The concept of chivalry was based upon defined gender roles, were women accepted lesser or more subservient roles with in a male dominated society.
So with the advent of feminize the concept of chivalry is archaic, and even with women who desire the concept the rules of society no longer allows for true chivalry to happen. This do the the equality of legal rights afford women. In divorce court you can not go to the judge and say that you engage in a chivalrous relationship, therefore you have no legal obligation.
This cuts to the heart of the debate on chivalry today, because women want equality a long with all the customs and courtesy traditionally afford to women... which they literally want it both ways without having to be required to adhere to any of the traditional customs afford to men.
Chivalry was based upon a inherent belief that women were inferior to men in certain areas.
Forget where I heard it but agree with the sentiment that feminism killed chivalry enmass because the inherent nature of the two cannot exist at the same time.
Feminism more or less promotes the idea that women are equal to men. They can do all men can just as good if not better and that a woman doesn't need a man.
Chivalry is an acknowledgement of the disparity and the stronger protector assisting the weaker sex. That's essentially what it is. So you can't have women are just as strong as men and don't need any help, and at the same time say men should be chivalrous and protect the weaker sex.
I don't think it should be forgotten. I love to see a man hold the door for others, or to buy a meal for someone else. It doesn't need to be directed toward me to be chivalrous in my eyes.
I hold doors open for men all the time. Also get a fair amount slammed in my face, for those they get loudly embarrassed. I would say from their perspective it wasn’t worth it.
You can't have a room that's dark and light at the same time. You can't have a person who is wealthy and poor at the same time. And you can't have chivalry and equality - for they are opposites.
Women need to decide if they want equality or chivalry, because they can't have both. And both come with advantages and disadvantages, and they are package deals. Choose ONE.
I generally think people could benefit from some sort of standard of how they should ideally behave in order to motivate them to behave in a more ideal way. At least it always benefitted me. The gentlemanly way of conduct was always valuable for me that way not only with respect to how to treat women but how to treat people in general.
One of my concerns if we throw out such ideals that people might just resort to more hedonistic ideals, like men and women taking pride over how many people they slept with and abandoned rather than how well they treated them. The value of these types of ideals as I always saw it was to civilize us away from such base desires and redirect us towards nobler pursuits.
I suppose my question is what we replace such traditions with. I have seen these YouTube videos of self-proclaimed alpha males talking about how to become alpha males, for example, and I find some of their advice quite atrocious and focused a bit too much on the superficial and material. I think at least the gentlemanly way of conduct is a superior way.
I don´t think it should be forgotten I´d rather say it shouldn´t be taken for granted because a female spends time with me and is nice to me she can´t expect me to chilvarious. Chilvary is a choice of behavior you either show as a guy or you don´t. It´s nothing that you should be made to show. There are also different stages of chilvary because holding a door open or opening a door that needs more strength to open are acts that cost less than inviting a woman for dinner. So be as a chilvarious as you see fit.
I went on a date and the girl told me she was a feminist so i responded, "i was going to pay for both of us but since feminism is so important to you lets really stick it to the patriarchy and why dont you pay the bill for both of us." She fucking did it lmao 🤣
Honestly i think its too direct and rude. Maybe make a note of it and then do something else. Girls remember when they offend you, theyll know what you're up to. Bet you never saw her again
I like the concept of chivalry but it conflicts with the culture of today, so you can't practice it without catching hell from some cunt who's desperately looking to be offended. If I had an attractive woman that I knew wanted a traditional relationship I'd be all about it.
Well it depends how you offer. If you're forceful or too insistent about it, then it's just rude. If you're polite about it, then it's welcomed, but not expected or required in my opinion
Civil curtesy is when you display a helpnig hand when absolutly needed and therefore appreciated unconditionally. Chilvary was intended to display civil type curtesy to gain the attention of yourself and the rest of the knights above the average others. Chilvary was a desprarate measure to aquire a womans interest above the insecurity of the man who presented it. Common curtesy is a demeanor of a man\woman who are curtiest of other around regardless.
Nor should women accept drinks from men if they aren't interested in them. It's a two way street.
I agree with your point, but we both know that there are plenty of women - particularly those who spend a lot of time in bars and clubs - who go out all the time with no intention of ever having to pay for a drink, or food, or whatever, because they fully expect men to pay for them.
Just a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to a woman in her mid 30s who claimed she never paid for a drink or meal when going out until she was 32, and it was a shock to her that she actually had to pay for herself after making it through her 20s never having to pay.
We both know that there are plenty of women who never lived that way, but if you go to bars and clubs, those party girls are most of who you meet there, and those are the places where these expectations, on both sides, are learned.
@MrOracle Why is that the woman's fault if she's not asking for it and it's being offered why shouldn't she accept? Wouldn't it just make sense if men stopped just giving away free stuff... since they are the ones making the choice to?
You are missing the point. Among the bar/club crowd, the free drink/sex expectation is widely understood and accepted by both sexes. It's considered a fair trade for all involved.
It's not really an issue for that crowd - it only becomes an issue when people bring those expectations out of the party scene and onto the mainstream world.
I spent hundreds of evenings in bars as a DJ - a sober DJ - and I have interacted with thousands of women in those situations, and saw far more interactions. I've been offered many things, and had many more implied, by girls wanting me to buy them drinks. I know quite well how that world operates.
A man who is well mannered.. is a lot more attractive than a man who isn’t
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Some women can still appreciate a man and guys like me can still appreciate a feminine woman. If you are a feminist, marry another feminist. If you are a feminist don't expect to be treated like a lady, you should be treated like a man (equal).
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Who cares what "gals" want. Just focus on what matters--attractive women. If chivalry helps get them I suggesting using it.
Okay reading a number of replies below, yes people don’t under stand what chivalry was, it’s really got cock all to do with women.
It’s about how a guy acts among other guys.
Things tended to be broken down in to military and non military
Japan not using firearms, preserving their honour codes. The King of Scotland informing the English in advance of his plan to invade, was fully part of the chivalric code. People such as William Marshall.
Its a guy who puts girls on pedestal and thinks she can do no wrong and will defend her even when she's the one in the wrong. He's giving attention to a girl that doesn't want him and merely sees him as a desperate loser
So what’s the exact opposite of a simp? Definitionally, it’d be some guy who hates all women because he assumes they’re all narcissistic and seek to castrate men’s power. Yes?
A dude that knows a girl is into him and actually likes him. A dude that can show her he cares but also isn't acting like a doormat. A dude that will tolerate bad behaviour from a girl just because he likes her
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