If a guy truly loves a woman , will he accept and love her unconditionally?

[Reem12345reem]

i mean in beauty , like aging, being fat , acne, anything

[JamesDiaz11]

No.

All love aside from a mother's love is conditional- that's one thing to accept, otherwise you'll always be disappointed by the love that exists in this world.

A man is initially interested in a woman based on her looks; her character, and something intangible seals the deal. However, the primacy of looks will remain, and will to some degree be perceived as the reciprocation to his provision, security, and the reliability he provides. Thus, the equation is your value (beauty and sex) = his value (commitment, financial support, etc.), but if his value/ contributions remains constant and yours falls off (example: you get fat, let yourself go, etc.) he'll believe you're not giving something of equal value to what he's giving, which will cause his love for you to fade.

Women are often the initiators of divorce, and it's often a result of their perception of the value they offer not being matched by what the guy provides, most common is money. If he loses his job, goes to jail, etc. or she gets additional education, gets a promotion, a boob job, etc.

[Reem12345reem]

so ur saying that a woman's value is based on her looks and sex?

[JamesDiaz11]

And their fertility, yes. Is this news to you?

[MrOracle]

The majority of men realize and accept that people will age, may become injured or sick, will gain some weight, and if she has his children, that's going to have some permanent impacts on her body. As long as she is making a reasonable effort to maintain her health and beauty, most guys will have no problem. If she does nothing to care for herself and lets herself go, that's different.

But, if you go for a top 10% guy, you should expect him to be selfish and self centered, and to replace you with a younger model eventually. Leonardo Dicaprio isn't the only guy who does that - if your guy has endless options with women because he's so attractive, expect him to exercise those options. The thing is, these are the only men that most women want, so I can't feel sorry when they pursue such men and get used by them - that's to be expected.

[CelineBV]

But does it really have to be extreme attractive and very ugly guy? Why can't it be an ok looking good with good morals too?

[Subarugirl]

top 10% of guys are not self-centered and selfish. If he was than he certainly wouldn't be top 10%...

[inhua]

@CelineBV attractive guys have far more options than ugly guys. they may not exercise their options all the time but his standards for his partners are gonna be high. that means top-notch behavior and low body count otherwise he replaces them. supply and demand. basic economics.

[inhua]

@Subarugirl his status as 10% has nothing to do with morals. it has to do with his value to society whether it be social, financial or genetic.

[MrOracle]

@Subarugirl The majority of women, despite what they say, do NOT choose men based on their morals and values, but rather on his looks and societal status (which includes his career and wealth, but also celebrity). The examples of this are endless. When I say top 10%, I'm talking about the guys that the majority of women consider to be the most attractive. Looks will be an important factor, but status and income can make up for looks to some extent.

But if you pick a guy that most other women consider very attractive, you should expect him to be self-centered and to dump you, or cheat on you, as soon as he considers you to be a hassle to him. A few exceptions to this rule exist, but that would be an exception among exceptions - ultra rare.

The few women who really do choose men based on their morals and values rarely have relationship issues, but they are a small minority.

[CelineBV]

What would be a better selection. I can understand how a man's status might be important. If I were to select a poor, broke man then he's not going to be ready for marriage and kids soon. Plus, I'm not going to let a man leech off my money. Lets say he'll finally save enough money within 3-5 years later... by then, my fertility would start declining since I would either be 30 or approaching 30.
If I'm stable (financially) myself too, wouldn't expecting a stable man be logically?

[Subarugirl]

"if you pick a guy that most other women consider very attractive, you should expect him to be self-centered and to dump you, or cheat on you, as soon as he considers you to be a hassle to him"... what happened to not all men are the same?

So, you are saying that if a guy fits the societal definition of beauty, you should automatically consider him to be a cheater and a liar?
That logic doesn't track well...

What's next? If a guy has a mustache... you should automatically assume he's pedo?

[MrOracle]

When I suggest avoiding 9s and 10s, why do you immediately think that I am saying to choose 1s? No one said to date poor, ugly trolls. Must everything be one extreme or the other?

I'm suggesting that you look at guys who are 6, 7, and 8s - not the top guys that already have everything, but rather the ones who are clearly on their way, who are working hard and have a real plan. Support and build with that guy and he's very likely to achieve great success AND remain loyal and appreciative of you.

The guys who already have everything only need you for one thing, and that's all you will ever be to them, for the period of time they stay with you - which isn't likely to be very long.

[Subarugirl]

@CelineBV You should pick a guy who is on your level and who shares most of your values and goals or who's goals and values align with yours.
Who you chose should be based on many things including physical attraction and the kind of person he is.

[CelineBV]

@Subarugirl
Much better. Yeah I don't mind a 6-7 man that has my same earning, that's ok too. I'm not really asking for a celebrity nor a rich man, just someone I can be normally attracted to and whom shares similar goals.

[Subarugirl]

@CelineBV I mean as long as your goals and aspirations align and you’re attracted to each other that’s the main thing. Is ludicrous when men generalize and tell women to judge a book by its cover and tell you to expect the top 10% of the male population to be liars and cheaters.

[inhua]

@CelineBV there's nothing wrong with choosing a financially stable man. those on the side of the manosphere have been telling men to grind and become financially stable which means having to outcompete all your peers in the workforce including other men and women. whether those men choose to listen is entirely different. those on the feminist side are telling men that competition is "toxically masculine" and that it needs to be suppressed while telling women they need to work in order to not rely on man due to the prevalent fear of the man potentially being "abusive". plus there is also affirmative action to push for identity quotas in certain jobs regardless of qualifications

[MrOracle]

Most of the top 10% guys aren't even looking for a serious relationship, and many are completely open about that, but some do lie about it, sure. The problem is that lots of girls don't even have that conversation, because they want to avoid the answer because they want the lifestyle and the Instagram cred, and many assume she can change his mind. So many women burn through their 20s chasing that dream only to hit their 30s single, with tons of baggage, and having aged out. At that point, they can't even get the 6-8s, and they are bitter and angry and blame men, but it's their own fault for making poor choices when they were young and had their maximum social value.

I'm simply telling women how to win. It's up to them to decide whether to chase the fantasy at the cost of the rest of their lives, or do what is a thousand times more likely to be successful.

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Those two things have no correlation. You're attempting to make the case that if someone has traits u dont like then it lowers their value. @MrOracle is correct. Reality is one of the main traits in a top 10% man is selfishness and a self centered focus, and that is who woman chase which is why we tell guys to focus on getting into the to 10% (I say 20% but u get the point) women make the mistake in believing their metric is equal to societies metrics and evidence shows it is not.

[Subarugirl]

According to what data? Is there any actual evidence that indicates that or is the just your personal opinion?

Because I'm seeing a lot of opinions and assumptions but nothing that backs any of it up.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner Actually no, I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, but I am telling her that she should go after the kind of people she wants to be with. I know what I am doing, I dont need you to try and twist it into something else, thanks.

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl You're correct you have provided a lot of opinion "Top 10 percent of guys are not selfish" Is by definition an opinion" One in which u provided "nothing to back it up So is there some data to back hp that statement or do u only need data when you hear something that invalidates your POV?

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl TY for sharing but you're statement doesn't seem to relevant to anything I said. Are you sure u tagged the right person?

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner that’s not how quotes work because I didn’t say that… work on your reading comprehension

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Perhaps you should take your own advice as I'm quoting you or are u know admitting that selfishness is a trait of top 10% men?

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner It is ludicrous when men generalize and tell women to judge a book by its cover and tell them to expect the top 10% of the male population to be liars and cheaters... until it comes to themselves and then suddenly it's not all men.,..

[MrOracle]

It's not ALL top 10% men either, but it IS most of them. And there is a HUGELY different set of circumstances for those who are and those who aren't in that top 10%.

So many women hold out hope for that extreme exception, which most will never get, instead of accepting reality and choosing from the pool of men they can not just GET, but also KEEP. And so more and more women are failing to get real commitments today, and will not just die alone, but will spend the second half of their lives alone.

[Subarugirl]

According to what data? What data are you basing that statement on?

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl TY for sharing. I now understand your confusion. Men certainly dont tell women to "judge a book by its cover" women just naturally do. If they didn't it would probably open up opportunities for more men. However you guys can't because your so controlled by your emotions. Your own response is evidence of that. You're being told that men are only as faithful as their options and even when told by top 10% men u still refuse to accept the reality because you have an emotional tie to a disney fairytale belief.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner Mr Oracle and Inhua is.. that’s exactly what they are doing

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner I’ve never punched a whole in a wall or thrown a fit because my football team lost and somehow I’m the emotional one …. Lol okay

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Neither are doing that in fact @MrOracle has made it clear that his view isn't reflective of all men. You just don't like his POV and can't invalidate it so you have chosen to direct him directly. I told u when women don't like something the react in one of three ways.
1. Exceptions- but not all
2. Equality - men do it too
3. Emotion - who hurt you.
You are choosing #3

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Im not sure what the relevance of that is. Why are you w/ a man that punches holes in the wall?

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner Aww lol you really are bad at picking up on vibes then if you think that lol

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner I know hahah thats why it's funny

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl So you're saying you're interpreting what is said instead of actually understanding what is said?

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl If you're w/ a man that punches holes in the wall, why would that be funny?

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner violent emotional outbursts are not funny

[inhua]

@Subarugirl the more options someone has the less faithful they are likely to be. it's not that hard to grasp. loyalty isn't what makes someone attractive otherwise they'd be a lot of "attractive" broke ugly guys.

[Subarugirl]

@inhua According to what data? If you took two similar men, on was loyal and on not... the loyal one is certainly more attractive. Integrity is an attractive quality in anyone.

I mean it is widely agreed upon that women have more options for sex than men but "According to statistics for both 2018 and 2019, men are more likely to cheat than women as supported by the data from the recent General Social Survey which says that 13% of women and 20% of men admitted to having sex with someone who is not their spouse while married"

so that undermines that opinion
Maybe look at just how many "broke ugly guys" are in relationships. about 40% of people in the lower class are married. 40% is a lot for a community living in poverty.

[inhua]

@Subarugirl if those 2 similar men look like Jabba the Hutt, no woman is gonna find any of them attractive regardless if 1 of them has integrity of not. maybe if they both look like Channing Tatum then yes the 1 with integrity will be seen as more attractive

self-reported stats aren't reliable because everyone has a different definition of cheating nor is everyone willing to admit the truth. some people will blame it on alcohol, others say the sex meant nothing etc. not to mention other surveys will give you different stats

lower class =/= broke and people can and do settle, it doesn't mean there is any love there in the marriage. lower class only speaks to socio-economic but doesn't mention anything about looks which plays a part in attraction

[Subarugirl]

@inhua “ self-reported stats aren't reliable because everyone has a different definition”
Exactly. That is called confirmation bias….

[MrOracle]

@Subarugirl "If you took two similar men, on was loyal and on not... the loyal one is certainly more attractive."

How many women chase handsome, successful, popular men, even knowing that they have a history of cheating or womanizing? Women SAY they don't like this, but how many of them would jump at the chance to get with an actor, musician, athlete, or just the hunky guy in the neighborhood, even though she KNOWS he's gone through a string of women? LOTS and LOTS of women, and you know it. Of course, not EVERY woman, but the majority. When a man's status is high, most women would completely overlook his past and his behavior/attitude. This is why men roll their eyes when women say that crap.

I have a friend who was the lead singer in a local band, and got on MTV back in the 80s, but his celebrity was really just local. He very literally slept with in excess of 1000 women just in my half of county. Virtually all of those women were fully aware that he'd been with tons of girls, yet they would line up hoping he'd pick them so they could have their turn. Many of these women were in their 30s, and a few in their 40s, but most were in their 20s.

[Subarugirl]

The only kind of women chasing those kind of men are chasing what he has not him. Gold diggers and groupies. They are the minority.

Also big difference between trying to hook up with someone and date someone. You should know that

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Then why did you say it was?

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Lol, this is an excellent example of female hypocrisy. She begs for "data" when there's something she doesn't like, then dismisses it when it's provided as "un-reliable" yey has no problem claiming it's widely agreed upon that women have more options for sex" Then provided a false cheating stat. This is another perfect example of women operating in delusion.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black haha

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl No, its simply using your own actions as evidence of hypocrisy. You can't do the same for mine.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner yeah I can because I am simple using your actions as evidence of hypocrisy.

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Interesting. Please provide an example of my hypocrisy

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner telling people not to do things you do.

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Now I understand your co confusion, your giving mecthe definition of hypocrisy, I asked you to point out an example of my hypocrisy. Please share any example you have.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner reacting and responding emotionally hon.

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl You're only proving my point. If there is a tangible example of my hypocrisy please share. Simply regurgitating what I have said to you only highlights your inability to think rationally and for yourself, and isn't even applicable in fact, anyone reading would easily recognize that You're the only person bringing up the word emotion, indirectly highlighting your owb state of mind.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner you must struggle with memory, I'll refresh it.
"3. Emotion - who hurt you.
You are choosing #3"

What did you just say about highlighting you own state of mind...

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Lol, Um, you're literally making my point. For starters u need to learn to read the entire statement instead of shutting off your brain once you're emotionally triggered. Also you're only highlighting your own lack of reading comprehension. That statement is 1/3rd of a formula highlighting female behavior which u are ironically demonstrating. I'm not asking you who hurt u, I'll telling the audience that women like to use this phrase to deflect from hearing uncomfortable truths. You're literally doing this exact thing. These issues seem a bit over your head, have you considered having a man help you go over the multiple syllable words w/ you?

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner oh so I wasn't the one bringing up emotion... how do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you can't keep your own story straight haha

[Vegasrunner]

@Subarugirl Not only are you the only one bringing up emotion, you're the only one being emotional about this discussion, proof being that you're feigned confusion about women's reaction to POV's they don't like. If you weren't being emotional why did you skip 1 and 2? (@Mroracle watch the non answer) U also fail to understand my intentions, I simply use GAG as a platform to highlight behavior. I certainly wouldn't expect someone like u to learn, as stupid people make up the world to. There's no "story" to keep straight as I'm simply replying to your own actions, however your emotional immaturity has led u to spew nonsense. You're literally attempting to lie in writing simply because your POV has been proven wrong by everyone involved in this conversation.

[Subarugirl]

@Vegasrunner Except you brought it up first, and now you are lying about it. Have a little integrity.

[Subarugirl]

"However you guys can't because your so controlled by your emotions."...

[Subarugirl]

intentionally misquoting people and now out right lying.. maybe have some integrity and honesty and people will take you more seriously

[Subarugirl]

No, love is and should be conditional. The only love that should be unconditional, is the love for a child.

Changes of appearance is normal and happens with age... You dont just stop loving someone just because you grew old together, if that does happen there is something else.

[Guy13]

This sort character and personality, in either a man or woman, is discovered in time. It is highly likely that the guy will have his own insecurities. The right fit, with a knowledge of one another, negotiates this kind of thing.
It is not an easy find though.

[Vcent]

Yes. If he truly loves her the things you mention will never affect his feelings for her. However, if she drastically changes her personality or start cheating things can change in his love for her.
Cause true love is deeply rooted in trust and honesty not in beauty or physical appearance.

Physical appearance plays its roll in the very beginning… before the first hello… after that it becomes a secondary thing and with time it loses its power. Cause emotional connection will boost how you see the person physically too.

And when it’s true love he will always think that woman is the most beautiful woman in the world, even if she loses her face in a fire and gains 200kg.

[UmbrusNightshade]

Yes and no. Overall he’ll support you and look past flaws but that doesn’t mean he should keep his mouth shut if something you do bothers him. For example, I’ve been fat/obese since I was in third grade. I could definitely accept a bigger woman if she had the right qualities but for almost half a year now I’ve changed my diet and have been working out, doing a body recomp … for personal and health reasons. I couldn’t be with a woman who tried to undermine or talk me out of the changes I’ve made and she’d have to be willing to make changes herself or I couldn’t be with her. I couldn’t sit by and watch her health get worse while mine is improving.


It just depends is really the best answer.

[Lionman95]

No I wouldn´t call it unconditionally but mutually. There are things that are included in true love from a guy´s side like her knowing that she won´t stay the same all over her life, knowing that pregnancy or other factors will change her body.
It involves knowing that there will be moments where she might insurance that her man still loves her.
But that doesn´t mean it´s unconditional because there are things that are involved in that such as lying or using him, cheating and treating him bad through humiliating in front of others for instance.
There is a relationship that is the condition that both partners share with their gift and talents the goal of living as long as possible together helping each other fulling a dream or vision of life they have.
If that condition is broken the love relationship is over.

[TrillXHippy]

I’ve seen men be in relationships with those exact women that you mentioned so I don't know what you’re talking about. You need to start realizing how much men don’t care about a girl being fat, if she has acne, if she’s short or if she’s poor. My brother has kids with a girl who you could consider is fat (I’m not gonna talk about her weight or judge her), is short and had acne (probably has acne again), technically is poor. You’ll see more men with women like that than more women with men like that

[Searider]

It depends on the guy. There are plenty of men that stay happy and love their spouse/girlfriend when life changes happen. Personally, I have no problem at all with it. For example, my wife has gained a significant amount of weight since we were married last year. I love her just the same. I had a major accident and now walk with a cane. That didn’t change how she felt about me.

I see that you are young. Just don’t put up with anyone that treats you bad in your future relationships. You’ll know when the right one comes along that loves you for you.

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes, he will! Although he will probably prefer you to work out and try to get in better shape. You don't have to be perfect. You just have to try.

(Then again I realize that you're 15 and you're probably sensitive to what people think about how you look. So I want to assure you that you are a valuable, amazing person. And you should never let anything like that make you think any less of yourself.)

[TheSpaceGnome]

If you are ok with your SO becoming unhealthy, and do not push them to reverse things like obesity, aging, acne infections, etc., then you either do not actually care about them, or you are ignorant to science. ("you" being the general public).

[SnowedIn]

Yes! My wife and I have been married for 23 years. Neither of us is Instagram worthy.

All of us age. Change. Break down. A man will love you regardless.

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily. Unconditionally means w out restrictions, no limits. A man isn’t going to love a girl unconditionally if she’s always cheating, if she goes against his morals or values as far as what he wants in a partner. As for looks, he may or may not stay w her.

[Keishio]

No. If she develops unhealthy addictions (gambling, drugs, food) that won't work. If there are personality changes becoming argumentative or aggressive then that won't work either. You can love someone unconditionally without maintaining a relationship though. The knly example I could think would be children. If your child did something completely abhorrent you would be heart broken because you will always love them but you could no longer maintain any relationship with them

[Sixgunsound]

No. If you truly love someone you want them to better themselves. Accepting stagnation or regression means you don't care or are a coward.

[slatyb]

There is no such thing as unconditional love. We can accept what we have seen, but there are always some deal-breakers.

[OddBeMe]

Unconditionally is technically unachievable as we set conditions everyday like computers.

But yes, loving couples tend to overlook sophomoric issues like fat or acne. Using up all the Wi-Fi while I’m playing Red Dead, hell nah.

[bamesjond0069]

No. No such thing as unconditional love. If there was certainly I could punch my girl in the face and she wouldn't love me any less. This is not how relationships work. It's nonsense dream land shit.

[bowenw]

I believe most guys are not superficial and realize people, including themselves, will change in appearance over time.

[exitseven]

Everyone gets old. I do not look the same either but I do not think my wife is getting ready to trade me in.

[inhua]

only if she is willing to accept and love him unconditionally

[magiusX26]

that is how it has worked out for thousands of years. thing is the reverse hasn't.

[notwoke]

will a woman who loves a man accept him unconditionally like when he doesn't hold down a job or lays around drinking beer all day?

[Heolurt]

Yes because women, children and animals are always loved unconditionally but guys will never be.

[Reem12345reem]

who told u that , u like to play the role of the victim don't yaa

[Heolurt]

I'm not victim but it's a fact, heard it my entire life.

[Reem12345reem]

it's bc u don't think that u deserve that kind of love , if u believed that ur worthy of that love , then the right person will love u like that

[Heolurt]

Oh you are so very wrong on that, so very wrong. I never used to think like that until the world showed me I'm not worthy of that. Someone with my face just isn't and if you saw my face you'd be like everyone else and look at me with such a negative expression, I'm used to it, my experiences have made me a realist and as one I know that not everyone gets that at all in their life and I happen to be one.

[Reem12345reem]

Im sorry u experienced that but if ur ugly that doesn't mean that ur not worthy of love , if someone really loved u they wouldn't care about ur face , u just didn't find the right one

[Heolurt]

I gave up trying a long time ago, it's not something that can happen for me and I have accepted that.

[KrakenAttackin]

A man will accept far more and love more than women ever will.

[driven159]

That is the way it should be but all you have to do is look around you.

[Anonymous]

Yes and this isn't gender specific. It's not only men that might only love conditionally. It depends on the individual.

[Reem12345reem]

A woman will love a man unconditionally (poor, ugly, short) but a man won't accept to be with an ugly woman or if she got old he'll most likely cheat

[Opinion Owner]

You're only 15 and you already sound like an incel. Many men also complain about the same things (will any girl be with/marry an ugly guy?) Because they think she won't.

Also, that is such an unpopular opinion. Almost everyone knows that looks matter just as much to either men or women. And many women actually prefer shorter men over taller because they physically find that height more attractive.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't know where you get this idea that men don't love "unconditionally". Those are actually "conditions" they actually find attractive that you don't duh 🙄. What's short, ugly, or poor to you is what they actually find physically attractive. And you sound shallow because you're mentioning looks.

[Reem12345reem]

okay ty 💗

[Opinion Owner]

Yes I hope that's good news for you.

[Anonymous]

Fuck no.

women are in a perpetual state of looking for a better option, so why should a man put up with a girl getting fat?

[Cheerfull009]

No unconditional love, every consider some qualities

[serious]

Truly unconditional love does not exist.

[Mansearching]

Yes. Only answer I have.

[In_Trance]

Some will, most won't

[maxritan]

Yes pm me for more inf0

[rabbitzzz]

Yes,

[clampfan101]

Yes.

[Iron_Man]

Yes….

[Bklynbadboy12]

Yes he will