Do extremely hot girls get rejected romantically?

[Anonymous]

I'm just wondering. I'm talking about the supermodel-looking girls or like beauty pageant queens. DO you think they ever get rejected romantically? I am pretty but not that stunning and I'm just wondering what it's like for them in dating. Do they ever get rejected?

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Everyone, I'm talking about supermodels, here. Would you turn Adriana lima or Candace swanepoel down?

[MrOracle]

Yes, all the time.

Keep in mind that these women are NOT - EVER - going after average or even above-average guys - they're exclusively pursuing top 5% guys (and I'm being generous - it's probably more like top 2% or less). These guys are going to be handsome, confident, successful, and usually in the top 10% of earners minimum. This class of men is the most desired on the planet, and they have TONS of women pursuing them at all times.

Are the women in question beautiful? Absolutely - but they are not the only beautiful women around. They are also career women, who are constantly traveling, and who themselves earn a lot of money. Further, they're celebrities. This combination of traits TENDS to make women bossy, entitled, demanding, and insecure. Also, these women don't want to be moms, because that would interfere with their careers. Those ultra-high-SMV men can get a woman who is just as beautiful, but who isn't focused on her career, WANTS to be a mom, and is happy to get on his program (he's almost certainly going to have to work a lot to maintain his own value). And these women are going to be, on average, much less jaded and much less insecure, not having to have battled through their own hyper-competitive industry.

There's a good reason that many (not all, certainly, but many) of these women are single. Women always want to date UP, but if she's already incredibly successful, the men above her are SO desirable and so FEW that the competition is absolutely insane, and most of those women just aren't going to be able to compete in the areas that men find important for relationships.

[shaysh87]

[And these women are going to be, on average, much less jaded and much less insecure, not having to have battled through their own hyper-competitive industry.]

Women make the decision to work a career because she knows she would be happier doing that instead of being a stay home mom. Why would a woman sign up for something that makes her miserable? We are not miserable. Our careers are purely our choices. Our careers give us control over our own lives. If you're a shitty husband, we can afford to leave you whenever we want. We don't need your money.

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87 Hey, feel free. Do what you want to do. But know that your decision to do so is going to have consequences, and one of those consequences is that you're going to be a LOT less attractive *as a relationship partner* to most men, to the point where you might not be able to find a committed relationship partner. If you don't care about that, then you go girl. Just don't complain about MEN later if you change your mind.

[shaysh87]

Actually, most modern young men prefer professional women over uneducated women in life. Modern young men see an uneducated woman as a liability rather than an asset to him. Supporting a family is expensive, especially if you plan to have multiple children. Supporting a stay home wife has the same cost as supporting 2 extra kids. Even six figures does not buy what it used to buy due to inflation and lack of wage growth.

Modern men also respect women who have an education, can be independent, have accomplished certain goals in life. They see uneducated women who have accomplished nothing in life as losers.
These men that I am referring to primarily to, are young , professional men who live in large cities. I'm not referring to the young men who live in the country side or rural south or the mid west.

Just because you prefer a housewife, it does not mean the vast majority of young men prefer housewives. Times have changed. Tastes have changed. The world has changed. You just haven't been keeping up with the times.

We, young women, enjoy having the ability to be independent. There are MANY PERKS to a woman having a career, a job, and education. When a woman does not need a man to feed her, she has control over her own life. If her husband gets abusive, she has the option to leave him. Many housewives do not have the option to leave their shitty husbands once their marriage gets rocky. And many husbands cheat on their housewives simply because he knows that she can never leave him since she has no means to survive on her own.

This is why women find it so attractive to have a career.

You seem to have this attitude where you're always talking about what men want. You never ever consider about what a woman wants. Its not always about what you want. If you do not fit a woman's requirements, she will not want you. And you won't end up with a woman.

[shaysh87]

I have went out on dates with MANY professional young men under the age of 35 over the past 6 years. I can say that 90% of them prefer a college educated woman with a decent job. Professional young men respect a woman who has her life together and isn't a loser or a leech. They want a woman who has proven that she is capable, smart and isn't lazy.

There was one man who was rich and made a lot of money, who called a woman without a job or savings , "a liability" or "someone with nothing to bring to the table".

The only men who worship housewives are those who are raised in the rural south or the Midwest. Otherwise, if you go to any bustling modern city, vast majority of professional men will prefer a college educated woman over a high school dropout.

This is just the reality.

[shaysh87]

[ But know that your decision to do so is going to have consequences, and one of those consequences is that you're going to be a LOT less attractive *as a relationship partner* to most men, to the point where you might not be able to find a committed relationship partner. I]

I can tell you're a hermit because you obviously have no idea what goes on in the real world. Just to inform you: Most mothers work jobs to support their families. Most moms are not stay home moms.

so there you go...

[MrOracle]

I do so enjoy when people project on to other people that they don't know. It's just SO fun.

You are talking about the women those men DATE - you didn't mention anything about who they MARRIED. There's a difference. But you are correct that many modern, younger men, particularly educated, urban men today date career women, but that's because those are the women in their social circles and they often don't know any better.

There's a reason that marriage rates have fallen to historic lows.

[shaysh87]

I just love your IGNORANCE.

You just love projecting your own misogynist ideologies onto others. Does it make you feel better about your own situation?

I have plenty of dating experience. I know for a fact that college educated professional men prefer dating and marrying college educated women.

Go out and see the world, there are barely any more housewives anymore. Vast majority of wives are working moms. The only reason why you don't know this is because you're a hermit with no social life.

Ignorance is when a man who has never seen anything claims to know everything.

[shaysh87]

hey ignorant ass,

do you realize vast majority of families cannot survive on 1 income?

no you wouldn't because you still think its 1989.

[MrOracle]

Look, the men I was clearly discussing have NO PROBLEM AT ALL supporting a family - LAVISHLY - with one income. And, remember, we were discussing supermodels and top 5% men here.

Still, most men with a middle-class income certainly COULD provide for a family with a single income. Not all (which is something of a problem, but that's a different discussion), but most. But even if there is a second income, it doesn't necessarily have to be a full-time, career-type job. If you add in the costs of commute, work clothes, dining out, and child care, even a well-paying job often can't compete with the income of a "lesser" job much closer to home, even with a reduced schedule. Which is why many married women with kids end up with exactly that arrangement - if you run the numbers, you can see why this works. Many woman also run home-based businesses that allow them flexible hours, which is another excellent solution.

The idea that a corporate career job is the only solution is laughable.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

sure, lets take a look at all the famous rich men and famous high power politicians.

Kevin o'leary, barack obama, biden, ronald regan, high powered men in congress / house of representatives, robert herjavec, bill gates, jeff bezos, kevin hart, mark cuban,

how many of them have supermodel wives? Vast majority of them do not.

The truth behind marriages of rich men and beautiful women is just prostitution. there's no true love between them. If he stopped paying her , she wouldn't be married to him. Once she hits 40, he will be cheaing on her with a much younger woman. Nobody envies these types of relationships or marraiges. Just people with very shitty, superficial personalities pretending to call it love. When its really just prostitution.

I am worth six figures. I'm not interested in advertising myself as a walking dollar sign. The last thing I would want to ever do is to advertise that I am worth six figures. Because I would never want to be in a relationship where my partner will dump me after I lose my wealth. If you're interseted in these types of relationships, then that means you're just a shitty person with understanding of the concept of love.

By the way, you can stop dreaming. Because vast majority of men are not rich and do not anything close to the type of wealth that you are referring to. Even 100k a year cannot buy what it used to buy.

[shaysh87]

[Still, most men with a middle-class income certainly COULD provide for a family with a single income. Not all (which is something of a problem, but that's a different discussion), but most. But even if there is a second income, it doesn't necessarily have to be a full-time, career-type job. If you add in the costs of commute, work clothes, dining out, and child care, even a well-paying job often can't compete with the income of a "lesser" job much closer to home, even with a reduced schedule. Which is why many married women with kids end up with exactly that arrangement - if you run the numbers, you can see why this works. Many woman also run home-based businesses that allow them flexible hours, which is another excellent solution.]

Reality is, vast majority of men do not even make 100k a year. During the covid pandemic, families who lost their jobs , had absolutely no savings and couldn't even afford an additional 500 dollar bill. Vast majority of these familes have 2 working parents.

how can you say this a sign that American families are well off?

are you saying we should worsen their financial situation by forcing all wives to become stay home wives?

college costs have doubled over the past 20 years. Food costs have risen sharply. Costs to raise children has increased. Inflation has substantially outpaced wage growth.

and now you're saying families would have it easier if they were to miss out on more money?

do you realize what the consequences would be?

[shaysh87]

telling your kid that mom and dad wouldn't be able to pay for his college so he can forget a higher education.
or he cannot have a new computer after his old computer stops working.
or you can't buy him the foods he wants because its too expensive.
or you can't afford to buy feed him meat because its too expensive.
or you can't afford to buy him a new jacket after he outgrew his old jacket because the family is on budget. he will spend winters wearing a coat that cannot zip up since its too small.
or you can't afford to buy your kid a smartphone because its too expensive.
Or telling your kid to walk 8 miles because your family cannot afford to have a car.
Or telling your kid that you cannot pay for his driving lessons because you can't afford it.
Or forcing a kid to give up studying time to work a job after school just to be able to pay bills.
Or to go on field trips with classmates and be the only one sitting at the restaurant with nothing to eat because you didn't bring enough money.

These are all things that I personally have suffered from as a poor kid growing up in a very poor family. And its not something that I would wish upon anyone else.

[Zenit93]

I prefer a stay at home wife/mom. People only have so much will power in the day. I rather have a wife that can cater toward the children, can cook, clean, and essentially bringing that feminine/nurturing energy to make home... home. Working women are like working men, they’re fatigued at the end of the day. They’re more likely to hire others to take on these roles, and more likely to reject sex and meeting our needs. I prefer to provide. Men and women are different, and a team works best when each teammate is placed where their strengths are best suited. Women are verbally much more nurturing and organized around the home. Men are attracted to these traits as men are attracted to femininity.

Women are more than entitled to do what they like. If they want to work, then they can work. If men have preferences, then they can have them. I’d personally be extremely turned off on a woman who works so that if I don’t perform well as a husband during a season of my life, she can leave my ass. A career shouldn’t be pursued as an escape route and if my wife was using it as that, I’d surely be uncomfortable.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 Men also don’t value women in the same way women value men. Most men don’t care about a woman’s income. We don’t look at them as losers if they have a low income. That’s just not how we operate. None of my friends value woman by their income or career choice. I’m also educated. It’s not just rural farm boys who think this way.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 “And many husbands cheat on their housewives simply because he knows that she can never leave him since she has no means to survive on her own. “

Instead of placing such an emphasis on protecting yourself from this, why not let your guard down in the companionship of marrying a man who doesn’t possess such rotten values? Any man who acts like this is pretty shitty in my eyes. If you place an emphasis on simply protecting yourself, are you really placing an emphasis on getting closer or serving your husbands needs?

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 I also hope you don’t see my response as a personal attack on you, but rather an input on the discussion. I’m a working professional. I have a Bachelors in Mechanical Engineering, and a Masters in Economics. I work in finance. When I read that you’re speaking on behalf of educated men, I had to chime in. I commend you for making something of yourself after experiencing poverty throughout your youth. I too had a similar experience. I idolized money for far too long because of this. I can see you’re passionate about having a career because you broke that cycle when all odds were against you. Again, that’s very respectable. Maybe your parents had a divorce and your dad took advantage of your mother as well? That’s just dubious speculation of course. I still have my preference for the reasons I listed, but think there are plenty of good
men who would enjoy that dynamic that you bring to a marriage. Ambition and drive is surely attractive in women and men.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

what makes you think that just because you prefer a housewife, then that means most men prefer housewives? I work with a lot of professional men. I studied in college with guys who became professional men. I ONLY DATE PROFESSIONAL MEN. I can say with confidence that college educated men tend to marry college educated women. I have known a software developer who rejected a beautiful girl , just because she was a nanny. He insisted that he wanted a woman on his own level. I have another guy friend who called a woman with no job, no education, no savings to be somebody with nothing to contribute.

[Men also don’t value women in the same way women value men. Most men don’t care about a woman’s income. We don’t look at them as losers if they have a low income. ... I’m also educated. It’s not just rural farm boys who think this way.]

Actually most men will see a woman as a loser if she is 30 years old, has no job, still lives with her parents. I have never ever seen a man who applauded a woman for being unemployed. Maybe its only guys on this misogynist website who enjoy saying its good thing for a woman to be unemployed. But in the real world, I've never seen it.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

In fact, vast majority of families can't even afford housewives anymore. Cost of living , cost of education, has gone up so drastically over the years. With things becoming so expensive, very few men can afford housewives. Even 100k cannot buy what it used to buy. Just because you want a housewife, it does not mean that you can afford a housewife.

And when you insist on a housewife while you clearly know you cannot afford one, it will only come at the expense of your children's college education and your kid's quality of life. Having a housewife is the equivalent of supporting 2 extra kids. Meanwhile you have to save for retirement, save for your children's college tuitions (extremely expensive if you have more than 1 child), property taxes, mortgage, car insurance/ repairs/ gas, buying new computer , smart phones for your kids every few years, cost of clothing / food has gone up.

Eventually the stress of raising kids will reach you and you will see your wife more as an additional liability rather than an asset.

At my job, I know of a man who makes minimum wage, He has a housewife. Trust me, he's not a happy person mainly due to financial stress.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[Instead of placing such an emphasis on protecting yourself from this, why not let your guard down in the companionship of marrying a man who doesn’t possess such rotten values? Any man who acts like this is pretty shitty in my eyes. If you place an emphasis on simply protecting yourself, are you really placing an emphasis on getting closer or serving your husbands needs?]

have you ever heard of the saying " you don't know who you are married to , until you marry them"? People will put forward their best behavior prior to marriage. Their true character shows only many years after you marry them. Its actually extremely common for housewives to get cheated on. I have seen plenty of married guys in their 40s with 4 kids , try to cheat on their wives with me. I can say that vast majority of these guys are married to housewives.

why can't a woman have the right to have control over her own life? why is it that everything she does needs to be for the benefit for the man? We still live in a patriarchal society where its always men preaching about what men want. Men will not budge for women. But women are supposed to design their lives to a man's liking.

Not everything is about what you want. A woman deserves to live her life doing what she wants, instead of you constantly telling her what to do.

One of the biggest signs of a bad future husband is when a man thinks he has right to control his wife's life. Someone who expects everything to be according to his liking. Thankfully I have never ever dated such a guy but its one of the biggest red flags that I look for.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

College Graduates Marry Other College Graduates Most of the Time

The first thing you notice is the BA/non-BA gap. Of this population, 71 percent of college graduates married another college graduate.

www.theatlantic.com/.../

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 I’m not stating that you can’t do whatever you want. My friends and I prefer housewives is all I’m saying. No I haven’t heard that phrase. You should know damn well who the person is before you marry them. No, most men don’t care about a woman’s income. They really don’t. Why are you so shallow when it comes to dating only professional men? The wealthiest people I know are entrepreneurs who never even graduated.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

College educated people tend to marry other college educated people. there's evidence of that already.

so quit arguing.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

The most educated women are the most likely to be married

Educated Americans have not turned their backs on marriage; the well-documented “marriage gap” is mostly due to a decline in marriage rates among the less educated. As a general rule, the more letters American women have after their names—and therefore the greater their economic independence—the more likely they are to be married.

www.theatlantic.com/.../

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

Among men overall and in each age category, the percentage with bachelor’s degrees married to a spouse with less education declined steadily and dramatically.

ifstudies.org/.../the-gender-gap-in-marriages-between-college-educated-partners

[Zenit93]

“ And when you insist on a housewife while you clearly know you cannot afford one, it will only come at the expense of your children's college education and your kid's quality of life. ”

What makes you think you know my financial status? My W2 income makes up a small portion of what I pull a year. My wife and I own a portfolio of rental properties in central FL and a lot of crypto. We don’t depend on our W2 income.

[shaysh87]

The chance of a marriage ending in divorce was lower for people with more education, with over half of marriages of those who did not complete high school having ended in divorce compared with approximately 30 percent of marriages of college graduates.

www.bls.gov/.../...-and-educational-attainment.pdf

College educated couples have lower rates of divorce due to less financial stress and also because they are more likely to be able to afford marriage counseling.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[
What makes you think you know my financial status? My W2 income makes up a small portion of what I pull a year. My wife and I own a portfolio of rental properties in central FL and a lot of crypto. We don’t depend on our W2 income.]

I think its already very obvious that I'm the one who is right here. I have immense evidence against you

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 Is it possible that most men meet their spouse in college when they’re all young and sociable with no baggage? Maybe they don’t value the income the degree brings but rather what I suggested?

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 Immense evidence against regarding my financial status? What? 😂

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

Because men prefer to marry someone on their own level. do you realize doctors are marrying doctors instead of nurses anymore? nurses are settling for police officers and firefighters?
why would a brilliant man pick a dumb woman over a smart one?

like there are leagues for looks, there are also leagues for intelligence.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

I have immense evidence that college educated women are vastly marrying college educated women.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

there is also evidence that college educated couples, where both husband and wife , are college educated, tend to divorce less.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 Men and women value different traits and abilities when it comes to selecting a partner. To suggest that we value the same things is to render a good portion of biological factors null. Your studies come to the conclusion that people who have a bachelors degree, tend to marry others with a bachelors. The reason being is that most people who enter college of the age to socialize and date. Most people just happen to meet their spouse in college. There's a high likely hood of that happening. Men tend to value beauty much more so over the status of a career. Men ultimately want to seek out a beautiful fertile woman who is there to assist him and his children throughout his mission in life. That's why submissive women are so attractive to men. We don't want anything or anyone to distract us from our innate desire to succeed and conquer. Women that possess attitude, selfishness, and possess masculine traits are unattractive.

If you give a man an attractive career based woman who has a planned escape route and gives him his sloppy seconds after an exhausting day, he'll grow to resent her. If you give a successful man a beautiful woman who dedicates 100% of her time to pleasing and assisting her husband and catering toward the children, he will feel like a king. What guy wants a woman who's too tired for sex or too tired to clean the house. Again, there's only so much will power and time in the day. I choose to be with a woman who can dedicate all of herself to the family.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 You really seem to value other humans self worth off of solely their career. It's really strange that you have such a unhealthy fixation on self worth in correlation to career. Humans are extremely multi-faceted possessing many beautiful traits. A firefighter possess bravery that most accountants would not be able match up to. Most accountants possess precision and numerical skills that most firefighters would not be able to match up to. The accountant posses more value to you because he makes more during tax season? Your moral compass and sense of self sounds all fucked up.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

statistics show that vast majority of people are married to those who are in the same race / culture, similar in age, similar in looks, similar in education, similar in income. So I don't know why you think that its only a woman's looks that matter. People tend to marry those that are similar to them. This is something called "ASSORTIVE MATING". google it.

voxeu.org/.../assortative-mating-and-wealth-inequality-debate

The implication of sorting on own wealth is that wealth inequality at marriage is amplified by the matching process in the marriage market. Individuals appear to sort also on their personal returns to wealth: men who earn higher pre-marriage returns on their wealth are more likely to match with women who also earn higher returns.

www.brookings.edu/.../

If you are married, the chances are you are married to somebody quite like you, especially in terms of social class and education. This tendency has earned the unromantic label “assortative mating” in social science.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

New academic study links rising income inequality to ‘assortative mating’

Here’s another reason the rich are getting richer and the poor are falling farther behind: A new working paper by an international team of economists finds that better educated people are increasingly more likely to marry other better-educated people while those with less formal schooling are more likely to choose a less well-educated partner.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

your perspective, is only your own. you do not represent the vast majority of all men. There are also studies that show vast majority of people tend to marry those that are similar to them on terms of socioeconomic status, education levels, same race, same cultural background, similar age.

Your fantasies or desires about a rich surgeon marrying his maid doesn't seem to hold true in real life. A surgeon would likely marry a female doctor than his own maid.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

Americans love a good Cinderella story… except when it comes to their own marriages. It turns out that if Cinderella had been born in modern-day America, she would be much more likely to marry the butler than she would the prince. A recent NBER paper finds that Americans increasingly practice “positive assortative mating” when picking their spouse. That is to say, “like marries like:” people marry those with similar incomes and educational backgrounds:

www.brookings.edu/.../

5)
More assortative mating. Take a look below at the same chart breaking down marriage by each partner's education, but updated for 2005. The first thing you'll notice is how much more likely high school dropouts are to marry each other than by chance. But look again. Every group is disproportionately more likely to marry someone like themselves than any other.

www.theatlantic.com/.../

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

Take a look at all our first ladies:

Jill Biden, has a Phd in teaching. Laura Bush, an author of multiple books. Michelle Obama, a high former high profile lawyer who served as a mentor to Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton, former high profile lawyer and politician.

Are powerful politicians marrying their maids? Its very easy for rich high powered men to have access to maids. There is always a maid in their house. why don't you see them marrying a maid?
All of these wives of powerful politicians are highly educated and have a high socioeconomic status in society.

The more educated, high earning and the powerful the man, the more he is going to desire a woman of similar education and intelligence. This is something called "assortive mating".

Take a look at the wives of the vast majority of politicians in house of representatives or congress. 95% of them are college educated women.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[You really seem to value other humans self worth off of solely their career. It's really strange that you have such a unhealthy fixation on self worth in correlation to career. Humans are extremely multi-faceted possessing many beautiful traits. A firefighter possess bravery that most accountants would not be able match up to. Most accountants possess precision and numerical skills that most firefighters would not be able to match up to. The accountant posses more value to you because he makes more during tax season? Your moral compass and sense of self sounds all fucked up.]

you don't seem to understand that statistics and research shows that people tend ot marry those who are similar to themselves in terms of socioeconomic status, educational attainment, cultural background. Its not about what I obsess over. ITS ABOUT WHAT THE DATA SHOWS.

And from taking a look at what the data shows, rich powerful men are not marrying their own maids.
Your preferences are only your own.

so go fuck off.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 This is becoming exhausting. You're not really acknowledging the logic in how I'm looking at what you're presenting to me. You're also overwhelming me with studies from known institutions that carry a bias like the Atlantic. Do you really expect me to consume hundreds of pages of literature and retort with 100s of other pages of literature that opposes yours? The study in a debate acts as a supplement to your already preconceived thoughts. It doesn't work well when you say you're wrong because of this study, and that's it.

[Zenit93]

You're extremely emotional volatile. Saying fuck off isn't a rational response to opposition when the other person is more than respectful. You have issues.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

There is immense data that already shows people tend to marry their own kind.

so its time to cut the ignorance or your fantasies of poor cinderella marrying a rich prince. it simply doesn't happen in real life.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[You're extremely emotional volatile. Saying fuck off isn't a rational response to opposition when the other person is more than respectful. You have issues.]

there is nobody faker and more biased than someone who turns his back on research and data. but to only rant about his own biases.

[shaysh87]

you're complaining that I am not being respectful.

well what about you? you decided to ignore all the facts that I have presented.
you're not being very respectful either.

Certain things you cannot just ignore because it makes feel better about your own beliefs.

Respect the findings of the data.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 You're emotionally charged on this topic to an irrational extent. I enjoy an intellectual conversation, but when you have to utilize caps and insult your opponents is when I realize the person is emotionally inept and cannot handle the discussion. I work with statisticians, assign data sets, and do research for living. The issue here isn't me. You say it's not my moral compass, but rather the data. How do I believe you're looking at this from a logical lens when you're subscribing to the subject matter so emotionally? You're looking at this emotionally because you likely base your entire self worth into your career and academic credentials. When I oppose the value of that, I oppose the value of you as a person. That's why you're reacting the way you are.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 I replied to the facts with my logic toward them. That was never acknowledged. You bombarded me with 100s of more pages of literature saying this link is why you're wrong.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

do you see any of our recent presidents marrying their own maids?
you're saying that people of a similar educational background and socioeconomic status tend to marry each other because they hangout with each other more.

but aren't there are lot of maids in the white house? don't politicians hire maids all the time to clean their homes?

why don't you see any politician in congress married to a maid?

I work at a hospital. There are wayy more doctors who end up marrying other doctors than doctors marrying nurses. Nurses tend to marry firefighters or police officers.

you're saying that a man doesn't care about a woman's education or socioeconomic background. But I have full confidence that I would have the ability to marry a man who is similarly college educated as I am.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 Also, while the numbers might be factually accurate given the precision of a population scale, someone's interpretation of those numbers are not accurate. The atlantics interpretation of collective data is useless to me.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

and you said that college educated people are more likely to marry other college educated people because they tend to meet in college together. Not everyone meets their spouses in college. There are a lot of people who didn't meet their spouses in college.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[Also, while the numbers might be factually accurate given the precision of a population scale, someone's interpretation of those numbers are not accurate. The atlantics interpretation of collective data is useless to me.]

The bigger the population sample, the more accurate the information is. The smaller the population sample, the higher the inaccuracies.

And you have absolutely no proof or evidence that the interpretation of the statics is inaccurate.

Multiple data sources , especially a few from very legitimate, well known research organizations.

But I know that the one who is inaccurate is you. Because all you have done was to insist your own personal biases onto others and make wild , unsupported claims that research and data from very legitimate organizations are wrong.

I would believe in facts from a research organization over some random dude ranting about his own biases online.

You're saying that men don't care about a woman's education. But sweetie, I have FULL CONFIDENCE that I can eventually marry a college educated man on a similar educational attainment as my own. Just as the data shows.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 The atlantic is a a credible research team with no biases? Are you actually calling me sweetie?

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 I've literally never met someone who's self assured, confident, and happy in life that acts like this.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[The atlantic is a a credible research team with no biases? Are you actually calling me sweetie?]

you're seem really desperate to bring me down.

take a look at pew research. they say the same thing. Pew research is as accurate as it can get.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[ I've literally never met someone who's self assured, confident, and happy in life that acts like this.]

says the man who has presented absolutely no legitimate data or research. but his only weapon is his own dirty biased mouth and verbal attacks on bringing other people down who took the time to bring up valid sources and data.

[shaysh87]

your disrespect towards me can't get any clearer at this point. your pathetic attempts at invalidating me are soo obvious.

[shaysh87]

@ze

this sounds like something more than just factual debate to you. This sounds like something that hurts you personally and and emotionally.

does it offend you that the vast majority of college educated men are marrying other college educated women?

you seem to be in such desperation to bring me down. I see your shady cheap attempts.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh8 You've literally suggested that I read 100s of pages of literature. If I don't read all of this. I lose the debate. I can do the same thing.

nypost.com/.../
www.nytimes.com/.../...-than-equality-at-home.html
sites.utexas.edu/.../
www.oneindia.com/.../...band-study-1219907519.html
qz.com/.../

You see how baseless this strategy is?

[Zenit93]

www.forbes.com/.../...ll-being-marriage_slide.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22711739/

[Zenit93]

www.news.com.au/.../0d8331d8cca4c7bfa510a6b0009471c1

[Zenit93]

If you don't read all of the studies that are referenced in my hypothesis, then you lose the debate.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

I have looked through all your links and none shows any data that college educated men are refusing to marry women similar to their own level of education attainment.

so therefore, it proves none of your links are valid evidence.

None shows any statistics or data.

Just because men desire certain traits in a life, it does not mean that he can get such a woman.

For example, most men want a submissive woman. But the reality is, most women are submissive only to a certain extent. Most women nowadays are not actually submissive. We have our tempers, we insist on what we want to do in life, we rebel , get into fights with our husbands, we divorce.

You may want a housewife, but reality is, vast majority of wives hold jobs nowadays.

What makes you think that just because you can design your own wife?

this is not build a bear workshop, hunny.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 It says that millennial men prefer a housewife. Millennials are the most educated generation according this this.

edtimes.in/.../

[Zenit93]

Are you rejecting factual data?

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

My sources are from pew research. Your source is from a random news paper article online.
My source is wayy more accurate than yours.

[Zenit93]

Hmm. From Pew Research. It's almost as if there's different ways of observing data. It seems as if this fact displays that there's a higher value placed on men earning rather than women.

[Zenit93]

Oh sweety. Don't deny facts.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[Hmm. From Pew Research. It's almost as if there's different ways of observing data. It seems as if this fact displays that there's a higher value placed on men earning rather than women.]

There has always been more of an expectation of men to financially provide for their families. But the fact is men find more educated women to be more attractive. And highly educated women do not tend to end up being housewives. The reason is because a highly educated woman has a lot of career and earning prospects. Yet, college educated men still end up marrying them. This is why pew research shows that vast majority of college educated men end up marrying other college educated women.

But another fact is, that vast majority of men cannot afford housewives.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87

You see how baseless it is to sit her and overwhelm someone with a myriad of studies that validate your own already preconceived notions?

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 I agree that most men are unable to provide for an entire family. That doesn't eliminate their desire to do so though.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

you can't disprove the fact that vast majority of college educated men are marrying college educated women. so a woman's education DOES MATTER, as your chart indicates.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

[I agree that most men are unable to provide for an entire family. That doesn't eliminate their desire to do so though.]

Most men nowadays want a woman with a good education and career. This is the reason why pew research data indicates college educated men are marrying college educated women.
this is something that you can't disprove.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 A man who cannot provide might need to depend on a woman to bring income in. In that sense, he might value a woman who has a high income. That same man likely still desires a housewife though. He just can't afford it.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

A man wants a woman who is on his own educational level and intelligence level. As your chart indicates, men value intelligence / education in a woman.

This is why vast majority college educated men end up marrying college educated women.
A woman with a decent career signifies that she is well educated, capable and intelligent.

A college educated man would take a woman with a decent career / earnings over some bimbo with no career and no education any day.

A woman with a career / education is not a turn off to men, as you might believe.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

I, myself, have dated many young modern professional men who insisted on marrying a college educated woman with a decent career. But they did not care if their wives became housewives after marriage. Its all her choice.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

A college educated man who prefers to marry a high school graduate or drop out, works minimum wage job is much less common than one preferring to marry a college educated woman with a good job.

Just like the data shows.

[Zenit93]

@shaysh87 Okay. Bitcoin is at 20k and I have to get to work and put in some limit orders and call options. I'm out. It's been real.

[shaysh87]

@Zenit93

you still haven't been able to disprove that college educated men prefer other college educated women with careers.

like i said, a woman's education and career DOES MATTER.

[Asker]

@shaysh87 Bruv.. How long has this debate been going on for lol

[Anonymous]

LOL! You're always going to hear stories about extremely hot girls getting romantically rejected and I'm sure it DOES happen. But the reality is is much, MUCH rarer than it is for less attractive girls. The reality of being an extremely hot girl is that you have a LOT of demand to date you. So mostly these girls never find themselves without male (or female for that matter!) companionship any longer than they want to.

I was remarking to a friend of mine once that it's literally easier for a really hot girl to get sex than it is for one of us to get a free glass of water at a bar. That's a totally different situation to be in!

[EmyyWolf]

They don’t get rejected at all.
If one of them asked any guy out, the guy would be more than happy to accept and F—K her.

Its natural selection.
Men are less inclined to go out or accept AN OBESE WOMAN or woman with DEFECT.

And I’ve asked men this question here before. WOULD YOU REJECT AN OBESE 21 YEAR OLD VIRGIN WOMAN?
And they all said YES!
Guys, Would you reject a 21-year old virgin, if she looked like this?

I think the women you mentioned. THE BADDIES, THE BOMBSHELLS, the ones that aren’t “just pretty”.
They get F—KED for sure!
They just don’t get married.
They end up as single moms most of the time.
Men will BANG them just not MOM them and MARRY them.
Simple.
Also those type women are so privileged that they choose a SIMP momma’s boy to care for them. And usually they cheat on the SIMP with the ALPHA HOT guy.

I've seen it happen over and over and over and over and over and over.
Throughtout my life.
Not only that, but the trickiest ones will birth the ALPHAS sons and make the SIMP care for them, thinking that it’s his offspring when it’s not.

And again I seen it happen again and again and again and again.
A lot of those women end up getting shanked stabbed and killed too. By the SIMP.
So now you know.
WOMEN THAT LOOK LIKE THIS..

DO NOT GET REJECTED… EVER..

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Not what some girls here are saying.

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Well I speak FACTS. I don’t sugarcoat nothing.
And I cannot stand sensitive snowflakes.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

And now who is saying the facts? You? Or the other girls here, some of which are saying they are indeed super hot and get rejected often.

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
The. They’re lying, cause I’m not a model and don’t get rejected.

Most women think they’re 10/10

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

You never got rejected ever? How often do you initiate things?

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Never, I’m not interested by most men.
But if I found BRAD PITT, he’d usually be interested in me back

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

That is a lot of confidence. But from these words "he’d usually be interested in me back", you are simply used that the guy you want is also interested in you. But you don't approach do you?

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
No I don’t approach, cause if I’m into him I become nervous and awkward.
But I’ve caught the guy being nervous too and being all quiet only when I’m there. That’s how I know.
I guess he approached when he chose to buy me food and gift me random thing.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

There it is.
I am not trying to put you down or anything. Even if you did approached over the course of your life you might have never be rejected. Who knows?
But until you do approach, until you make the first move, you have never actually even created the scenario to be rejected.

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
I guess..
But also I wouldn’t ask out someone I BARELY know. A complete stranger.
I would never do that. I like my personal space and safety too much.

I need to know someone for a good WHILEE before I dare do something like that.

Those women that claim to be 10/10 supermodels probably are asking out complete and utter strangers from the side of the road.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Don't know. I would have to ask them. But I guess everyone will have a different experience.

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Yup no.
I wouldn’t approach/ invite / confess
Feelings to someone I know for less than 6 months. And that’s at the very least.

When BRAD PITT CHAD started buying me things, it had already been like a year of me working with him

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Lucky for you he began to liked you back over that time.

[EmyyWolf]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Yeah but sadly I didn’t like that flirted with everyone too.
Around that time I had begun a sexual relationship with his black friend, because his black friend had been nice and respectful to me from the jump.
I never gave BRAD PITT CHAD a chance. Specially because how much of a bully he was to others and thought little of women.

[DuchessC]

I don't know about rejected, but I don't think they're the ones doing the asking, so... I think if they asked they most likely would not get turned down, but they strike me as the type who feel that men are supposed to do the asking. And I think they don't get asked very often because most men probably see them as stuck-up and only wanting a man on "their level" of hot and sexy, so just don't bother trying. Which is sad, because it's not always the case. I have a friend who is a model - well was, she used it to pay for college - and is single and has been for the last 5 years because men don't ask her out and because she's "traditional" she won't ask them. I think its bs though. 😂 I think she's just scared of being rejected.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

It should be the men scared of rejection. Now this is completely twisted. And that too from both the ends.

[ManOnFire]

Rejected for sex? No. Relationships? Yes. In the sense that super attractive women are able to keep men a lot less than other women. It's because of their pride, and they are often lacking on the inside. Plus for a lot of guys, once they get the beautiful girl or were able to fuck her, they're done and want something else.

[Marianna546]

well i am not lacking on the inside i guess i am perfect then... i really am sweet, caring and cool

[ManOnFire]

@Marianna546 But what is the report from others who know you?

[Marianna546]

that i am sweet

[ManOnFire]

@Marianna546 Maybe.

[Wsx2wsx2ws]

1. if the girl is so into herself/ arrogant and not humble, yep I would walk away.
2. There has to be SOMETHING there behind the skin. A solid core of a person.
I have had gorgeous women try to manipulate me and I call them out on it. Pop goes the ego and they are left with nothing to offer.
One example. I was at a car dealer under the vehicle looking at the rusted frame. The receptionist strolls out, solid tempo of heals clicking the pavers. She stops with the hem of her short dress and long legs at an obvious point for me to be stupefied by the view. "So what do you think"
"this is some bad rust under here"
"Its not that bad surely"
I crawled out and stood up looking her directly in her high heel elevated eyes.
"That don't work on me"
She was speechless. I could see her failure left her short circuited. She goofy walked back inside and a sales man came to replace her.

Some women want men to see past their beauty to their heart. My first signal of this is how they dress.

[Dargil]

Yes. They can come off as Karen's and the magic evaporates.

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So from my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

A pretty woman makes her husband look small
And very often causes his downfall
As soon as he marries her then she starts
To do the things that will break his heart

But if you make an ugly woman your wife
You'll be happy for the rest of your life
An ugly woman cooks meals on time
And she'll always give you peace of mind

Don't let your friends say you have no taste
Go ahead and marry anyway
Though her face is ugly, her eyes don't match
Take it from me, she's a better catch

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So from my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Say man!
Hey baby!
I saw your wife the other day!
Yeah?
Yeah, an' she's ug-leeee!
Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!
Yeah, alright!

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So from my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

[DermalPunch]

I hate this song's lyric with a passion. Why isn't this beauty shaming?

[Dargil]

@DermalPunch It was simply Rafael de Leon's informed preference. He knew what he wanted. It does not shame beauty. It elevates an alternative.

[Xoxocutekitty]

Of course.

Some guys will completely write off a conventionally or societally attractive women for various reasons that relate to his sense of self worth.

Low quality men will turn her 'good looks' into some personality defect without giving her the time of day. Some guys will feel insecure being with someone 'out of his league' which feeds into a self fulfilling prophecy, where she can do better than be stuck with someone projecting insecurities.

Some guys will neglect a girl romantically because she is too beautiful. They do not realize how conditional their 'love and sentiments' are. Any deviation from 'perfect' they fly into a tantrum that their barbie woman is no longer 'ideal.'

[shaysh87]

if you live in a city filled with beautiful, accomplished, educated, well mannered, intelligent women such as NYC or California, where men have super high standards, then yes, hot girls do get rejected here.

however, if you go to kansas or Montana or Arizona where all the women are on the lower spectrum of looks, there's not many good-looking ones around. You will feel like you are the only pretty girl on earth over there and no man will ever reject you.

Its all based on supply and demand.

when you are surrounded by pretty girls , fabulous women with amazing careers , interesting personalities, being pretty does not mean much. But if you're a hot girl surrounded by a bunch of unattractive or average janes, then yes, being pretty will get you many things.

[Snsl153]

(ahem) Well, speaking as an official representative of the 'Extremely Hot Girl Collective', I can truthfully say that, "Yes, we are rejected". Why? Well, it really all boils down to the manner in which recent generations of men (primarily millennials and the zoomers) have been emasculated by the radfems, and are now too afraid to even approach us! That, in combination with 'MeToo', political correctness (men are "toxic" apparently), and an apparent inability to actually connect with us on any level due to a profound lack of self-confidence and self-awareness, have made what was already a sad situation a helluva lot worse. :'(
Come on men! Ignore the blue-haired, screaming banshees and pluck up the courage to just say "Hi". We don't bite, promise. Unless that's the sort of thing you're into, but whatev.

[KostasKouvalis]

Holy hell! You ARE? As if you weren't cool enough. Unfortunately though, not all hot girls have your mentality, and a lot of them seem to have high standards. Some of them do bite, at least in some parts of the world. But also, one of my friends told me there was a hot girl in high school that no guys would approach, because they all assumed she had a boyfriend, just because she's hot.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

She is really awesome. This user right here. @snsl153

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

@snsl153
You know, just like all the other people, I felt that gorgeous girls were having really high standards, may be they have, but that is in relationships. And I do not want one! And after reading a blog regarding the downsides of too much of beauty, I just do not consider it at all. You guys are also people. You also deserve to have real friends, and all the other normal things.

So, now, I just start the conversation without stopping in between and thinking anything about the girl's preferences, as I would get to know them when I talk with her. Honestly, I just know when the girl does not want to talk. At this time, I just make an excuse and get away from there.

I do not do the mistake of assuming things regarding a girl. I talk with her, interact with her, and then, I get to know them automatically. Simple.

[Paul09]

Or you can say something, instead of just standing there looking pretty. And looking pretty doesn't go well with a bad personality.

[Snsl153]

@Paul09 I don't have a bad personality though, I have a great personality! :)

[Paul09]

Good. Great. Still you can do some of the Heavey lifting.

[Guccigabbana18]

Yes they do. They rarely if ever get rejected for sex or casual encounters, but they do get rejected just as much as other people for romantic relationships. I have known extremely good looking girls (actual models) whose boyfriends have cheated on them with less pretty girls. So yes, it’s true

[Asker]

Why is that?

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Yes, unfortunately they do get rejected. It is as if the guys think that they will not be worthy of these girls, or they will not be able to handle these girls.

Those who dare approach these girls are most of the times, players. Just for the majority of it.

As a result, I have read online from a model's blog, that they are very lonely even when being surrounded by people. Even when being desired by people. And by not a single one approaching them head on.

This blog said that, she was not invited to any of her family gatherings as the women were afraid their husbands might be taken away from them. 🤦‍♂️

Its as if their beauty is the problem for them, rather than any kind of advantage. As a result, these people learn to live by themselves, behave as the world expects them to. As they literally have no other chance.

[Texaskid1]

Yes.

I once knew a girl in college way back when. She had a crush on me and was actually pretty very cute and had a nice figure. But she had dragon breath that almost knocked my ass to the floor the first time she spoke to me. If a women has bad hygiene that is a deal breaker for me; no can do - I don't care if she is hotter then Megan Fox and Scarlett Johnson, and Sofia Vergara combined.

Also, if she has a crappy personality or is dumb as a rock. These are all legit reasons to reject her.

Also , if she does not make sandwiches - grounds for instant rejection in my book.

[normalice]

Of course. When someone is given something from birth they are automatically disadvantaged in regards to learning how to earn it. Hot girls get basically everything women think that they want and so have never had to learn to appreciate it, let alone reciprocate - they are more preoccupied with the question of if they appreciate it; a luxury no one without it can afford to think about. There are obviously exceptions, but speaking in general..

[Anonymous]

Yes. But sometimes it all depends because in most cases everyone finds different things hot and it also depends on whether know them on a personal level or have some kind of connection when you are asking them out. In most cases people would rather date someone who is average looking or hot enough that they have a connection with verses the drop dead hot person they barely even know or where there's no connection.

[LovingLoverReturned]

Yes.

1) Some guys exclusively like thick girls.

2) Some guys exclusively like short girls, especially if he is not confident about his height.

3) I know a few who think Anglelina Jolie isn't attractive.

4) personality if we're not talking about a fling

5) if she's on a dating app, they will think it'd too good to be true.

6) miscellaneous

[serious]

Yes of course that is possible. Just have a gorgeous look is not enough. Their personality should be equally appealing too otherwise in the long run there will be compatibility issues.

Hence they maybe gorgeous by looks but if their personality is unattractive then yes they can get rejected based on that.

[mermaidcancermoon]

Yes. Appearance is only one piece of the puzzle. Personalities and long term goals have to merge as well.

Same thing with finances and degrees. If you're not dating for personality compatibility and an emotional connection, you're just playing barbie and ken around town... all looks and an empty stale love life.

[Red-Blaze]

Yes 100%
First if all you can be perfect but that only be in there or there eyes there many tastes out there
Seond of all looks are like pickup lines a good one may put you foot in the door and a funny one may keep you for a while but if all you got is a pickup line and really nothing else you be rejected sooner or later

[PaganWarrior]

Does it matter? I mean... I'd be more concerned about myself than those who are "Hot". Men will turn some of them down because half the time they're either full of themselves ( The women ), or they're brain dead. It's not about the looks. Yeah, they'll turn the heads of men, done it myself in my 20s when I was much slimmer, but it's nothing special. You want a man that loves you for you, not the way you look. And vice versa. Love a man for his creativity, his mind, his soul... His looks may captivate you and drive you insane, but.. he could be an utter heartless bastard.

[DermalPunch]

Guys mostly won't try to act uninterested due to their own insecurity. They are often victims of men who just want something to brag about and are victims of serious heartbreak due to deception. They are seen as being bitches but they may often be stalked or hit on aggressively non-stop and have to be rude so they can have some peace. Also, men neg them a lot.

[DermalPunch]

*Won't try or act uninterested

[GreyestClouds]

I'd say guys have a tendency to get more sexual partners than girls on average. So, I would say these hot girls are more likely to get sexual attraction from guys. I can imagine opportunistic guys getting hot girls to compete against other guys. But I would say hot girls are more likely to get taken advantage of for their sex appeal rather than have genuinely romantic relationships. Which is why I'm not surprised hot girls would defend themselves by being "mean". Especially when guys score higher on pedophilia, domestic violence, rape, sociopathy, psychopathy, and owning profitable businesses responsible for sex trafficking. Also, I would not be surprised when hot girls get romantically rejected when guys are too shy or have self-esteem issues.

[GreyestClouds]

There are sapiosexuals who get sexually attracted to intelligence rather than superficial beauty. Also, there are ethosexuals who get sexually attracted to ethical people rather than superficial beauty. These things can make hot girls get romantically rejected.

[DermalPunch]

You get it.

[HawkPerception]

Rejected? Probably not. But if they have a shitty personality in the relationship, then they can be left easily. Most of the super attractive girls in the world have an inflated sense of ego and have tons of men pursuing them at all times, even when in the relationship. They also have the tendency to be less faithful because of all that attention. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but that's generally the case.

[Anonymous]

There was this one girl at school who did go on to be a model. She was tall slim etc but couldn't get the guys she wanted yet there was thos one girl she was kind of short, thick but more shapeless, not fat either, flat ass, chubky thighs, kind of smallish breasts, average pretty on the face, kinda big shoulders, short black hair I mean basically average but she had this great personality and kind of magnetism and all the guys were mad about her trying to get her.