What are your reasons for picking whichever you picked?
Who has it tougher, overall, in dating?
What are your reasons for picking whichever you picked?
Both have it tough in their own unique ways.
Guys (and I can talk from experience): You've got a vision in your head of personality, sense of humour, appearance, mannerisms/conduct and you want a woman who can cover %90 of it all. It can be very hard. Every detail is scrutinized.
Girls: They have it tough because they have a similar vision. My chick friends have common dealbreakers when it comes to dating - Has to have a job (ANY job, as long as he has one), has to have all his teeth, a great sense of humour but knows when to be serious and of course trust and honesty.
Both have it tough in similar ways but also different. I'd say it's dead even between both genders. As a man I feel I have a duty to approach the girl or commence communication. That's just who I am and I have no qualms with that at all. But times are certainly changing (or have changed already?).. I've asked for a few numbers recently and was rejected because they had boyfriends, which is fine. But I feel as though asking for a number to taker her out can come across as creepy and weird in this day & age.
In western countries women DEFINITELY have it easier in general. I can provide a full list wby but it would be a word wall.
However in underdeveloped countries were rapes and violent crimes are underreported I can see it be tougher for women.
@Wolkmi at least women are raised to respect men in those countries. However men are also completely expected to be the breadwinners and to be emotionally bulletproof. Stoicism is valued.
I’ve traveled. I prefer the eastern approach vs the western approach. Women are being taught in the USA that being respectful to men is “patriarchal”.
I didn't even answer but your initial question literally says "Realistically, I would say females have it worse only because some guys are violent and a gal may be afraid to go out alone with a stranger on a blind date or something." but then you have a super aggressive update where you 360 saying "Females definitely don't have it harder". Did you just like... change your mind oooooor?
... No... I didn't change my mind. Did you not read the part where we're pretending to put violence or potential violence aside?
lol what? So instead of looking at what you refereed to as Reality we are looking at a fantasy world where such violence doesn't exist? Your question description wasn't clear, it makes it seem more like your answer to the overall question than a guide to how others mind sets should be when answering this question. Why not just base the question completely in reality?
"So instead of looking at what you refereed to as Reality we are looking at a fantasy world where such violence doesn't exist?" Correct.
"Why not just base the question completely in reality?" Because the fantasy is the way reality should be, shouldn't it? A world where females can date without fear of violent reprisal? and where males can date without fear of emotional and Internet reprisal?
"Some guys" yea some women do that aswell.
Your off your rocker if you think women have it harder though...95% of you could get a date with a guy without opening your mouth.
I havnt had a date in 7 years because women either dont know what they want/they want a 10 who's got a mobile atm but also I'm shy as fuck because women over the years have absolutely destroyed my confidence in myself and I find life easier without you females.
@thatsamazing While in an ideal world there would be no violence, sadness, starvation, and disease something like that is just so beyond our years that nowhere in this lifetime will any of that every be completely gone. it's not a bad thing to look at and think what the world could be but to base your opinions in it is just... kind of stupid. I mean you're literally saying that men have it harder when it comes to dating ONLY in this ideal world where violence just doesn't exist, which might as well be not world at all really.
Also, I don't know of any guys that adamantly think that one of the "risks" to dating is internet reprisal. Like if you find a girl and start dating her and maybe post a pic of you two together online nobodies gonna bully you for that?
No... it's only stupid if we ignore all that. Which is not the case. As you can see by the question wording.
Do you not agree that dating and violence are not the same? Violence is violence; dating is dating. We may as well say that sex is rape.
As in, if we can call the meetings between people "dating" in the first place, that means no violence is happening-- or else it isn't dating. It's violence and/or aggression.
@Be4rdy I think you may have misread my post, The "some guys" part was a quote from the askers initial question at the top. I haven't stated my opinion on the topic.
Also don't you think that it's I don't know super fucking weird to think that supposedly "95% of you could get a date with a guy without opening your mouth."? Like do you really think that someone would want to date a guy that would seriously go on a date with them without even saying a word? That shows that they have some pretty low standards and are really only looking for a warm body, I could be a complete fucking psycho but based only on my looks he wants to be with me.
Also don't just blame women for the fact you haven't dated in 7 years, it takes 2 to tango. Either you're looking in the wrong place, no trying enough, or you're the problem. And I'm saying that without trying to throw shots at you honestly, it really is just the truth. Obviously not all "Females" are money hungry sluts, fact. But if you really feel better off without a women in your life then by all means live your best life. Just don't go full incel.
I'm sorry, I literally don't know what your trying to say. No offense but could you use complete sentences, like instead of saying 'No... it's only stupid if we ignore all that." Address what "It" is and what "that" is. I'm basically saying that I shouldn't have to re-read my whole reply just to try to find the context your coming from.
The only part I really understood was the last part but two people meeting doesn't constitute
"Dating". I can meet up with my sister somewhere and it's obviously not a date. There can be violence in Dating and relationships. A relationship with abuse in it isn't called abuse it's called an abusive relationship just as with dating.
I'd say males because girls usually have more options. If they dont like a guy, they can just find another one but for guys it's hard
Yep.
It's not hard if we lowered our standards like women do every week to get laid.
i actually know very less women with low standards.
rebound relationships are a female thing, hookups are a feminist thing. When feminism wasn't around there was no hookup culture.
Hookups are feminist thing?😹 im sorry but it's hard to belirve that a group of feminists started prostitution.
No feminists are against prostitution because it involves a male pimp who owns girls. Tinder is a way for women to be exactly that without needing to pay the pimp.
So what? Both sides want to hookup and they do. What is wrong with that?
I don't respond to negativety
What do you mean?
Work it out yourself 😁
@Wolkmi we have options, if you approach girls in public that is.
@Wolkmi well yes, it is a little unfair. However i feel like if males cared less about outer beauty, they could find a partner easier.
I have seen many conventionally attractive women with not so good looking guys but i have rarely seen a good looking guy with a not so good looking girl.
Thats not true, women care more about appearance like height or penis size or in tinder men are the ones who find most women attractive and women who are picky. And I dotn think is necessarily bad, women have a lot of chances and male attention thanks to their body, they have men approaching, they can be shy, etc
Care less? Ya any man with game can prob land a 2. But why. I get some people don’t look good but a 2 can be a 6 with effort. I don’t do fat anymore. After 10 years of relationships with heavyset women I’m done with that. My first was 5 years and she had a medical condition. I tried to help and workout with her and was on with it... she cheated... twice... my second was 5 years as well. She was just unhealthy and I didn’t like that. It’s just unacceptable that I have to workout and have fun hobbies and have good income and you can’t even get on a treadmill? So ya no more fat for me. Few extra pounds is sexy though
Lol wolk. Women don’t care about penis size... actually most men with big penis don’t use it right... average is just fine with good technique... 5-6 in is what they expect
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Who has more difficulty is a very subjective question to answer. More importantly, why does it matter? All we need to know is that dating can be difficult for both sexes and we should be mindful of that and not deliberately do anything that makes it even more difficult for our partners.
Every shy persons finds it hard, be it male or female
Really, how many times have you approached a guy and been rejected?
Have you ever had one reject you in an over the top, dramatic, publicly shaming way then go back to her friends and spread lies to ruin your reputation for the fun of it even though all you did was say "would you like to go for some coffee and hangout?"
I thought so, women are really clueless about what it is to be a man.
I'm getting old now, I haven't had a date since highschool. I'm never going to marry or have children.
Again, women are clueless..
Maybe compared to outgoing members of their own gender... but there's no comparison across gender! Girls have the critical advantage of reliably getting by without putting themselves out there. By contrast, a guy who's too shy to put himself out there will be starved for attention 99 out of 100 times. It really is a gamechanger.
Well no, the difference is that when you're a girl all you have to basically is just nod if a guy likes you but that guy gotta approach you, knoe what to say and have the courage to escalate his moves as he bears all the different pressures coming from fear of rejection, insecurities and so on and funny enough this is just the very beginning for a guy
But who has it worse? A shy man or a shy woman?
I say guys, only reason is cuz girls tend to have way more options then guys do , if a guy thinks a girl is beautiful their will be a line of other guys thinking the same thing , if a girl thinks a guy is hot their won’t be that big of a line , it also depends on who asked out who first on the date , the person that asked has it the hardest for the simple fact that they are the ones hoping that person likes them the same way back. When a girl asks me out and I say yes , part of me already knows the ball is in my court. When a guy asks a girl out she has the ball in her court so whoever asks who has it the hardest
Equally tough but in different ways. Harder for guys to break the ice and actually get the ball rolling; but for women it's tougher to end up with a long term commitment due to the subset of guys who'll pass their first screening... their criteria tend to only leave them with the guys who have a dozen girls to pick from, and we are aware that we have no reason to settle for just one.
"but for women it's tougher to end up with a long term commitment" Yeah but... so what? Why should it all be about that?
It doesn't have to be about that. Just saying that guys' difficulty is getting a foot in the door; girls' difficulty is getting the guy she let get that foot in the door, to want anything monogamous. Yeah, I think they sabotage themselves there with who they choose to let through that initial screening.
One of the benefits of having female friends is that I've gotten to hear detailed horror stories about guys who just try to force themselves and try to date rape them or imply violence to get submission.. there's no way us men being rejected or otherwise even remotely compares to the unknown terrors women face when going out on dates.
Definitely so. Which is why I'm saying if in theory we could put that aside, who would have it worse. Now obviously, in reality, we can't put that aside, but even so.
Yes in that context men do have it harder.
In this modern age girls have more options. people have more options. but finding a good partner is harder.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y4E8qEDi_xghttps://www.youtube.com/embed/DZTIbHIsIYwhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/vat7bMxFG6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/v97tzlwMWz4I'd say females. Because as a guy you can just decide to be single. But women are kind of expected to date i think. I don't know if it's the expectations that come with giving birth to a future generation or what.
But whether it be family or friends what are the first things women discuss, " are you seeing anybody"?
That is one point in favor of females having it tougher, but still, the point is they have more options. Guys don't usually "decide to be single"-- most of the time, we don't have a choice.
Very few men are violent and any girl with half a brain can spot the warning signs long before she goes on a date. The hardest thing about being a girl is the number of guys who want to date you just for that reason, your a girl, rather than for your own personal qualities.
List some, aye? :P
How he interacts with other, does he always have to be right, obsession with standing his ground, gets aggressive over the smallest slight, always trying to prove something
No, i meant what personal qualities is purplepoppy saying she's got that she can bring to the table, for some guy? The onus is on poppy now, lol :P
girls have so many options they want a guy equivalent to a dildo lol
@ChocoBrownieMonster well my good man, i suppose they could, aye. But us lads can also be picky about boobies or butts, lol. So men can even the score somewhat :) or buy a porn subscription. Lol. Hands.
@nousername26 I meant more so about the fact that a dildo has no feelings or emotions. But yeah I guess size too lol
No girl on GAG or anywhere else has ever articulated their value other than their looks and sex appeal. The only girl know who even mentioned it in real life said 'i sacrificed everything for him' before he dumped her, I asked her what? And she said my time 🤦
@ChocoBrownieMonster hmm. Interesting.
I can cook does that count?
It does.
(2/2) Perfected dish?
Cook British foods or Italian foods and that's instant brownie points. Most white men like a good feed like that. Mmm sausages, mash. Pasta's, spaghetti's. Damn i'm hungry.
I know my way around a curry but I'm probably best at making pies
Oh that's likely a deal-breaker. Not a fan of meat pies (and i'm Australian!! Lol) nor spicy foods. I eat basically English/Italian).
Fruit pies are nice treats like ice cream or whipped cream.
I thought Australians just barbecued everything
I'm welsh anyway so there's a bit italian influence through the medium of ice cream
@purplepoppy 😑 barebequed everything... smh
i always hear about a welsh woman from a guy called marco or alejandro at a hotel resort who said they are good in bed but have a mouth
Sounds about right
Nope, i have a very crappy small BBQ. In a perfect world, i likely would buy a decent one, have a big outdoor area, and use it often but not frequently. I just use the oven grill instead. Oh yes i do have a sweet tooth for ice cream and more. In my diet, i always like sweet or savoury and not spicy. I'm a freak 😅🙃
@ChocoBrownieMonster lol. Interesting commentary. It's okay if a woman has "a small bit" of mouthy to her. "A small bit." Wink.
@nousername26 lmao just you wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ4kWE2bwtU
Excuse me? So only dumb girls are prone to violent men? You act like men who are violent are waving around machetes. Violent men know how to charm a woman and the violence doesn't come until later
@purplepoppy come to think of it poppy... i sort of ponder if perhaps the qualities you've listed almost sound like poppy would always have to be right, always stand her ground and always obsess over smallest slights... just pondering to you? Cheekily ;)
Both have their struggles. But really it depends on the individual also.
Most men have a tough time getting dates/getting laid. For men who do get laid, the struggle is just finding a girl worth settling down with once he decides he wants to do that.
For women, they can get dates and get laid really easily. Their problem is that the majority of men who approach them they have no interest in. And then the ones who are attractive are often players looking to ejaculate and evacuate.
As I see it though, men who have a tough time are usually just men who don't understand what women want and the same goes for women who constantly get pumped and dumped.
To be fair though, I'm glad I'm a guy. I think we have many more ways to become more attractive if we want to than women do. Women pretty much have to rely on the genetic lottery for the most part.
Ya but the lottery’s won prob 80% of the time and if not makeups the big equalizer lol
Nah man all they have to do is lose weight. Which isn't hard to do if you are smart about it and are dedicated. They don't need a genetic lottery; basically, they need to shave their legs and not be fat. It's actually really easy.
Face matters.
And your face looks better the lower your body fat percentage is.
It seems like guys have it harder. They're always complaining on here about not being able to find a girlfriend. It's definitely easier for a girl to get a guy.
Men have a much more difficult road to travel in dating.
It is the social convention that men are supposed to make the first move.
Imagine getting hundreds of bitchy rejections and put downs from young females.
It is the social convention that males should pay for everything.
That can make dating too expensive for young men who are just getting started in life.
Also, when was the last time that you heard of a man making a false rape allegation against a female?
In today's world, just being alone with a female exposes the male to a false allegation that can destroy his life.
Both have some struggles of course. I do think that women have it worse. The reason is simple:
Men.
Dickpix, that stupid empty flirting, asking for sex etcetcetc. It's not for no reason that some girls have in their bio (used to tell something about yourself) "I don't want to receive dickpics or have sex".
I am not sure in what sense you are referring. If it's in the sense of actually having a date, males, we, have it much more complicated.
Women's are like a flower. A flower doesn't need to move to get the direct attention of a bee. Women's doesn't require to seek for a date. World wide, are men who propose to women not the other way around. We, as men, would be similar to a bee, looking for the best flower.
If you are referring in terms of safety, women's have it much more complicated, is why they are picky, even tough guys with psychopathy trick them with their charm, unfortunately. Guys with psychopathy who learn the language of the average person.
Guys are expected to "take the lead" , but some aren't even aware that there is a lead to take (referring to late teens who are starting to date). Even older guys- particularly shy dudes- have a hard time of trying to "read" potential girlfriends, when to ask - and not ask- for a date, etc.
I've never tried dating outside Turkey so my opinion is not a healty one. I'd say males, because girls have so many guys approaching them and they can be fit or not as long as they have a vagina they will be able to find an average guy. But for us guys, we have to be confident, good looking, need to have a big penis, money (a good job and steady income) etc the list goes on. I don't know about other countries but i'm not an ugly guy, average maybe and I have 0 matches after a week of tinder in turkey. It's kinda depressing to be male.
I wonder how dating as a man in Turkey would compare to the USA.
Probably I will do better in any other country.
It’s easy to think that but think twice about some western countries. We have modern feminism giving woman the power to #metoo a guy if he looks at her too long. Women are extremely flaky, picky and entitled out here. Not all of them. But too many of them. They are taught that being “strong” is to disrespect men.
But I know Muslim culture is very strict with sexual codes. So it would be different out here.
Belirve me Turkish people and women have similar behavior when it comes to social/romantic interactions with men. But the awkward part is, they don’t show that side of theirs to foreign people. So it would be easier for a guy from Europe or america to pick up girls in turkey. And for people like me, i think i can manage to pick up girls outside of turkey (mainly western countries). I’m also a sociology major so it wouldn’t be a big problem for me to adapt to different cultures.
I understand that man. Just don't give up hope.
I’ll do my best 😂 Stay strong man 💪🏻
I know Turkey is one of the more liberal Muslim countries. But if a Turkish girl had premarital sex with a western man would she face criminal punishment via sharia law? I plead ignorance about knowing about your countries legal system and culture (other than it being Muslim).
No she can do whatever she wants and no law would punish her. But she might experience psychological harrasment from her family if they are still living in de 700s.
It's not tough either way.
There are girls who can't set themselves up right, and there are guys who can't do things right. It's more down to the individual and their circumstances, than simply their gender.
Perhaps. There's some truth to that, but the point being that many individuals from the same gender all functioning in the same way does lead to gender disparities.
Men have it harder. If you're shy, you're basically dead to the dating world, unless some dominatrix finds you and makes you her slave, and you're not really going to have a great time there, unlike the shy girl that calls any man's attention, basically. If you're a girl, you can always get laid, no matter if you're the ugliest girl out there. If you're a guy, you might not be able to get laid that easily, and will have to work on yourself a bit even for that
Try online dating as a woman and as a man.
You'll find 10 matches in one day as a woman and maybe 2 matches in one day as a man.
Therefore men have it much harder. Supply and demand.
It's harder for men, but in a sense, their desperation, tolerance for bs (to get sex) and lack of quality control is part of why.
True, that's fair to a point.
Guys/men have it tougher. We have to go against many guys going after the same
girl/woman. Guys have to be on their A-game, to take charge, to find the spots, to convey confidence, to pay for the first few dates and etc. I’m different and I’m simple, a girl I’m on a date doesn’t have to dress up, she doesn’t need to put on tons of makeup. Just be you, Say yes, and meet up. Sure, add some element of prettiness but no need to over do it to get my attention. But if it’s me, girls don’t have to do much, I try to make it easy and chill.
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