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He has to make max 12$ an hour to not cheat on me? I make 15$ an hour and cheating has never crossed my mind 😭😂 I know you’re being sarcastic! But the kind of men that truly think like that, “I make 50k a year, she should be grateful I don’t beat her. I can get some side now and then.” Is crazy. And it’s no less crazy and stupid when a guy making 300k a year does it but at least its not like a fat chick calling demanding she be worshiped for being beautiful.
It’s the same as hot women who marry or date average guys, and then walk all over them or cheat because they think their partner should be grateful that he’s with her at all!
What is sort of interesting though is that if a rich man married a beautiful woman, the men would look at that and say he should be allowed to do whatever he wants, while women would look and say no, she should be allowed to treat him however she wants.
it’s almost like the top 1% of ideals we hold as important to the other sex are actually more important to ourselves due to indoctrination by the media.
To me the only “high value” man is a man who would NEVER cheat on me! I was blessed to come from a family with money and I have a trust fund, so I neither want nor need a man’s money. My only requirement for a man I consider “high value” is that he be moral, ethical, and never cheat on me. I find the more money a man has, the more entitled he seems. I’m SURE that there are some high earners who are moral ethical men who would never dream of cheating on a woman he was in a committed relationship with. Unfortunately, in my experience they are few and far between. So as a rule, I don’t date men who earn more than five figures annually, or drive exotic cars.
"To me" this is not what high value means. It means what most women want. Most women don't want what you want.
@bamesjond0069 Perhaps, but given the OP asked if we “have what it takes to be with a high value man” and I disagree with the premise that a high value man must be tall, stunningly handsome, and earns over six figures, I answered the question as it applies to me. I have more money than most men 3x my age, also given that I’m 5’1½”, any man taller than that is taller than I, and that’s all that matters to me, so I’m happy to be with a 5’5” man, and as long as he is ethical and does not cheat, then to me he is a high value man. I can only answer questions from MY perspective, and when I am invited to answer to a question, I do… So what would you have me do? Pretend that I’m not wealthy or tiny? Sorry sweetie, I can’t do that, I can only answer from my own perspective defined by my lived experience, financial status, and height.
I see what you're saying but that seems more like you are just uninterested in HV men. It's like if I offered you a brand new Ferrari, a high value car. And you said I live in the woods so it's not for me, I'd rather have a normal truck. That's all fine and good but it doesn't change the fact the Ferrari is still a HV car. It's just not what you want.
But that means you may highly value a base model Chevy Silverado but it's not a HV vehicle such as a Ferrari.
@bamesjond0069 I already have a friggin’ Ferrari, now I dont usually discuss my extravagant belongings, as it just seems like snobbery and bragging in the worst degree! But since my dad gave my brother his dream-car (a Lamborghini Miura), he felt it only fair to give me the Red 308 that I loved so much! Your opinion of “high value” and mine are QUITE different! If you cannot understand when a woman CLEARLY says “To me, a high value man is a man with a sense of ethics and values, who would NEVER cheat on me.” Then I just don’t know what to say! Anyone on Gag who knows me, knows that I pay for my dates! But you just have a preconceived notion of what you believe ALL women are like! And since not all women are the same, then you have a distorted view of both reality, AND women! Likely b/c of what someone on social media told you! I feel sorry for you. It must be really sad to feel that all women are exactly the same, and that we are all despicable horrible people who want nothing more than mens money, even though many of us have more money that the men we date could ever dream of earning! I sincerely hope you learn to disavow these beliefs, or you may live a very lonely life, which is truly sad, nobody deserves that. I genuinely love and respect men, and I want the best for the men in our society! Again, people who TRULY know me here on Gag, know that I am VERY sympathetic to the inequities that men face in today’s society. Especially in the realm of family courts, re: divorce, alimony, and child custody, and also in criminal sentencing, as well as many other things! But I will not tolerate being lumped into the camp of beautiful, poor women who DO want men for their money! I have my OWN money, I have zero need for any man’s money… nor do I want it, I resent men assuming that regardless of my long history of defending men that I get accused of being a liar, and like “every other gold digger”! We women are NOT “all the same”! And I REALLY hope you learn that soon.
Not really sure what that rant was about. I'm saying HV is from economics. As gold is to silver, tall men with good careers are to short men who pt McDonald's.
While individuals may have their own opinions ie silver is prettier, gold is the higher value. No single opinion changes the marketplace. The buyers or in this case women and the sellers in this case men, create the marketplace.
It's not about you is the whole point. But based off your rant, you seem to think everything revolves around you.
@bamesjond0069 No, that’s not it at all. I devote almost all my spare time volunteering at a rape crisis center, and although I own my own house, I donate most of the rent money above what I need for food and utilities to charity. I certainly agree that we differ on what most men AND women define as “high value” qualities in a partner, and I also agree that I was very unfair to you in my last correspondence, and for that I apologize. I think we all have bad days, and I am not immune from that. While I understand your marketplace analogy, I just disagree on what make a man ‘high value”. To me character makes the man, and as I tell people all the time, while my first boyfriend was what most people agree is traditionally handsome, he cheated on me! My second boyfriend was not what most people agree is typically handsome, but he treated me like an angel and loved me with all his heart. Hat he not gone to college in California, we’d probably be engaged by now but long distance relationships rarely work, especially at our age, and even more so when we are both in 8yr programs. But even though we seem to disagree, you were very civil, and I sincerely apologize for my rudeness. I took my anger and frustration from my volunteer work out on you and that was supremely wrong and unfair. I hop you accept my apology.
Oh, and also excuse my terrible typos!
@bamesjond0069 I've been in this discussion before and I err on the side of crazygirl. HV is defined by that guy on youtube who died this year. The 666 effect,: six figures, six feet handsome et al. B
But in reality it isn't only about economics. Simply because something is high-priced, doesn't make it high value. Value is also about the value to the person in question.
As pretty, sporty and fast as some high-priced Italian sports cars are, they are impractical on the rutty streets of New Orleans and will become damaged and of NO value. Also, you can't perform practical tasks in these high-price spread cars. They are completely FOR SHOW..
This lends iteself to the HV male. Pretty with lots of money. But can he negotiate the rough streets? Is he practically well suited to interact with me, my family and friends, does he share my interest, a few of my hobbies, my travel and life goals? If all he is is rich, that means next to nothing to me.
If he can't carry on a conversation, talk about what's going on in the world and the neighborhood, read a few books, know how to paint a house, nail a board, clean a gutter, plant a garden, see the ballet or a concert, comic, watch a film, walk in the park or bike together... and these are just a FEW things I value. I cook, keep my own house clean, I'm painting the inside and will be doing the outside this year. And I enjoy doing this.
To me, a high value man shares MY values. He works, pays his bills and has complimentary interests to mine. He can take care of himself, as in he cooks healthily, keeps his home neatly, exercises, likes art, museums, culture...
Those are high-value activities and choices. Cash, a model face and a fancy car mean nothing if there's no personality or solid person underneath.
Thanks for the apology. It happens.
"While I understand your marketplace analogy, I just disagree on what make a man ‘high value”. To me..." again... You're making it about yourself. It's not a marketplace analogy. It is an economic term. It's about what women in general desire and not what you want.
Your conversation style is what women do to avoid questions they don't like. Women will not answer the question or discuss the topic at hand by basically claiming "it depends on the definition of what 'is' is." y'all fight over a definition that frankly is quite obvious so you can appear to talk about the issue while completely avoiding it.
When discussed in this way, those who use HV often explicitly state its used as the economic term or implicitly state it by using it with other economic terms and concepts. Maybe you didn't know but now you do.
So HV is basically the man most women would go gaga over in their dreams. That man.
@bamesjond0069 Given the circumstances of life in to which I was born, my neighborhood, my private school, etc, all of my friends are from wealthy families, and of the group of my six closest friends, only one will only date men who earn or receive at least six figures annually. The other five and also myself value more intrinsic qualities in men as I have already explained. I would be interested in knowing where you are getting your information from? I do think a lot of what you are saying is very true in areas like Los Angeles, New York, and Miami South Beach etc. But there are entire swaths of the country and the world where your definition of a “high value” man simply does not exist. So to claim that MOST women are gold digging whores (which IS the implication inferred by saying that most women only want high earning men) is simply statistically not possible. @Screenwriter made an excellent point when she wrote “If he can't carry on a conversation, talk about what's going on in the world…, read a book…, see the ballet or a concert, watch a film, walk in the park or bike together... and these are just a FEW things I value”. Because these too are things which I hold in high value. In fact I would never even consider dating a man who didn’t have these qualities…. But money? No that’s just not a quality that I consider “High value” in a partner. However, I absolutely do believe that I have “what it takes” to attract a high value man, well at least what I and most decent, well grounded, ethical women value as High Values.
I do thank you for this conversation, and I thank you for accepting my apology and understanding that we all have bad days every now and then, and it can be very challenging to turn off the rage, given my job! Going forward I think it best if I avoid coming online after spending the day in an ER with a 12yo girl who was raped by her step-father. But I do thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely, Laura.
@Screenwriter I could not agree with you more if I tried! Thank you for encapsulating, so beautifully, what the vast majority of us feel about relationships and what we truly value in men, and relationships! I would so MUCH rather go for a romantic walk on the beach followed by a few games of pool, and a cheap dinner, than ever have an expensive meal at Michelin star restaurant with a man who can’t hold a conversation, has never read a book without pictures, and has no respect for me as a person whatsoever, but he EXPECTS me to have sex with him because “hey do you know how much I spent on you tonight?”. So yeah, thank you very much. What you wrote was beautiful, and is FAR more representative of the majority of us women think, than this “women only want High Value (meaning high earning) men.
Sincerely, Laura.
"I would be interested in knowing where you are getting your information from?"
ALL studies show women as a whole prefer taller men and more successful men. Also real life. For example I'm the most successful of my friend group and I get wayyyy more women than any of my friends. Some of my friends are tall and they get more women then short. One in the group is short and not successful at all and he gets essentially zero women. Rarely does "reading a book" make any difference in what attracts women. However a HV man at the highest level also can "... carry on a conversation, talk about what's going on in the world…, read a book…, see the ballet or a concert, watch a film, walk in the park or bike together."
Maybe you don't realize but studies show about 30% of men have no sex in the past year. The middle 60% have average sex body count of like 3 to 7 depending on the study. The top 10% of men are having sex with 50 plus (up to 1000 think pro athletes) women.
Do you really think 30% of men are ultra religious and waiting till marriage? No. They are LV men and absolutely zero women want anything to do with them. They are objectively low value because they have no "takers". Nobody wants them at any price lol.
The top about 10% of men have lots of options, tons of women want to have sex with them and date them. They are objectively HV because they have high demand and limited supply. So what common themes do you think describe a lot of these men? Don't be willfully obtuse. Do you think these to 10% of men work at Starbucks? Are they 5'4"? Are they obese? What do you think?
"But money? No that’s just not a quality that I consider “High value” in a partner." Studies also show no matter what women make, whether they make minimum wage or $200k per year, women as a whole prefer men who earn more than them.
"So to claim that MOST women are gold digging whores (which IS the implication inferred by saying that most women only want high earning men) is simply statistically not possible."
Never claimed this. Women prefer a man who has ambition and is capable, which in current society is often measured in career success. Women rightfully should find a capable ambitious man more attractive than a lazy load who lives in his moms basement. That is not being a gold digger. Smh.
@bamesjond0069 "While individuals may have their own opinions ie silver is prettier, gold is the higher value. No single opinion changes the marketplace. The buyers or in this case women and the sellers in this case men, create the marketplace."
Not everything can be reduced to a market place. Love, affection, inner cultivation, moral values etc. This is a very materialistic way of thinking. There's lots of well off people who don't have their health. If you don't have your health, you've got nothing. A family member of mine has just been diagosed with stage 4 metastasised cancer. A lot of wealthy (and poor) individuals are lost souls who don't even know who they are. And then there's the transience of it all, you can't take your wealth with you! But even in terms of materiality, there's lots of variables. For example, I have a fantastic jawline and a six pack, however, I'm not particularly well off, at least by these American six figure standards! Nothing is so black and white in reality. However, we should count our blessings. I was reading some article about some young fellow who had a spinal injury at 19 the other day. Confined to a wheel chair for the rest of his life, but still had a fantastic career and a beautiful wife. We always complain about everything but usually our limitations are self imposed.
@bamesjond0069 “Studies also show no matter what women make, whether they make minimum wage or $200k per year, women as a whole prefer men who earn more than them.”
I am aware of that study, it was conducted by conservative Phyllis Shlafley. Do you understand the reasoning behind this? As Forbes wrote “It's not about desire. It's about numbers. Until very recently, the chances that a man would meet higher-earning women were pretty rare, and they still are!” (Source Below). The only other studies on this were by dating apps, and with few exceptions like eharmony and Christian Mingle (no, I’m not a right wing Christian, I’m Jewish and a moderate Liberal) dating apps are not exactly a bastion of virtue and values. If a man is looking for a “High ValueS” woman, he’s not exactly likely to find one on Plenty Of Fish!
However, Mr Jond, I don’t think we are going to come to any consensus on this subject. You have your opinion of the low morality and lack of ethics of “most women/women as a whole”, and I know myself, my friends, my mother, and my social circle of acquaintances, I am simply not going to agree that “women as a whole” LOOK for high earners, there simply are not enough! I understand that we ALL look for the most attractive people who also share our values, and I’m sure that most people value a hard working partner over a lazy one, but high earner does not necessarily equal high value. As @Screenwriter eloquently wrote “ As pretty, sporty and fast as some high-priced Italian sports cars are, they are impractical on the rutty streets of New Orleans and will become damaged and of NO value”.
So given that we each have our own opinions, and you are not going to change yours, and I am not going to change mine, I’m afraid that we will have to agree to disagree on this. But thank you for the robust debate.
Sincerely, Laura
*Source:
www.forbes.com/.../?sh=1899c5b13775
"As pretty, sporty and fast as some high-priced Italian sports cars are, they are impractical on the rutty streets of New Orleans and will become damaged and of NO value”.
This proves my point. Smh. This was my initial example above before she even said this 🤣
And so is a Ferrari with no value in a place with rutty streets worth $0? Nope. It's still very valuable... just not to you.
Why do you insist on making everything about YOU? Nothing I'm saying is about me, just factual statements. I didn't say anything is good or bad. Just factually women prefer men who make more money. Period. It's a fact. It's not good or bad or anything. It just is. And one exception is proof it's true. If you have to say maybe lots of women do but I don't because I have a lot of money unlike most women, that is proof you're not what I'm talking about but it otherwise is exactly right.
"I am simply not going to agree that “women as a whole” LOOK for high earners, there simply are not enough! I understand that we ALL look for the most attractive people who also share our values, and I’m sure that most people value a hard working partner over a lazy one, but high earner does not necessarily equal high value." Forget about money. I don't know why you're obsessed with money and obsessed with making it about yourself. If all women prefer blue eyes and most men have brown eyes, blue eyed men will be in high demand and thus highly valued. This CONCEPT applies to all features that are applicable in dating. So yes THAT IS THE POINT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH! SMH. I have to think you're just fucking with me at this point. Yes women want a successful man, most aren't successful, this means there are many women wanting something and not enough to go around making it rare. This means is VALUABLE. Or maybe you're just clueless how money works since you were born with a silver spoon?
@Levin Excellent points ALL! Let me add this, you are EXACTLY the type of man that I WOULD date! From what I gather you might not be “gorgeous” but you are a decent looking man, you clearly take care of your body regardless of what body type you have, you work out (ie: your six-pack), you don’t just sit on your butt playing video games all day and night! And while you may not earn six figures, who cares? You are a hard worker, and I’m willing to bet that you are ambitious, industrious, and conscientious. Just add-in gentle, a sense of humor, as-well-as confidence and self-assuredness and you are the perfect boyfriend! You also have your own original ideas, you don’t just quote one sentence and make your entire response about that sentence. And you don’t believe ALL women are gold digging whores, which is EXACTLY what Jond is saying when he claims that ALL women/women in general “ONLY” look for “high value” ie: High Earners. Despite the fact that two women have told him that simply is not true. Then this guy tries to insult me by saying that I am making this all about me, when I have consistently mentioned me, my friends, my mother, and my entire social circle of female acquaintances, yet only ONE will only date men who earn greater than six figures, but even SHE doesn’t require them to be over 6ft tall! I know it happens, but it’s not nearly as common as he thinks! This guy is so full of it, he thinks the entire country is LA or South Beach. Rural Alabama has a LOT of beautiful women, but not many men earning over 100k, so how does his theory translate there, or to the nation as a whole? So I truly thank you for being a real breath of fresh air. I swear I was beginning to loose faith in men until you injected your dose of common sense. Seriously, thank you… not because I think you set out to white knight me, far from it, I just think you are being true to your beliefs, and I really appreciate that, and you. Thank you.
Sincerely with much respect, Laura. 💋
I mean, I resent not being called gorgeous, but I'll take it :P Also, I thought you said you hated Englishmen? Anyway, I think I've got a good sense of humour, gentle, yeah, all the other things. Confidence and self assuredness, sometimes, haha. 'tis all a work in progress. Gotta work with the hand we are dealt.
As for Mr Bond, ultimately, to each their own. I'm sure his experiences for him, are true. And obviously, the concept of a market place clearly does have some truth. Obviously, a woman, for the most part, is going to prefer someone with high socio-economic status. And as a man, having those things, does confer confidence, which makes it easier to approach and get women.
Though, as I pointed out, even seeing things in materialistic terms is a faulty concept. Because sure, someone may be well off, but they may be fugly as fuck, inwardly and outwardly. There's just too many variables. No one is perfect. I'd honestly rather be who I am, rather than someone who is really rich and successful in the typical way. Those things aren't important to me, they don't meet my own value systems.
However, the world ultimately takes the shape of our beliefs. If we believe all women are materialistic, and we place our own value in materialistic pursuits and work to those ends, then that's the world you will inhabit. But it's a sadly shallow and hollow life. And the rug will be ultimately pulled from under our feet, one way or another.
"... by saying that I am making this all about me, when I have consistently mentioned me, my friends, my mother, and my entire social circle of female acquaintances..." Do you not read what you write? 🤔
"Rural Alabama has a LOT of beautiful women, but not many men earning over 100k, so how does his theory translate there..." Exactly my point. More evidence that what I'm saying is true. Again. Why don't you try and argue your point for a change?
@Levin "Obviously, a woman, for the most part, is going to prefer someone with high socio-economic status." Ground breaking assertion. If only I'd thunk such a thing. Gee whiz.
"someone may be well off, but they may be fugly as fuck, inwardly and outwardly. There's just too many variables. No one is perfect." If there are too many variables how does anyone have any preferences? I like smart women and brunettes but golly I can't keep track of it all. Smh. A HV male is both successful and attractive. A lower value man is just one or the other. A LV man is neither successful or attractive.
@bamesjond0069 OK BJ. Then I don't know "most women." My friends are similar to me and those HV qualities aren't what they "go gaga" over.
And I'm sure this has something to do with age-range too. I think by the time "most women" have some life experience, marketplace/job experience, they discover a lot of money and a fancy car are to be all end alls.
I'm not avoiding the discussion at all. I've heard this is what's trending now. It's also pretty sad, because these kinds of men are few and far between and how is a woman going to attract this kind of man unless she's HV too? Lots of money, fab face and figure, fast car herself... ?
I insist that these HV men sound terribly shallow, and though they might be flashy and interesting for the equally shallow and incredibly young, they will not last for people who want serious, longterm and deep relationships.
Are NOT the be all, end alls... Not a freudian slip...
@Screenwriter "My friends are similar to me and those HV qualities aren't what they "go gaga" over." So if they don't like successful men... they like unsuccessful ones? McDonald's worker? Waiter? Unemployed? Hmm interesting.
"And I'm sure this has something to do with age-range too." It has nothing to do with age range, it's about delusion. Just a few days ago I saw on i think market watch a 50 yo woman wrote in saying she earns like 400k per year and where are all the men on her level with her finances and ambition. Lmfao. That's a joke. Because there are so few and the few that there are aren't seeking a 50 year old woman most likely.
"I insist that these HV men sound terribly shallow" so all men who earn above average income are shallow? So kind of as my first point, are you dating men who live under a bridge in a cardboard box since you specifically think all successful men are shallow?
@Levin Well don’t be TOO “resentful” after all, I did write “may not be gorgeous” which by definition also means “may be gorgeous” 😘. As for me hating English men, you MUST have me confused with someone else. My father is English, half my family is English, and I spent the first six years, and most holidays in England 🏴. If I ever did write that, then it was pure sarcasm, because I adore most English men & accents (well, except maybe Scouse) JK. I would never judge anyone based on where they were from. With that out of the way, I would push back on your statement that most women would prefer a man on the higher end of the socioeconomic spectrum. Although my father is extremely wealthy, my mother who happened to be a surgeon in the U. S. Army when they met, believed he was a low level programmer who was essentially penniless. Only after they were engaged did he tell her about his wealth. Most women, well most quality women, just want a man who is not lazy. We want someone who is living up to their potential, who has goals and is actively pursuing them. Success is a relative term and means different things to different people depending on their values, which seems to be something BamesJond is oblivious to. Although I can’t say that I’m surprised, any grown man who puts “69” in their screen name likely has the emotional maturity of a 14yo who failed PE, and is not likely to grasp a nuanced concept such as success being relative!
As for your last sentiment, I could not agree more! Our beliefs do in fact shape our perception of the world in which we live. Confirmation bias is all too real! If a man believes that most women are materialistic gold-diggers, and if he is not financially well off and he receives a lot of rejection from women, of course he will blame it on his lack of material wealth. After all, it’s a LOT easier to do that than it is to admit to oneself that one is just an un-likable person!
Thanks again for another great comment, Laura 💋
@Screenwriter Once again, another superb comment! I totally agree that like you I do not know “most women”, but those women I do know are nothing like the “most women” BJ describes. Out of my entire social circle, I only know one woman who even cares about the amount a man earns, and even she does not require his “over 6ft” benchmark!
I would disagree that it is a matter of age, because I only turned 20 three weeks ago, yet even I understand that money, a high paying job, or a fancy car are NOT the end-all be-all for finding a great guy! I believe it is more a matter of life experience, and since I grew up as part of a wealthy family I have learned that money can buy a lot, but it cannot buy happiness! Often I have found the inverse to be true, the more money a person has the unhappier they seem to be! I have been surrounded by wealthy people my entire life, and there are a LOT of miserable wealthy people out there! My ex boyfriend, however, came from a very poor family, but the closeness within his family was astounding, and despite what Mr. BJ would believe, he actually DID work at McDonald’s! We were together for two years, and we would still be together had he not been wait-listed into his dream college in California! I sadly had to end it, I know that long distance relationships rarely work, especially at our age, and it wouldn’t be fair to either of us to have to wait 8 years to be together again for more than ten days at a time, but I do miss him!
I also agree that any woman who insists on what BJ believes are High Value men, seem like they are extremely shallow, and as such they would likely attract equally shallow men. Who wants a relationship like that? Like you, I want a serious, longterm and deep relationship with a serious (yet funny) deep and sophisticated man. I would never find another good man if I judged men based on the size of their income OR their bank accounts! Thank you for yet another excellent comment.
Sincerely, Laura 🥰
@CrazyGirl2 "I would never find another good man if I judged men based on the size of their income OR their bank accounts!" So I asked her too but so do you date a man working minimum wage McDonald's and lives with his mom? What about unemployed? What about lives in a cardboard box under a bridge? You really have no requirements financially for someone you date? Seems weird.
@bamesjond0069 Maybe go back and read my ENTIRE answer, instead of just the last few sentences? Then maybe you’d see that my ex-boyfriend of two years DID work at McDonald’s! I knew you didn't read the complete answers! People who ALWAYS insist on the lazy way of just quoting one sentence and only addressing that ONE sentence, almost never read the entire answer!
@bamesjond0069 well every woman wants a high value man, it's just not a lot of women can get them and as a result, they try to rewire their standards so they like low value men.
Basically they go for what they can get...
I saw. I said "Seems weird." I've never heard McDonald's was the way to get a woman, never met a woman who would stoop so low, never met a guy working there that could get girls. Just seems weird. You're clearly not typical. No studies back up what you're saying at all.
I make a passive 6 figures so I'm not an average man. I have 2 girlfriends and generally fuck about 10 or so new women on a yearly basis. Do I tell other men struggling to get a girl, "just get one, all you got to do is just smile and say hi and you will be drowning in pussy?" No I don't because I'm smart enough to realize my life is not average and therefore nothing about my personal life can be extrapolated out to men in general. You seem to think every woman is born wealthy and so can date men at McDonald's or a lawyer... doesn't matter because it makes no difference. Except the average woman is essentially completely broke. Average. Not you the exception. You're an exception and nothing about you can be used to make a generalization to average majority of women. The end. But as I said before and I'll say it again. You can't help but make every single thing about you. I probably could say, women like to wear dresses. Because in general most women will wear a dress and men don't. And you will chime in "no I actually wear jeans". Or I'll say women do this or that and you will be like "I dont". Nobody gives a crap what you do. Lmfao.
@Delphier232 this I agree with.
Well, you said that the English accent had no power over you, as an American, which I found hard to believe... But yeah. So I'd have to put in effort to seduce you as an American girl, which, hmm, not sure I'm all about that...
Oh, you adore eh? That's definitely not what you said first time around. But that's probably because I was being annoying and arrogant (as above), which I do have a tendency to be, sometimes... Anyway, as you kind of elude to, there's quite a variation between accents here. So while you're kind of used to it, with your dad, mine might be quite different. Also, I think the voice itself is important. I think , or hope, I have quite a nice voice. People tell me it's calming, oddly. Anyway, next time you're in England, hmu :P
Also yeah, scouse is awful. It's like nails on a blackboard (hope this reference isn't before your time) with me. Welsh is very grating too, along with some Scottish accents, Glaswegian, so offensive to good taste. However, I am English, so I probably hate everybody.
And yes, I agree with what you're saying about relativity and like I say, there's too many variables. That's why black and white statements make little sense. There's also a 'karma' in dating and relationships. Relationships can be about burning up karma, so many things. In fact, arguably all relationships have that facet, of relating to unhealed aspects of our childhood and parents who basically fuck us up, if they're unconscious. But that's another topic.
And yes, to each to their own. I won't be replying to him. He was quite rude there unnecessarily.
@Levin Absolutely I could not possibly agree more that he is incredibly rude! I actually decided to not reply to him a while ago, but made the stupid mistake of replying to him anyway, which of course proved fruitless! All he does is cut and paste one or two sentences, then references only those sentences, in other words instead of replying in earnest with his own original thoughts and ideas, he cherry picks the most basic statements or concepts as written by someone else and then he tries the old “gotcha” technique! Also, (and this is just a personal pet peeve so excuse my indulgence,) but he constantly writes things like “yes I said that above” or “that’s what I was trying to say” or even “that’s what I've been saying”, and all I can do is scream at the monitor “you didn’t SAY anything you moron, you WROTE IT! I also can’t stand when people make assertions about women (or men) in general and when I reply “well that’s certainly not what I do, my mother never did anything like that, and none of my friends do that bar one, so it seems like maybe it’s only a minority a minority of women” they accuse me of making it all about myself, and make ridiculous comments like “it’s not all about you” or “the world doesn’t revolve around you“! Well I'm sorry sir, but you asked ME something, and since I don’t know all of woman kind, I can only speak to my own behavior and the behavior of women that I know personally. If whomever it is does not like my answer, they are more than free to disengage me in conversation, but insulting me personally? That merely betrays both their lack of any cogent argument, and their complete lack of character! Basically the opposite of you!
@bamesjond0069 "Maybe you don't realize, but studies show about 30% of men have no sex in the past year. The middle 60% have average sex body count of like 3 to 7 depending on the study. The top 10% of men are having sex with 50 plus (up to 1000 think pro athletes) women."
BJ, you are again quantifying a man. If his body count is high, as his earning, as his career, then he has lots of sex.
Does having "lots of sex" make him high value? Anyone having 50 women a year sounds pretty cavalier and careless and someone seeking an STD. 50 women in a LIFETIME is high, unless you're Wilt the Stilt, the famous basketball player who supposedly bedded 1000 women during his pro years.
Since women usually make far less than men, that a woman wants a man to make more than her doesn't seem unreasonable if she wants a home and family. Being capable is a given. Who doesn't want someone who can't take care of themselves. I'd hope a man wants a similarly capable woman!
Hmmm.. Ambition. This is a sticky wicket. Do you want a man so ambitious that his job is his main focus in life? Or do you want a man who's successful doing what he loves and enjoys doing? Improves himself in the field of his choice or calling?
There might be women who want lazy loafs living in their mom's basements, but that's about as appealing as a gold digger.
There's no humanity in high-value. Just $$$$. That is one aspect of a person. And often you cannot judge what a young man just starting out is going to achieve, and just as often, people change their minds and take different paths. Success is relative. It is not primarily measured in how many women you bed, your salary, your fancy car, shoes, clothes, big house or jet-set lifestyle.
If you're using these factors as yardsticks for human worth, your life might look good, but be empty and lacking in depth.
Men I know are kind, generous, good looking enough, make enough money, are warm, have senses of humor, laugh well and hard, are loving. Being good like that is the highest value on earth. I don't want to befriend anyone who doesn't fit that bill. They are of no value to me, and of little value to the world. My father, brother, cousins all fit that category and they make being around them pure pleasure and an honor.
Real men.
@bamesjond0069 Not saying all HV men are shallow. Saying if these quantifying qualities are all that adds up to HV, then that's screwy. If you're making 400K a year, what type of job are you doing? Probably something rather high powered and time consuming, correct? All that moneymaking takes time away from life living, doesn't it? My dad had a 7 to 3 job at the post office and earned the same amount of money as my mom. They raised my brother and I and put us through college, we had a lovely home in a nice neighborhood. He was home in the afternoons and evenings, helped build our house, we went on summer vacations as a family all over the Eastern seaboard, helped us with homework, mowed the lawn. He was present. Volunteered at our church. He was a successful man, father, community member. Those are the type of men I consider high value. And all the men in my family on dad's and mom's side are like him in most ways.
I find it hard to believe that someone making tons of money and overcommitted to intense careers have time to devote to familiy and community. These HV men might not be shallow, but I bet few are available.
@Screenwriter well for example I earn lower but well into 6 figures but it's all bassically passively generated so I only work like 0 to 3 hours per week.
This gives me a good ability to pay for a nice lifestyle as well as lots of time and freedom.
99% of men cannot offer this. Now is it necessary? No. Is it preferable to many women, yes. Is it rare yes. Therefore in this aspect it contributes to my value in a romantic relationship to be higher. I'm also an athlete and quite attractive, muscles 6pack etc, this is more preferable to most women over other possible body types. I also have other things about me women prefer. The fact that all these aspects combined together are rare, makes me a far more preferred option compared to the majority of men. Such that I can get dates, sex, relationships easily more so than other men because its like 20 women would prefer to date me over other men they have as options to date. So that means 20 dudes are sitting home whacking it while I am sitting home with 2 gfs and one of my friends with benefits chilling and have like 10 other women in my dms asking when we can hang out.
It's simply supply and demand. I'm in demand and in short supply therefore HV. Other men sit home and can't get a date for nothing because there are lots of those guys available and no demand for them therefore they are LV.
Girls who think HV men are dicks usually are upset they aren't as competitive ie they expect I'll let her go to the club without me for example because her LV ex let her. I can say no and if you do were over because I'm HV and I call the shots. So yes it can come off as a dick but most nice normal women I date don't try and push nonsense shit on me so therefore they think I'm sweet and nice.
As a man, in charge of his domain, there is no model or formula for either high value male or female. One has to be cognizant of cultural definition that persist in the region one is in at the moment…if one is trying to do Business or Date.
High value is culturally static rather than immovable although personally, high value, can be clearly expressed and entrenched as one shops for Preferences.
Most women looking for money aren’t going to get with someone whose a high value man. This is why they’re always bitching all the time about men and how they should be. Because they can’t get the men they want or are in a relationship but miserable.
Sure she might get a rich guy. But neither one of them are looking for love. So it’s misery.
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According to the bible, a sheep herder is just as valuable as a Wall Street banker.
According to real life and personal experience though... it's a bit more grim...
Most religious women are single not by choice after the age 30. High value men nowadays want women for both body and personality. And, not to shade on you but, I haven't seen a single religious person or devout anything been with (or have never been able to) a high value person ( Nobel laureate, phd, millionaire, etc...). More because nowadays religious people rarely see truthful. Just for show or ego. They don't really bring anything to the table.
It's kinda sad but thats life. From experience, I dated a religious man and later realized he was just having an ego. He thought he was just as high value as a phd, professor, millionaire, etc... just because he felt he was smart that he was religious. It was all ego... that's why I broke up with him. He's still single to this day.
Hope this reply helped Jennifer 👍
I hate that this is true but religious people nowadays tend to manipulate for personal gain than anything else.
I wish it was different though...
High value. Its such a loose term.
But if you mean wealthy guy, that cheats VS a broke but faithful man? Well, it depends entirely.
Some "girls" go for this.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xdVknLqOM9Ahttps://www.youtube.com/embed/pPw_izFr5PAAnd if you look at these bimbos, you'll see they have nothing other than looks, body, youth and an organic baby incubator chamber. It's no wonder they're being cheated with or getting cheated on.
And when you ask your local girls (assuming you're in America or Europe) if they would join him, then you're about to get physical threats from women. This will seriously piss off women!
There are more than 2 types of women. More than those voting for A or B.
That one girl in the pink could have a PH. D we don't know lol
My gold digger ex girlfriend cancelled her PhD and became one of them.
"they have nothing other than looks, body, youth and an organic baby incubator chamber"
So why do all the hot girls go for them? The some that don't are ugly old women nobody really wants.
See this is funny.
What is even considered a high-value man? Because in my eyes, that's subjective.
I can already from the options you provide in the poll see a high-value man is someone who earns a lot of money, probably wants eye candy on his arm, yet cheats on his woman.
In my eyes, that's not a high-value man.
A genuine guy who has a connection with me, and that won't cheat on me, is considered much more of a high-value man in my eyes.
You also mention the lifestyle that he provides, and what lifestyle is this?
I can already imagine that many are business men, who probably travel a lot? How's that great in any way?
"What is even considered a high-value man?"
The kind of man the majority of women want. Your personal Piccadillos are irrelevant. The marketplace of women decide what is a high value man.
@bamesjond0069 not everyone is superficial idiot. Some people are more attracted to personality and someone they vibe with well than how much money he makes and the type of lifestyle he can provide.
@bamesjond0069 As the question was directed at the ladies, it would seem it is your personal opinion that is irrelevant, not hers.
@LiamJHayden her question was not. Maybe you didn't read her response?
@bamesjond0069 I did. I disagree that her opinions are irrelevant as she is part of the target group.
@bamesjond0069 correct. Thank you for saying this. It's pretty obvious, yet here we are covering the basic A, B, C's yet again.
@DoctorSex they always like to do this. It's nothing new.
This question is so wrong... A person's value is defined by their personality, emotional intelligence, charisma and inner qualities, not the amount of money they make. Plus, the $12 an hour 9-5 guy can always get a better; once a douche, you're always douche though in my opinion
Chose B. You know here's the thing rich men have a huge ego, unless they're spiritual or something. What I've noticed "poor" men also have the attitude. Someone who has an average paying job, but has social life, hobbies similar to mine and is a good person is the one I'm looking for. Guys it's really that simple for most of us ✌.
If that was the case then so many women wouldn’t be single
Because most of us just want ass not a relationship
That’s only true for women we don’t really like that much it’s not that it’s the only thing we have to offer it’s just the only thing we’re willing to easily give you without commitment
What is a "high value" man? A pretenious moron who thinks because he has money he can have any woman he wants? Someone who contributes little to a woman's life besides his pocket book?
Why do you think "rich" and "wealthy" men oftentimes end up divorced multiple times and loosing half or more of their money?
Because they typically lack character, personality, depth, etc. They are typically shallow, insecure, and generally moronic. What they care about - money, cars, appearance - has no value in an actual relationship except when marrying a gold digger that couldn't give a shit about her husband as long as he buys her pretty necklaces & other garbage.
And I say that having friends who are VERY well off. As in their uncle lives on a ranch & has his own private helicopter.
The general men that one of his girls date... would win awards of biggest loser of the century if it wasn't for his pocket book. He spends more time inspecting himself in the mirror than all three sisters do.
Only a woman who isn't good enough to reach success herself would need to marry a rich man. Rich women don't need to marry for money, they already have money. They can afford to marry the man they want regardless of his income.
I agree. This question is about high value men not rich men.
@coachTanthony
if you're asking me about my preferences , I'm gonna tell you I don't need a rich man. Because I'm bound to make a shit ton in just a few years. Only losers need to marry for money. Winners can manage to get rich lifestyles on their own.
The problem is those men don’t want those women so rich women end up dating down because no woman wants to be solely responsible for the full financial load of a relationship
Yes and by date you mean fuck because no rich man is going to wife her
@PainusNdeeAnus
Truth is, rich women can date anyone she wants. She does not have to only aim for men richer than her. She can have a wide range of selection of men to fall in love with. If she loves a poor man, she can go for him. If she loves a rich man, she can go for him. A lot of rich women do not even want marriage because she knows she will lose assets to her husband.
you're wrong that rich men tend to marry poor women. I live in one of the richest cities in the world. Over here, rich men actually tend to date and marry rich women. Poor men tend to date and marry poor women. why? because rich people do not tend to work or hangout in places where poor people go to. if you're rich, there is a good chance your social circle will also be rich people.
Broke women tend to want marriage wayy more than rich women. Because only poor women need marriage to maintain financial stability. Rich women do not need marriage. They already have stability. In fact, many rich women avoid marriage knowing that it will just lead her to have more financial conflicts.
You’re delusional thinking that money and success does for women what it does for men
The fact is even if a rich woman does marry a rich man she will be cheated on because rich men have wayyy more options
Money won’t stop your biological clock from making you infertile
30 k a year to have one baby when a man can just fuck a younger hotter woman
Man stop deluding yourself men are visual we don’t care about your money we care about looks, youth and fertility
You’re just showing how little you understand men
We don’t care about your money it doesn’t make you high value actual high value women are scooped up fast and married before they are drinking age
A rich woman can’t have whoever she wants she can get dick that’s it she won’t get a real commitment or marriage just mediocre penis
We don’t give a fuck about your money you could be a billionaire if you look like miss piggy men will not want you over a broke 10/10
Rihanna could be flat broke on fries at McDonald’s but because she is hot men both rich and poor will want her only extremely attractive women can have whatever man they want
@PainusNdeeAnus
Rhianna, kim kardashian, jennifer lopez have tons of men willing to date them. do you really think these rich women can't get any men? they're high status women only looking to date high status men.
Take a look at jeff bezos's wife, she got remarried within a year after divorcing him.
Yes they can but not because of their money but because they are hot
Again men are visual your looks matter more to us than your money
Is this really that hard to understand?
@PainusNdeeAnus
[We don’t give a fuck about your money you could be a billionaire if you look like miss piggy men will not want you over a broke 10/10]
when men like you get older, uglier but not richer, you won't be able to get hot pretty girls. ok?
Undesirable men like you love to expect things but never can provide anything.
you will lose value as you age too. I'm not more attracted to an old, aging, fat, sagging 45 yr old when I can get a tall handsome, young , strong and in shape 30 yr old.
@PainusNdeeAnus
[Yes they can but not because of their money but because they are hot
Again men are visual your looks matter more to us than your money]
jennifer lopez, rhianna, kim kardashian, are all older women who look hot as fuck because they have money. rich women can afford beauty treatments that broke women can't afford.
Male gold diggers equals Bums
Yes I will have plenty of hot women because women date men based off our ability to provide
Men date based off looks you sound bitter because you know once you hit the wall that’s it for you
Stop deluding and lying to yourself and take action
@PainusNdeeAnus
A rich unattractive woman will always be able to get more dates than you. A rich woman has money. what do you have to offer? nothing
I sense a lot of sadness and anger in your voice. thats cuz you don't have looks, no personality, no money.
you'd be lucky if a 60 yr old woman paid you any attention.,
A rich unattractive woman can get dick all women can dick is easy to get im not gay but if I wanted dick I could get it
Stop whining about the circumstances and do something about it grow up
Rich older women can get DICK!
They can’t get top shelf men they can’t get high value men
That’s why the women most bitter about dating are older women because their best years are behind them and men with option’s always pick the younger prettier girl
Men care about looks not income
Men care about looks not income.
@PainusNdeeAnus
what makes you think you can get young hot women forever?
by the time you hit the wall, you're gonna have to settle for an unattractive old woman ebcause no young hot woman wants you?
why would I settle for an old ugly 45 yr old man if i can get a hot young 30 yr old man?
@PainusNdeeAnus
[That’s why the women most bitter about dating are older women because their best years are behind them and men with option’s always pick the younger prettier girl]
its quite hilarious how you think a younger prettier girl would want you if you're old and ugly at 45.
45 year old men don’t cry about dating because they have a plethora of options
Deal with it.
Sweetie you wouldn’t be anything to a man like that but a hole
So that only further proves the point that women prefer older men
So thank you
Did you wear a helmet to school?
Or ride a very small wheelchair accessible bus?
You try to keep that in mind
News flash men would only be interested in your ass
Project much?
That’s fine I’ll have much more options than you at 45 ladies love a man who can provide
Let me ask you a question? Why do you think men find you attractive?
Okay.
Are you going to answer my question though?
Why do so many people assume successful men cheat?
Because many successful men have options of women wanting them. So when they get with one woman and she expects sexual exclusivity and a lifestyle that he provides she will be sadly dissappointed.
Well, then, I'm grateful that the successful men I'm surrounded by are honorable successful men.
I grew up with female friends, successful or otherwise, who are the ones in question.
Not too many out there. We are talking the 1% though.
Taking a line from a famous movie, "the best of the best!" :)
Lmao at all the women saying they don't like HV men. 🤣 then why do y'all keep having sex with them?
It’s almost sad how much of a simpleton you are
Great Question 0069
I see the dipshits are sticking together. How cute
@Kingofkings1992 Go check out my new MyTake it might help. God bless
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@bamesjoned0069 Absolutely well said! They talk shit bout them yet have no issues sleeping with them. I guarantee that every girl I've slept with prior to my current girlfriend has something bad to say about me, yet had no issues opening their legs.
@Kingofkings1992 The fact you're coming here throwing an emotional temper tantrum because people share views that you don't resonate with you is more a you-problem than anyone else. And taking a look at your profile only to see the people you follow being 90% women is a tell-tale you're one of those SJW simps.
Maybe if you actually adopt the mindset of those you're throwing a hissy fit at, you would be more successful in getting some poompoom without having to simp your way towards it.
@TruthBringer I’m no simp and I’m not having a hissy fit. I just have a quick reaction to bullshit.
@TruthBringer 90% women? @Kingofkings1992 you simpin on the side playa?
@Kingofkings1992 Sure you're not.
@coachTanthony out of the 28 actual users he is following, 26 are female. So percentage wise, 92.85% of the people he follows are women. But apparently, he "isn't" simping lol.
@TruthBringer Busted. Cue the sirens lol
@coachTanthony The only thing needed to be said is this:
Simp detected, opinion rejected.
@TruthBringer Ha Ha Ha
@TruthBringer And how exactly is this proof positive that I’m a simp? I don’t think you understand what a simp is. I would advise changing your username because you’re definitely not a truth bringer.
@Kingofkings1992 Yeah @TruthBringer he just thinks all these women have something interesting to say. lol
@Kingofkings1992 You're right, it doesn't make you a simp by definition. However, it does serve as a big indication of one being a simp. On many platforms, especially on this one, the (known) simps all have things in common. One of them being that they all follow women primarily. Something you do as well. Next to that, they often attack men for their views in regards to dating & women in order to virtue signal. And lo and behold, you started throwing a hissyfit at a man rather than trying to have a mature discussion.
So one and one makes two, it's safe for me to assume you're one of them.
Whether you agree or don't agree with my username is irrelevant. I'm simply calling a spade a spade.
@TruthBringer so you call me a simp, and then recoil once your bulllshit is called out? Nice dude. Keep making assumptions and being dead wrong about them.
@Kingofkings1992 Recoil? Nah, I merely stated a truth that one factor doesn't necessarily make someone a simp, but add more factors in and the picture starts to make more sense.
By all means, keep crying because you got called out on your unnecessary emotional temper tantrum
@TruthBringer crying? Not really. I’m just calling you and Coach out on your bullshit and having a damn good time doing it. 😂
@Kingofkings1992 It's funny you do that after being called out on your emotional temper tantrum. But hey, you do you my man 🤣
@TruthBringer eh you guys are simple minded cowards. It’s all good. Good night
@Kingofkings1992 Pot. Kettle. Black. Goodnight 🤣
I don't care if I did, it seems to me like the type of hvm guy the red pill/ alpha male community worships is the opposite of guy I like in multiple ways. I'm all in favor of masculine men who know what they're doing but a lot of the time, these hvm just sounds like annoying rich 🍑holes.
Yes, without doubts. What values offers this hypothetical "high quality man" because satisfying women isn't that easy like satisfying men.
Satisfying women is easy. You have to fuck them so deep it touches their heart.
Coach, I don't know what to say? My S. O. makes over $100 an hour and that's more than me, and we're in an open relationship!
You do you. Nothing wrong with any of that.
That's what I'm doing!
There is no such thing as “high value” men. How desirable someone is entirely subjective. What kind of peanut brained douchebag actually buys into that bullshit?
If you know you know you obviously don't. Not everyone can be high value. It's okay.
And not everyone can have an IQ above room temperature. It’s okay 👍
Thanks for the comments guy.
He doesn't get that subjective things have value. Like art. Just because it's subjective doesn't mean there isn't a marketplace and a "price" that creates transactions due to a meeting of the minds.
@bamesjond0069 human beings are not comparable to art work. Sorry buddy, that’s a logical fallacy.
Clearly you don't know what a logical fallacy is. But your comment sounded cool. 😎
@Kingofkings1992 Clearly you lack any knowledge about logical fallacies. You've attempted to point out a 'false equivalence fallacy'. Only sadly for you, he didn't actually make a direct comparison. So the "logical fallacy" you claim he resorted to has been misidentified. He merely used art as an example to argue that there are subjective things that have value. Whether they are material, immaterial or even organic. That's not the same as a comparison.
@TruthBringer look at you trying to sound smart. He did make a comparison. You’re obviously not the brightest on GAG, but that’s sad even for you.
@Kingofkings1992 That's rich coming from someone who misidentifies logical fallacies lmfao. Whatever floats your boat, my man.
@TruthBringer He just tapped out. Don't keep beating him over the head lol
@coachTanthony True that
@TruthBringer It's just not fair lol
And Coach don’t even get me started on your sorry ass. You’re 51 years old, but have the mental maturity of a 16 year old. 😂 You both fail.
@Kingofkings1992 LOL You couldn't start a lawn mower. I run this joint like a prison and in prison you son are my little B****. Oh by the way Happy New Year
@Kingofkings1992 Your lack of self-awareness is quite amusing. Keep reaching 😂
@TruthBringer likewise. I find you both highly amusing. What would life be without people to laugh at? Thanks 🙏
The irony is palpable 😂🤦
@TruthBringer are you sure you understand what irony means? Because you’ve been failing miserably all night 😂
@Kingofkings1992 Make sure to first educate yourself on logical fallacies and practice some reading comprehension, because the fact you thought the other guy compared humans to art is quite telling in itself 🤦
@TruthBringer my reading comprehension skills are unparalleled. Again, making assumptions and making a total ass of yourself.
@Kingofkings1992 PFFF. Yeah, whatever helps you in your wishful thinking, pal 🤣
Honestly, I have no fucking idea. What is high value to you? Maybe it's different from my view. Either way, I'm in a relationship now and the man is great, we're almost 3 years in. Treats me with respect, polite, caring. To me he is high value and I know I have what it takes to be with him as a girlfriend. A wife? Time will tell.
This "high-value" crap has to stop.
It's just begun. Get on board or get off the train.
Most men who aren't high value agree with you.
He’s right. Only stupid men would disagree with him.
I don't believe in that high value man or woman internet phenomenon BS.
People's inflated and distorted ego makes them believe they are special or something when in actuality they ain't ish if look deep past the surface.
And being rich and having fame certainly doesn't make one "high vaule"
What men see as high value and what women see are usually two very different things.
what do you see is high value?
Please explain what men see as high value?
Most women today have no idea what men actually want from a woman beyond sex and physical attractiveness, so most cannot give an accurate answer to this question. Women tend to measure their own value based on the same thigs they value in men, which obviously gives them a falsely inflated sense of self-worth.
High value isn't just money. A man making $100k + per year that is only 5' 6" is not as high of value as a man making $50k and is 6' tall.
The Asker poses this question like a 9-5 guy is a disadvantage, but there can be disadvantages to people with money too. People don't think about that.
You can also add your opinion below!
