I'm confused. Is this picky as far a character/ personality? Or picky as far as looks?
Also does being a virgin hurt me or is that a plus? I'm not religious but I'm VERY picky with who I'm going to lose my virginity to. I don't even care if I make the sequel to the 40 yr old virgin lulz 😂
Everyday time I go to a theme park, fair, or any public gathering... I see ugly dudes with pretty attractive girls. Women can get picky with who they choose to hookup with, but women are also emotionally stimulated. If you can emotionally stimulate a woman, then you’ll become attractive to her. Women on the other hand hold a lot more of their own dating value in their beauty. So women have it harder in my opinion.
No, they continue to pick the same ones they always have and then don't understand why they keep getting the same results. More of the good men are becoming picky that is for sure. And they realize that the majority of women don't even come close to bringing as much to a relationship as a good man does.
I think it's less that they are getting picky, and more that they are getting more insistent about thing. They are more willing to walk away if something doesn't work for them. Interestingly, many women still seem to find themselves in unsatisfying relationships though, so I don't know how much of that is just talk.
Its the guys, not the gals. We've raised a whole crop of girlie-men, weak supplicating beta wannabes, and women just loathe them. Time to develop awesomeness, make a shit-ton of dough, and hit the gym hard. You'll have all the pussy you can handle.
@traveltheworld - And you're a fool. No woman wants a man that cannot support her and and the 84 children she wants to have with him. It's not about being materialistic and cocky, although confidence is key, it's about simply being competent. You're saying you would rather choose a loser. FAIL.
@traveltheworld - Wrong again. My youngest got a masters degree in four years, recruited by a tech giant, started at a buck-fifty. Getting ready to buy a house - almost 24. Of course a smart girl who also got a masters in four has snagged him. He's a catch. They're out there, but they're not a fuck-buddy or a badboy. Oh well. You lose.
Yes depends where you are from but if you come from a small place from the scottish highlands many people haven't got it. No opportunities that's why I moved. Good for him tho I have other goals than that stuff
@traveltheworld - Sounds like you're broadening your horizons. Good for you. While we're a product of our environment and our upbringing, we are only bound to the limits of our own imagination. The question was are women more picky. And I say it's not that, it's the FI that has claimed what they want in men, then reject what they have become. Women are always and have always, been drawn to good looking successful men that are actually going someplace and being someone. That has not changed. But there are a ton of guys that simply don't and cannot measure up. They've literally given up trying to be a real man. Hell, we got a whole segment that thinks a real man is toxic. Oh well, a bunch of losers.
Would you say guys would find it intimidating if the women did more like if she travelled, in better shape, University student and immigrated to another country. I have dated guys who have actually asked me what impresses me on the date. You gave a good answer about guys tho but yes I feel it's odd if I dated someone with no drive or ambition and if they aren't in good shape
@traveltheworld - Ah, so the truth comes out. Guys simply are not intimidated by anything a woman does or is, unless she is physically going to kick his ass. No, the NUMBER ONE priority is HER attraction and desire for HIM. What you do or have done, where you went to school, where you're from, where you work, is way secondary. Your looks and your desire are what pulls them in. And you have to choose a man worth caring for, and be willing to do for him. When all the pieces fit it's a dynamic relationship indeed. When they don't it implodes, it fails.
I had a crazy fuck boy before who wanted me film girls in a locker room and fo other pretty bad things. So I have had a pretty bad experience and scared to get into anything again
@traveltheworld - Living life 'scared' is a giant fail. Don't judge all people for the actions of one. And what you get out of life and relationships is in direct proportion to what you put in. I know that's stating the obvious, but most people have been brainwashed into thinking they are somehow entitled, are deserving of something, anything. They're just not - you get what you get for the effort and work you put in, just like everybody else.
I'm reading your conversation here with a high interest. I see some things here overlapping with what's going on in my life.
What if you're a late bloomer like i am and get your bachelors of science degree in 25 due to the very rough and broke backgrounds of upbringing (needless to say to be at a disadvantage in life)? Any advise to keep the course or accelerate to catch up on time? What are the best ways to manage life as a young man in my case?
@Unit1 - You keep at it until you reach the success you desire. No excuses - don't blame anything or anyone, or your timeline, none of that, just keep at it and NEVER give up.
Do this for YOU, not anyone else. When a man is focused on his life mission, his goals and aspirations, he tunes out all the static. And low and behold you'll meet a bright and cheery woman that will want to hitch her wagon to you, and share your life with you.
But none of this happens in a vacuum - YOU have to make it happen.
The one common thing amongst all successful people is that they never give up. EVER. They keep at it until they reach their goal. Your age is irrelevant.
Say, you keep telling men to work out at the gym and earning mountains of money in order to attract women. I understand the money earning thing but what exactly has working out to do with attracting the ladies? How does that work?
Also what do you tell women when they want to attract high quality men? Do you tell them to work out at the gym and earn mountains of cash or do you tell them something different?
@Unit1 - Something completely different for women... we'll get to that later.
If you want some good content on becoming an awesome man go here: www.theartofmanliness.com There's stuff on how to dress, how to socialize, how to date, how to get ahead in your career, and tons of how to get in shape. That's where the 'hit the gym, hard' comes from - it's part of your 'looks' - the number one thing guys need to get the ladies. You don't have to become a bodybuilder (I did, it was awesome) but being in good shape and having some muscles and some muscle tone just drives women nuts. Their lizard brain clicks in from the cave man days where they chose best suitor to protect them and their offspring from saber-tooth tigers and roaming trimbesmen. This is the same reason so many like tall men as well, or at least taller than themselves. This is biological programming. So of course there are always exceptions, but for the most part women are drawn to good looking strong men. It's just the way it is. And they don't even know why, if you ask them they'll just say that's what they FEEL. It is ALWAYS about the FEELZ. The more you understand that the better you can play to their needs and wants. But you do these things for YOU. You are the one that it will benefit the most.
The art of manliness as well as Rollo's rational male both talk a lot about pumping iron. It boosts testosterone, endorphins, all kinds of feel-good stuff for a guy, puts him on top of the world. Even the old MAP of Athol Kay was about the lazy old husband and his 'man action plan' included hitting the gym to get in shape. If the wife doesn't appreciate it and bails, or he shit-cans her lazy ass, he's in a MUCH better place to land a better replacement. It's a win-win for the guy, all the way around.
For the ladies it's a completely different approach, on how they'll land a high-quality guy... -->cont
A woman needs to be most attractive to land a great guy. And why their peak SMV is early twenties. All the whole world admires and desires the young and beautiful woman. Their youth and beauty are their greatest asset, above all else. Unfortunately most just don't' get this, and squander their twenties riding the cock-carousel hoping to actually snag one of those fukboyz, which just degrades them to the point where they become undesirable. So sure, they have free choice to do whatever the hell the want, fuck any guys or number of guys they want, but not without consequence. If they do this crap for too long they completely lose their innocence and desirability to any decent guy. And generally the entire time they have spurned all manner of great guys that were simply not edgy enough, and now realize their window of opportunity is closing and they better try and snag one. Oops... too late... those great guys have gotten snatched up and married off, and now all that's left are the weirdos, geeks, nerds, and divorcees with kids in tow. Worse yet, as they hit thirty and beyond, their youth is fading and they now have to compete with the younger, prettier, and more desirable women in the dating pool. It's a natural disaster.
So they need to cultivate their lady-like qualities, their attractiveness, and their social skills. They need to date - a LOT - but not have sex with them all. They need the experience in order to be sufficiently experienced as to be able to discern if a guy is a match, if they are worthy. Too many settle on some guy they think they can change and mold and improve, trying to make him into something she might be able to stand to be with. This is a completely failed prospect. It's been said that women go to college, not for an education, but to find a husband. If they play their cards right they find a great guy that's really going to be a huge success, and 'hitch their wagon' to him. It can be a great opportunity and a successful relationship.
@Unit1 - The content of Rollo Tomassi is more like a lifelong commitment. This becomes who you are as a man. And it helps unlock the secrets of why and how women think, and what drives them. You can get a point where you understand them and what they need better than they do. Oh boy, that can really piss them off. Or it's like you're magic, all depending on the situation. Men and women really are drastically different, in almost everything. But the entire FI has been built on the mistaken belief that men and women are the same, completely equal and identical humans inhabiting the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I think the average women thinks she’s a god gift sent from heaven because of online dating The results are so messed up online thats why
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I believe so. The internet has done a lot to ruin women and relationships in general. What is already an ego-driven affair, the internet has completely blown the lid off of the whole idea. When endless attention is given out to women where it feels like their opinions are endless. It’s a big problem for men especially, in the short term, but women will see the effects in the long term.
I don't think so, but if you go to sexy girls you will find it a lot. My advice, learn to difference between sexy and sexual and train yourself to see the sexual girls and pass of sexy ones. You will see how that treatment will decrease a lot. (Bailey 2006)
I think it's fair enough for women to be picky with the types of guys they would date or associate themselves with. Some girls just know what they want and won't settle for less.. the same goes for guys too, and I think it's completely okay.
Can't force something that not there. And honestly, you can see that the world is not simple anymore. I think it not just one gender. It just people. We have created so many choices that it is nearly impossible for people to not be.
Only in the looks department. Women still seem clueless about men of substance and character. They go after either looks or money, but that's it. They may be more picky, but they aren't more successful.
No longer being financially dependent on a male partner has freed women to select on different criteria. Of course, everyone should be able to achieve financial independence, so that’s not the real problem. The real problem is that boys have still been trained to attract women by taking on the increasingly obsolete provider role. Boys need to start being raised to become attractive in different ways, ways which don’t depend on women depending on them.
Women are picky. Recently I was talking to someone and she said that she wanted second relationship, I thought that she just went through breakup and want to go into dating again. After talking to her, she told me that she's in a relationship and is looking for a secondary relationship. And I assure, she wasn't pretty.
Tinder and the like should not be a measure of how "picky" women are these days. But should simply be a marker for how fucked up and clown-worldy the dating scene is at present.
Just my opinion... they say women have greater intuition than men. So when it comes to choosing their partner whether for long term or short.. it will surely be like going for job interview. so from lady's point of view, it's a character judgement i think.
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Oh please they've been picky for a long time.
I think there have been several times where talk shows even invited women over to talk about their standards and why they can't find a man.
Some women just have a never ending list of stuff they require from a man.
And yet the woman with all these requirements may not have a job and may not even be in shape or look that good.
I'm confused. Is this picky as far a character/ personality? Or picky as far as looks?
Also does being a virgin hurt me or is that a plus? I'm not religious but I'm VERY picky with who I'm going to lose my virginity to. I don't even care if I make the sequel to the 40 yr old virgin lulz 😂
Everyday time I go to a theme park, fair, or any public gathering... I see ugly dudes with pretty attractive girls. Women can get picky with who they choose to hookup with, but women are also emotionally stimulated. If you can emotionally stimulate a woman, then you’ll become attractive to her. Women on the other hand hold a lot more of their own dating value in their beauty. So women have it harder in my opinion.
No, they continue to pick the same ones they always have and then don't understand why they keep getting the same results.
More of the good men are becoming picky that is for sure. And they realize that the majority of women don't even come close to bringing as much to a relationship as a good man does.
I think it's less that they are getting picky, and more that they are getting more insistent about thing. They are more willing to walk away if something doesn't work for them. Interestingly, many women still seem to find themselves in unsatisfying relationships though, so I don't know how much of that is just talk.
Its the guys, not the gals. We've raised a whole crop of girlie-men, weak supplicating beta wannabes, and women just loathe them. Time to develop awesomeness, make a shit-ton of dough, and hit the gym hard. You'll have all the pussy you can handle.
Well enjoy golddiggers then
@traveltheworld - About the dumbest comment any woman could make.
So you would rather date a dead broke guy? Fool.
I'm not into guys that are materialistic or cocky.
@traveltheworld - And you're a fool.
No woman wants a man that cannot support her and and the 84 children she wants to have with him. It's not about being materialistic and cocky, although confidence is key, it's about simply being competent. You're saying you would rather choose a loser. FAIL.
I'm in my early 20s nobody is has it together at this age.
I'm more successful than the guys I've met travelled the world, moved to Canada and graduated last year. While they have barely left their hometown.
@traveltheworld - Wrong again. My youngest got a masters degree in four years, recruited by a tech giant, started at a buck-fifty. Getting ready to buy a house - almost 24. Of course a smart girl who also got a masters in four has snagged him. He's a catch.
They're out there, but they're not a fuck-buddy or a badboy. Oh well. You lose.
Yes depends where you are from but if you come from a small place from the scottish highlands many people haven't got it. No opportunities that's why I moved. Good for him tho I have other goals than that stuff
@traveltheworld - Sounds like you're broadening your horizons. Good for you. While we're a product of our environment and our upbringing, we are only bound to the limits of our own imagination.
The question was are women more picky. And I say it's not that, it's the FI that has claimed what they want in men, then reject what they have become. Women are always and have always, been drawn to good looking successful men that are actually going someplace and being someone. That has not changed. But there are a ton of guys that simply don't and cannot measure up. They've literally given up trying to be a real man. Hell, we got a whole segment that thinks a real man is toxic. Oh well, a bunch of losers.
Would you say guys would find it intimidating if the women did more like if she travelled, in better shape, University student and immigrated to another country. I have dated guys who have actually asked me what impresses me on the date. You gave a good answer about guys tho but yes I feel it's odd if I dated someone with no drive or ambition and if they aren't in good shape
@traveltheworld - Ah, so the truth comes out.
Guys simply are not intimidated by anything a woman does or is, unless she is physically going to kick his ass. No, the NUMBER ONE priority is HER attraction and desire for HIM. What you do or have done, where you went to school, where you're from, where you work, is way secondary. Your looks and your desire are what pulls them in. And you have to choose a man worth caring for, and be willing to do for him. When all the pieces fit it's a dynamic relationship indeed. When they don't it implodes, it fails.
Choose wisely, treat kindly. __Dr. Laura
I had a crazy fuck boy before who wanted me film girls in a locker room and fo other pretty bad things. So I have had a pretty bad experience and scared to get into anything again
@traveltheworld - Living life 'scared' is a giant fail. Don't judge all people for the actions of one. And what you get out of life and relationships is in direct proportion to what you put in. I know that's stating the obvious, but most people have been brainwashed into thinking they are somehow entitled, are deserving of something, anything. They're just not - you get what you get for the effort and work you put in, just like everybody else.
Yes you are right about that thanks
I'm reading your conversation here with a high interest.
I see some things here overlapping with what's going on in my life.
What if you're a late bloomer like i am and get your bachelors of science degree in 25 due to the very rough and broke backgrounds of upbringing (needless to say to be at a disadvantage in life)? Any advise to keep the course or accelerate to catch up on time? What are the best ways to manage life as a young man in my case?
@Unit1 - You keep at it until you reach the success you desire. No excuses - don't blame anything or anyone, or your timeline, none of that, just keep at it and NEVER give up.
Do this for YOU, not anyone else. When a man is focused on his life mission, his goals and aspirations, he tunes out all the static. And low and behold you'll meet a bright and cheery woman that will want to hitch her wagon to you, and share your life with you.
But none of this happens in a vacuum - YOU have to make it happen.
The one common thing amongst all successful people is that they never give up. EVER. They keep at it until they reach their goal. Your age is irrelevant.
Sounds marvelous! I will adopt that.
Say, you keep telling men to work out at the gym and earning mountains of money in order to attract women.
I understand the money earning thing but what exactly has working out to do with attracting the ladies? How does that work?
Also what do you tell women when they want to attract high quality men? Do you tell them to work out at the gym and earn mountains of cash or do you tell them something different?
@Unit1 - Something completely different for women... we'll get to that later.
If you want some good content on becoming an awesome man go here: www.theartofmanliness.com
There's stuff on how to dress, how to socialize, how to date, how to get ahead in your career, and tons of how to get in shape. That's where the 'hit the gym, hard' comes from - it's part of your 'looks' - the number one thing guys need to get the ladies. You don't have to become a bodybuilder (I did, it was awesome) but being in good shape and having some muscles and some muscle tone just drives women nuts. Their lizard brain clicks in from the cave man days where they chose best suitor to protect them and their offspring from saber-tooth tigers and roaming trimbesmen. This is the same reason so many like tall men as well, or at least taller than themselves. This is biological programming. So of course there are always exceptions, but for the most part women are drawn to good looking strong men. It's just the way it is. And they don't even know why, if you ask them they'll just say that's what they FEEL. It is ALWAYS about the FEELZ. The more you understand that the better you can play to their needs and wants. But you do these things for YOU. You are the one that it will benefit the most.
The art of manliness as well as Rollo's rational male both talk a lot about pumping iron. It boosts testosterone, endorphins, all kinds of feel-good stuff for a guy, puts him on top of the world. Even the old MAP of Athol Kay was about the lazy old husband and his 'man action plan' included hitting the gym to get in shape. If the wife doesn't appreciate it and bails, or he shit-cans her lazy ass, he's in a MUCH better place to land a better replacement. It's a win-win for the guy, all the way around.
For the ladies it's a completely different approach, on how they'll land a high-quality guy...
-->cont
A woman needs to be most attractive to land a great guy. And why their peak SMV is early twenties. All the whole world admires and desires the young and beautiful woman. Their youth and beauty are their greatest asset, above all else. Unfortunately most just don't' get this, and squander their twenties riding the cock-carousel hoping to actually snag one of those fukboyz, which just degrades them to the point where they become undesirable. So sure, they have free choice to do whatever the hell the want, fuck any guys or number of guys they want, but not without consequence. If they do this crap for too long they completely lose their innocence and desirability to any decent guy. And generally the entire time they have spurned all manner of great guys that were simply not edgy enough, and now realize their window of opportunity is closing and they better try and snag one. Oops... too late... those great guys have gotten snatched up and married off, and now all that's left are the weirdos, geeks, nerds, and divorcees with kids in tow. Worse yet, as they hit thirty and beyond, their youth is fading and they now have to compete with the younger, prettier, and more desirable women in the dating pool. It's a natural disaster.
So they need to cultivate their lady-like qualities, their attractiveness, and their social skills. They need to date - a LOT - but not have sex with them all. They need the experience in order to be sufficiently experienced as to be able to discern if a guy is a match, if they are worthy. Too many settle on some guy they think they can change and mold and improve, trying to make him into something she might be able to stand to be with. This is a completely failed prospect.
It's been said that women go to college, not for an education, but to find a husband. If they play their cards right they find a great guy that's really going to be a huge success, and 'hitch their wagon' to him. It can be a great opportunity and a successful relationship.
Very interesting. I will check it out piece by piece.
That attitude smells like being a winner. Nice!
@Unit1 - There's lots more here: www.therationalmale.com
Did I send this one? www.theartofmanliness.com
Saved! I will find some time to read some of those piece by piece.
theartofmanliness is down. I got some error message from Dreamhost, that the website was not found.
@Unit1 - The content of Rollo Tomassi is more like a lifelong commitment. This becomes who you are as a man. And it helps unlock the secrets of why and how women think, and what drives them. You can get a point where you understand them and what they need better than they do. Oh boy, that can really piss them off. Or it's like you're magic, all depending on the situation.
Men and women really are drastically different, in almost everything. But the entire FI has been built on the mistaken belief that men and women are the same, completely equal and identical humans inhabiting the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Probly a typo...
Try this: https://www.artofmanliness.com/
Got it! This one works. I saved it as well!
Im sure its to do with online dating
For sure
I think the average women thinks she’s a god gift sent from heaven because of online dating
The results are so messed up online thats why
I believe so. The internet has done a lot to ruin women and relationships in general. What is already an ego-driven affair, the internet has completely blown the lid off of the whole idea. When endless attention is given out to women where it feels like their opinions are endless. It’s a big problem for men especially, in the short term, but women will see the effects in the long term.
I don't think so, but if you go to sexy girls you will find it a lot.
My advice, learn to difference between sexy and sexual and train yourself to see the sexual girls and pass of sexy ones.
You will see how that treatment will decrease a lot.
(Bailey 2006)
I think it's fair enough for women to be picky with the types of guys they would date or associate themselves with. Some girls just know what they want and won't settle for less.. the same goes for guys too, and I think it's completely okay.
Can't force something that not there. And honestly, you can see that the world is not simple anymore. I think it not just one gender. It just people. We have created so many choices that it is nearly impossible for people to not be.
Only in the looks department. Women still seem clueless about men of substance and character. They go after either looks or money, but that's it. They may be more picky, but they aren't more successful.
No longer being financially dependent on a male partner has freed women to select on different criteria. Of course, everyone should be able to achieve financial independence, so that’s not the real problem. The real problem is that boys have still been trained to attract women by taking on the increasingly obsolete provider role. Boys need to start being raised to become attractive in different ways, ways which don’t depend on women depending on them.
Women are picky. Recently I was talking to someone and she said that she wanted second relationship, I thought that she just went through breakup and want to go into dating again. After talking to her, she told me that she's in a relationship and is looking for a secondary relationship. And I assure, she wasn't pretty.
Women have always been more picky than guys. That's pure biology and true of most species of animals.
Yes, probably has something to do with the recent influx of misguided feminism :/
harsh
What do you mean harsh?
I meant garsh, you told the truth before I was ready. Let me pan for my pearls all over the floor
Everyone is more picky. It’s head up ass season🙄
Women fuck men repeatedly and then have the balls to call them trash😑
I think that everyone, regardless of gender, is as picky as they can get away with. No one wants to settle.
Tinder and the like should not be a measure of how "picky" women are these days. But should simply be a marker for how fucked up and clown-worldy the dating scene is at present.
Morons everywhere.
Just my opinion... they say women have greater intuition than men. So when it comes to choosing their partner whether for long term or short.. it will surely be like going for job interview. so from lady's point of view, it's a character judgement i think.