I would say for women it is easier, but more dangerous. Arguably that maybe a contradiction in terms. Clearly however, getting a date is easier for women, but as you said the guy in question may be violent, or he might intend to use her, perhaps even causing her belly to bulge and then taking off without her ever hearing from him again.
I think the problem is the people that are jumping on you (more often than not) aren't datable (excuse the rude). So even if there are more men jumping while females/women taking/take a more conservative roles you still can't date those guys so it doesn't matter. In fact it sometimes seems to start becoming a needle in a haystack type thing.
If there's such a significant portion of men who are "undatable" relative to the number of "undatable" women out there, that would be a pretty strong indicator that men, in the aggregate, have a harder time than women. You can't just exclude "undatable" people from your calculation simply because you think they're outliers.
I was replying more to how the question was framed. Woman have to be more selective while men can be more free roaming and desperate (cause evolutionary psychology) now the thing isn't that it's woman who make it harder for them, it's they themselves. If you have low standards maybe your statement is true that boys have a harder time dating but if you equalise the standards you might have gotten it backwards.
No question men have it harder. We have to take all the risk making the first move. We are held to a higher standard than a woman in an equal situation. After marriage the woman can take the kids, the money, the house... society’s very tough on men in regards to relationships.
Women have their own struggles but ide say they balance out... however with the change feminism is making ide say men are about to have a significantly harder time or just #mgtow.
What are you? A "feminist"? This is so superficial and short sighted. Generally in dating, men have it worse any way you look at it. If you were talking about actual relationships on the other hand, then it's about equal. Every gender has its bad specimens, but if you take that out of the equation it all comes down to the work you put into it.
Men for sure, you can be the best looking guy ever and if you have no confidence women will go nowhere near you, a woman can literally have every negative trait in the world and be extremely ugly and overweight and still have MULTIPLE men interested in her.
To be fair, I only find about 10-15% of all females to be attractive, so... But I know that a lot of guys aren't like that because we're overall way too desperate.
If you had to aggregate everyone across all ages and what they're looking for in dating, I'd say it probably comes out about even, though there definitely are subgroups that have it easier/harder than others. However, If women do have it easier than guys, it's only because guys allow it.
I said men but kinda both even but financially its the guy a woman can come long and they hook up have kids together and desides she dnt want him anymore find someone else and take away half what he has plus child support and leaves him broken and poor the woman is more emotional and physical abuse because of he could hit her and make her feel she not worthy in anyother men and or been rapped and she feels like crap and become heartless woman
Easiest question of the century men. Here's your proof if a woman pretending to be a man can't get a date or even a simple reply from other girls then clearly we know where the issue lies and with whom the issue lies it's clearly not men but men are definitely the ones who struggle the most. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ctsJZ2aD1nCexfqj342NQ
Maybe so but he speaks the truth from personal experience of 100's of girls one night stands to serious relationships everything he says like "I bet you had this one girl and she did this... and you were like..." has been my experience. He always predicts stuff like that because he's so used to experiencing it himself I think he's like 40 edging 50 so he's not boomer experience but our century experience. Even in the comments, other guys repeat what they experienced and they get 200+ likes from other guys agreeing with that experience themselves you don't get that often every video cinema videos or whatever.
This is why I don't "date". I'm not going to go out of my way to plan, chauffeur, and pay for everything, just to be assumed a violent criminal. Dating is a waste of time and money, and there's nothing really to be gained from it, so I really don't know why anybody bothers anymore.
I don't need my head checked, females have it harder bc of the risk of finding abusive men. And they are not rare. We also have it harder bc a lot of guys are just looking for sex and lie to us to try to get us in bed. If all men were honest and not abusive, then men would have it harder, but only until the age of 30. Then it's harder for the female to find a man
I didn't suggest it was rare, and as you can see from the question wording, I know it's a thing, and that it's bad, and that it's more common than it should be. As I said, we're pretending that violence isn't an issue, which of course, is just pretending, granted. But you've also tied "honest and not abusive" two things together here that are not related-- being dishonest and being physically abusive aren't synonyms. So... that's rather odd.
I didn't mean to relate them. I'm saying players (who aren't physically abusive) lie to women to get them in bed, which can turn into a form of mental abuse. On your update it said get your head checked, maybe I was reading something else?
No, you read it correctly. And there is no such thing as a "player." A male does not magically owe something to a female after fucking her, if he does not want to, just like a female does not owe a male sex just because he's nice to her. They met as equals, she is a big girl in charge of her own body and her own decisions, she chose to have sex, and that is all. If she gets "commitment" out of it, great. If she doesn't, too bad. Males are not creatures that you drop enough sex coins into and are granted a prize of a relationship. That's not how things do, or should, work. If she doesn't want to have sex with him any more, or at all, then she doesn't have to. There is no "mental abuse" related to this issue that she does not allow to happen through her own actions.
Yes, players do exist. They are men who lie to women to get them in bed. You are not a woman, so you wouldn't know what it's like to be pursued by these men. They will pretend that they want a relationship. They will wine and dine you and lie to you. If you sleep with them, you never hear from them again. If you don't sleep with them, they wait a couple months, then try to play you all over again. And women can be players too, but it's more common in men
It doesn't matter if you're in charge of your own body or not. Manipulation happens to everybody. And with that excuse: are you in charge of your own body? You are actually defending rapists... Good luck to u
Oh, I know what I'm talking about and I was quoting you. "Are you in charge of your own body?" Would you tell that to the girls who were raped by Weinstein? Because he didn't use force on all of them And in the matter of players, they will wait several dates for the sex and in the meantime lie and manipulate and pretend they care about you, so you feel you can trust them and sleep with them thinking the courtship will continue. But it was all just manipulation, and they bail after they get the sex. So what are women supposed to do? Wait for marriage to have sex? Lol
... Are you truly that much of an idiot that you don't realize what you're doing here in this post? Do you not know what a "straw man" logical fallacy is?
Guess what? Abusive women exist, and according to basically all studies, the rate of abuse for both genders is close to the same (the scale is different though, men tend to injure more but this idea that it only happens to women is bullshit). And yes, it is rare. www.canada.ca/.../...artner-abuse-against-men.html "About one out of five men (18%) and women (19%) reported having experienced some form of emotionally abusive behaviour in their current or previous intimate relationships during the past five years. Men and women (11% and 9% respectively) were equally likely to report experiencing two controlling forms of behaviour (“he/she is jealous and doesn’t want you to talk to other men/women,” and “he/she demands to know who you are with and where you are at all times”)." https://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/ "Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by a partner and report a related impact on their< functioning.[ii]Nearly, 15% of women (14.8%) and 4% of men have been injured as a result of IPV that included rape, physical violence and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iii]1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) aged 18 and older in the United States have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iv]"
Women lie too, some men want a family and some women only want sex, so stop generalizing. How does some men being dishonest/abusive make it so that women have it harder? Especially when, as I've said, women do the same shit?
"How dare those filthy stupid men have their own goals? Don't they know their only goal in life is to please me?" If you don't want guys chasing you for easy sex then either stop being so damn easy, or else you should find yourself some standards. You are having consensual sex with them so stop pretending like you're a victim just because you feel rejected. It sucks but it happens to everyone, get over it.
@devilman666 The most important thing about that though, is people instinctively don't care when women assault men, even when the exact same level of force is used. I don't care who you are, even if you believe in men's equality and all that, no one will emotionally react to seeing a woman slap and man as much as they're emotionally react to seeing a man slapping a woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVHnZX8E50&t=9s
@devilman666 yes, asshole, I would consider using a guy for a free meal abusive. Just like it's a dickhead move to lie to a woman to get her in bed. They are called players for a reason
1. Since I'm the one who asked the question, I'm guessing that was directed to me. 2. That's a little rude to call someone an asshole for merely asking a question.
@David_Kek well then my answer to you: yes, lying and manipulating someone to use them for something is considered mental abuse... whether it's for sex or free food
You have simply turned into a clown, sis. Please, dance for us, as clowns do. You're already off to a good start. Clowns can't learn, but hopefully they (you) can dance. Entertain us, please.
Since you can't back up your argument or even answer questions regarding it, you have to resort to insults. Pretty typical from small boys making huge accusations
Sis... this isn't a fight. You have presented a perspective that is only half-based in reality, and coupled it with a hilarious lack of reading comprehension. It's not a fight.
You changed the whole conversation to include rape somehow... I agree women agree to sex... fact is if you aren’t willing to offer sex without commitment wait u til he’s invested... if you ain’t got a ring don’t put out... and it’s true most men won’t date you long enough to marry you if you don’t put out soooo... fucking get over it. Sex is sex... it’s a fucking good time. But if your gonna be a prude fuck that... a good woman can keep a man after putting out.
@VanillaSalt The both of you, just stop already. She's clearly been burnt a number of times because she doesn't understand how to succeed in dating, so just drop it. This argument is not gonna achieve anything.
That's funny cause I agree with that'samazing. Juliet some one hurt you bad we get that. Just cause there is rapist out there doesn't mean all men are rapist. There are good and the bad. Doesn't mean he's talking about those men. All is fair in love and war.
@thatsamazing and you have ZERO perspective in reality. To say player doesn't exist so you can justify your fuckboy actions and continue treating women like shit
Women have higher expectations for the men they date then they have for themselves.
As for sex. Believe it or not there are plenty of guys out there (nice guys) who really want to get to know you before having sex. They really enjoy the friendship. But they are MEN. Biology drives them to want to mate. There is nothing wrong with that nor is there anything to apologize for. Nothing wrong with wanting consensual sex.
But many women pass those guys up especially when they are young. Then those guys get confused and bitter. They start getting more aggressive about sex. It’s better to get laid first (consensually) because it sadly puts us in a stronger position.
I don’t like that approach. Seriously I don’t. But it’s the only approach that ever landed me a relationship. Taking it slow for me always resulted in the friend zone. Every single time.
@bluetoblack99 that's too bad. I assume women are pickier when they are younger bc they have a lot of options and men are pickier when they are older bc they have more options than when they were younger
Thank you for open minded to my observations on things.
You have to understand that young boys are being bombarded with mixed messages about masculinity. Having sex doesn’t “make you a man”. But acting too tentative or feeling unnecessary guilt about wanting to have sex definitely doesn’t come off as masculine to women. Guys might be influenced with 1) toxic guilt being taught by #metoo feminists 2) strict religious upbringing.
In an ideal world I would of met my sweetheart young and abstained until marriage. I actually would of liked that. But I never met a woman I had strong physical attraction for in church/Christian youth groups. Then when I met a few attractive women who were not very spiritual or Christian at all (but I liked them otherwise) I found myself reluctant to make a move. Still wanted that idealistic fantasy or at least less guilt if SHE made a move first or said I love you and made it obvious it was special.
That never ever works. Period. Women want men to make the move but also get creeped out if they misread her signals.
The truth is I’ve slept with lots of women. Not proud of it. But I have been brutally friendzoned (she was rude or played dumb about it) a few too many times in youth trying to do the right thing. Those experiences will have long lasting impacts on guys.
@thatsamazing nope, you're just too dumb to understand anything I wrote. Just like you're dumb enough to denounce the word player when millions of people use it... oh, but everyone is an idiot except you, right? "That's amazing" what a genius you are LMAO
Dance for us, clown. Clowns abound on this site, including well-educated ones. Please accept your role. Continue to find new and interesting ways to compare being mean to forcible rape. You've already been on such a good start, I'd hate to see you quit.
GaG would not be complete without clowns who don't live in reality. Take your rightful place by the rest of them. Can you discuss your MBA some more? Very impressive.
I take it back, I wouldn't fuck you if this is how you behave. You really are an ugly little woman that can't tell the difference between someone being an asshole and someone trying to have a civil discussion, so it's no wonder you can only attract players. I'm done with you.
@Julietchicago just a FYI I have seen female domestic violence in my own family. While it’s very rare for a woman to put a man in the hospital (unless she uses a weapon and has happened) it’s still very twisted and wrong. The man can’t get help without being mocked or accused of being a “cuck” or “pansy”. If he hits her back he will go to jail and labeled a wife beater.
Women who do this are absolutely disgusting and they do exist.
@bluetoblack99 actually you can hit her back if she hits you. My aunt attacked my dad and he punched her. She called the cops and she was the one who ended up in jail Stop believing everything you read on the internet. Real life is much different
@Julietchicago when did I say players dont exist? All I said was that 1) women aren't much, if any, better 2) if the abuse is mutual then how do women have it harder? 3) if you hate players then stop getting caught up in the game, you whine and whine about men taking advantage of you, instead of changing yourself to be unable to be taken advantage of. You hate the players but love the game, which is hypocrisy.
@Julietchicago for someone who doesn't like words being shoved in their mouth, you do it to other people a lot. The only one who said "players dont exist" was @Thatsamazing, and he didn't even mean it as in abusive men don't exist, he meant it in the context that "men don't owe you a relationship just because you gave them sex" which is the exact same thing as saying "women dont owe you sex". This idea that players are abusive because they don't devote their lives to you is nonsense, and that's what he was getting at. I think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion, two people mutually and consentually agree to have sex, but then the guy decides he doesn't want to see her again so he's a piece of shit? You're effectively saying men should devote themselves to the first person they have sex with, imagine this from your perspective, you have sex with a seemingly really great guy, then in the morning he says, "after head like that, I feel like I need to make you marry me", so you decide that's creepy and you dont want to see him again, now you're the asshole player who is comitting mental abuse. If you go on a date to dinner with a guy, then you decide you don't like him, you just used him for dinner, you're a player. You seem to assume players always have the intention of lying to you, many times it just doesn't work out, that doesn't mean the guy was abusive.
If players exist then female players exist too. Female players take my money and refuse to have sex with me, it's mentally, emotionally, and financially abusive. This is very wrong and these women are the worst kind of bitches. If you disagree with me at all then you just don't know what it's like because you're a woman.
@devilman666 you're the one twisting my words. I never said if people agree to sex and the guy doesn't want a relationship, he's a player. I said lying and manipulating a woman to get her in bed, then ditch her is a player. Or do you need me to look up the dictionary definition for you? And girls don't come equiped w lie detector tests, so no, you can't always tell who is a player and who isn't, so quit telling the victim to "work on themselves" funny how the word "faggot" offends you, but treating women like shit is A-okay!
I honestly think you are just here to fight me bc you see other guys doing it and want to engage in pack mentality.
Oooh. You're doing pretty well so far. I am not disappointed. I mean I don't know what the hell these other guys here are talking about but man you're dancing rather well. Why aren't you mentioning your degree more though? I mean, the degree means you're right, right? So keep talking about that.
Lol of course it did, sis. Of course. Oh no, don't mistake me, I'm not pooh-poohing higher education, because that would be idiotic; I just feel for you. It must be a shame to have worked so hard for something so worthwhile, and ending up getting such a poor return on your investment. In this uh "critical thinking" area, as you call it. I'm not sure you know what the term means. You may need to go back for your PhD. Maybe that'll shore up your credentials a bit more.
@thatsamazing what's the matter honey? Butt hurt bc you're dumb as a rock and you need to project? I'm sorry, but top tier universities don't teach us dumb slang terms we will never use. In regards to critical thinking skills, here's the difference between us at 11:39... https://youtu.be/A3KgAoRTlhA
@David_Kek like I told your other friend who likes to pick on girls, they teach us real shit in higher education, not stupid slang words that little boys like you like to throw around. I understand that stupid people have taken over the world, so it makes sense that you would think your tinker terms have any importance. And like I showed your friend, at 11:39 you'll see the difference between us. Just like my reaction when I read this opinion... WTF?
@Julietchicago okay but lying and being dishonest isn't abusive. Obviously you're not equipped with lie detector tests but if you're tired of getting played then stop playing. If a guy doesn't want women using him for free stuff then I'll tell him to be upfront that you're splitting the cost of the dates 50/50 until trust has been built. Likewise if a woman doesn't want men using her for easy sex then I'll tell her to be upfront that sex isn't happening until trust has been built. Don't play their game and let them take advantage of you if you're going to complaim about getting played. You're not a victim, just like an ugly man who pays for expensive dates that never lead anywhere, you're letting yourself get played by giving what you have to offer so easily. If you're upfront that sex is off the table for a while then the vast majority of players will leave you alone. The fact of the matter is you choose to play the game, then you whine about being a victim because you got played. You do need to work on yourself in this case, decide what you want, and don't let yourself get played by guys who don't want what you want.
Treating women like shit is not okay. However players aren't treating women like shit, they're just playing the game to win. You feel like they're treating you like shit because you don't like being rejected, and that's what's happening. You feel like you gave them everything they want so you deserve a relationship with them, and so you feel rejected when they don't want a relationship with you. Get over the rejection, men go through that feeling all the time, and we get called toxic if we can't handle rejection properly. I get that rejection hurts, but that doesn't make the player abusive or mean that he treats women like shit. There are sexist players who view women as meat, and there are pro-women players who just want sex. Lying doesn't make you sexist/abusive.
Nice accusation but I'm not trying to fight anyone, I'm trying to have a debate. Further, I suppose I am trying to hopefully teach you a little bit, because you seem to have caught yourself in a toxic loop of constantly going after the exact men you complain about.
The term faggot offends me because I am a humanitarian/egalitarian, I don't want anyone of any gender, race, religion, sexuality, etc. To be victimized or generalized, I want wellbeing and equality for all.
@Thatsamazing my degree? I don't have a degree. Like, I'm technically a high-school drop out lmfao. XD don't get me wrong though, I'm not stupid, lazy perhaps, but not dumb.
@Julietchicago Also, perhaps it will help me out if you define "lying and manipulation" for me. I feel like we may not be seeing eye to eye on that, as far as I would define it, I assume you mean like guys telling a girl they like her or they're interested in seeing her again, and then never calling again after you've slept together. That simply isn't abusive. That's like me calling it abusive if a girl tells me she wants to fuck me, but then when we get to the bedroom she suddenly doesn't want to continue, because obviously she lied to me when she said she wanted to fuck me. If I am not understanding what you mean then please define it for me, because there are a lot of degrees of lying and manipulation.
@devilman666 you haven't met the guys I have. They are total dicks. They don't go away when you don't give then sex, they wait awhile then pretend to run into you again or something and lie and pretend like they matured so they can try to okay you all over again. They will introduce you to their family, throw you surprise birthday parties and buy you you're favorite cake etc... but really all they wanted was the sex. This is emotional abuse because it's long-term fraud Otherwise, if you play a girl immediately wo the long-term shit, it's not abuse, you're just a dick Most of my friends are gay men, I use fag w then all the time bc they are older, so they aren't into the PC bullshit With them, it's a loving term, but w douchebags like @thatsamazing it's derogatory
Then sounds like you need to stop giving into guys just because they're nice to you for a couple days? I say the same shit to men, don't give a woman all your money just because you want sex. If you give the person everything they want then the majority of the time you're just gunna get taken advantage of. Real relationships have a give and take.
That's not fraud, sorry. Again this is like a woman telling me she wants sex, then after I buy her the presents she wants she doesn't give me sex, would that be fraud? No, of course not because you can't force someone to do something just bevause they said they would, you can only take responsibility for your own actions. You chose to have sex with them, the fact that they lied is pretty immoral, sure, but that's it. If you dont like it then you need to hold out for a while and try to find out what their real intentions are before you have sex with them. If you want to continue having casual sex with these guys then that's fine but in that case stop whining because you clearly enjoy it. If you want a serious relationship then stop playing games with players, wait until you know each other before you have sex, 3-5 dates is a pretty good standard, depending on how serious the guy is. With that said you'll have a harder time attracting serious men at this point, a man who wants a serious relationship usually wants children, and the older the woman when you get married the harder it is to have children. So men who want to settle down usually want to marry women in their 20s.
You used it in a derogatory way, which is meant to imply that gay people are somehow immoral.
You're funny. You've had plenty of opportunity to invest 30 seconds by typing it in on google so you can at least pretend you know what you're talking about. Here's a free tip, that "hipster term" is just under 200 years old.
You remind me of a meme I saw a few years ago, which involved a woman in $1000s in student debt gloating about how smart she is, then getting pumped and dumped by a mechanic who still makes more than she does with his lack of debt.
@devilman666 "just bc a guy is nice to you for a couple days doesn't make it fraud" "wait 3-4 dates before you give sex" The example I gave went on for 3 months, not a couple days and we saw each other every day. And I have a newsflash for you: guys lie! So in my case, yes it is mental abuse. And he admitted later that several girls wanted to kill him bc that's his pattern Don't preach to me about my own love life
When you call a straight guy fag, it's derogatory to him, not gays
@David_Kek and you remind me of axmene of a fat fuck who lives w his mom and plays video games all day and goes on the internet to bash women bc he can't get laid
Well it's not difficult to understand why she attracts the wrong sort of men, is it? Hell, i started off trying to be nice and have a respectful debate, and she just starting acting like a cunt for no good reason.
Reminds me a bit of the movie "falling down", where you have these two people both facing the lies and hardships of life, and one of them just snaps and suffers even more for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmuF-0P4tk
@David_Kek "she doesn't understand how to succeed at dating"
Yeah, sounds like you started it off real nice! Sorry that I stuck up for myself and I don't buy into the bullshit @thatsamazing tries to sell. All hot girls get approached by the wrong men, bc they don't give a fuck about rejection
@bluetoblack99 Uh it's her comment and my post; you can turn off notifications for this post, dude. Quite complaining. Hit the "mute" at the top of the post and that should do it for you.
"Would you consider it abusive for a woman to lie about being interested just to get a free meal?" - "yes, asshole, I would consider using a guy for a free meal abusive. Just like it's a dickhead move to lie to a woman to get her in bed. They are called players for a reason"
Note you use the word hot and not smart. The world doesn't care about "hot girls", because the world doesn't care about anyone. You're upset you got lied too? Deal with it, we all get lied to. Crying about things that upset you won't fix your problems, because now you're in the real world. Daddy is not going protect daddies little princess anymore, because you are now an adult, so start acting like it and drop the entitlement and ego, because that is the ugliest part of you. Life is unfair, and there's always sharks just around the corner to prey on anyone's naivety. If you can't accept that, then you'll either always be preyed on, or you'll die alone.
@David_Kek and I retracted that statement bc it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at someone else who insulted me, yet you continue to insult me This is about hurting my feelings bc I am lied to, it's about some asshole trying to justify his shitty behavior by saying players don't exist. I'm allowed to refute this. This isn't shingrala law
No, you didn't. You claimed it wasn't aimed at me, yet ignored the fact that he did not ask that question, I did. You responded thinking we were the same person, and offered nothing in the way of an apology. You unjustly called someone an asshole who was trying to have a respectful debate, and you didn't care less.
Your OP said females have it harder because of abusive men and men who lie. That was your OP, regardless of the fact there is no shortage of abusive women and women who lie. So i will victim blame you in this case, for this backlash you have got is entirely understandable. If you want random people on the internet to show a little bit of respect towards your feelings, then it is sort of give and take. There is no sensitivity towards men's feelings on your part by starting this entire thing off by turning a non-gender issue into a gender issue of "women victim, men perpetrator", so why would any of the people you've upset show you any sensitivity?
@David_Kek is that what you wanted? An apology? Sorry, my bad for mistaking you fir someone else. The rest of my opinion holds. Players exist, both men and women, but bc men week out sex more than women, they are more apt to lie about their intentions, thus creating player culture
Women lie about their intentions all the time. Stop making a non-gender issue a gender issue. In my opinion and experience women lie far more often than men, and far more boldly. However i'm not going to state that experience as fact, and make claims like "If all women were honest and not abusive, then women would have it harder", because i know enough to know that i don't know everything. Men and women are capable of some pretty shitty behaviour, and that's life. If you honestly believe that, then stop making divisive posts like your OP that makes gender issues out of non-gender issues.
"The rest of my opinion holds." Uhh, no, it doesn't, because it isn't an opinion. 1) It doesn't "hold," whatever that means, and 2) it doesn't "hold" because you're simply wrong. It isn't an opinion. How is this something you continue to be confused about? Why isn't your MBA helping you?
Are you seriously this stupid? My opinion holds means I retain the same opinion I had in the beginning of this argument throughout now. I should really be charging you for all the schooling I've been doing to u
(yawns, loudly) You've become boring. I had higher hopes for you. Sadly, it seems you're not capable of handling the responsibility that comes with using written language. Any further comments from you will be deleted.
I'm gonna go with males. Mostly because we're indoctrinated to internalize our own disposability since birth. Examples: women and children first. War is still mandatory for men only.
Also , I once heard that the best way to determine which gender has it harder , is by looking at which one is physically built to endure... So there's that.
I voted both, in different ways: because the hardest thing is being rejected or how they'll react. A woman could get told she's ugly (basically) or a man could be told he's ugly (basically).
And other little things. I suppose women are more at risk of rape, but then so is a weak guy if a strong gay/bi man comes onto him
Is say women have it tough but only because they have so many options. An average girl can get 100 dates over the course of 100 days. Their biggest problem is getting through the jerks and ONS only's, and it should be fairly easy if the woman actually makes an effort into avoiding those men. With guys, average guys, we are lucky to get a single date a month.
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It has likely gotten worse over the past 20 years.
Well, there is a lot of good information in there but I think we should be careful about taking just the headline itself out of context. There is more in the body of the story that does give context.
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I would say for women it is easier, but more dangerous. Arguably that maybe a contradiction in terms. Clearly however, getting a date is easier for women, but as you said the guy in question may be violent, or he might intend to use her, perhaps even causing her belly to bulge and then taking off without her ever hearing from him again.
I think the problem is the people that are jumping on you (more often than not) aren't datable (excuse the rude). So even if there are more men jumping while females/women taking/take a more conservative roles you still can't date those guys so it doesn't matter. In fact it sometimes seems to start becoming a needle in a haystack type thing.
so then it's harder for all those guys LOL! do people forget they're even human? do they just not count in the sample 😂
Wdym? I really don't get it.
If there's such a significant portion of men who are "undatable" relative to the number of "undatable" women out there, that would be a pretty strong indicator that men, in the aggregate, have a harder time than women. You can't just exclude "undatable" people from your calculation simply because you think they're outliers.
I was replying more to how the question was framed. Woman have to be more selective while men can be more free roaming and desperate (cause evolutionary psychology) now the thing isn't that it's woman who make it harder for them, it's they themselves. If you have low standards maybe your statement is true that boys have a harder time dating but if you equalise the standards you might have gotten it backwards.
No question men have it harder. We have to take all the risk making the first move. We are held to a higher standard than a woman in an equal situation. After marriage the woman can take the kids, the money, the house... society’s very tough on men in regards to relationships.
Women have their own struggles but ide say they balance out... however with the change feminism is making ide say men are about to have a significantly harder time or just #mgtow.
What are you? A "feminist"? This is so superficial and short sighted. Generally in dating, men have it worse any way you look at it.
If you were talking about actual relationships on the other hand, then it's about equal. Every gender has its bad specimens, but if you take that out of the equation it all comes down to the work you put into it.
Men for sure, you can be the best looking guy ever and if you have no confidence women will go nowhere near you, a woman can literally have every negative trait in the world and be extremely ugly and overweight and still have MULTIPLE men interested in her.
I think men have it worse but also that they bring a lot of the problems on themselves with it.
Everyone has their own unique struggles. But when women vote the bottom 80% of men as unattractive, then you have your answer right there
To be fair, I only find about 10-15% of all females to be attractive, so... But I know that a lot of guys aren't like that because we're overall way too desperate.
For men, women fall on a natural bell curve with the majority in the middle. In other words, the vast majority of men have a balanced perspective.
Yes true. On some level it becomes desperation however; too many guys are willing to give the dick to females who don't deserve it.
Well, rating as attractive is not the same thing willing to hook up with. But it is true that there are some very desperate guys out there
Males, because women dont need confidence, wonen can be depressed, women can be vulnerable, passive, shy... even jobless.
And women have more options
Yes. The guy can only be all that negative stuff, and still get girls/a girl if he's magically just really attractive.
If you had to aggregate everyone across all ages and what they're looking for in dating, I'd say it probably comes out about even, though there definitely are subgroups that have it easier/harder than others. However, If women do have it easier than guys, it's only because guys allow it.
"However, If women do have it easier than guys, it's only because guys allow it." Definitely a lot of truth to that, sadly.
I said men but kinda both even but financially its the guy a woman can come long and they hook up have kids together and desides she dnt want him anymore find someone else and take away half what he has plus child support and leaves him broken and poor the woman is more emotional and physical abuse because of he could hit her and make her feel she not worthy in anyother men and or been rapped and she feels like crap and become heartless woman
Guys are quickly compared & judged on an overwhelming scale of topics to the point of trying to meet impossible expectations.
I'm a human being, I'm not perfect and likely never will be.
Females are equally judged, just more so by other females, rather than males.
Easiest question of the century men.
Here's your proof if a woman pretending to be a man can't get a date or even a simple reply from other girls then clearly we know where the issue lies and with whom the issue lies it's clearly not men but men are definitely the ones who struggle the most.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ctsJZ2aD1nCexfqj342NQ
Dude this guy's channel looks ridiculous.
Maybe so but he speaks the truth from personal experience of 100's of girls one night stands to serious relationships everything he says like "I bet you had this one girl and she did this... and you were like..." has been my experience. He always predicts stuff like that because he's so used to experiencing it himself I think he's like 40 edging 50 so he's not boomer experience but our century experience.
Even in the comments, other guys repeat what they experienced and they get 200+ likes from other guys agreeing with that experience themselves you don't get that often every video cinema videos or whatever.
This is why I don't "date". I'm not going to go out of my way to plan, chauffeur, and pay for everything, just to be assumed a violent criminal. Dating is a waste of time and money, and there's nothing really to be gained from it, so I really don't know why anybody bothers anymore.
Uh... okay
I don't need my head checked, females have it harder bc of the risk of finding abusive men. And they are not rare. We also have it harder bc a lot of guys are just looking for sex and lie to us to try to get us in bed.
If all men were honest and not abusive, then men would have it harder, but only until the age of 30. Then it's harder for the female to find a man
I didn't suggest it was rare, and as you can see from the question wording, I know it's a thing, and that it's bad, and that it's more common than it should be. As I said, we're pretending that violence isn't an issue, which of course, is just pretending, granted. But you've also tied "honest and not abusive" two things together here that are not related-- being dishonest and being physically abusive aren't synonyms. So... that's rather odd.
I didn't mean to relate them. I'm saying players (who aren't physically abusive) lie to women to get them in bed, which can turn into a form of mental abuse.
On your update it said get your head checked, maybe I was reading something else?
No, you read it correctly. And there is no such thing as a "player." A male does not magically owe something to a female after fucking her, if he does not want to, just like a female does not owe a male sex just because he's nice to her. They met as equals, she is a big girl in charge of her own body and her own decisions, she chose to have sex, and that is all. If she gets "commitment" out of it, great. If she doesn't, too bad. Males are not creatures that you drop enough sex coins into and are granted a prize of a relationship. That's not how things do, or should, work. If she doesn't want to have sex with him any more, or at all, then she doesn't have to. There is no "mental abuse" related to this issue that she does not allow to happen through her own actions.
Yes, players do exist. They are men who lie to women to get them in bed. You are not a woman, so you wouldn't know what it's like to be pursued by these men. They will pretend that they want a relationship. They will wine and dine you and lie to you. If you sleep with them, you never hear from them again. If you don't sleep with them, they wait a couple months, then try to play you all over again.
And women can be players too, but it's more common in men
Um... no. None of that is correct. Are you in charge of your own body? And do you make your own decisions?
What is not correct are you saying men don't lie to women to get laid?
Hi. Did you miss what I just asked?-- Are you in charge of your own body? And do you make your own decisions?
It doesn't matter if you're in charge of your own body or not. Manipulation happens to everybody. And with that excuse: are you in charge of your own body? You are actually defending rapists... Good luck to u
Um... no. I'm not. That's nothing short of idiotic. You have no idea what you're talking about. Gain perspective, please.
Oh, I know what I'm talking about and I was quoting you. "Are you in charge of your own body?"
Would you tell that to the girls who were raped by Weinstein? Because he didn't use force on all of them
And in the matter of players, they will wait several dates for the sex and in the meantime lie and manipulate and pretend they care about you, so you feel you can trust them and sleep with them thinking the courtship will continue. But it was all just manipulation, and they bail after they get the sex. So what are women supposed to do? Wait for marriage to have sex? Lol
... Are you truly that much of an idiot that you don't realize what you're doing here in this post? Do you not know what a "straw man" logical fallacy is?
And are you that much of a moron that you don't even know how to back up your own argument?
Would you consider it abusive for a woman to lie about being interested just to get a free meal?
Guess what? Abusive women exist, and according to basically all studies, the rate of abuse for both genders is close to the same (the scale is different though, men tend to injure more but this idea that it only happens to women is bullshit). And yes, it is rare.
www.canada.ca/.../...artner-abuse-against-men.html
"About one out of five men (18%) and women (19%) reported having experienced some form of emotionally abusive behaviour in their current or previous intimate relationships during the past five years. Men and women (11% and 9% respectively) were equally likely to report experiencing two controlling forms of behaviour (“he/she is jealous and doesn’t want you to talk to other men/women,” and “he/she demands to know who you are with and where you are at all times”)."
https://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/
"Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by a partner and report a related impact on their< functioning.[ii]Nearly, 15% of women (14.8%) and 4% of men have been injured as a result of IPV that included rape, physical violence and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iii]1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) aged 18 and older in the United States have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iv]"
Women lie too, some men want a family and some women only want sex, so stop generalizing. How does some men being dishonest/abusive make it so that women have it harder? Especially when, as I've said, women do the same shit?
"How dare those filthy stupid men have their own goals? Don't they know their only goal in life is to please me?" If you don't want guys chasing you for easy sex then either stop being so damn easy, or else you should find yourself some standards. You are having consensual sex with them so stop pretending like you're a victim just because you feel rejected. It sucks but it happens to everyone, get over it.
@devilman666 The most important thing about that though, is people instinctively don't care when women assault men, even when the exact same level of force is used.
I don't care who you are, even if you believe in men's equality and all that, no one will emotionally react to seeing a woman slap and man as much as they're emotionally react to seeing a man slapping a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVHnZX8E50&t=9s
@devilman666 yes, asshole, I would consider using a guy for a free meal abusive. Just like it's a dickhead move to lie to a woman to get her in bed. They are called players for a reason
1. Since I'm the one who asked the question, I'm guessing that was directed to me.
2. That's a little rude to call someone an asshole for merely asking a question.
The asshole remark was directed at @devilman666
right, but he didn't ask that question, i did
@David_Kek well then my answer to you: yes, lying and manipulating someone to use them for something is considered mental abuse... whether it's for sex or free food
then we're all victims of mental abuse, making the definition kind of pointless
@David_Kek we may be. But he is saying players don't exist, and I am saying they do
what difference does it make?
Lol @ thinking a guy is a rapist because he had sex with you and lead you on.
@Hunter7754 I didn't say that. Quit twisting my words jb you want to hang up on me
Right because women are never ever psycho
You have simply turned into a clown, sis. Please, dance for us, as clowns do. You're already off to a good start. Clowns can't learn, but hopefully they (you) can dance. Entertain us, please.
Since you can't back up your argument or even answer questions regarding it, you have to resort to insults. Pretty typical from small boys making huge accusations
So you think women are superior?
@Muskrat42 LMAO! This argument is about players, not superiority. Please use critical thinking skills before starting a fight
Sis... this isn't a fight. You have presented a perspective that is only half-based in reality, and coupled it with a hilarious lack of reading comprehension. It's not a fight.
You changed the whole conversation to include rape somehow... I agree women agree to sex... fact is if you aren’t willing to offer sex without commitment wait u til he’s invested... if you ain’t got a ring don’t put out... and it’s true most men won’t date you long enough to marry you if you don’t put out soooo... fucking get over it. Sex is sex... it’s a fucking good time. But if your gonna be a prude fuck that... a good woman can keep a man after putting out.
@VanillaSalt The both of you, just stop already. She's clearly been burnt a number of times because she doesn't understand how to succeed in dating, so just drop it. This argument is not gonna achieve anything.
That's funny cause I agree with that'samazing. Juliet some one hurt you bad we get that. Just cause there is rapist out there doesn't mean all men are rapist. There are good and the bad. Doesn't mean he's talking about those men. All is fair in love and war.
Give it rest already. All of you. Enough.
@David_Kek haha cuz I can't succeed in dating? Lmao!! If you saw me, you would kiss my ass in a heartbeat. Just tired of bigots like u
@thatsamazing and you have ZERO perspective in reality. To say player doesn't exist so you can justify your fuckboy actions and continue treating women like shit
@VanillaSalt so if you don't put out you're a prude? And if you do, you get what you deserve. Nice logic asshole
Women have higher expectations for the men they date then they have for themselves.
As for sex. Believe it or not there are plenty of guys out there (nice guys) who really want to get to know you before having sex. They really enjoy the friendship. But they are MEN. Biology drives them to want to mate. There is nothing wrong with that nor is there anything to apologize for. Nothing wrong with wanting consensual sex.
But many women pass those guys up especially when they are young. Then those guys get confused and bitter. They start getting more aggressive about sex. It’s better to get laid first (consensually) because it sadly puts us in a stronger position.
I don’t like that approach. Seriously I don’t. But it’s the only approach that ever landed me a relationship. Taking it slow for me always resulted in the friend zone. Every single time.
@bluetoblack99 that's too bad. I assume women are pickier when they are younger bc they have a lot of options and men are pickier when they are older bc they have more options than when they were younger
@bluetoblack99 also what you said isn't being a player, it's just having sex earlier on. Nothing wrong w that
Thank you for open minded to my observations on things.
You have to understand that young boys are being bombarded with mixed messages about masculinity. Having sex doesn’t “make you a man”. But acting too tentative or feeling unnecessary guilt about wanting to have sex definitely doesn’t come off as masculine to women. Guys might be influenced with 1) toxic guilt being taught by #metoo feminists 2) strict religious upbringing.
In an ideal world I would of met my sweetheart young and abstained until marriage. I actually would of liked that. But I never met a woman I had strong physical attraction for in church/Christian youth groups. Then when I met a few attractive women who were not very spiritual or Christian at all (but I liked them otherwise) I found myself reluctant to make a move. Still wanted that idealistic fantasy or at least less guilt if SHE made a move first or said I love you and made it obvious it was special.
That never ever works. Period. Women want men to make the move but also get creeped out if they misread her signals.
The truth is I’ve slept with lots of women. Not proud of it. But I have been brutally friendzoned (she was rude or played dumb about it) a few too many times in youth trying to do the right thing. Those experiences will have long lasting impacts on guys.
No, I really wouldn't.
I might fuck you, but you're a bit too sour for my tastes.
@David_Kek you would never have the chance to fuck me
If I met you at a bar, you'd be easy
@David_Kek I don't drink 😂
Even better, a tea totaler with a chip on her shoulder. I'll bet in the shops your the type who wears jeans and jumpers.
@David_Kek I'm sorry, I don't understand your hipster language
Then you're not very well educated, for that term is far from hipster.
@David_Kek oh my bad. They didn't teach me your pussy language in my MBA program
Uh no dummy, you are the one who is legitimately stupid enough to compare "he was mean to me" directly to "he raped me." You're a fucking moron.
Well they clearly didn't teach you basic English, or manners for that matter
@thatsamazing nope, you're just too dumb to understand anything I wrote. Just like you're dumb enough to denounce the word player when millions of people use it... oh, but everyone is an idiot except you, right? "That's amazing" what a genius you are LMAO
@David_Kek lol whatever fag, go back to your harry potter meeting
Didn't read; you're a moron.
Moron is one of the few words in your vocabulary. You really are amazing
Dance for us, clown. Clowns abound on this site, including well-educated ones. Please accept your role. Continue to find new and interesting ways to compare being mean to forcible rape. You've already been on such a good start, I'd hate to see you quit.
Hey could you two take your fist fight to DM? The notifications are getting a bit annoying tbh. I haven’t read the details. Rather not get involved.
@Julietchicago although I very much disagree with your original opinion I do thank you for being considerate about my response.
I’ll let you and @thatsamazing duke it out with no involvement. Best of luck.
GaG would not be complete without clowns who don't live in reality. Take your rightful place by the rest of them. Can you discuss your MBA some more? Very impressive.
@bluetoblack99 ha I'm done with his Pansy ass, you could keep him
I take it back, I wouldn't fuck you if this is how you behave. You really are an ugly little woman that can't tell the difference between someone being an asshole and someone trying to have a civil discussion, so it's no wonder you can only attract players.
I'm done with you.
@Julietchicago just a FYI I have seen female domestic violence in my own family. While it’s very rare for a woman to put a man in the hospital (unless she uses a weapon and has happened) it’s still very twisted and wrong. The man can’t get help without being mocked or accused of being a “cuck” or “pansy”. If he hits her back he will go to jail and labeled a wife beater.
Women who do this are absolutely disgusting and they do exist.
@bluetoblack99 actually you can hit her back if she hits you. My aunt attacked my dad and he punched her. She called the cops and she was the one who ended up in jail
Stop believing everything you read on the internet. Real life is much different
@David_Kek what makes you think I would fuck some dumbass hipster faggot like you? Go suck a dick, then talk to me about being civil
@Julietchicago when did I say players dont exist? All I said was that
1) women aren't much, if any, better
2) if the abuse is mutual then how do women have it harder?
3) if you hate players then stop getting caught up in the game, you whine and whine about men taking advantage of you, instead of changing yourself to be unable to be taken advantage of. You hate the players but love the game, which is hypocrisy.
@Julietchicago for someone who doesn't like words being shoved in their mouth, you do it to other people a lot. The only one who said "players dont exist" was @Thatsamazing, and he didn't even mean it as in abusive men don't exist, he meant it in the context that "men don't owe you a relationship just because you gave them sex" which is the exact same thing as saying "women dont owe you sex". This idea that players are abusive because they don't devote their lives to you is nonsense, and that's what he was getting at. I think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion, two people mutually and consentually agree to have sex, but then the guy decides he doesn't want to see her again so he's a piece of shit? You're effectively saying men should devote themselves to the first person they have sex with, imagine this from your perspective, you have sex with a seemingly really great guy, then in the morning he says, "after head like that, I feel like I need to make you marry me", so you decide that's creepy and you dont want to see him again, now you're the asshole player who is comitting mental abuse. If you go on a date to dinner with a guy, then you decide you don't like him, you just used him for dinner, you're a player. You seem to assume players always have the intention of lying to you, many times it just doesn't work out, that doesn't mean the guy was abusive.
If players exist then female players exist too. Female players take my money and refuse to have sex with me, it's mentally, emotionally, and financially abusive. This is very wrong and these women are the worst kind of bitches. If you disagree with me at all then you just don't know what it's like because you're a woman.
*that last comment was sarcasm designed to show how biased your position is*
@devilman666 you're the one twisting my words. I never said if people agree to sex and the guy doesn't want a relationship, he's a player. I said lying and manipulating a woman to get her in bed, then ditch her is a player. Or do you need me to look up the dictionary definition for you?
And girls don't come equiped w lie detector tests, so no, you can't always tell who is a player and who isn't, so quit telling the victim to "work on themselves" funny how the word "faggot" offends you, but treating women like shit is A-okay!
I honestly think you are just here to fight me bc you see other guys doing it and want to engage in pack mentality.
Oooh. You're doing pretty well so far. I am not disappointed. I mean I don't know what the hell these other guys here are talking about but man you're dancing rather well. Why aren't you mentioning your degree more though? I mean, the degree means you're right, right? So keep talking about that.
@thatsamazing at least I went to college :) and yes, it does give me more credibility than you bc at least I have critical thinking skills
Sweetheart, you think the word "tea total" is a new hipster term. You have no critical thinking skills. Your degree doesn't mean shit.
Lol of course it did, sis. Of course. Oh no, don't mistake me, I'm not pooh-poohing higher education, because that would be idiotic; I just feel for you. It must be a shame to have worked so hard for something so worthwhile, and ending up getting such a poor return on your investment. In this uh "critical thinking" area, as you call it. I'm not sure you know what the term means. You may need to go back for your PhD. Maybe that'll shore up your credentials a bit more.
@devilman666 My man have you not noticed that she has a brain tumor? Lighten up.
@thatsamazing what's the matter honey? Butt hurt bc you're dumb as a rock and you need to project? I'm sorry, but top tier universities don't teach us dumb slang terms we will never use. In regards to critical thinking skills, here's the difference between us at 11:39...
https://youtu.be/A3KgAoRTlhA
@David_Kek like I told your other friend who likes to pick on girls, they teach us real shit in higher education, not stupid slang words that little boys like you like to throw around. I understand that stupid people have taken over the world, so it makes sense that you would think your tinker terms have any importance.
And like I showed your friend, at 11:39 you'll see the difference between us. Just like my reaction when I read this opinion... WTF?
https://youtu.be/A3KgAoRTlhA
@Julietchicago okay but lying and being dishonest isn't abusive. Obviously you're not equipped with lie detector tests but if you're tired of getting played then stop playing. If a guy doesn't want women using him for free stuff then I'll tell him to be upfront that you're splitting the cost of the dates 50/50 until trust has been built. Likewise if a woman doesn't want men using her for easy sex then I'll tell her to be upfront that sex isn't happening until trust has been built. Don't play their game and let them take advantage of you if you're going to complaim about getting played. You're not a victim, just like an ugly man who pays for expensive dates that never lead anywhere, you're letting yourself get played by giving what you have to offer so easily. If you're upfront that sex is off the table for a while then the vast majority of players will leave you alone. The fact of the matter is you choose to play the game, then you whine about being a victim because you got played. You do need to work on yourself in this case, decide what you want, and don't let yourself get played by guys who don't want what you want.
Treating women like shit is not okay. However players aren't treating women like shit, they're just playing the game to win. You feel like they're treating you like shit because you don't like being rejected, and that's what's happening. You feel like you gave them everything they want so you deserve a relationship with them, and so you feel rejected when they don't want a relationship with you. Get over the rejection, men go through that feeling all the time, and we get called toxic if we can't handle rejection properly. I get that rejection hurts, but that doesn't make the player abusive or mean that he treats women like shit. There are sexist players who view women as meat, and there are pro-women players who just want sex. Lying doesn't make you sexist/abusive.
Nice accusation but I'm not trying to fight anyone, I'm trying to have a debate. Further, I suppose I am trying to hopefully teach you a little bit, because you seem to have caught yourself in a toxic loop of constantly going after the exact men you complain about.
The term faggot offends me because I am a humanitarian/egalitarian, I don't want anyone of any gender, race, religion, sexuality, etc. To be victimized or generalized, I want wellbeing and equality for all.
@Thatsamazing my degree? I don't have a degree. Like, I'm technically a high-school drop out lmfao. XD don't get me wrong though, I'm not stupid, lazy perhaps, but not dumb.
@Julietchicago Also, perhaps it will help me out if you define "lying and manipulation" for me. I feel like we may not be seeing eye to eye on that, as far as I would define it, I assume you mean like guys telling a girl they like her or they're interested in seeing her again, and then never calling again after you've slept together. That simply isn't abusive. That's like me calling it abusive if a girl tells me she wants to fuck me, but then when we get to the bedroom she suddenly doesn't want to continue, because obviously she lied to me when she said she wanted to fuck me.
If I am not understanding what you mean then please define it for me, because there are a lot of degrees of lying and manipulation.
Oh nothing is wrong, hon. (pats you on the head) Nothing at all. I love people like you. You're highly entertaining.
@devilman666 you haven't met the guys I have. They are total dicks. They don't go away when you don't give then sex, they wait awhile then pretend to run into you again or something and lie and pretend like they matured so they can try to okay you all over again. They will introduce you to their family, throw you surprise birthday parties and buy you you're favorite cake etc... but really all they wanted was the sex. This is emotional abuse because it's long-term fraud
Otherwise, if you play a girl immediately wo the long-term shit, it's not abuse, you're just a dick
Most of my friends are gay men, I use fag w then all the time bc they are older, so they aren't into the PC bullshit
With them, it's a loving term, but w douchebags like @thatsamazing it's derogatory
Then sounds like you need to stop giving into guys just because they're nice to you for a couple days? I say the same shit to men, don't give a woman all your money just because you want sex. If you give the person everything they want then the majority of the time you're just gunna get taken advantage of. Real relationships have a give and take.
That's not fraud, sorry. Again this is like a woman telling me she wants sex, then after I buy her the presents she wants she doesn't give me sex, would that be fraud? No, of course not because you can't force someone to do something just bevause they said they would, you can only take responsibility for your own actions. You chose to have sex with them, the fact that they lied is pretty immoral, sure, but that's it. If you dont like it then you need to hold out for a while and try to find out what their real intentions are before you have sex with them. If you want to continue having casual sex with these guys then that's fine but in that case stop whining because you clearly enjoy it. If you want a serious relationship then stop playing games with players, wait until you know each other before you have sex, 3-5 dates is a pretty good standard, depending on how serious the guy is. With that said you'll have a harder time attracting serious men at this point, a man who wants a serious relationship usually wants children, and the older the woman when you get married the harder it is to have children. So men who want to settle down usually want to marry women in their 20s.
You used it in a derogatory way, which is meant to imply that gay people are somehow immoral.
Yes... we already heard you say that. And you're still wrong. Don't get boring. Keep up the entertainment please.
You're funny. You've had plenty of opportunity to invest 30 seconds by typing it in on google so you can at least pretend you know what you're talking about.
Here's a free tip, that "hipster term" is just under 200 years old.
You remind me of a meme I saw a few years ago, which involved a woman in $1000s in student debt gloating about how smart she is, then getting pumped and dumped by a mechanic who still makes more than she does with his lack of debt.
@devilman666 "just bc a guy is nice to you for a couple days doesn't make it fraud" "wait 3-4 dates before you give sex"
The example I gave went on for 3 months, not a couple days and we saw each other every day. And I have a newsflash for you: guys lie! So in my case, yes it is mental abuse. And he admitted later that several girls wanted to kill him bc that's his pattern
Don't preach to me about my own love life
When you call a straight guy fag, it's derogatory to him, not gays
@David_Kek and you remind me of axmene of a fat fuck who lives w his mom and plays video games all day and goes on the internet to bash women bc he can't get laid
That's cute, yet incorrect, on all counts.
@David_Kek She is cute isn't she? I don't mean physically, but like... you know.
Well it's not difficult to understand why she attracts the wrong sort of men, is it? Hell, i started off trying to be nice and have a respectful debate, and she just starting acting like a cunt for no good reason.
Reminds me a bit of the movie "falling down", where you have these two people both facing the lies and hardships of life, and one of them just snaps and suffers even more for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmuF-0P4tk
@David_Kek "she doesn't understand how to succeed at dating"
Yeah, sounds like you started it off real nice!
Sorry that I stuck up for myself and I don't buy into the bullshit @thatsamazing tries to sell.
All hot girls get approached by the wrong men, bc they don't give a fuck about rejection
Please stop this crap. Take this to DM or something. I’m getting notifications from you all everyday day. It’s annoying.
This isn't a debate. It never was. A person telling the truth and another person speaking non-truth is not a "debate."
@bluetoblack99 Uh it's her comment and my post; you can turn off notifications for this post, dude. Quite complaining. Hit the "mute" at the top of the post and that should do it for you.
"Would you consider it abusive for a woman to lie about being interested just to get a free meal?"
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"yes, asshole, I would consider using a guy for a free meal abusive. Just like it's a dickhead move to lie to a woman to get her in bed. They are called players for a reason"
Note you use the word hot and not smart. The world doesn't care about "hot girls", because the world doesn't care about anyone. You're upset you got lied too? Deal with it, we all get lied to. Crying about things that upset you won't fix your problems, because now you're in the real world. Daddy is not going protect daddies little princess anymore, because you are now an adult, so start acting like it and drop the entitlement and ego, because that is the ugliest part of you.
Life is unfair, and there's always sharks just around the corner to prey on anyone's naivety. If you can't accept that, then you'll either always be preyed on, or you'll die alone.
@David_Kek and I retracted that statement bc it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at someone else who insulted me, yet you continue to insult me
This is about hurting my feelings bc I am lied to, it's about some asshole trying to justify his shitty behavior by saying players don't exist. I'm allowed to refute this. This isn't shingrala law
No, you didn't. You claimed it wasn't aimed at me, yet ignored the fact that he did not ask that question, I did. You responded thinking we were the same person, and offered nothing in the way of an apology. You unjustly called someone an asshole who was trying to have a respectful debate, and you didn't care less.
Your OP said females have it harder because of abusive men and men who lie. That was your OP, regardless of the fact there is no shortage of abusive women and women who lie. So i will victim blame you in this case, for this backlash you have got is entirely understandable. If you want random people on the internet to show a little bit of respect towards your feelings, then it is sort of give and take. There is no sensitivity towards men's feelings on your part by starting this entire thing off by turning a non-gender issue into a gender issue of "women victim, men perpetrator", so why would any of the people you've upset show you any sensitivity?
@David_Kek is that what you wanted? An apology? Sorry, my bad for mistaking you fir someone else.
The rest of my opinion holds. Players exist, both men and women, but bc men week out sex more than women, they are more apt to lie about their intentions, thus creating player culture
Women lie about their intentions all the time. Stop making a non-gender issue a gender issue. In my opinion and experience women lie far more often than men, and far more boldly.
However i'm not going to state that experience as fact, and make claims like "If all women were honest and not abusive, then women would have it harder", because i know enough to know that i don't know everything.
Men and women are capable of some pretty shitty behaviour, and that's life. If you honestly believe that, then stop making divisive posts like your OP that makes gender issues out of non-gender issues.
"The rest of my opinion holds." Uhh, no, it doesn't, because it isn't an opinion. 1) It doesn't "hold," whatever that means, and 2) it doesn't "hold" because you're simply wrong. It isn't an opinion. How is this something you continue to be confused about? Why isn't your MBA helping you?
Are you seriously this stupid? My opinion holds means I retain the same opinion I had in the beginning of this argument throughout now.
I should really be charging you for all the schooling I've been doing to u
Sigh... no honey, save your money for you PhD. You're going to need it, since your MBA's use has proven... doubtful.
Only after you get your GED
No see, you need to get your PhD as soon as possible. We want to hear about it.
@thatsamazing and I want to hear about your next Nambla meeting
(yawns, loudly) You've become boring. I had higher hopes for you. Sadly, it seems you're not capable of handling the responsibility that comes with using written language. Any further comments from you will be deleted.
I'm gonna go with males.
Mostly because we're indoctrinated to internalize our own disposability since birth.
Examples: women and children first. War is still mandatory for men only.
Also , I once heard that the best way to determine which gender has it harder , is by looking at which one is physically built to endure... So there's that.
I voted both, in different ways: because the hardest thing is being rejected or how they'll react. A woman could get told she's ugly (basically) or a man could be told he's ugly (basically).
And other little things. I suppose women are more at risk of rape, but then so is a weak guy if a strong gay/bi man comes onto him
Risky business, aye
Women have it easier and I am a woman.
Those who say women have it harder are just spoiled, whiny princesses or hardcore feminists.
Pathetic.
Is say women have it tough but only because they have so many options. An average girl can get 100 dates over the course of 100 days. Their biggest problem is getting through the jerks and ONS only's, and it should be fairly easy if the woman actually makes an effort into avoiding those men.
With guys, average guys, we are lucky to get a single date a month.
It has likely gotten worse over the past 20 years.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html
Well, there is a lot of good information in there but I think we should be careful about taking just the headline itself out of context. There is more in the body of the story that does give context.
Women are normally in the position of accepting or declining, ignoring or responding.
Yep.
Yup, that's a luxury that women definitely have