Do women nowadays still like old fashioned guys?
Well, first, you have to ask what you mean by "old-fashioned". From what I can gather, old fashioned harkens back to days when women were women and marriage actually meant something. Also, if a guy holds a door open for his girl, it's because he thinks she is special and deserving of special treatment.
Nowadays, guys don't often hold doors for their girls, because they have been raised on feminist ideals that women are their equals, not their complements, and as such anything you can do, she can do... so why does she even NEED you? Women need men like a fish needs a bicycle, and for the last 50 years the women's right movements have gone on to attempt to act like men to prove how little the men in their lives mean to them.
In throwing out the baby with the bathwater, men have had to learn abundance mentality: women are not delicate flowers who need to be protected and cherished; one woman is just as good as the next. After all, this isn't the middle ages and men aren't domestic servants. Women are just sex objects; the whole point of dating is just to get the woman in bed, so really the main challenge is how to spend the least amount of resources to get there.
So now men and women are at a crossroads: on the one hand, women want to be treated like queens while not acting the part, while men are just supposed to go along with it and are scorned for not doing so, but they are also scorned for doing so because that is sexist. Some men don't give a damn and do it anyway, while an increasing number of men have woken up to the trend and either adapted to the changing landscape or simply walked away--that's the MGTOW movement. There may be old-fashioned women out there that actually wanted to be treated like ladies, but an increasingly feminist society is seeing women trying to have their cake and eat it, too. For the women that say "yes, I want an old-fashioned treatment", ask yourself, "why? What makes you special enough that a men should go out of his way just for you? What makes you different to all the others?" If you can't very-well answer that question, then it's no wonder pick-up artists are so good at their craft and why special treatment is a dying kind.
Everyone is so focused on being completely equal they don't see that as men and women we are different therefore we'll anever be completely equal.
So you're saying women did a mistake by gaining independency and the right to vote? Because I'm telling you, opening car doors is not old fashioned. Old fashioned is the man working his ass off at work, while the wife is home with kids/cooking and cleaning. Old fashioned is disrespecting women and not tearing them as equals, instead something of his property. Some girls may say old fashioned but it's not what they mean.
I believe I'm a feminist cause like I want to be equal and stuff, I want people to see that I'm strong and can work just as hard as a man can but like that doesn't mean that I don't want to have doors held open for me and stuff cause like that's not the same thing.
Also, I'm not over here saying men and trash and Men are worthless because you can generalize a gender. Some men are trash and I avoid them but all of my male friends, I love them. So like nah
Chivalry is still much appreciated ❤❤❤❤ I love it
I don't think you females understand what he is trying to say. You expect chivalry, which is to be put on a pedestal. But in my experience when a female is put on a pedestal then she feels like she is the better in the relationship. When was the last time you were chivalrous towards a male?
Females like the thought of being equal, but males and females are not. From a human being standpoint, yes, they are equal. That's where it all stops. Can a female do everything a male can? Yes. Are females biologically able to do everything a male can at an equal rate? No. We are built differently, mentally and physically. If you think otherwise you are a fool. For instance, single mothers are a common occurrence nowadays. Single fathers are becoming a larger group. A male is expected to understand that a single mother's children will always come first. But when the roles are reversed most females are okay with it at first. Over time resentment starts to settle in and no female likes to be #2 on their mates list. Fact of the matter is we can all have equal rights, but we will always expect unequal treatment.
@maiave no one is saying that it was a mistake for women to gain independence. he's saying that those actions have consequences. putting women on a pedestal and treating them like princesses is a part of being old fashioned. men used to treat women special because they were seen as weaker and needed to be protected. now that women are stronger and dont need men, you dont need our special treatment. get it?
There was always gonna be a price to pay when women decided it was more important to have a career instead of staying home to raise their kids which in my eyes is the most important job. So instead of having a mom there to teach them how to be with a woman, they have strangers they pay that will never teach, care for and love your kids the way you would have had you not had to have a career. Let's face it. If certain men and women are rotten it's because that's how they were raised. I'm glad I got the chance to stay home with my son. Because he does respect Women and he does open doors for me, other women, and elderly people. He respects adults and isn't gonna hit women even if they hit him.
@PinkMichae "Because he does respect Women and he does open doors for me, other women, and elderly people. He respects adults and isn't gonna hit women *even if they hit him*."
You totally screwed up on that last part. In your attempt to fight misogyny by telling your son to take the hit because "she's a woman", you are continuing to demonstrate special treatment for women. "Never hit a woman, no matter what", is another form of "women are a protected class". If a woman attacks a man, he has every right to defend himself and hit her back--if necessary. She does not get a pass simply because of her sex. Until women as a whole actually start acting like women and not as a stand-ins for men, the "never hit a woman" mantra is dead.
@Investigator. I didn't mean he wouldn't defend himself if she was full on attacking. What I mean is if a woman slaps him he knows to do everything he can to get away from her like walk away. I've taught him he is only to put his hands on someone male or female if he has to stop them from attacking. Something like a female getting angry and slapping him doesn't mean he slaps or punches her back. If someone isn't attacking then you choose to hit them back. That's retaliation not self defence. I'd rather him have them arrested. You push away or restrain someone before hitting them. So I stand by what I've taught him. And there was a reason why my generation and the generations before me were taught that boys should never hit girls. Obviously we were taught no one should hit. But men are physically stronger and at one point were the protectors as us women were the nurtures. Don't think men didn't have their special treatments too.
Some do, BUT A LOT don't. Let's talk about my girlfriend for example:
She has dated a lot of losers in her life - thugs, broke men, men with no goals, men who sell drugs.
Now... before anyone says that she isn't a good woman... SHE IS. She is in her last year of college, is getting a masters in psychology, pays for herself on dates (sometimes we pay for each other), cooks for me when she can, and we help each other out, which is how it should be.
She said that before she met me, she was very rough around the edges... but she said she was attracted to me because I was kind, gentle, goal oriented, dressed nice, spoke with a certain class/sophistication, had my life together and she never met a guy of my caliber before. She was one of the women that appreciates a man who has his shit together and treats her right.
I see women today always bashing men, saying that all we care about is fucking. And yes, that is true. I can recount how many women I have been on dates with, fucked and left.
Not because I was a player or an asshole... but because the women that I fucked and left didn't have good personalities, weren't nice at all, had attitudes, etc... I didn't see a future with them, so I fucked them and got the hell out of there.
I always see good men approaching women, but they usually put the guy down and then post shit about it on social media and then complain about how there are no good, honest and caring men in the world.
There's honest men everywhere. If you are constantly going out on dates and rejecting every man that approaches you... that's an issue with you, not the man. That means that there is something within you that drives men away. If you work on your personality, men will see you more than just a fuck toy.
hey absolutely yes but i must add i would and do hold doors open for people of all ages and sexes, men seemed surprised elderly people are most often the rudest with no response at all. If a guy makes any effort to me even a guy serving in a shop or a stranger holding that door, i make a real strong level of contact, eyes smile and words because its lacking in its existence and needs energising for both, you carry my heavy bag and i will massage your back, you cut my hedge and i will cook a roast dinner. I miss this man woman unspoken deal most of all being single, i do this shit all myself and i hate it with a vengeance but ill do it and when a man is mine ill never ask for these things he needs to be the old fashioned raw core real man in instinct. Like a generation of zoo bred lions teenagers like my son 14 is almost the death of me re his abilities in two generations his grandad was working for a living and him couldnt use a shovel and questions why he not his 11 yr old sister carries heavy things? Effort is the key, a guy used to make effort to win his girl in return she was worth this effort, it led to intimacy and bonding. Now its sex without any effort, so id love to know how did it change when and whom, a girl is happy to give up sex apparently so a guy needs to make no effort. so are the ones of us out there who desire this old skool familiarity all lost keeping quiet and personally when I've spoken its like im not heard, like nobody quite knows anymore... somebody enlighten me?
I do appreciate when my man does those things for me but I don't expect it. He shows me in many other ways how much he loves me. With that said I'm not a woman trying to prove to the world that I can do things better than men. I know as a woman the things I do better and know the things they do better. I except our differences. My man works hard for me and our kids as a diesel mechanic. I work hard taking care of him and our kids by caring for them. And we appreciate each other for those things we do to make our family work. And on special occasions he may open the car door for me if we go out on a date or bring me home flowers when he knows I'm sad. Just as I will at times go out of my way to make him feel special by cooking him something special or give him a massage.
is respecting wives an old-fashioned thing? seems like that was even more rare back then.
Can I visit your flat though?
@Mr-Kabuki the power imbalance was greater. Women weren't allowed to go to school, get a job, control what happens to their bodies.
Yeah I'm not sure if what's being described is old fashioned or just being decent to other people. And just because she can read a history book doesn't mean she'll die alone lol
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Can't speak for all women, but i love it when a guy is gentlemanly.
Though respecting someone should just be common curtsy.
I voted yes but for me it depends on how traditional. Like opening doors for me, wanting to drive , and being a little protective is great but I like having the option to spoil my man by buying him dinner or something once in a while. I think for me there has to be a good balance between old fashioned and modern ideals
What you have mentioned is a gentleman type of guy and I am sure no woman will have problems with that. What you have mentioned need not necessarily be the qualities of an old fashioned guy alone.
Even a modern man with good principles, morals can have these qualities.
True
I'm a very old fashioned southerner and in my experience women don't care about that anymore, they just wanna play little games. But who can blame em most guys nowadays do the same thing to them.
I can relate for sure, plus I'm in a really liberal are and a blue collar conservative isn't really liked in this day and time.
Old fashioned? That’s normal to me, every guy should be like that
@BruceWang who said anything from she won't do anything for you? some guys always look for a way to justify their bad manners
Why don’t do girls anything like that? That’s not true at all unless you have a b*tch as your girlfriend.
People like that always existed just like the assholes you have these days. And girls that love that kind of treatment will exist too. I personally like a guy that is old fashioned with his manners but not with his mentality too. That he feels the need for his wife to be a housewife and not do anything else except clean the house and watch the kids.
Chivalry shouldn't be seen as old fashioned. One of my co-workers is like that: always opening doors or letting women go through first, stuff like that. It's actually really attractive as it shows selflessness and respect.
Unfortunately, many millenial women think it's a slap in the face to open doors and such. I've been told it by many young women that it's not my "place" and that they don't need my "help". Whereas older women ( 40+ ) call me a nice gentleman whenever I do that for them.
Opening car doors seems pointless, I don't care about that. Of course I do like guys who respect me and themselves, but I don't think that that's to do with being old fashioned... Meh, as long as they're respectful of me and my boundaries and are as polite to me as I am to them, there's no problem.
Well I mean if he's near the door, open it, if I'm closer I will. Of course I enjoy having the door opened for me but I'm not the kind of gal who gets that special treatment. Chivalry is dying, but Chivalry is also just used now a days to get a woman in bed and then drop her, so perhaps it's good that it's dying. Some women love it while others don't, so men have to start thinking of better ways to get the women they want
I'm a firm believer that chivalry is not dead.
I want a man to respect me and, especially in the "courting" process of dating, I want him to be intentional with me. He doesn't always have to open the door or pay for everything, but attempting to shows a ton of initiative. If he respects himself and his values I'm going to find him so much more attractive
No. I'm asking him to be intentional with me in ways he wouldn't for just anyone. I would do things to show him more appreciation than I would if it were a guy friend. What's sexist is expecting him to pay every time and letting him do it all the time
yes i most definitely do. however feminists in this day dont. they say they want to be treated like men and want to be equal and when they are, they get pissed because tbh men get treated like shit and its terrible and they expect to be treated with respect and all ladylike. and they say they want an old fashioned guy but she means old fashioned that she also OWNs which is ridiculous
I am sure some do and some don't. I like to be chivalrous sometimes, but not all the time. It makes it more special when you do it spontaneously and when you really feel it. You have to let her have some control sometimes too though. Getting someone else to do you a favor also makes that person feel wanted and desired.
On a few romantic date, I would do so for sure. It is all about creating that memorable moment and those warm fuzzy feelings.
Oh he'll yeah you better believe it, when I was younger I was acting the ham with my girlfriend one evening, delibritley been overly old timey charming, holding doors, carrying stuff, buying her flowers at the florist in front of everyone, just because it was such a fine day to be out with her!
Oops hit send before I finished, even day down to tea and scones with her, I was actually taking the piss because she was actually in a really feral mood. So anyway long story short when we got home to my place she ravished me and I had the most mind blowing sec of until that point my life. Seriously DO IT!
My ex wife, and any woman I've dated for an extended amount of time have always been appreciative of me opening their door. But it's when I'm still opening that same door in 1, 2 or 5 years down the road when I really hear and feel the thank you's. I think overwhelmingly that most women still like a guy to be "gentleman".
I would run a mile from a man calling himself 'old-fashioned'. I refuse to be someone's barefoot and pregnant wife with no rights in my own household, expected to be obedient and not have a mind of my own
You little rebel.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy *sigh* you again?
Yeah, again. Why are you so against traditional gender roles?
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Because they rely on stereotypes and push people into boxes instead of allowing them to be their fully nuanced selves.
Get in the kitchen and fix me a T-Bone Steak with veggies and mashed potatoes now. By the way the bathroom tub needs to be clean too.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy How about I fix you some arsenic instead?
You wicked. 😮
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy You deserve it.
I have been nothing but sweet to you and that's how you will repay me? 😕
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy You've been nothing but a smug annoyance
You sure about that? 😜
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Quite
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@Hispanic-Cool-Guy You are ridiculous. No one is scared of you.
I will make you scared of me in a good way if you know what I mean..😜
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy You're gross
Go wash dishes.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy You're useless
That fact is when many guys say they are old-fashioned, they do not mean what you just said. They mean they want their cave and their woman in it who does as she's told and doesn't have a mind of her own. I know that because I've met plenty of men who have prefaced those exact views on relationships with, "I'm a bit old-fashioned."
Holding doors open for women is not a crime but no woman wants to feel like her man is just going through a check-list of behaviours to pretend he's a gentleman and think he deserves sex or a relationship out of it. You might not be like that but some guys are. They're what we call fake 'nice guys'.
I have zero issues with a guy wanting to be genuinely gentlemanly towards me, but if it's for his secret agenda, no thanks. And if it crosses into the terrorist which suggests I 'need' him to open doors for me, or control my finances, or tell me who I can and can't talk to, then I will take issue with it. These people exist and they think they're being kind.
I think the really good catches still like these types. All the rest of the girls "say" they like these types of guys, but when he finally comes along they choose the fuck boy instead. Who no doubt will let them down. Then they'll do the same thing, rinse and repeat.
I wouldn't really call that old fashioned. I would call that "being a polite and decent human being." If a guy didn't respect his partner, had no standards for himself or others, and made a point of not holding the door for anybody, I would think he was super rude and not somebody I'd spend time with.
I don’t love opening of the car door just because it seems awkward but doors to buildings yes! I love when a stranger speeds up to open the door for me. I always say thank you! It shows you care. Everyone loves to be cared for.
I don't need a guy to lay his coat over a puddle for me or anything like that, just don't be a total asshole because I don't dig that
I think a lot of women say they do but in practice... Maybe not so much. They will fancy and fall in love with whoever... Feelings are not logical... Just because a guy is a gentleman or whatever does not mean women will develop feelings for him. On the contrary, women seem to be more attracted to men who's feelings are uncertain. An old fashioned gent will always make his feelings plain.
Very much so. My husband is still that way after almost 20 years together and my 7 year old son will basically trip you to get to the door first to open it for a girl 😂
I love gentleman ( Since where I live it is so hard to find them ), but I hate it when they think they are the superior gender.
That's not old fashion... Old fashion is disciplining your wife and having it so the man has to be the bread winner and the woman has to cook, clean, and pop out babes.
Fair enough. Though I personally believe so much emphasis on what people want is bad. We're just taught to do as we please, rather than what is best. Also this, I want it now attitude is very bad, it's why the west is in debt up to its eye balls. It's an unsustainable and reckless approach that is going to ruin the lives of the generations to come. The new isn't always the best approach.
There are guys that are still like that. I don't think one has to be 'old fashioned' in order to be a gentleman that is respectful and has standards.
Respecting wives doesn't seem all that old fashioned to me. But, yes, they still do appreciate "gentlemanly" behaviour.
The real hardcore feminists don't (because they just hate men in general) but there are plenty of women out there that still do. I'm one of them 😊
I feel like girls don't really care as long as you are respectful but also have boundaries. You don't need to buy here flowers but also don't call her fat.
I don't think most women have changed that much although I accept some have new ideas and can't wait to tell you about them.
I'd hope all couples respect one another, this isn't something that should change.
One of the big things for me deciding on him was that my husband opens doors for me, and holds my hand, and walks with me on the inside of the sidewalk. Etc.
Not really a fan. I'm not an old fashioned girl so I wouldn't want an old fashion guy. I'm also not really a fan of traditionally romantic gestures either, so no.
This is a stupid question that only young people ask.
First, what you describe as "old fashioned" is just being half-decent as a human. The whole of your citing chivalry is blind at best and the reference to respecting your partner? My god. And you feel there is "no place for you". There isn't. You're an idiot.
It's called manners. It's not old fashioned it's just society these days have no manners unfortunately.
I don't think doing things like this is old fashioned. I think it shows good manners and awareness of self and other people.
There is nothing old fashioned about a man carrying himself with dignity.
And we don't do it because women like it, we do it because it's the right way to be, and women respond
So your old fashion if you respect your girlfriends and have standards 🤔 tf that just means your a decent human being not old fasion
Women SAY they like this but then go for guys who treat them badly. Look at their behavior not what they say
If that also means paying entirely for dinners everything, then I'd say for sure, certain types of females do.
I mean who doesn't like being sponsored?
But if we're real here, I'm not sure. I just came here to place my 2 cents here and go.
I love guys like that and they are many around me. I meet gentlemen in every corner of the street.
Having respect and being a gentleman is never old-fashioned it never goes out of style
being respectful is supposed to be considered old fashioned now?😂
that's just sad man
Absolutely.
It seems like being a gentleman and old fashioned behaviors of the past are no longer cool, so people no longer do it or expect it.
Most women say yes, but they really don't. They want the bad boys that gets them excited and worked up. There is a reason why the saying "nice guys finish last" holds true.
No one enjoys an asshole... be nice and respect your partner.
Too bad you only get friendzoned if you behave in such a way. You need to be a dick in some way to get a girls attention. Strange world we living in
Ya but all that without giving her something to worry about (being a douchefart) will get her bored a little
Lol no joke
I think feminists are taking things way too far now. I want a man who will call me out when he thinks I'm wrong, not agree with everything I say. But obviously be respectful, like I'd be with him.
@Kody1 that's true, but that's my point, in s relationship you're going to have disagreements or want the best for each other, so partners with a backbone is more attractive than someone that just goes along with everything in my opinion.
No, I totally want a guy who doesn't respect me and treats me like rubbish
Yes, it's not old fashioned at all. It comes down to him being a quality man or not. I'm not attracted to rude, low quality, bum men
Yes I don't know who wouldn't. Either they're unstable or don't know what they want
YES
I thought Chivalry was dead do so I gave up.
Only once they've hit The Wall and are looking for a dumb chump with a fat wallet to support them.
Personally? No. That’s a little too much. It feels patronizing to me.
We loved to be loved , cared and pampered... if thts what you name it
Only a very few are so old fashioned. Most don’t appreciate being put on a pedestal in that way.
She's got two hands to open her door, she's not a toddler.
As for carrying her bags and stuff, I always do it.
Respect shouldn't even be a question in a relationship lol.
Yes, I liked a guy who was way more traditional in his manners towards women. A guy who would still assume a woman to be vulnerable and deserving of his care/affection - I think everybody would love such a guy.
"A guy who would still assume a woman to be vulnerable." I thought women are strong and independent? I don't get it, feminism had made girls very selective with what they want from a guy, and a lot of times it's hypocritical and conflicts the core principles of feminism. Can you girls just pick a side, please?
@BruceWang I belong to a society where we still need a man behind for support.
@BruceWang Not to mention, it's rather an honour to feel protected and served. Especially if a guy doesn't prevent you from studying and loves you. In my society guys are like this.
Can old fashioned mean meeting someone in person rather than swiping right or typing Hi into their phone?
Not American women. American women are so stupid. They expect to be treated as an equal instead of a lady.
I like fashion old styles I think is showing the gentleman we guys can be with the women we love and live for
All these girl saying yes but to no luck have I found one.
I am definitely old fashion.
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