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Why are men not trying hard anymore? (Page 3)
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Why try when most women are shit today; the good ones are already taken.
women don't want committed relation ships as such independent women aka feminism want men who will fuck the girl and move on.
true. Feminists want men to use women and throw them away like garbage. Feminism thinks it is female empowerment
What happened with #4? He was all over you! How did you f that up? Did you ignore him?
I don't know, he has some confusion issue.
But he was obsessed with you. You had him in the palm of your hand. So why didn't you keep him?
What do you expect them to strive for?
For my love
Just because a guy proves he's loveable, doesn't mean that you're lovable too
Who said they are loveable?
you did
"For my love"
This, If you want a guy to love you, you need to be the kind of girl they would love, and when you are the type they love, it's not work to want your attention, because you both automatically feel inseperable and take every chance you get to spend time together.
You can't "force love by working harder/putting in more effort", that never works, it should be easy, instinctual even, like enjoying good food or a favorite hobby.
Cuz a lot of stereotyping and women emancipation messed up the playfield for men.
This tbh
Even in a relationship, women make it easy by enabling them to not care and try harder.
Maybe because life is harder. You could maybe just be less complicated.
It looks like you are swimming in the wrong pool...
It's a reminder that I always hated being the Hunter
Why though?
Why would I waste my time with women. I get rejected by all of them so what's the point
@grega239
Exactly just rub one out and move on about your day. No drama no STD's no cowshit.
Haha lol it goes both ways some guys are cool and some are not and ALSO some girls are cool and some are not so it depends on the person
Why do women never try?
So I shall be texting them after date?
That would be very nice of you actually.
Harvey Weinstein used to try hard. But what happened to him then again? 🤔
Honestly you sound like you're probably not worth much more than a couple of rim jobs (receiving end).
You can only chase for so long before you run out of gas.
I think that it’s because over population. Children becomes burden because there are too many populations on the earth.
Cause guys are all insecure or players or just stupid sadly
So many people have difficult relationships with parents and it screw them up 👆
thing are all different. parrent use to teach there kids about dating. and respect they don't do that kind of stuff anymore.
Because a lot of them aren’t.
says who? Im trying.. but Im not getting anywhere!
You made me smile
good... I did my job
Why bother, you are ultimately only interested in our a free meal, a free roof over your head, a baby, and then want a divorce so you can take our money too... so fuck you.
Most girls aren't worth the effort
@Jmmmfi4
Exactly bro.
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@Jmmmfi4
@joeblow123 my dude
The better question is why are you and all of your liberated female friends a hoe
Dont downvote me. You literally slept with the guy you thought was hot while you expect the other guys to wait their turn. Enjoy being single and sleeping around or get some dignity and have a classy relationship. Till you do that, stfu.
Actually 2 guys she labeled "hot" are the only ones she slept with, "shy" and "mature respectful guy" got nothing.
@tuvwxyz yes?
@tuvwxyz you call having 7 options and sleeping with 2 normal.
These days, with Tinder, I call it conservative... I believe the word you intended, correct me if I'm wrong, is "appropriate" referring to "healthy", to which the answer would be a strong no.
i call you a cuck
That's fine. I have a strong enough sense of identity to take others' input as [highly subjective] opinion, while having no perceived effect on my perception of myself, or ability to diminish or enhance my ego - I'm only a cuck here to the mind of someone with a tiny window into who I am as a person, and fail to understand how calling me that makes any valid point.
Because women today are not worth the effort.
I never tried hard tbh. I've only hooked up with two girls and they where both from dating apps
Because mgtow, which is like, bang women but dont entangle yourself with them, makes sense
MGTOW offers us hope and options. Long live MGTOW.
Never met a woman that was worth trying hard for.
I read literary fiction, am constantly listening to audiobooks, in decent shape (not gym obsessed, but muscular enough), my only "stimulant" for energy is protein, whereas nearly every young woman I find must carry their smartphone everywhere, addicted to coffee, social media, rarely reads unless it's fiction (for pure entertainment), and, many attractive ones, are so anxious it's often a battle just to get a conversation going, and will talk about superficial (shallow) qualities they want in a guy like shopping for a piece of clothing on Amazon.
I've yet to meet many truly strong women, who have razor-sharp focus, critical thinking skills, not for lack of capacity, but modern culture offers every opportunity to escape development of these skills, this many modern women seek more to be like a Kardashian, or Taylor Swift (famous, admired, etc.) than someone of great character, intelligence, etc.
@tuvwxyz We don't exactly share or look for the same things but I get what you mean. Most women have a very narrow view of what they want to be and it's nothing that would ever attract a man.
@tuvwxyz They are comparing themselves to fake people (celebrities). We don't find a flying fuck about those pretend people. We want someone with a real personality. Not some fake version of it.
The first thing you need to do if you want a good man is accept the fact that you must earn his trust and thereby his respect. You have to be respectful of yourself. If you can't or won't do that then the problem is you.
*give a flying fuck*
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@HamburgerFries many I mention something about myself (confidence, focus, etc.), they say "I'I wish I could do that [have that, etc.] - my reply is usually how much went into it, then read this, watch this, try this - common factor being all actions require patience, sacrifice, persistence - then right back to their phones, coffee, little effort [interest] to change, unwilling to sacrifice anything that would compromise indulge in emotional stimulation [i. e. wanting, but unwilling to make sacrifices required], I see this over and over.
Rarely, almost never, do I meet one who tells me they'd like to have my focus, confidence, intellect, then when I offer solutions, suddenly drops their phone, coffee, and obsessively makes whatever sacrifices are needed, because they're actually serious about achieving something, over simply indulging in trivial emotional stimulation [social media, etc.), and says "I went right out and read that book, did that thing, now I'm spending hours every day training to get these results, had to give up x, y, z, but it's worth it" to reach at something greater.
@tuvwxyz Yea. They want to grow and evolve but they aren't willing to put in the effort. No one can improve yourself but you. It's like they want to have all that you mentioned downloaded like they scene in The Matrix where Trinity learns to fly a helicopter. They want the easy way out. Nothing worth doing is easy.
Look at the salty women.
I guess it's only two.
Lol I’m at work making money while I spend money learning s a new language... I like a simple but comfortable life but make 3x my monthly bills on a slow month. I can fight, fish (including prep), hunt, and I’m smart enough to know I’m not the smartest in the room... but I’ll catch as much of the conversation as I can to close that gap.
Unfortunately I’m only 5’7” and my job limits me to online dating... it’s a speed bump for me. Women are far more shallow then men.
gender movements destroyed everything
Men no longer see values or benefits in relationship.
Women are no longer worth the effort.
True in probably 80% of cases and most of the other 20% are locked up in long term relationships.
Honestly we’re just tired of the crap we go through
Reward must be commensurate with the effort.
That’s not going to be me when I get a girlfriend.
You aren't reciprocating their enthusiasm so they assume you're not interested.
Same reason why women are not trying hard anymore
Because all men are bastards, I said that earlier
Maybe it's because your fucking boring.
Did you straight up tell #3 he was unattractive?
By the way it’s just so typical who you decided sleep with vs what you decided to pass up above. #5 and #6 have potential. I dunno if either one of them made a move on you yet although #6 shouldn’t of “asked for for your undies”. What context did he do it in anyway? A joke? Or a question out of nowhere. If it was the latter you have a legit reason to pass him up. But if it it was the former than you are way too uptight. Also what is #5 “insecure about what he wants”. Was it because he didn’t make a move on you? That’s a quick judgment.
I’ve had more than one women exploit my effort, time, money, effort, chivalry in the past (friendzone bs). All off those resources are finite. That’s not to say I won’t invest in a girl who is worth it again. I will. However I need to be 110% sure she respects me and is interested.
I recently turned my back on a girl who gave me a few hints but cheeked me for when I went in for a kiss. I tried to court her slowly but after she did that I decided to move on (quick). Funny how she follows all Instagram stories now (I unfollowed her).
She didn’t do anything wrong. But she’s definitely not worth the effort if she won’t reciprocate.
It's not appreciated and worth it
Because women aren't trying AT ALL anymore
They are gay those types
Latent homosexuality lol
@anon1903 lol🤣
Actually, I demand an amendment to your statement. It's only gay men who try nowadays. Who care enough to try.
That’s because only men are worth trying for anymore lol.
Because girls aren't accepting anymore.
Ask these futon liberal feminists why. Gtfo!
Maybe chicks are playing too hard to get.
They play hard with the guys who actually are a good catch, and are easy with the guys who treat them like trash. But men are wising up.
Make no mistake men are dropping in quality as well... most of these men that wise up aren’t throwing themselves into hobbies and careers.. their becoming incel and making the dating experience worse.
I see 2 possibilities. 1 men stop honoring women and stop having sex... even our most extreme movement mgtow don’t tell men to stop having sex. They know it won’t happen. Option 2 women wise up and start behaving like women and stop using men... but I can’t imagine most people giving up a privilege for others fairness.
@VanillaSalt option 3 everyone becomes gay lol.
Well that’s out for me I don’t do dudes. I’ll buy a 6k sex bot who’s conversations don’t consist of one word answers... but no really there’s a pretty kewl sex bot out there that talks back...
Watch this it’s great! by the way that price was years ago the website actually shows 6k after just 3 years... give it another 3 and even man will be able to afford one on a months salary. Way better than a ring costing 3 months-.-
https://youtu.be/-cN8sJz50Ng
@hahahmm Yep. It's our duty as older men to educate the younger guys. It will trickle down into their social groups and eventually these women like the OP won't even have the jerk off assholes to choose from 😂😂😂
@VanillaSalt Incel. I never understood why men get labelled that. How do you or anyone else know that a man is celibate? Just because you think he's a virgin or can't get laid doesn't mean it's true. People that label guys incel are projecting their own insecurities onto others.
People that get laid all the time don't realise that they are damaging themselves by having meaningless sex. Sure it feels good at the time. But it will end up making you feel empty inside. I know. I've done it too much.
I have cut down on seeing hookers because sex without emotion is pointless. Hookers will never love a client.
What we good men are looking for is a woman (not a girl) to commit to us 100% and only us. That is what we are aiming to do with her. But only if she is worthy. She doesn't get to decide that. We do. We are not going to give our attention, time or resources to a girl that isn't worth the effort.
So ladies either step up and put in effort to make yourself attractive (not just physically) but emotionally and show you have good character and can be trusted. Or forever keep asking where are all the good men.
*Jigsaw voice*
The choice is yours. But don't take too long though. The fertility window is closing and if you don't act in time you'll hit the wall. Which remains undefeated.
@VanillaSalt dead link. Got another?
What dead link?
@VanillaSalt "Make no mistake men are dropping in quality as well." In general, yes... but that word incel gets used too much. Especially by women who are just trying to silence men from speaking their minds. Meanwhile women have been able to say whatever they wanted to for 50+ years.
@VanillaSalt It's working now. Wasn't showing up before. And yea I've seen that sex bot before. Still a ways to go until they are more human looking.
I used the word incel and meant it... involuntarily celibate angry hateful fools that don’t want to work harder... a man should always be improving not for some dumb broad but for himself as a man. They say focusing on yourself women will take notice... let’s break down what that means... make yourself worth more then when your premade she can jump in and claim what you have as hers... I am not okay with this. I will choose not to marry if I get to a point where I’m set and my life’s completely together... after this point I will not allow a woman to share what I spent decades building. Once I love my sex drive and get too old for kids I won’t have any use for a woman if I haven’t built a connection by them anyways.
Have they ever been trying hard?
Because today if we do, that's harassment
1 word! Tinder
just curious, but as much as I hate tinder can you please explain why you blame it for men not trying anymore?
The bars are so low
Some are low. Some are high. The women who have a low bar scare away the men who have a high bar (and vice versa.)
I prefer a medium bar myself.
Because women keep giving them money
What?
@VanillaSalt women demand subhumans
People nowadays
are mostly incapable of getting into long-term relationships. The guys that you met are obviosly not ready for a relationship. Why so? Because guys aren´t born as great husbands, boyfriends. Many people imagine life and relationships to be easy but that´s not what is.
Relationship mean to take responsibility for another and all those guys you´ve met realized that when they had a date with you. Because they are inexperienced or afraid to tell it to you they started to ghost you.
Because of the fact that there are such things as casual dating and the idea that online dating would make things easier we guys aren´t in the mood of rising it all for a woman.
Maybe it's you.