Women.
Men lie and cheat and may manipulate to have more freedom and avoid being judged or try to avoid women changing them or getting them to do what they want; and they tend to more often juggle other women in their life at the same time.
But women are more calculated and complex in their manipulations. They also tend to try and stand on the moral high ground when they have faulted as well.
Here's an example. I just watched this on the TV.
Guy and a girl, close to 30, they've been together, on and off, for 7 years. They're from two different countries.
It was LDR and he lived abroad mostly, but she didn't like his country, so eventually he moved to hers permanently. While they were apart, him trying to make plans to move, she cheated for a year and a half of that with some other guy. She lives in a small town and everyone knew about it.
Who told the guy he was being cheated on? The guy who she cheated with! He felt really bad. They were also friends, and he said he couldn't lie to his friend anymore. The woman only fessed up once she was caught.
He forgave her.
But when she broke up with him (years later, unrelated; she was always mad and fighting with him) and said they could both see other people, then he got into a four month relationship with another woman. But he still loved her so begged for her to take him back.
She asked if he had been with anyone else. He lied and told her just for four days, but it was a relationship for four months.
Then later he comes clean and tells her the truth, to clear the air. They love each other and are back together.
But she flips out and cries and is angry, and breaks up with him yet again, claiming "Because he lied." But she was cheating for a year and a half! And he didn't cheat. She broke up with him, said they could see other people, and then berates him for doing so.
Why? "It was a test." "I thought if I broke up with him he would realize how much he missed me and he would do the things I wanted in the relationship."
She's on screen again saying, "He is really dumb, but at the same time he is really manipulative. He knows how to get inside my head and change my mind and play with it."
That is not at all what happened. She is the one who manipulates him, and convinces him he is always in the wrong. He's begging for her forgiveness, again. And the only thing he did that was wrong was lie about 4 months vs. 4 days. She threw him away, didn't want him. He found someone else. But wanted her back more. She's hurt, jealous, and angry that she wasn't always the only one. She's an absolute hypocrite. Her tears are real tears, but she's convinced herself that she has no blame.
If anytime a partner is honest, the other berates them for it, the relationship won't have honesty. And that breaks trust. And that ends relationships.
This is the shit that women pull. These psychological tests. They set the rules, make a trap, and then try and convince the guy that he's an immoral piece of shit.
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Hmm I'm biased because I don't think of myself as playing games.
I've had some men play some dumb ass games.
But mostly the basic standard one. They want sex but know they can't get it unless they lie about wanting a relationship. So they play the game until they have what they want then they start back tracking.
Saying they want to be together but create distance, only to show interest if sex is on the cards.
Ugh!
1. I am 100 heterosexual male, so all of my relationships have been with women. I have no idea how other guys act in their relationships. So I can't compare men to women in general. Since IMHO I don't play games, the answer is automatic: women play far more games. And if I was a female, the automatic answer would be that all MEN play more games.
2. Since I am heterosexual and engage only with women, why does it matter whether they play more games than men? How many games they play. . . that's what they do and I've got to deal with it.
3. Experience may teach you that gender differences on issues such as this are greatly exaggerated and how much a person is a game player is a very individual matter and not determined by their gender.
Guys... and it's because women fall for it (over and over again). As @DizzyDesii explained, guys will just say, "Fuck this bullshit" and bail.
I cannot count the number of threads from otherwise intelligent young women who say, "My boyfriend promised me that he's going to A) stop drinking or using dope, B) stop hitting me, C) get a job, D) become a better father, E) other.
"How long have that two of you been together?"
"Five years."
"What!"
"I've left him twice, but came back because I don't want to be alone. Do you think he'll really change this time?"
It's sad.
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I don't think that's determined by a person's gender, more by the kind of person they are..
I'd say women and its taken 2020 to 2021 for men to start playing those mind games as a result women are now the ones being told you want a game then I'll play YOU'RE game. And the ugly part is a lot of women don't like it XD.
Such as the white lie left women made up that they hate it when men they consider "weird and gross" approach them. The result as of 2021 most men are like okay thanks for telling us. You can then approach us instead. ROFL.By far the guy's play more mind games than females do. It has gotten even worse to the point of gaslighting the female. Hey, if a guy is making you feel crazy, you gotta get out and fast so you can keep your sanity. Remember, whatever guys do to girls, they are just training the gals how to treat them like the way they treat us. So, guys, better watch out how you play your mind games, because the girls are taking notes! And yes, we are comparing our notes.
Men are more likely to admit they were wrong. So in that sense can be a mind game of women seeking one-upmanship. Men often have bigger egos. Women are more likely to be manipulative to get married or what they want. So it really depends on the motive. Some men play mind games with women for sex. Some women play mind games with men over him to pay for her expense. In a long term relationship women play more mind games to get the best outcome from an argument in their favor.
Women try but often fail lol. Guys just say “fck the bs” and leave. Guys try and some women keep chasing to understand why theyre not good enough. Im glad i stopped being that girl back in HS
Without a doubt women, simply because young women inherently have value by virtue of being young and attractive (high sexual mean value), but lack the physical strength to protect themselves from a man. So in order to maximize the small window of time when she will be in her sexual peak, a woman has to mentally manipulate men into giving her what she wants, be it commitment, or various things, by keeping them in the friendzone.
when it comes to sex and relationships prob women but that’s cuz they have the upper hand anyways, but in life in general i mean men are more likely to be the drug lords and serial killers so i’d think we’re far more capable of being devious and calculated to a deeper extent 🤣
Women, for sure. Men's minds are simple - they want sex, and if they don't get enough, then most of what they do is an attempt to get it. That's not very complicated. Women on the other want, want a LOT of different things, including sex. Once they learn that sex is the easiest route to getting all those different things, the games begin. But it's not the "only" way they get, or try to get what they want - there are plenty of other mind games they use.
My classmate was dating this guy who is our local magistrate
and he kept leading her on and wouldn't marry her and trust me
this girl is a wonderful person but he is older than her it took
many years before he finally made it official to marry her
so I believe men could lead women on vise versa some
women will do it cause they are involved with babies
to another manOn average, men abuse physically more easily and women abuse emotionally more easily.
I think men try to play more games. Woman are just naturally more mysterious and maybe moody so difficult to predict and emotional.
Definitely women. I'd even go as far as to say the majority of women play mind games. Women are the ones that expect men to be mind-readers most of the time. And almost no men play mind games. The few men who do, everyone knows are assholes.
Both do, however a woman will be more emotional and may come over as paying mind games.
Proper mind games are cold and calculated.
both are very capable of playing games to destroy the other.Both can be manipulative. But in my experience, women play more mind games. I'd have to guess if she liked me.. Men have to make all the first moves, and women just sit there looking pretty, with a huge choice in men. I do not understand why a grown ass woman can't say how she feels, and you have to guess what she thinking. Way more pressure for men. Say what's on your f'n mind!
I think it's even up. If you're so shallow that you have to play mind games with your partner you really need to find someone that gives a shit what you say.
Definitely women. We are wired for cunning and strategic social gains.
I’ve definitely had men play mind games with me however, I have also seen my male friends get fucked over by women playing mind games so I’m going to say both do it equally
Oh, women for sure. I grew up with two sisters. Women are far more devious than men would even think of.
women, I think we do it because we are vulnerable and want to make sure he is the right one
When it comes to abusive relationships statistically speaking, women tend to do that more.. They also make men do idiotic manipulative childish shit tests to prove them selves. Men do not.
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