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They'd have to. If men couldn't even flirt, never mind initiate, women would be left with little choice but to do it themselves, since it's a plain fact that (straight/bi) women want relationships/sex with men, if often on a different basis than men do.
Some might refuse to try, insisting that it's just not their nature. They would just get more and more lonely and frustrated, until they sought some means of making it happen. There would undoubtedly be a huge growth in the gigolo market, and all sorts of underground ways men would try to get what they wanted. There would be 'flirteasies', like the speakeasies of Prohibition days.
This question reminds me of a couple of things. Firstly, 'Locktober', in which some men in relationships voluntarily lock up their genitals in a cage for a month and give their partner the key. They generally say it frees them from male sexual prerogative and allows them to relate to their partner on a more emotional level. And the 'Swedish model' of policing prostitution, in which prostitutes are not targeted but the men using them are. As one (male) officer said, "You do not have a right to sex".
The idea behind this question is extremely unlikely to happen. But if it did it would lead to changes and self-reflection not only for men, but for women too. Both sexes get both benefits and drawbacks from the current situation, and they would too if a ban on male romantic/sexual initiation was enforced.
It's a silly question indeed but your thoughts were interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Obviously I wouldn't want a law like that.
Look if this is a problem for you, move to China. The Chinese women are not afraid to make the first move the way western women are. I like this. I want the woman to make the first move, because I don't need to be a mind reader to talk to a woman like that. The women in the U. S. who fault a man for this are just being immature.
The woman I am currently talking to exclusively, she contacted me first, and she's a millionaire. She said she doesn't care how much money I make, but she said her parents will want me to make a lot of money. With this new job I just got, that shouldn't be a problem now anyway.
Anyway, I spent entirely too much time trying to contact immature women first, who wanted a man to be some kind of psychic or other mind reader.
Never going that route again. Find you an authentic Chinese woman. They are honest, they don't play immature games, they are more educated, they make more money, the are all perfect "tens", they are bilingual, they all take dance or yoga classes regularly, most of them play a musical instrument, etc, etc. Most of them do not drink alcohol or smoke, and very few of them do recreational drugs. They look 10 to 15 years younger than a western woman of the same age. They are superior to western women in every way.
You must have no idea who I am! LOL Thanks for the comment though!
Unfortunately, the likelihood for such a good solution is not very great although I would salute that the law finally protects women from abusive approaches for the sole purpose of being sexual with them.
The best solution would be to have "mutual dating contracts" that would be available in every public place where both parties agree to a set of terms and conditions and that needs the signature of both parties before engaging in dating/flirting. They both would need to sign the contract. Alas, this is just a dream but I would welcome a similar protective solution.
That would be the safest for both genders since both know exactly what they are into and what the limitations are.
I would be the first one to endorse that type of law and to vote for it.
I still think that if a law would be passed, a number of guys would try to find loopholes in order not to get caught.
Yessss 😁
Honestly though, is easier to make a law that makes relationships burcarcy or train women in proper selfdense? One thing I liked about my previous ex she could throw a wicked punch. And the Ex before her use to wrestle with me, those were good times. I just wish I could of saw that "One Punch" she did to a bully back in her middle school days. I bet it was beautiful 🤭. I think for one to be truly strong, one must be strong in mind and body. So many women today fear men over advances and words when there's so many dojos and mma classes out there. Like let's Honestly be Equals and whoop a man's ass if he needs one. We all do eventually lol.
I don't know where you live but it's already like that (men approach less, women approach more). It's fucked up. It would be great if men could realize that not approaching men usually doesn't have anything to do with fear of rejection but more with the superiority thing. Men don't approach because they are afraid, and women hate approaching because it makes them superior and no one wants that. Can't help it, most women are wired like that to be turned off by inferior men, it's simply not attractive. Blame our genes, evolution, biology, etc.
Simply put, not that I mind approaching, but I enjoy sex more with guys who approach me first. I am kind of insecure when it comes to sex, I like to be 100% sure that he wants me and likes my body so much that is willing to make effort and take risk. Then I can be completely comfortable in sex. But with those that I approach, not so much. I'd keep fearing that he said yes only because it was an easy way to get laid, not necessarily because he really, really likes me. I get turned on way more knowing that he fantasized about having sex with me even before it happened, and there's this feeling of "rewarding" him that makes me very confident about myself. Being confident is one thing that women struggle most with when it comes to sex.
Our confidence really depends on how badly we're wanted. You guys don't really need that kind of confidence to get it up and enjoy sex, but we do! And you're killing our libidos with this MGTOW shit.
Passing a law won't change people's nature. some women are more than willing to do the first move, others are not.
Until a few decades ago it was the man's job to ask the father of a young woman for his approval to marry her, hence he made "the move" and it got transferred through time that the man has to do the first move.
Habit is the second nature. Thus something that has been imprinted into people's brains for ages, and passed down on so many generations can't be changed with a law...
The law is silly but you make some good points!
@BlackRoseFairy True. Unfortunately now in present times we have men who don’t have the balls to do that anymore, and then complain about it and become insecure - then we get feminism. It’s sad, really, but that’s why I think it’s best to be with a confident man, not an insecure one.
@Rica_ChicaUSA That is very true!
Wait a second. It’s not that simple. A woman will get knocked up by 5 different dudes and blame men for being a single mom when in fact she chose those guys who either were bad dad candidates or who she wasn’t good enough to keep. These women take zero responsibility.
That said, men are the only ones who will fix something. But it’s not the feminine guys & ‘bad boy’ types I mean. It’s the other guys who aren’t creating this problem in the first place.
@hahahmm Fix something? Mostly they just complain about it and that they can’t get women. And there are those women, yes, and it should still be 50/50. He still got her pregnant. But you also have the women who are not that way, who simply fall in love with a guy and he runs when she gets pregnant. Either way, it takes 2 to tango. And again, I don’t see men fixing anything. These are absolute facts, so I’m just gonna leave it at this with no opinion. You two have fun debating:)
@rica_ChicaUSA, let’s put it this way: if we ended child support & welfare for single moms the number of “i was in love” and accidental pregnancies would fall to almost zero. Suddenly these women wouldn’t roll the dice. So yeah, men are legally on the hook for child support now but it doesn’t mean she doesn’t have way more control of getting pregnant. I know that birth control pills are 99.96% effective over the course of a YEAR even if you miss a dose. As long as you don’t skip 2 back to back. Yet there’s lots of women claiming they “forgot” to take *A* pill. Do the math. These women coincidentally only get pregnant when they think they will benefit. Outside of odd cases of retard males who want 20 kids, this is women’s choice at work.
Women choosing to get knocked up over & over again. Not all women. But many.
Men not fixing anything? Don’t count us out yet. We did build civilization after all.
@hahahmm I 100% agree with everything you just said. But it still doesn’t change the fact that the man left and now the boy grows up more feminine and that men in present times really lack confidence. Regardless of whose fault you think it is and why and all that, my point is just that currently most men don’t have confidence or the balls to ask a woman out but they complain about it and are insecure. And I’m seriously tired of debating lol 😴 I don’t blame either gender because it’s like a cycle and you can argue it either way.
@Rica_ChicaUSA I agree that the individual male had a choice if he willingly left. And assuming she didn’t lie to him. Have heard of many cases were women lied about being on birth control. Sure, in that case the guy is stupid but she benefits from the fraud! What should really happen is that the kid is taken away so she can’t benefit but that’s problematic too.
There are/were too many soft guys IN marriages with dominating women & that also produced feminine guys. That was the main way in the past.
Ultimately if one believes that men should always lead (a traditional idea) then men are responsible. Otoh feminist (and most women have feminist ideas today) say men have zero to no rights. Just responsibilities. While women have rights & few responsibilities. So the single dad is expected to work 3 jobs and get zero hell while a single mom gets tons of help & spends much of it on booze, shoes & other non child stuff.
So blame can go either way depending on whether we believe men should be traditional or not...
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I have to agree! Often times women start flirting with men and give them the go ahead first. She just let's him think it's his idea.
@Rica_ChicaUSA there are quite a few men terrified to do anything for fear of trying with the wrong woman and getting false charges pressed. While not a frequent occurance, that is still a concern in the minds of most men and that concern is much larger for some men than it is for others.
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women would just go for the "bad boys" who would break the law to flirt with them. But no, they would not approach men, at least not much more than they already do, which is some women, but a low percentage.
No. Women will still expect men to bend over backwards for them.
Not all women. Just many women will.
I'm really pretty reserved but I'm at the point where I know I have to take a step if I'm interested.
Both parties should bend a little.
They would do it more, but the law would also be circumvented by men.
I had to laugh when one female posted that "Women still expect men to bend over backwards for them". Some do, yes. Others don't mind taking the initiative.
I think some brave women may choose to approach, but it's maybe rather the exception than the main rule, since social expectations doesn't change over night although the laws does. Many would still expect people following the old norms and many would break the law.
Many would be too shy to approach too, so it would perhaps be less successful relationships and more people would stay single. If you're raised to think and feel a thing, it would be difficult to change it later on because of you're used to that thing only. If a law like that was passed, I would most likely not follow it. Good look enforcing it!
I’d say yes and no. There are some women (such as myself) who do approach men first. No, maybe because of fear and rejection. But maybe it’d force females to approach more.
Women simply don't approach "for the most part" because they just don't have too! Men do it by nature.
Still, shouldn’t just leave it up to the man to be the first to do so.
hence passing a law lol
It’d sure drop accusations that some females make just to ruin the mans life!
How sweet of you! lol
Human civilization would go extinct before women put themselves out there like that. Look at birth rates throughout the western world with just a sprinkling of 'empowerment.' Now its a requirement for them to take the reigns? Pffffff lol Hell simply losing weight is hard enough for women, that they find it easier to petition the government and various cultural institutions to force men to date them. "Why aren't there any STRONG, BLACK, FAT, WOMEN in your movies Scorsese?" Annnnd rape allegation. Boom he's gone. "More fat women on the Bachelor or we stop watching it!" annnd 5 big girls make it to the finals. lol
In the long long ago, aggressive women were looked down upon because a truly valuable woman didn't need to lift a finger to get a quality mans attention. Hence the trope of the fat mean girl, punching some little boy "You're my boyfriend now, lets go shopping!" I doubt this would change even if men were prohibited from flirting with women.
It's funny how men think women are entirely passive in such matters.
The problem is that many men still find it emasculating to be approached directly.
I am sure some men find it emasculating but for the masses... men would loved to be approached!
Um, no we don't.
Exactly, I can't speak for every guy
Yep, they wpuld have to or be lonely many nights. I've been approaching since First Grade... LOL
First grade? You are savage!
Hahahaha, yeah I was a Progressive woman when I was 6 years old... LOL
Some do. I Love men always have always will. I need to have a man especially my fiance. I'm a people person in general, if I'm alone too long I go crazy...
No , not at all , also a lot of women would definitely welcome such a hypothetical law. On average women desire men far less , than vice versa , and combined with much lower sex drives and absolutely no need to have a man in her life , as women are perfectly capable of earning as least as much as men. Therefore no real incentives or desire to approach men... this is the age of " I don't need no man " .
The law has already been passed. www.stylist.co.uk/.../287681
foreignpolicy.com/.../
Under this legislation, 'misogyny' is classified as a hate crime- and is defined in the law as “incidents against women that are motivated by the attitude of men towards women and includes behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”. As such, any and all such approaches, of any females by any and all heterosexual men, already DO constitute 'misogynist hate crime' in the UK. Or, rather, as noncriminal (for now) "acts of misogyny", they will all now be recorded as “hate incidents,” while acts of criminal misogyny will be recorded and prosecuted as “hate crimes,” stated Mark Khan, the lead on hate crime for the North Yorkshire Police (who've recently implemented this new legislation, following the lead of Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Somerset and Avon, Surrey and Gloucestershire, with this law now holding sway over more than 7.5M people); who also stated that "recording these low-level incidents of misogyny provides valuable data to the police, since verbal abuse often escalates to physical attacks", and implicitly justified placing any and all males deemed to be guilty of "low-level incidents of misogyny" (i. e, any attempt to approach any woman, in any manner, for "dating purposes and/or "flirting", by any heterosexual male, since this would constitute a clear example of "behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”) on a watchlist for the rest of their lives. This is not alarmism- this is not exaggerated rhetoric. This is what they're explicitly stating that they're doing right now.
NO.
Women are to entitled to do the work involved in approaching.
There kind of is a law (unofficially) that prevents smart males from approaching women already, it's the entire false accusation bullshit and metoo garbage where "unwanted advances" can destroy a mans life simply for showing interest. (Which was that MOST of the metoo shit was).
Women will always expect men to do the approaching because they like having to not work, sit back and wait for the endless attention, and then just bounce the ones they don't like while waiting for the one they do. They also have this shit "illusion of choice" they get from all the easy online attention they get through apps like tinder, so they are more picky now about what they want because they think they can just "have another man in a minute"... so they have become just spoiled brats.
Knowing human nature and how we are wired biologically, I would imagine if that law passed quite a lot of men would begin their own companies and approach women for ‘business purposes’...
It’s an easy solution—> men have more testosterone than women in general so they approach more
Men approach more because they are wired to want to have sex with anything that moves!
Totally agree with you on the TEST part!
😂😂😂Hell😂😂😂😂 nah they'd expect some bad boy to break the law and talk with them
Ha Ha Ha Ya know that might actually spring board a new revolution of bad boys!
I think that most people would simply continue forming connections through natural interaction as many already do.
I don't think that doing away with strangers walking up to your face uninvited because you happened to make their genitals tingly would be considered a big loss by any sensible individual.
The way things are going, we’ll find out in about another 10 years.
Flirting is already considered ‘on the fence’ sexual harassment. And I’m not talking about physical contact if any kind. Just words and gestures.
Men are starting to think twice before flirting these days. It’s sad.
Here’s the difference:
If he’s hot: it’s flirting
If he’s not: it’s harassment
We'll find out right now, because here in the UK, the law has already been passed, and is set to be rolled out nationwide in the next couple of years, regardless of whether anyone other than the feminist radicals and their media love-ins want it or not.
www.stylist.co.uk/.../287681
foreignpolicy.com/.../
Under this legislation, 'misogyny' is classified as a hate crime- and is defined in the law as “incidents against women that are motivated by the attitude of men towards women and includes behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”. As such, any and all such approaches, of any females by any and all heterosexual men, already DO constitute 'misogynist hate crime' in the UK. Or, rather, as noncriminal (for now) "acts of misogyny", they will all now be recorded as “hate incidents,” while acts of criminal misogyny will be recorded and prosecuted as “hate crimes,” stated Mark Khan, the lead on hate crime for the North Yorkshire Police (who've recently implemented this new legislation, following the lead of Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Somerset and Avon, Surrey and Gloucestershire, with this law now holding sway over more than 7.5M people); who also stated that "recording these low-level incidents of misogyny provides valuable data to the police, since verbal abuse often escalates to physical attacks", and implicitly justified placing any and all males deemed to be guilty of "low-level incidents of misogyny" (i. e, any attempt to approach any woman, in any manner, for "dating purposes and/or "flirting", by any heterosexual male, since this would constitute a clear example of "behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”) on a watchlist for the rest of their lives. This is not alarmism- this is not exaggerated rhetoric. This is what they're explicitly stating that they're doing right now.
Fuck me. This isn’t just a bad dream?
Probably yes but then again men would continue to keep their distance because women can use the law against men exactly like they do with all the false rape accusations.
If we want women to make the first move then the easiest way is to take down tinder and instagram. Two things will sky rocket. 1. female suicide rate and 2. ugly guys getting laid like never before.
You make it sound like we never approach 😂 but we do (at least some of us do) and we don’t mind it
Ya don't
😂 Yeah, we do. There is even a guy on here that I once had a thing for, and I’m the one who approached him on on the question. I’ve approached guys in real life. I have no problem approaching guys. But then I don’t get rejected the way they do either 🤷🏻♀️ I wonder if that’s because I have more confidence... 🤔
HA Thanks for the comments! I enjoyed them alot!
heyy wdym by 'women FINALLY doing the approaching'?
I'd make the first move ANY day provided the guy is interesting and trustworthy enough.
How would you know if he's interesting and trustworthy if you've never approached him assuming he hasn't approached you and you two are complete strangers. You can make a hypothesis that he looks like a trustworthy or interesting man but you haven't approached him yet to know so the assumption that he is would be invalid
Not buying it! But thanks for the comment!
@bro25 ohh no I have a strict policy of only dating guys I've known for long enough. I meant approaching as in sliding in their dms or starting a friendship first and I meant making the first move as in asking them out first.
I'm very selective with who I choose to be with because I like long term relationships.
A very small percentage would but for the most part NO WAY! Especially if men started to treat women the way women treat men when we approach, they would never do it again. I don't think women realize how it feels knowing how the second you approach you are being looked at as someone just trying to get laid.
Women already approach. Not sure what makes you say they don’t
Women normally don't walk up to a guy and open their mouth first
@moviedude714 I could of swore this was common knowledge! lol
Oh nobody is saying NO WOMAN has ever done it.. lets not get it twisted... we are saying for the majority it just doesn't happen.
Agree to disagree! Time is money! lol
Did you also ask him out first?
Well to be honest, I like sometimes doing the approaching but I take some time to know the person and stuff, then when I feel we’re ready I’ll go fo it!
I guarantee the human race would die out if they did that... That having been said most feminists are trying to get laws like that pushed.. Which is bullshit.
I think there will be an app created for two people to sign off on before even interacting! lol
Entirely possible, it would be called the consent app lol
great name! lol
Women already do the approaching, as well as men. To expect one gender to do it all the time is weird. It depends on the situation on who should approach first
Also, women and men approach differently, so sometimes if a woman approaches it's not as obvious. Just putting that out there
Ah yes, the classic excuse. "We already do it, we just do it differently, so if it seems like we don't, it's just cause all guys are too dense and idiotic to tell whenever we are. Cause we totally are, all the time. But we're still never 'asking for it', no matter what we do or say..."
It's still normally doesn't happen, most couples out there are couples because the man walked up to the woman first and asked her out first
I have friends who have asked guys out, and I also have guy friends who have been asked out by girls. It's not that uncommon.
Women would be even more in control. Is that what you want? Because then they would just pick the top guys they want and it would be the ones like you who suffer. The ones they don’t approach.
Anonymous... EXACTLY. Smart dude :) That would be a great way to let the feminists take over, especially since the unconfident guy’s pretty much give them control anyway. I don’t want that as a law (because I appreciate when guys approach me, if they do it right; it makes me feel good to be a woman, and I don’t like the social definition of feminism), and I have no issue approaching a man. Therefore, I’m with you on that and you shouldn’t have gone anonymous!
Honestly? Nein 😂
Women doing the approaching are heroine!
I'm not one for following "rules" "laws" "popular opinions".
I approach them already
If a law passed I might stop
Women do the actual approaching by dropping small hints that they are available and want you to ask them out.
No, they'd just use it as a bludgen to force a guy to do stuff for them. "If you dont ______ I'll report you for picking up on me."
Nope. They would just complain that men are worthless for not approaching them anyway.
The ones that don't already do it, probly get their friends to do it.
I think such a law would result in massive turnout in the next election of people who would vote those insane legislators out of office.
The law has already been passed. www.stylist.co.uk/.../287681
foreignpolicy.com/.../
Under this legislation, 'misogyny' is classified as a hate crime- and is defined in the law as “incidents against women that are motivated by the attitude of men towards women and includes behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”. As such, any and all such approaches, of any females by any and all heterosexual men, already DO constitute 'misogynist hate crime' in the UK. Or, rather, as noncriminal (for now) "acts of misogyny", they will all now be recorded as “hate incidents,” while acts of criminal misogyny will be recorded and prosecuted as “hate crimes,” stated Mark Khan, the lead on hate crime for the North Yorkshire Police (who've recently implemented this new legislation, following the lead of Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Somerset and Avon, Surrey and Gloucestershire, with this law now holding sway over more than 7.5M people); who also stated that "recording these low-level incidents of misogyny provides valuable data to the police, since verbal abuse often escalates to physical attacks", and implicitly justified placing any and all males deemed to be guilty of "low-level incidents of misogyny" (i. e, any attempt to approach any woman, in any manner, for "dating purposes and/or "flirting", by any heterosexual male, since this would constitute a clear example of "behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”) on a watchlist for the rest of their lives. This is not alarmism- this is not exaggerated rhetoric. This is what they're explicitly stating that they're doing right now.
Never had success with approaching men. I wouldn’t.
I don't think so.
Joking I would say that only outlaws will reproduce themselves, but I think that if it happens it will just be the end of humanity... XD
I guess id have no choice. But id just wait for the bravest one to break the law tbh.
What is this shit are you living under a rock or something heaps of women do appraoch men
LOL whooaaaa it's just a question.
Saying hi to coworker doesn't count as approaching
You think women get pissed off now?
Pass a law that forces them approach guys. Most women feel they're above that and while most would reluctantly approach guys those guys would also pay the price for it.
No. They would just complain that they would be forced to.
I get approached already, so doesn’t matter for me. Generally I’d say yes
I don't think they would. I do not think women like men near as much as men like women.
If they didn't, there'd be no more sex and no more babies!
Hell no, they'd still sit around and complain that men didn't approach, because now breaking the law will be seen as "romantic"
Yeah good point! lol
If they didn’t do the approach then I would have to say goodbye to all relationships between two of the opposite sex that have yet to be created.
Lol the way things are going it will be law soon
It already has become the law, right now. www.stylist.co.uk/.../287681
foreignpolicy.com/.../
Under this legislation, 'misogyny' is classified as a hate crime- and is defined in the law as “incidents against women that are motivated by the attitude of men towards women and includes behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”. As such, any and all such approaches, of any females by any and all heterosexual men, already DO constitute 'misogynist hate crime' in the UK. Or, rather, as noncriminal (for now) "acts of misogyny", they will all now be recorded as “hate incidents,” while acts of criminal misogyny will be recorded and prosecuted as “hate crimes,” stated Mark Khan, the lead on hate crime for the North Yorkshire Police (who've recently implemented this new legislation, following the lead of Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Somerset and Avon, Surrey and Gloucestershire, with this law now holding sway over more than 7.5M people); who also stated that "recording these low-level incidents of misogyny provides valuable data to the police, since verbal abuse often escalates to physical attacks", and implicitly justified placing any and all males deemed to be guilty of "low-level incidents of misogyny" (i. e, any attempt to approach any woman, in any manner, for "dating purposes and/or "flirting", by any heterosexual male, since this would constitute a clear example of "behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women”) on a watchlist for the rest of their lives. This is not alarmism- this is not exaggerated rhetoric. This is what they're explicitly stating that they're doing right now.
@DevilsAdvocator the uk is fucked.
@DevilsAdvocator Misogyny is hatred towards women. So how would it be misogynistic if a guy is interested in dating a girl? It would be misogynistic to refuse dating her because she's a woman, right? That law doesn't make sense. We are all gonna be doomed. Misandry needs to be a hate crime. Much more serious than misogyny.
@SkipStop I'm very scared about being a guy living in the US knowing it may very well be the same here and we can't do anything to stop it anymore?
No, but only if they're hella desperate or around friends
I think it would be just like it is with men now: some approach most dont.
The human race would die out within three generations😆
I don't know, but I'm sure some of them would use this law to jail men for fun or out of pure bitterness.
I think it's the fact that women don't know what they getting into when men approach them. Men only think with their bottom head. So that leaves woman vulnerable.
I highly doubt it, I assume the MeToo talk, movement, inspired this question
Confident women would be fine. Shy women would be alone along with many men.
What's it with people wanting laws to take away rights of the people and the individual?
Women, especially older and other undesirable women already approach men.
Nope
They wouldn't want to be seen as desperate and s lutty. But they might communicate via letters
No still probably not. And men of quality would move elsewhere.
No. They would simply lie and accuse practically every man that says hi to them with rape.
Not a chance. Maybe 10-20% more might but the majority would just complain that men are cowards
You can't pass a law to limit basic human instincts to find a potential mate.
Can't say I care. Highly doubtful my dating situation would change
Well they'd need to, you'd think the answer would be obvious..
I've been approached a fair few times it does happen you know.
I think women would like it as much as men do or they would not consent to it
You have my vote mister
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