1 yThe key word here is most. Most men date for sex. They mainly date down because the main thing they want is sex above any other traits. There are more down women than up women on average. There are men that have sex with women they don't even like, just for the sex & the women only have to be passable enough to turn the guy on for sex to occur. See, it's kinda hard to say about women because I'd have to know if most women like to slum-it-up with bad boys' toxicity or not. Guys will boldly say they want sex, while women hold their reputations close to their hearts & say they want a nice guy & we'll never know how many are lying just to keep up appearances. I want to say that most women on average are more selective than what I said about men above, but I don't know. It basically comes down to women slumming with bad boys vs. men wanting sex. Which has the most people in their group? I wanna say the men have it, but who knows?🤷
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1 yIf I'm "dating down" then I'm probably not going to be dating you for long. Depends on how you are defining it though. Almost always I've made more money, but I don't care about her money so it's irrelevant what she makes. I've dated models, and I've never modeled, so you could argue they're more attractive than me, but I was the one who grew tired of them because they didn't have enough to offer outside of their looks, so I'd hardly call that "dating up."
Overall "what they bring to the table" would have to be pretty comparable to the amount that I do, or I'm not going to see reason to commit to her. If she's bringing a truckload MORE to the table than I am, honestly I can't imagine what that would look like unless she's designing prosthetics for injured critters or something, and I haven't met that person.
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Anonymous(30-35)1 yMy self as a 30 year old woman. I had open my eyes and realized how unchristian , immature , womanizers and mommas boy millenial guys can be. I dated guys my own age what did I get MISTREATED! in the past even married Aa guy my age guess what one day out of no where just out of the blue over night he chaged decided he wanted some other woman and left me. Guys my age don't have a relationship with the Lord which means they are not spiritually strong. And every problem and issue they tell mommy. I noticed guys in their 40s are more mature and spiritually strong and christian. When I met my husband I noticed hiw mature he is and how strong beautiful his devotion to the Lord. I don't care what people say but my now husband ge 46 and I am 30 we can spend hours talking I dont have to deal with chidlish goofy behavior. And the sex is really strong and we have a strong bound something I never had with a guy my own age.
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1 yWomen date up financially but date down looks wise. I'd say its the opposite for men.
If possible, women should try date a guy cleaner/more tidy than her since he's less likely to nag. On the flip side, women would be perfectly fine dating a guy less active/present on social media than her.31 Reply
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1.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Nah, not even close. Most women date men they know very well are not good value, or they have no business even being with such guys, and then they go on to marry and later divorce these men. Many women also have relationships with men who are cheating on their wives and some of these women even have the twisted belief that they can or will win a love war and steal that man from his wife.
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@pethouse My answer is still the same. But would it really be dating down for a man to date a woman who is financially inferior to him? Seems to be most people still expect a man to be a higher breadwinner, or at least an equal one. Can't see dating a woman who makes less or has a low status as meaning I'm dating down. And yeah, you still have a lot of women who are dating men with no job and driving them around, it's pathetic.
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@ManOnFire I disagree, most women date men that are out of their league while most men settle for what they can get. That's one of the reasons women are always complaining about getting cheated on while guys are always complaining about not being able to find a woman.
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@Vegasrunner Mmmmmm... I would say that's both true and untrue. I don't think too many women are dating guys out of their league, I think they just wish they were. Which is why you have so many women on dating sites hoping to find some top notch dude who looks like a doctor out of Grey's Anatomy, and then not finding it. True that guys are always complaining about not being able to find a woman.
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@ManOnFire I made a mistake, I didn't mean "date" in the traditional sense I'm using that term to include all forms of relationships hook ups, friends with benefits, traditional dating etc. I agree w/ you about women "wishing that a guy out of their league committed to just them.
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@Vegasrunner Gotcha. Yeah, women definitely do want to hookup up with higher "value" men if they could. Absolutely true.
For the most part yes, since women have so many options they are more likely to always want the best of the best, and with social media in the mix now it makes everyone think the grass is always greener so they dont want to "settle" even if the guy is in their league. Also, the things they are attracted to typically not all men have. As for men since they typically dont have many options and the things they look for most women have they typically dont mind dating down, across, or up.
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I don’t have so many options
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@hsshannah96 I agree it's different from having general options vs options you want. The truth is there are people there who would give you a chance but you won't give them a chance. Most men dont have general options AND viable options. That is where the discrepancy comes into play
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Here’s the thing. They wouldn’t want a chance cause they’d get the emotional chance but not the sexual one
At this point I think the fact that women date up has been proved by science. At least until they turn 30 and realize they don't have the options they used to have.
As for men, it's tough for them to date at all unless they fall into the "hot" category. And this has completely changed from when I was younger, i. e. pre-Tinder when people would just meet up socially and date someone at their own level because there were fewer options and less of a hook-up culture. Indeed men would date up or down depending on their level of confidence and the quality of their "game", whereas now it's purely about looks.
00 Reply1.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. I would say no mostly because in modern days it´s harder to say what´s dating down or up means. The time where women didn´t work or only worked in low status and paid job like as a secretary are over at least in my area. The question of what people rank in terms of attractiveness are highly subject in my experience. To me this rule is too stereotypical.
00 ReplyYes it is true, most fairly attractive women have the option to date up no matter what financial status they have. Men donāt necessarily date down though because a womanās equivalent to a manās financial status is their attractiveness.
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1 yI voted No unless you mean literally, as women shorter than my height (I'm 6ft to 6ft 1) have a few times flirted with me or come onto me. And I look as I look. And they usually had cleaner skin than me, no acne scars, probably average to above average looks minimal makeup. Hot 🔥🥵 even if they had average bodies you know, nothing fancy like assets or frontal features that were eye grabbing or from behind 😃👀👀😭😴🫣
01 ReplyThat said, I'm just slim fit and small biceps, so it's not like my six pack was driving them in, I for one must've attracted them with my mysterious allure and average looks Mr Average or Mr Ordinary 😆😐
1.6K opinions shared on Dating topic. How can anyone believe such a thing? People date those that they are attracted to no matter what others think of them. Society want you to believe one person is above or below another but you heart says differently. To your heart all whom you date are no better or no worse, only loved by youā¦.
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Men and women have different mating strategies. For long-term relationships, it probably balances out where the best marry the best down to average marrying average. However, that doesnāt apply to a one-night stand per healthland.time.com/.../
In a confirmation of persistent stereotypes, an international team of psychologists have determined that when it comes to one-night stands, men have much lower standards than women do. The study, published in the journal Human Nature, revealed that when asked whether they would āgo out with,ā āgo home with,ā or āgo to bed with,ā a member of the opposite sex, men were universally more willing than their female counterparts, regardless of how attractive the potential partner was. Women, in contrast, were much more pickyāagreeing to head home or sleep with men only if they were very good looking.
935 opinions shared on Dating topic. That's what I've heard at least. That women tend to prefer to date someone who's on the same level as them or higher. And men aren't the childbearers of the species so we aren't often like that.
11 Reply2.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. When it comes to penis size, yes, most guys date girls who don't even have a penis. But apart from that there's not really an agreed to "up" or "down" direction for such comparisons.
00 Reply302 opinions shared on Dating topic. I'd say this is true when it comes to Sex, maybe not so much as dating. Depends on the person.
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1 yYep for the most part, thereās always exceptions sure. I was saying this the other day, a rich handsome guy would still date a waitress but a rich pretty woman wouldnāt look twice at a bus boy, unless she was like a weird cougar or something lol
00 ReplySo the high value man has more good traits than a high value woman?
Who will the best woman date?
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1 yItās called hypergamy. Seriously why do you see hordes of female groupies vs male groupies when musicians perform?
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1 yWe usually date in our own leagues. Money wise women can date up but not usually looks wise.
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Anonymous(25-29)1 yI think girls usually date down. for example, a girl that's an 8 is going to date a guy that is probably a 6-7. if it's higher than that she might feel insecure about herself when they are together or among other people.
01 Reply4.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. Iād say opposite. Which is why the media, like sitcoms, shows men ādatingā up. Because itās fantasy.
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They look equals in the looks department
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Both pairs look average to me
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They don't look like models.
The lady from King of Queens was really pretty when she was skinny but then she gained weight and looks kinda average now.
1 ySince I never get likes on dating apps, yes I would say they do. If conventionally unattractive women wanted to date me they would have sent me messages and given me likes on those apps by now.
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1 yI date down cause the more attractive ones donāt want me so yes, Iām a girl and I date down
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1 yYes.
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You said "most" and that is true. That excludes every fucker that answers with a "no true Scotsman" argument and every chick that says "I'm not like that" as if that is a "therefore" worthwhile argument to make...
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Some might argue that being tied to the rafters is "dating down" while a whipping stool is "dating up." It all depends on how the folks involved perceive these practices.
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1 yNo idea. I date whom I like if she says "Yes." I generally make far more than they do, but have dated a few who made considerably more (all were attorneys). All of them are better looking than I am in my opinion.
00 Reply I don't think you can really separate it that easily. Like personally I have a some goals in life which I of course hope to share with a partner, but I'd be a lot more inclined to date upwards financially, if it meant dating down lookwise āŗļø
10 ReplyI don't know what that means like Jesus I actually don't know what that means let me look it up real quick
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Anonymous(36-45)1 yIf we're talking economically, the evidence points pretty clearly to "yes." Same if we're talking about height!
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1 yAccording to sit-coms, men date up and women date down! Just look at George Costanza, Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, the men from Modern Family, The Jim Gaffigan Show, King of Queens...
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Yes according to sit coms which are comedy because they aren’t reality.
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@noemiii he's obese and as dumb as a box of hair
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@noemiii yeah I don’t see “super” unattractive men with hot women unless the the guy is rich and/or famous. I agree on that one. But every once in a while I see average looking guys pull attractive woman because those guys have some sort of emotional leverage/angle. It used to drive me nuts when I was younger but nowadays I say “well I will give credit where credit is due”.
But all in all women will always have any advantage over men in dating when all else is equal. You take a man and woman who are both 7s and both make respectable incomes (not rich but enough to be independent) and the woman will have a huge advantage over the guy. Female sexuality in itself is of intrinsic value. Male sexuality isn’t. A man is valued by his AGENCY i. e. what he is able to do and accomplish. A woman is more valued JUST for existing compared to a man when all else equal.
Anyway this is never going to change. And I am not complaining about it believing it will change woman’s minds on dating because it will never all.
However I just wish women could acknowledge of the very real advantage they have over men when it comes to all this. Seems most of them don’t realize it and/or they pretend it doesn’t exist. Like acknowledging it would somehow make the privilege go away. It won’t. If they did acknowledge it then they would think twice about HOW they reject men. Not saying have to date men they don’t find attractive (that’s delusional) but they would think harder about HOW they reject men. They would have more respect for men that approach them (that they don’t find attractive). They would respect what men have to deal with.
They wouldn’t naively assume that their make equivalents dating life is the same as hers. It isn’t. That’s the issue I have. - 1 y
@blueonblack22 Average and unattractive are two different things though. This guy was comparing relatively overweight and unattractive men, most of which were cartoons and made simply for the fact that itās a funny comedic dynamic, kind of like the generic cartoon bully is created to look.
Anyways, all of that extra stuff you wrote, I wonāt acknowledge because you are only assuming I think the latter. I think you should take a look at my answer on this thread because I said the same exact thing. And if you are simply talking to some other imaginary woman who might read this, please do it on your own time. - 1 y
@noemiii yeah it was a waste of key strokes, wasn’t it? But that actually confirms my entire point sadly.
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@blueonblack22 Your point wasnāt confirmed itās common knowledge. There wouldnāt be a point of women being able to be with men financially if men with finances didnāt choose these women, you understand this right?
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@noemiii yes it’s common knowledge that women seek out men to provide and protect them. That’s biological. Why do you think I’m working two jobs right now and looking to get ahead? My career and money are number one. If I don’t have that then I don’t have anything.
The thing is that is no longer necessary in modern western society. But it’s still a requirement for most women and that’s due to evolutionary behavior. But it also creates a sh*tload of confusion, contradiction, etc for both genders. - 1 y
@blueonblack22 Not necessary, says who? Thereās PLENTY of men out here who still donāt mind providing for women financially, you understand that, right? Plenty of men who still use their finances to get women. Itās not necessary for YOU because itās not convenient for YOU. A lot of modern day men donāt want to provide, but wants a woman who has the same characteristics of the traditional woman. This is only not necessary because you arenāt financially ahead. But for a man who is, he doesnāt have the same mindset hence why, the continuation of women dating for finances still exists.
So funny how a man can require a woman to look a certain way physically, as by the evolutionary behavior, but youāre saying that women canāt require a man to have finances? Negating the fact that there are plenty of men out here who WOULD pay for a womanās entire existence. Negating the fact that if you are with a decently attractive woman trying to convince her to go 50/50, she has the option to go to a financially secure man who would pay for everything. Iām sure you have physical requirements for the woman you date that exceed your tax bracket, and if you had a more secure financial situation, youād go for these women. Yet a woman, who has historically dated men who are financially secure, can not have these requirements? Right. - 1 y
@blueonblack22 Your argument is the same as me being a physically unappealing woman with several children, in a society where there are plenty of attractive women, but wanting the wealthy man to still prefer them because times have changed and all men should lower their standards. No, you want the standards to lower because YOU donāt benefit from them. There are plenty of attractive women (financially stable) men on this earth that keep this dynamic air tight. You not being financially secure is the equivalent of a woman not being physically attractive but still demanding the same treatment as a woman who keeps herself together.
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@noemiii actually I am a homeowner and I make a decent money. Not rich but definitely not a bun. . Also I am in excellent shape and I got all my hair. But I can tell you right now my female equivalent would have a much easier time when it comes to dating EVEN if she was my exact same age.
Anyway I don’t expect you to get what I am saying. Nor am I arguing thinking the world will magically change for me by complaining. It won’t. But the only thing I want is for women to acknowledge the difference here. Acknowledging the difference isn’t the same as changing it.
And am not comparing a handsome 25 year old man to an average looking 35 year old woman. No I am comparing direct apples to apples. Women do enjoy an intrinsic value there when all else is even. It’s the difference is pronounced when you compare say a 27 year old average guy to a 27 year old average girl (both 7s…. semi attractive). But the difference still exists later in life IF all else is even (looks, money, etc?). Women do have an inherent advantage in dating there. - 1 y
@blueonblack22 Like I said, itās been stated plenty of times that women do. I literally wrote that and I agreed with it. But you are not understanding that this dynamic exists BECAUSE there are men who WILL pay for a womanās lifestyle.. it wouldnāt exist if there werenāt men who would. You donāt want to be that man, but another man will. Women with attractiveness do not have to settle for a man with no finances, just like a man with finances doesnāt have to settle for a woman with no attractiveness.
I am not understanding what you are complaining about or what complaining does. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder at the benefits women have, when it is your fellow man supplying these women with the benefits. The only reason an OnlyFans model would have a successful career is because there are men willing to pay for it. It all starts with a man.
Of course a woman would have the advantage in dating because men are sex fueled. Quite obviously. You want to put the blame on the woman but wonāt acknowledge that you, in comparison to a man out here making 6 to 7 figures, will feel inadequate. Men who have plenty of money do not complain about women. I have a friend right now who left her boyfriend, whom didnāt want to pay anything and was similar to you, complaining about finances, for a man making 6 figures and now she pays nothing. Why settle? - 1 y
@blueonblack22 No offense, but you seem whiny. Itās not really the trait of a man most women would want either, a man who constantly nags about the inequality of a woman. If you want the benefits why donāt you consider becoming a woman yourself.
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@OtterMan68 Ah! But! However! The character of Homer Simpson was based on Matt Groening's dad. Homer married his childhood sweetheart, which is something that used to happen. Imagine if Marge had access to Tinder. In modern society Homer wouldn't be able to get a job, much less a date.
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1 yThere's some truth to that but that's not the norm.
People date and marry within their social economic class since since those are the people they mostly hanging around or come in contact with most often.02 Reply- 1 y
What about spiritual or date people in the same religion?
@Alwayreckles93: True as well.
5.7K opinions shared on Dating topic. Yes. Hypergamy causes women to date up if they can. Men date down because doing so makes it easier to obtain sex. Given that women want money and status and men want sex, this all makes sense.
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1 yWoman who are pretty with self respect, great male influences and intelligent date up.
Ugly women usually date down and have low self esteem.10 ReplyI don't care about a woman's financial status as long as she is hygienic. I tend to date up or same as with looks though since I can talk to people
00 Reply1.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Yes. An average woman won't date an average man but an average man will date an average woman. Women are much selective which is fine. But this statement holds true
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1 yAlmost. Women date up and only date up. While men either date the middle ground or not at all.
00 Reply 10.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. No statistically most date in theor own brackets
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Anonymous(45 Plus)1 yWomen WANT to date up, they always want the bigger better deal.
Men DO NOT CARE if they are dating Up, Level, or Down
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1 yAbsolutely yes!
Dont believe me compare menās standards to womenās
00 Reply I date sideways or on my back.
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1 yMen are the ones who date women who work at low income jobs like working at a diner or a fast-food place. Women date men with high income jobs.
01 ReplyWhen I first started dating my boyfriend he didn’t even have a job 😭 lmao now we’re both broke working in warehouse trying to move out
1 ywell, men love themselves more than anything so they date down and women are greedy to get things so they date up. easy and simple
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men fuck dogs and women suck king
Women dating men who are abusive types isn’t really dating up though. It’s then choosing a man because he is a cool bad boy type and making a bad choice in the process.
2.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Nope the opposite happens more often
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Financially or looks doesn't even matter. Women will date men simply because they have a good sense of humor. On the other side men will not settle just for a woman's personality. She needs looks, money, something else that brings them in. They constantly date complete bitches of women then complain or cheat on them. Men almost always date up because their standards are higher for everything
2K opinions shared on Dating topic. They do, and most studies already show it.
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Anonymous(25-29)1 yI've always dated down💀
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1 yNo I never heard of that
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1 yi be datin sideways
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