i just look old i've been clubbing once a week ish for about 2 years

[Opinion Owner]

@steven7890789 we're not fake and my friends and i are all nice but i suppose i don't really go talking to other girls in nightclubs.

[steven7890789]

Well observing most other women in the club how are they?

[steven7890789]

@Rainie_ are you talking to me?

[Rainie_]

@steven7890789 I was talking to the opinion owner.

Where on earth do you live where you get into the clubs though? ID's are really thoroughly checked in the UK when it comes to clubs. Even those outside the cities that I've been to check IDs no matter how old someone looks.

[steven7890789]

@Rainie_ alright but you made it seem that you think English women in bars and clubs are just as bitchy as American women in bars and clubs.

[Rainie_]

@steven7890789 They are lol, some can be bitchy as hell, even to me when Im just minding my own business dancing with my friends 😂

[steven7890789]

@Rainie_ you live in England?

[Opinion Owner]

@Rainie_ i live in london its not that hard i have a very good one

[Rainie_]

@steven7890789 I live in London😐

[the_rake]

@Anonymous

'i just look old i've been clubbing once a week ish for about 2 years'

still you and you're friends probably won't have been hit on by many guys in that period, especially not if they can all see how young you are.

I don't know what clubs you're going to that you're not getting id'd and I seriously have a hard time believing you get into clubs in London.

I been clubbing since I was 19. Only went for one weekend at sixteen, but still I've got 5 years experience of nightclubs.

@steven7890789
'observing most other women in the club how are they'

I'm English and I can promise you

@Rainie_

'They are lol, some can be bitchy as hell'

Thank you!

[the_rake]

@steven7890789

*I'm English and I can promise you they are.

[Indigo91]

@the_rake where abouts in England you from may I ask... if its not personal?

[the_rake]

@Asker

Birmingham

[Indigo91]

@the_rake brummy lol

[apple24]

Because we can! Duh! You can! Try it sometime!

[Indigo91]

Naa i'd rather not thanks, I was brought up by a decent family with values :)

[the_rake]

@Asker

if only I could upvote opinion comments, lol

[Wikingguy]

Because, it is written in their DNAs.

[CougarBoss]

Because we are drunk and horny lol

[Indigo91]

... it still dont make sense

[CougarBoss]

I love bars and clubs

[Indigo91]

so do I but dont women wanna bit of fun on dancefloor ey ;-)

[the_rake]

well if you were that horny, you wouldn't act in ways that would indicate disinterest and repel men from making further advances, lol.

[anonman32]

because their ego is blown up bigger than saturn.

[Indigo91]

blame social media and dating sites for that... especially tinder (I fucking hate that app)

[bcromartie]

Because all that noise.

[shadowlegend]

They be drinkin'.

[Anpu23]

Yes it's normal.

[steven7890789]

What's normal?

[Anpu23]

@steven7890789 women being bitchy, etc.

[steven7890789]

Lol man