There is something to be said about men who MGTOW. Fine. No worries. But when you blame women for your lack of female relationships... then that makes it totally different. What are your thoughts?
Anyone who 100% blames someone else for all their problems is immature and mentally weak. Also attraction isn’t a choice. You can’t change if you feel attracted to someone or you don’t. Mature men and women can accept that.
However respect is a choice. Respect isn’t fulfilling someone else’s wants and desires. Respect isn’t always putting someone else’s needs about yours. Respect isn’t caving into guilt all the time and doing something for someone just because you feel bad for them.
No respect is taking a step back and putting the mental effort into UNDERSTANDING the other persons situation and treating them fairly all considered.
For example I have met a lot of frustrated, loud and angry BBW women over the years. If one is interested in me I am not just going to do date her and give her attention because I feel sorry for her. But I will take a step back and realize she has to get up everyday, look in the mirror and go out and face the world. She’s human and has dreams, intimacy, sex, etc.
I am under no obligation to fulfill those needs. I do not feel sorry about not feeling attracted to her. BUT I will be kind and tactfully direct about not being interested. I will treat her how I would like to be treated if I got rejected.
Anyway I noticed many women do not put in the mental effort into understanding the man is in when he approaches and tries to date. When all else is equal woman have inherit advantage in the early stages of dating. They don’t have to approach, impress, entertain, (often) pay for a date, make a first move, etc. They get to sit back and judge whether or not they will accept or reject. They are the customer and the guy is the door to door salesman who survived on commission only.
Women could do a much better job of acknowledging they are very privileged when it comes to all of this. But many assume dating is the same way for guys as it is for them. Or worse they are told they are “a strong” woman for being rude to a man because “their feelings” call for it vs. what he did or didn’t do.
Most mature guys aren’t actually angry about not getting sex, intimacy, romance. It sucks to be rejected but that’s life. No we are angry about being DISRESPECTED. There is a difference there. Huge one.
Women are nature, and nature chooses who/ what gets to propagate itself. Rejection is hard; so, it's understandable that to be found "unworthy" is emotionally hard on people. A natural reaction to rejection is to become frustrated, angry, etc.
However, I believe much of the modern complaint is that women's standards have become inflated beyond what they can reasonably expect to get (6ft, 6 pack, 6 figures, etc). The result of this is a huge number of single, childless women (estimated to be over half by 2030), but an equally huge number of single men. Women are to blame in this scenario; although they are the choosers, if their standards relegate half of men to lifelong single status it makes sense that men are upset with women.
A common response to this is: be better. But it's not about raising the average man into something more appealing by todays standards, it's understanding that regardless of where men are physically/ economically, if left to their own devices modern women will continually pursue the top 10-20% of men almost exclusively, or accept being single for life. Regardless of where the average is, average will not be appealing to modern women- it gives them nothing to brag about.
Looking at youtube/ tiktok/ etc. videos and you can see average- attractive women complaining about being used and abused by this 10-20% of men, asking for a "good guy" to come along, and then going ahead and rejecting any guys who would LOVE being that "good guy" in exchange for being a bootycall from a "high value man."
Sexual liberation, social media, and the complete negation of social norms/ expectations have permitted women to damn men to being alone, and be shamed for it (e. g. incel).
I understand. It comes from exasperation.
They're children. They're sulking that they can't get what they want, because of their own issues but can't deal with the crushing emotion that comes with taking responsibility so blame someone else who can't fight back in significant way.
The whole MGTOW. I've never truly seen it done willingly. In mind it would lead to an increase in homosexuality as those probably couldn't stay fully celibate. What I've seen so far is men just lying to women about wanting relationships and not taking responsibility for the blow up that occurs when women work out theyre lying... or seeing prostitutes.
Have youet men that are truly leaving women alone?
I think it’s immature.
I won’t go into detail.
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Men who blame are men who women exhibit such poor judgment that the female golden retriever (B-) even thinks twice before approaching.
This man will not claim his leadership roles within relationships. Guarantee he is blaming in other areas of life too. And if they are so brave to do that in public, media, and to girl then hold onto to your hand or blow-up doll the rest of your days.
No woman is ever going want to be a part of his design. And, deep down he accuses or mistreats because he knows he can’t sustain relationship “as he is”.
u The dog ate my homework. Very juvenile.
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People act like they want more say and control but anyone who blames others for their own failings is simply giving power to someone else to make change or make things better.
Even if that someone else isn't a specific person but instead a whole demographic.
They are people who have resigned themselves to a complaining role.
I don’t care if a girl or woman has her own preferences. But I just feel like women and girls today who listen to wishy washy music, drink that third wave feminism kool aid with arguments such as (you’re stronger then men, you have lady balls, relationships don’t mean anything) is toxic for female minds. I think women who watch reality shows or have this Disney fairytale mindset start to have higher expectations. This is instilled in females at a young age and then they believe it. I mean if I sat here thinking well I’m going to marry a woman who looks like Pamela Anderson on Baywatch and run down the beach in slow-Mo I’m out of my damn head. Attraction, discipline, hard work, goals are something most of us would say we want in a partner. No one is perfect and I don’t think men should blame women entirely. But I do feel bad for guys and men who keep trying with the right intention (not being creepy, not being desperate) and still get rejected. Life doesn’t always move in the straight line we want it to. There are great people, great minds in this world, who are shunned and ousted by society or small trivial things. I think we tend to judge a lot.
that's not what MGTOW is about. MGTOW men don't lack relationships or the ability to get one. they've had relationships and have been cheated on, divorced unfairly, lost all their stuff in divorce court/family court, falsely accused of rape and domestic violence etc. and there's no support system for them thus they choose to do what's best for them. nothing wrong with that.
Never said that is what MGTOW is about. That was an example given that I approve of to show context to the question at hand? Do you understand that?
Go stand with a sign if needed. You do you boo.
Exactly. Life is way easier and less stressful without long term relationships. Today’s 20-30s women are, by and large, a bundle of problems which cause a massive headache
They are being hard headed and unwilling to get out of their shells. For, if the women would just be what they expect them to be, communicate like their guy friends, manage their own hormonal swings so we don't have to learn new concepts like providing emotional support and how to handle PMS variation, do what we say, stop being emotional, stop expecting us to communicate all the time like their girlfriends and downright think like guys, there wouldn't be any problems would there.
When we start blaming other people for anything, we aren't taking responsibility for ourselves and what we can actually control. The only thing we control is ourselves, and so we can learn how women/others think and behave, learn to listen and communicate with our specific partner and how to work effectively with them... or move onto someone else as we get to know ourselves and what we can handle on a day to day basis.
This is not a gendered issue. There are men and women who always find ways to blame the opposite sex for their own problems. One of the final straws for my experience was when i stopped asking, “Why are you single?” and replaced it with “How did you contribute to the failure of your past relationships?”. The results are often astonishing early on. Then i realized women are either unwilling or unable to admit they are at least 50% responsible for their own failures.
I believe that the ways in which men blame women are different from the reverse, but it’s clear that they still do just as much blaming.
There is no issue. Men who blame women for their dating woes is just that... a choice.
That’s obviously not true! If there were no issue, almost nobody would be talking about it. It certainly wouldn’t be a staple of debate here and on every other social media platform. Ell oh ell! Content creators, dating coaches, matchmakers and dating apps would all be out of business! This is absolutely a major social issue, and has been since we moved away from arranged partnerships as the norm.
You have issues. That is true.
Hahahaha!
Don’t we all? Are you trying to present an image of flawlessness? Cuz you should know that you’re failing, if that’s the goal. Ell oh ell!
I don’t care I really don’t that’s the image
So… you’re more concerned with my issues than your own? Ell oh ell! Alrighty then!
I think they are losers. I do feel for them though since many dating woes are directly caused by how 50% or more of modern women behave. But a few women don't behave that way, and it's not women's fault if guys turn off or can't find the good ladies left. Like in my case, I started dating again and haven't found anyone yet, but it wasn't because the girls were awful or it was their fault; I just didn't like them enough to date them anymore. But it is definitely frustrating that I don't have more good options available.
First of all it´s a common reaction. Like there is surely also a number of women who had many bad relationships with guys so they call men useless, toxic or other names alltogether.
For me the talk about MGTOW has become a talk of people who have good relationships with women making fun of guys who haven´t. That´s what I hear married or taken guys talking about guys that don´t have the same successful relationships.
I sympathise with those guys in a way that I´ve never been in a long-term relationship at the age of 28. But at the same time I know why I´m single. I think what many guys in my generation lack is that many friendships are built on harmony not truth. If a guy comes to his friends and tells them his girlfriend cheated on him. Like what they call about what a b**** she is. They don´t talk about his behavior even if they think he wronged her at some point to not make him feel worse.
How shall he learn then that he´s the problem?
There are actually quite the opposite cases. Men only think about their own penis. While women listen to their hearts at first, they value money after seeing these behaviors of men. no man deserves love
NO man deserves love? You trolling me right now? lol
no this is my life experience
fascinating that your life experience leads you to believe no man deserves love? Fasncinating really
My heart was smashed by men. and from now on the man's wallet is important to me
My Dad’s been with my Mom for about 25 years. Is he unworthy of love?
@WhiteBoyChill yes i think
How so?
Women also only think about their dick and money thirst. Now how about if i say now women deserve love?
If men or women blame the opposite sex for all failed relationships then that’s ridiculous. Everyone makes mistakes and we all have to grow up and learn lessons.
by the way I totally understand people who vent or feel some bitterness after being hurt. But we all are responsible to pick ourselves up and get back out there. The mgtows often have just given up
I actually defend most MGTOWS. They have gotten up, dusted themselves off and just said FUCK IT. I am moving on alone. I respect that. It's the ones who get back up, dust themselves off and blame women the rest of their lives is who I have issues with.
“Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW /ˈmɪɡtaʊ/) is an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly-online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and from a society which they believe has been corrupted by feminism.[2] The community is a part of the manosphere, a collection of anti-feminist websites and online communities that also includes the men's rights movement, incels, and pickup artists.[3]”
If a guy is responsible for his own life and doesn’t want a partner then sure, be an adult. But not supporting incels or PUAs
I was a PUA so have nothing against the good ones. You can define MGTOW all you want doesn’t make it so. Many people like you confuse online forums and groups with reality and what people really believe.
That’s not my definition. I got that from the wiki
There are many angry, dangerous women out there, and significantly fewer calm, peaceful ones. Trying to figure out who is who is not easy for most men, and the signal-to-noise ratio is really poor in any event.
Why do some people succeed then and some don't if this is true? We should go LIVE on IG and discuss if you are willing? Done thousands of interviews to include top doctors and psychologists in the field. I will be happy to show proof, video clips etc? What do you say. It's one thing to say stuff on GAG but another to go in front of hundreds on IG?
My argument would be people don't have the ability to distinguish between drunk drivers and sober drivers either until they are killed. So stop driving? Losing a house is much worse then getting killed by a drunk driver? I would assume the risks are the same?
Look I get it. Been doing this a long time. I think your unacceptability when it comes to risk is outlandishly high. You say you don't want 100% assurance but it's damn close and you know it. You don't trust yourself to pick someone who won't screw you over. Maybe because you gotten fucked over in the past I don't know but I can tell you is you're way off with this fear. It's like when people get cancer they now become a spokesperson for the cause. Makes sense but it's just not reality.
I actually do trust myself now, but I have a lot of training and experience in assessing people which reduces my risk slightly. What I really trust myself to do to reduce my risk a lot is to stay away from women.
Also, yes, I had a really horrible experience in the past and the effects of that are still with me. Sometime I will tell you about it.
Alright fair enough. thanks for the comments.
1 in 3 men under 30 are virgins. I blame women for this. dating is hard even good looking men struggle. https://boingboing.net/2021/03/22/adult-male-virginity-soars.html
Blame them for what? Not settling?
I think we need to be sure first that they're blaming women for thier dating woes. Most guys vent as do most women. I don't blame women. But I really dislike dishonesty. And most guys know that when you ask a woman a question you'll rarely get a direct answer. If you're a guy with any experience you've just learn to accept this as an inevitability of most women most of the time. Which is why I tell guys. If it's not an enthusiastic yes, it's a no. Could she just be shy? Yeah it's possible. But the odds are greater that she's an emotional vampire. Stop wasting time with emotional vampires and put your efforts into women who rewards them. I think the biggest problem is too many guys don't learn this lesson quick enough.
Men are right, women are the ones who chose if they will date you based on your looks and how much money you make.
Women want men who are fit , very attractive and make six figures.
So yeah if a guy blames women for his dating woes he is 100% correct. Women are to blame
They are irresponsible. They refuse to change and see something is wrong with them. Blaming someone else is just another excuse to continue your shitty behavior. I have experienced this myself. I have had plenty of guys who claimed themselves as nice but they ended up asking me to sleep with them despite knowing that I am engaged to someone. Now, these men are gonna tell other people how women don’t treat them fairly when all they do is being “nice”
It's pathetic. When your relationships all fail or suck, the common denominator is you. You're the problem.
Obviously they're not a man. They have to own their mistakes and quit passing the blame to everyone else.
I think for most people, it is easier to blame someone else instead of taking accountability for your own failures.
It's like blaming the dog for eating your homework.
Really, it's just survival of the fittest, adapt or die. People who do not have the qualities or the skill set to attract a sexual partner won't reproduce, and those who can will, passing on those skills and attributes down to the next generation.
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Losers. Sorry if that is harsh, but that is what I see. It's kind of like, "Dude, that scraggily, unemployed Maynard Krebs-type (blame Tubi for my knowing that reference) gets women, so your issue is not the women."
I think everyone who thinks that everyone else is their problem is pathetic and sad.
Spoken like a truly problematic person
Blaming everybody else for your weaknesses is surely weak. Haven't heard MGTOW espouse that theory. They seem to be mostly about self determination.
I could easily blame my exs for ua ending but with my first I shoud of read the signs that she wasn't into me and with the second I should asked for confirmation she was who she said she was.
Yeah men shouldn't blame women for being women. You're essentially blaming nature for what it is. You can learn to understand true female nature without blaming or hating women
I see a lot of men doing this recently. It’s parallel to the feminists… a wave of incels. Not really very different. Sorta like the “woke vs racist” vibes
I have never blamed women and I don't intend to. It's not their fault!!
I see them as sad. Women aren't a hive mind. I blame individuals for the issues not the gender. And let me tell you there are out of 7 ex's that I have, only 2 that I blame for the situation, the rest we were both the asshole if you get my meaning.
Women expect certain things from men and unless you are very dumb or naive you tend to realize that not everyone/or no one will wanna date you unless you provide the standards they are looking for. Believing ideal relationships generally produces blaming. However, it goes both ways.
As long as i dont have to listen to it, i dont care
they simply lack the self esteem and have no accountability.
MGTOW and the Passport Movement is getting ridiculous. For those who don’t know what the Passport Movement is, it’s when men are getting their passports to leave the states to date/marry Eastern women.
More than likely hurt in the past and now every woman is to blame for their lack of courage.
I think that belief isn't their own and that their outlook on life can easily be changed by surrounding yourself with quality influences irl & on social media sites.
u just gotta accept female nature for what it is and work around it 🤷♂️ Things get better for men as we get older in terms of our SMV and status so I wouldn’t get too bitter if girls acted like shit to you when you were younger.
There are some legitimate grievances. I’d still argue though that men should just stop caring altogether.
98% of women aren’t even worthwhile
m these, are not men...
they are pussies , have little dicks and hate their moms.
It’s immature and a big red flag.
Just gormless narcissists that no one would miss if they were to die.
Just like what i think about Women who blame men for all their dating woes.
Incels and MGTOW are both the same. They both blame women.
They are generally accurate and people who shame and attack them are generally just attempting to silence the truth.
Weak and irresponsible. Just like those, who blame feminism.
cowards of course.
they fucked up... either lying or something
They are just gay men lack the confidence.
You're a master so I will give you the respect you deserve. Please explain what being GAY has to do with this question? In all do respect?
Childish and petty.
Some truth, mostly lies
They need help but refuse to admit it.
That's a huge red flag.
they are called incels.
perfectly reasonable to me
That door swings both ways. And is pointless.
Pathetic
They are weak
Realistic
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