Do you believe in the concept of High Value Males?

[SweedyPie]

I see online things about being a high value man or hear men mention they are one or women referring to wanting a high value male. Naturally I wonder who actually believes in this concept?

Yes

Nope

Updates

+1 y

I'm guessing that people who believe in high vale men also believe in Leagues. Which is the concept that people are on different levels and you should date within or league or if you end up with someone in a higher league than yourself, you're lucky. Please respond to this update by commenting under your original response if you believe in leagues too.

Updates

+1 y

The term high value man asnitbis perpetuated in social media is by no means a positive thing. Yes, for each person the words high and value together hold various meanings but I am speaking of the slang term "high value man/male". For the people who think such things exist I say to each his own. However, notice that humans are prone to trying to find ways to separate who is better and who is not worthy. Do you remember Animal Farm with the pigs who said that all animals are equal but some animal

[Seinna]

I do, though I also think men and women tend to disagree on what it means exactly.

Men seem to think it's mostly about physical attractiveness, money and status while women value other traits as well - faithfulness, potential to be a good partner and father, resourcefulness, strength (both mental and physical), character and integrity. Some of these traits are unfrotunately lacking in many men who straight out call women gold diggers and try to fool themselves and everyone else into thinking that is the sole reason they've been rejected. Also, when speaking of a single man on a dating scene, a high value man is not too old unless the woman isn't interested in having children. For me a man's value as a potential partner decreases as he turns 35 because every passing year he has less time to father healthy children and ultimately that's what I seek in a man. Yes, being financially stable and capable of supporting a family is required to be considered a high value but unlike what some men think, it's not the only thing that matters and for many women not even a deciding factor. A man who's playing around and using women is not high quality no matter how rich he is. Money is not the thing that defines the value of a person, however their ability to earn it regardless of circumstances is definitely a big factor for men. Good health is also a requirement to be high value.

Like it or not, people are not equal. You're worth the effort you put into yourself and into your life. If you chose to play games and work at McDonalds or Starbucks until you're 30 then your value as a partner is less than a man who has different priorities in his life. That being said, to me the concept of high or low value is strictly used for dating, meaning if a man is say 50 years old and I'm nowhere near that age then I don't view him as high or low value because it simply does not matter to me. Of course, there are also high and low value females though for women the things that make them more or less desirable as partners are different - age and physical attractiveness play a much more significant role.

[WonderBell99]

The societal definition of "High Value" is different from mine. Having abs, making 6 figures or being 6ft is NOT a high value male. How does it define who he is as a person? He could have a personality worse than filth. I find it cringey whenever someone refers to themselves as a 'high value' person. What do they mean? Does it mean that they are "better" than everyone else? I find them to be pompous and conceited.

Personally, I look for mutual physical attraction, the ability to have scintillating conversations, trustworthiness, authenticity, hard working, kind, good sense of humor, mature and a good listener. I want someone I can count on when I'm feeling down. I want someone I can share my life with. I wouldn't revolve my life around them, and I certainly don't want my partner to do the same. I like travelling, so preferably someone who loves travelling as much as me. You know what's better than staying up until 2am with your partner and talking about the most random shit ever? Nothing. I want passion and comfort.

[crossdressingrihno]

I am not a man but speaking with something that I do have experience with I'm going to use the term high value women or women who are more how do we put this it's difficult cuz saying sexually attractive isn't the entirety of it cuz there's more to a woman's value than sexual attractiveness although that is a very important part
How about overall relationship value or ORV

A woman's ORV is based off of how attractive they are to other people within their age range as well as how their personality, demeanour, health and a general status is

A woman who is physically ugly but is very kind is still going to have a low ORV and thus will probably be less likely to gain a attractive or high ORV mail not impossible but unlikely

I don't believe people should be confined with dating people within their ORV I believe they should date whoever is willing to date them and who they are willing to date as long as they're not doing anything morally bankrupt like cheating on their wife or trying to slip something the woman's drink or whatever else

I do happen to believe in an ORV or overall relationship value because it is just a thing that exists we are naturally going to value one person as a partner over another person depending on certain qualities those qualities may change over time along with our cultures and science and stuff like that but the basic idea of this person hot and this person not is just going to exist until we stop needing have sex entirely and even then it's still probably going to stick around for a while longer unless we end up like the pandas which I really hope humanity does not end up like the pandas

[crossdressingrihno]

I meant I am not a woman

[TheSpaceGnome]

What is considered high value is based personal preferences, same for 1-10, its too subjective to be a "league".

[Intothevoid666]

Rich, tall, handsome, intelligent men are not objectively more attractive? Because find me the woman who says I want to date a poor, short, ugly, dumb guy.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Intothevoid666 Your example falls short of reality.

objective superiority is not what attracts people, relatibility is.

lets say you found some extremely religious woman, she hates money because of her view on it being the source of greed, she thinks being rich means being evil, and she thinks vanity is a sin, and she likes dumb guys who believe the same bullshit she does. So she wouldn't be interested in the guy you described.

Objectivity gets thrown out the window in most relationships.

I like gaming and being creative and having free time, and I have expensive tastes in products, so logically, a rich woman who can fund my dream career and cook for me and clean for me would be perfect right?
Well, no, I want someone I can mentally relate to, someone just like me, not someone who fills my shortcomings or acts as "my other half", or my bank, or does tasks I hate doing, but rather one who shares my sources of enjoyment with me.

Another man might disagree, he might want a maid and bank for a wife despite sharing my hobbies.

Love is definitely subjective, therfor what is or isn't valued is subjective.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I honesly would prefee a woman with a lower income.

[TheSpaceGnome]

prefer*

[Intothevoid666]

I’m not saying no one has different preferences but if u think the majority of women don’t want someone tall, attractive, smart, and wealthy ur kinda just delusional. Like that’s what 95%+ of women want. Sure not literally every woman on earth will agree but most def will.

[SweedyPie]

*standing ovation*

I wanted to post the rest of my update but I can't post more than two for the week lmao. So I'll make a myTake on it. Great response. Excellence in explicating. Not long winded at all, straight to the point. An altogether good argument. 10/10.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Intothevoid666 There is no "the majority" people are picky.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Thanks, I try.

[Intothevoid666]

The vast majority of women prefer taller men and it would be absolutely delusional to claim otherwise.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Intothevoid666 seems like you are delusional, most people in general don't even mention height in their requirements list when dating, it's largely deemed unimportant.

[Intothevoid666]

So if I make a poll asking that question right now and tag u in it that’s not how women will vote?

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Intothevoid666 a poll on the internet is going to have random results, because you aren't getting answers from everyone, you are getting answers from a random, small group of people, who happened to use the site, see your question, and bothered to answer it.

it's not like a census where it's mandatory for everyone to answer, so the poll results aren't capable of representing the public as a whole.

You could get 10 or 100 people and it could seemingly validate your point, or you could get 10 or 100 people and it could seemingly disprove your point, it matters who decides to answer and how many decide to answer, but most of the public doesn;t even use gag, so good luck getting any useful consensus.

[SecretsofKB]

No I don't... this isn't some card or video game. People are people. Making more money doesn't make you "high value". Neither does being attractive or whatever else.

[Still-alive]

damn life isn't a video game? :(

[zyxacb]

@Still-alive video games are, literally, attempts to model configurations of reality at varying levels of realism, but if there's a win/lose dynamic, at the most basic level, life is like a video game

[HighValue]

Some people ARE higher value as a partner than others.

Being a more desired/preferred height, being strong, having an attractive face, being good with kids, being intelligent, being able to come up with successful solutions to problems, self discipline, having an acceptable past, having a respectable/good job, etc. all add value to someone.

The only people that deny those things add value to someone are the low value people that bring very little to a relationship/potential partner.
Examples of low value would be, short weak men, fat women or ones with an unacceptable past, (drug use for men or women, financial irresponsibility and large debt, bad with kids).
Different qualities DOES add to or take away from someone's value as a potential long partner.

People that don't believe it should go get a broken down used car from a junkyard to have for their primary vehicle. It is just as valuable as others right? How about eating food from a dumpster instead of clean food from a store or restaurant? It has the same value right? Only ignorant people, or people in denial due to their own low value try to claim that everyone has the same value.

[GreedGod]

I'm short, does that mean I'm low value? What a BS...

[WonderBell99]

@GreedGod Just because you are short does not mean that you're of low value. Don't go around believing cringy stuff. The term is "high value" is demeaning. Just be a good human being. Height is largely genetics. You can't change your height unless you undergo surgery and that's a waste of money.

[Hanrej]

It absolutely exist. In The sense that there are men who have more reasorces or influence, men who are more able than other men. Here's the problem though and it's true for women as well; they're very unlikley to actually do anything for you. Gaining that value and keeping it means they can't just flaunder it and so they usually have very high expectations on people they'd do anything for. Somtimes those expectations even exceed what they're willing to do in turn wich means that for all they've got you become one of their assets rather than the opposite.

So what do they do? Well, they display their wealth, inflate their importance, make people want THEM rather than go for who they want and when they have somone on the hook they'll be like "yeah I can give you a much easier life, you can live in better standards and I can offer it to you for a far less cost than you're currently spending on your living situation". They won't actually use those excact words but once you think that way yourself you're trapped.

So you agree and you let go of your own home, thinking you've made a great deal but you've just lost your independence put yourself under somone else. Sure you live better, sure it's cheaper but at somone elses mercy.
That's why there are certain laws to protect the interests of somone willing to relocate and become dependent, otherwise people just wouldn't do it.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

More than "High Value Males" or "Females", I believe in "High Value People" - goodhearted, kind, morally strong, and determined.
In my opinion, people can be divided in three groups - tomatoes, apples, and grapes.
Tomatoes are red outside, and red inside - they are good people both within and without.
Apples are red outside, and white inside - they appear as good people and might be, but need counsel, kindness and understanding to stay on the right path and live well.
Grapes, on the other hand, are irrecuperable and sour. You can do nothing with them and if you are not careful, they'll grow and spoil the bunch.

[Creampiekarl420]

Put it in a showtune queer bait

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

@Creampiekarl420 it's actually the basis of the Juche and Byunjiin idea.

[Creampiekarl420]

@Sun_Kim-Ai I understood that I’m just saying that it was gay

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

@Creampiekarl420 there's nothing "gay" about it. It's the idea of a just society - one people, one country, one leader.

[Creampiekarl420]

If you say so bro

[Lliam]

Of course.

I suppose some characteristics a high value male would being masculine, gentlemanly, bright, motivated, hard working, energetic, capable, kind, compassionate, understanding, generous, honest, loyal, protective, authentic (not affected), communicative, fun loving, funny, ... stuff like that.

Notice that I didn't mention height, 6 pack abs or six figure incomes because, although those things might be a bonus, they aren't what it takes to get a high value woman unless one's definition of a high value woman is a materialistic, beauty queen, gold digger.

[Seinna]

Yes, I agree 100%!!

[Lliam]

I think using the term leagues is valid. It has to do with things like looks, charisma, and wealth.

There are different levels, just like in sports. A lot of guys might play baseball, but very few are going to make it to the minor leagues – Low A, High A, Double A, Triple A – let alone the major leagues. Some guys aren't good at baseball at all. So there are different leagues in one sport but there are also other sports.

The same with life. Some guys are just super handsome. Some have a lot of charisma. And some are born into wealth or are successful at making money. And there are different levels within those categories. Some guys are high level in more than one. But just like in professional sports, people have different opinions on who is the best.

Face it, even the prettiest girl from a small town is never going to marry a prince. And their chances of marrying a business mogul, celebrity, major league athlete, or a guy who was born into wealth are slim.

[Lliam]

There nothing wrong with aiming high. It shows ambition and healthy self esteem. But some people make themselves miserable whining about their inability to get a partner who is out of their league. They focus on externals like looks and wealth at the exclusion of more important human qualities.

People with wholesome values and modest lifestyles are often happier than those who are driven to achieve wealth and status.

People who want multiple estates, expensive cars, yachts, private planes, expensive planes, jewels, expensive clothes and high status are often rotten on the inside.

I’d rather play sports (life) for fun and have a happy life rather than shooting for fame and fortune. I don’t care about the opinions of critics. It’s not a competition.

[EmyyWolf]

I don’t think High Value Males Exist.

The fat and ugly ones , the so called “nice guys”. Are unbelievably UNATTRACTIVE.

The hot Brad Pitts , Chads, the Hotties. Are wanted by all the “H03S” and usually have hella STDs, and even have children most of the time. So that’s also a NO-GO!

Then you have the SuperRich guys who either buy women with their riches and buy sex. Or they are Rich and Hot and have it all and don’t need nobody.

there's no winning.
Women on the other hand can get majority of men no matter how ugly or fat they are.

[ohshee]

No I bust up laughing avesta clapping wouldn't guys tell me that there are an alpha male I cannot stop laughing when they say that for me I'm just who I am I can tell you all the great things about me and I can tell you all the bad things about me and they both counterbalance each other I would never tell anybody that I was a high-value male never ever you would find out if something drastic happen are natural disaster or something where it was an emergency of some sort or even playing baseball Sports building something I am who I am and I don't want to be anybody else but high value never

[SimpleGuy95]

Yes because so guys are working harder to prepare for dating or are working harder to reach their dreams than other guys.
Some guys know what they want and they don´t waste their time and life on stuff that seems interesting at first but has no benefit for their lifes.
That doesn´t mean that other people don´t have value because everybody has value in themselves but there are people that have a higher value for something specific like for a relationship or an advanced position in a company.
So I think the whole idea depends on a certain incedent they don´t have high value in general plus it´s nothing that one could say himself.
It´s an attribute others give you.

[SimpleGuy95]

No I don't believe in leagues because there are no commonly known attributes what a league consists of.
I consider that to subjective.

[itsalyssaagain]

I definitely believe in the concept of a high value male!!!

When you date around and meet new people, there are men who will respect your values, be clear on what they want out of this relationship and treat you with respect. That is a high value male.

There are also men who will never say what they want out of you and stumble when you ask them; they will not respect your boundaries and their actions will not match their words. They are men with no value.

The secret to a healthy relationship is filtering out the rubbish men and dating men with high value. It goes beyond just money and looks. It's the way they carry themselves.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Tinder/ok cupid studies both support it. Women view 80% of males as being physically unattractive. Many guys in the 80% have to compensate with status and money (hence why 69% of men still pay for meals with women to get them to continue dating them).

So yes. There are high value men. Some of these men are valued for their physical looks and don't need to compensate on wealth/status.

See for example, Jeremy meeks who was a common criminal when he became media famous and yet had tons of women throwing themselves at him for sex/relationships.

Other men need to bump up their status/money to very high levels (top 20% of males) to be considered high value.

Also whether your value of being high value often depends on geographic location. A man who is 6'2" and fairly good shape in America may not stand out as much in say Germany where the men are 5'10".

[zyxacb]

A popular vs. high quality anything are 2 different things - broccoli is high value, but far less popular than heroin, which isn't high in quality (i. e. provides meaningful benefit to one's life) - people often choose not what's high quality, but most popular (usually emotionally stimulating) - if you're concerned, think of TokTok - far from the most useful use of time, but far less people will be watching lectures online to educate themselves.

I believe in the concept, but don't care, as much of society now turns out obese, addicted to (controlled by) food & technology... I don't envy the misery that I know few but myself who can be content to sit by water for 3 hours with my own thoughts... to me that's a high value male (confident, happy, etc.) - not one who measures value in external gratification.

[EllaNella]

I don't know man, i'd guess there are more people eating brokkoli than consuming heroin

[zyxacb]

Nobody is selling & sacrificing everything they own, lying, cheating to get constant access to broccoli to improve their health, but, when it comes to something that destroys them in every way, but gives them an chemical/emotional high, they're literally ADDICTED (obsessed) with it... what's most worshiped isn't value as quality, only value in ability to satisfy an urge for a cheap (in the fulfillment sense) emotional rush.

[zyxacb]

Sorry if I didn't communicate my point clearly enough to be understood in my original answer.

[EllaNella]

Brokkoli also isn't capable of giving anyone that high. i think the point you made was good i just found that comparison extremely funny

[TheUniqueOne96]

I think high value is up for interpretation, like what's high value to one, isn't always going to be to another.

Personally, I do believe it exists in dating, in the sense that it's to do with desirability, like if you're a guy that most women want to be with, then that makes you high value in the dating sense.

[Subarugirl]

labeling someone as "high value" is just way of dehumanizing and objectifying people. Some people add value to your life others don't, but everyone has the same inherent value. To argue otherwise is to argue that some people are less than human, which is the same argument that was made for slavery and the holocaust.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Do I want a highvalue man, if I prefere a tall nice virgin or man with low bodycount who is not a sex worker? I dont understand my obsession with tall and virgin men. I am very jealous of people who dont care about looks. Maybe it is because all my male cousins are tall or majority of men in my surroundings are tall? I swear i dont understand and I really hate my shallowness

[front2back]

It's only a foreign "concept" these days due to embracing mediocrity, laziness, and easy sex.

Men have always worked towards bettering themselves and the world around them, scolding those who didn't contribute. Now it's the opposite and the guy trying to read more books for knowledge or being driven seems like a cult member.

[Creampiekarl420]

People who think there is no such are losers who say the prize isn’t all that great because they couldn’t grasp it “yea you got the gold medal but that doesn’t make you the best” it literally fucking does we all are doing the same thing but I have much better results that makes me high value

[Creampiekarl420]

@SweedyPie UPDATE: TRUTH TIME! “All people are not created equally there are winners and losers.” Yes leagues exist

[DWornock]

Just as their are differences in the value of diamonds, horses, and art, obviously there are wide range of differences and abilities and therefore value of men. Girls and women value men that are tall, good looking, smart, and very athletic over men that deformed, short, retarded, blind and crippled. I find it hard to imagine that any intelligent person would claim otherwise.

[Uptowngirl88]

You don't know what a high value man is so why even discuss this topic. You literally said in your update that there is nothing positive about a high value man which is 100% incorrect. Stick to what you know

[SweedyPie]

Hahahahahahahaha

[SweedyPie]

Here, you can read the full thing here. Due to the word count I was unable to finish. Feast your eyes, an amazing phenomenon, someone who disagrees with your point of view... oH mYyyyyyY lol!! The Myth of High Value Males, Leagues and Alphas... Debunked ↗

[Uptowngirl88]

I know what a high value man is I date them . Not my fault you end up with shitty men

[Uptowngirl88]

Maybe you're the problem. You attract what you are.

[SweedyPie]

Hahahahahahahahahaha. You really do attract wht YOU are. You don't know me at all and yet here you are giving yourself a wedgie because someone doesn't agree with your brainwashed mentality. May time bring you wisdom.

[RationalMale]

Yes. Simple example:

Low value male: has a cruddy minimum wage job, high school diploma, no savings, shitty car, few social skills or future prospects.

High value male: has a good job, promising career path, educated, financially smart, good future prospects.

[Lookingforthetruth]

correction.

Low value male: Guy under 6'0" with a middle class salary, ok social skills, one good car and house, as well as, any man that falls below this marker.

[Anonymous]

A lot of people interpret it differently. But the concept comes from dating statistics among the wealthy elite in large cities. A “high value man” would not necessarily be the right man for people out of that environment. Since it typically refers to wealth and power and those men are usually not monogamous.