What qualities do you think a man should have to be a suitable partner for a high achieving woman?

[MzAsh]

Do these qualities differ from those expected in women for their male counterparts?

[MrOracle]

When you say "high-achieving", it suggests that you believe that men value women's education, degrees, careers, income, or status, but that's not the case. Those are things that women value in men, but the reverse is not true.

What men find valuable in women is youth, fertility, femininity, chastity, inexperience/innocence, cooperation, and nurturing. Those are the things that "high value" men (as defined by women) are looking for, and what most women perceive as "achievements" today are seen as NEGATIVE value by men. This is not just my opinion - this would be just as true had I never existed, and these are things that mothers and grandmothers used to teach their daughters and granddaughters.

Instead, generations of women have been taught Feminism, but Feminism has resulted in huge numbers of women being single and childless, and those numbers are growing, and women are less and less happy (not so much the younger women who are living with little responsibility, but the older women who no longer get much attention and regret not having a family). Modern women are the most medicated and most mentally ill people that have ever lived, and much of that is a result of the cognitive dissonance that results from Feminism.

[MzAsh]

High achieving women today are redefining what they value in men. When she’s the breadwinner, whats in demand is *his* cooperation, loyalty, and genuine support. Men’s roles are evolving and those who understand this are the ones who find themselves valued and essential in modern relationships.

With rising cases of unhealthy coping behaviors in men like excessive drinking and drug use, video games, porn, and violence, it’s clear there’s a crisis. Aside from economic shifts, men are struggling to redefine their value now that women are increasingly self sufficient and successful.

Good news is that men are still incredibly valuable in modern relationships, but just in different ways, like supporting her business, being more involved in responsibilities at home, or being emotionally available… men have plenty to offer. They just have to adapt to these new dynamics.

[MrOracle]

Yeah, those aren't men, those are simps. And women largely don't want simps.

Most men don't have any desire for THAT kind of relationship, and women definitely don't lust after simps - the more successful they are, the MORE they tend to want more masculine, strong, leader-type men.

[MzAsh]

Many of my clients, successful women, specifically seek out men who are secure enough in their masculinity to offer genuine support and partnership. They often realize that you can’t have two strong alpha dogs in the same relationship because they clash. The men who thrive in these relationships understand that being supportive isn’t about sacrificing strength but redefining it. They’re the unsung heroes who make the effort to see to it that their relationships are stable, loving, and respectful. This kind of emotional intelligence and flexibility is exactly what makes them indispensable and deeply attractive to high achieving women who are taking the smart approach.

[MrOracle]

I wish them luck.

[MzAsh]

It’s not luck, it’s strategy. As a high achieving woman happily in a 17-year marriage, I know it’s about valuing traits in a partner that go beyond traditional expectations. These experiences prove it’s less about competing and more about supporting each other’s successes

[blueonblack22]

@MzAsh “ High achieving women today are redefining what they value in men”

That’s because they HAVE TO. But do you really believe we can defy thousands of years of evolution with 50 years of feminism and there won’t be negative consequences?

I’m sure you have had a few success stories and I know you work in psychotherapy. That’s great.

But statistically singlehood rates are at record highs. And you are right about men falling into unhealthful behaviors (drugs, porn, gambling, etc).

[MzAsh]

Valuing men only for their protector and provider capabilities alone was never enough. There are so many other things in a man (and women) a relationship needs to succeed.

[blueonblack22]

A “high achieving”woman.

We live in 2024. Any woman living in a western country can be fully independent if she really wants to and puts in the hard work. There just as many if not more opportunities for women nowadays. And I am completely fine with it and so are most western men.

But the problem I have is when women say “oh I am a woman, I got this high paying career despite living in a patriarchal society. Look at me! I’m special!” That bs is what men can’t stand.

And many women including the high income earners still expect to date/marry a man who makes more then them. Women generally have higher standards for the men they date then they have for themselves

That isn’t to say she should marry a bum. But if he makes 80k and she makes 150k, who cares? He could still make it on his own if he had too.

[MzAsh]

It’s interesting to consider whether women who prioritize a man’s earnings, even when they themselves are high earners, have truly experienced relationships with higher earning men. From my experience, a successful relationship requires much more than a big paycheck. Loyalty, cooperation, respect, empathy, emotional intelligence, and strong communication skills are critical. A man might be a millionaire, but without these soft skills, his value as a partner diminishes significantly.

[EricaParruzzo]

@MzAsh why does questions even exist? Honestly
For centuries, men were expected to be the primary breadwinners, taking care of their families and leading the household. But, fast forward to the women's liberation movement of the 1970s, and everything changed!
We, as women, began breaking glass ceilings and rocking the business world. By 2009, we'd made tremendous progress, and today, we're crushing it in the workplace, often earning more than our male counterparts.
As an Italian girl from Brooklyn, NY, I've seen this traditional mindset persist in my community - men are still expected to be the main providers. But here's the thing: many American women still hold onto this expectation.
Let's be real, ladies. We don't typically date down, and we often seek partners who match or exceed our financial stability. So, my question is: why do we still wonder why men feel pressured to be the primary breadwinners?
It's time to acknowledge our own empowerment and the shifting dynamics in relationships. What are your thoughts, ladies?"

[MzAsh]

Well, that’s why this question exists. I’m trying to get people to think about what else a man brings to the table, rather than his paycheck.

[EricaParruzzo]

The women I know will slam you hard because they have traditional expectations. Most Americans have. Traditional expectations of what They think a man should be. Poor fellas

[MzAsh]

Oh I know. But how many of them last? Mens soft skills matter big time.

[EricaParruzzo]

Truth is , why can't control everything. We are women. We don't have all the power we Pretend to have.

[EricaParruzzo]

Also men think we Devalue them and think we self caring, most men think we hate them and that all we want to is Sabotage them. So good luck.. we need to show them that "some" of us do care about them. And that "some" of us do love them

[blueonblack22]

@EricaParruzzo THANK YOU. Thank you.

[blueonblack22]

@EricaParruzzo a lot of modern women believe that everything is a zero sum gain. So if they acknowledge their privileges and/or their own double standards they stand to “lose something”. Like men won’t notice if they deny these issues and pretend they don’t exist.

But men are noticing. And when you disenfranchise men you ultimately harm women. Reason being is Mother Nature intended to bind women and men together for companionship and reproduction.

But when women speak up about the feminist bs it actually makes many men more open minded about female issues. Reason being it’s a RESPECT issue for men. Lack of respect is what we are most angry about in modern society.

[MzAsh]

I get that too. But you have to know that feminism happened because there was such a lack of respect for women. And so many men are wanting to go back? Back to a time when women were servile and selfless. We’re not going back there. We can learn to respect each others achievements, and learn to be flexible in what we value in each other. This ties into the underlying message of my initial question here.

[blueonblack22]

“ And so many men are wanting to go back?”

If this really was how the majority of men think then feminism would of never taken off to begin with.

Men CREATED and built a civilization that afforded opportunities to women. We ENABLED women to make progress.

If men really wanted to we could of quashed all feminism and everything would go back to how it used to be. But most of us don’t want that. If we did then we wouldn’t be were we are today.

It’s a really bad assumption that most men naturally want women to be “servile”. But now women are getting what they “say” they want and yet many of them are miserable (and they are making lots of men miserable in the process).

That’s not the man’s fault.

[blueonblack22]

Also the question where we go from here is very difficult. I highly doubt we will ever return to a fully traditional society UNLESS there was a dystopian civilization breakdown where physical strength and combativeness determined survival. Most men don’t really want that. It was use after all who built modern society.

So women need to step up their game given the new modern world we live in when it comes to relationships and romance. This includes approaching men, not fixating on his financial resources, controlling their emotions (when it makes them do something stupid/selfish/unfair, etc.)

Some women are capable of doing that but truth be told it’s very difficult for most of them. They are having to defy and control their evolutionary instincts.

However men ARE controlling their “instincts”. For example we are very easily visually stimulated. But now we know there can be severe repercussions if we step out of line. For example a 45 year old man cat calling a random 19 year old woman won’t be tolerated like it once was (nor should it be).

But women are still getting too much leeway on their negative behaviors towards men in modern society. THAT needs to be called out and dealt with.

[MzAsh]

Women have driven the feminist movement through sheer force of will, not because they were graciously allowed to by men. Plenty of men today are trying to roll the clock back, and failing. Look at the efforts to overturn Roe v. Wade, despite the policy being on paper, women are still finding ways to maintain control over their pregnancies via the dark market, just like The Janes did in the 70s. Abortion rates are up significantly. So, you keep holding onto that narrative if it comforts you, but that is part of the kind of thinking that keeps feminism so relevant and necessary even today.

Modern women can absolutely find happiness easily IF they know what they’re doing. Most of the miserable ones don’t have the right approach, which is what I coach around. With the right strategy, it’s completely doable.

[MzAsh]

Cont.

I agree that women do need to step up their game, but in certain ways. Given that women often have plenty of options in dating due to the nature of relationships today, why approach when so many are approaching us? It’s not necessary to make the first move when we can instead focus on being selective about who we interact with.

Instead, women should concentrate on increasing their value through education, life skills, and income, which will help in becoming less dependent on men to cover expenses and allows women to afford their own lifestyles. This independence changes how they are perceived and treated in relationships.

Emotional regulation and stoicism are vital too. Women need to practice managing their emotions effectively, and seeing to it that they don’t act impulsively in ways that could undermine their long term happiness.

And when it comes to choosing partners, women need to get ruthless about vetting men’s soft skills, like their respect, loyalty, cooperation, and supportiveness. This focus will make sure that we only maintain relationships with men who genuinely add value and meet our standards.

[blueonblack22]

@MzAsh I agree with a few points you said above but not definitely not all. I stand firm about sympathetic men who supported and enabled feminism to progress. It was men who passed the 19th amendment that gave women the right to vote.

But again this new “modern” society is at great odds with thousands of years of evolutionary instincts. And just because you and some are comfortable with role reversals that doesn’t mean you speak for all women. In fact you are really speaking for a minority of them.

Now is there a clean cut approach to this? Clear path forward? I have strong doubts. But what modern society is doing right now is NOT making men and women happy and fulfilled. Singlehood rates are sky high and that is NOT good for men or women. Things need to change.

[MzAsh]

I appreciate your acknowledgment of some points, but let’s clarify a few things. It’s true that men passed the 19th Amendment, but suggesting that feminism was merely “enabled” by men is a slap in the face to the decades of activism by women who tirelessly campaigned for those rights. Their efforts were the driving force.

As for the current societal challenges, it’s true that not all women desire role reversals, and I never claimed to speak for all. However, advocating for options and flexibility in roles does not mean overturning them entirely. It means offering choices that align with their needs and aspirations.

The rise in singlehood doesn’t inherently mean unhappiness. It often reflects a shift towards more thoughtful partner selection and a refusal to settle for less than what one deserves. Change is indeed necessary, but perhaps not in the way of reverting to old norms. Instead, we should focus on laying down a foundations where both men and women can openly define and pursue their version of fulfillment without being constrained by outdated expectations.

[blueonblack22]

I personally believe these trends are only going to get worse and involuntary singlehood is NOT good for men or women. But statistically over 60% of American men under the age of 30 are single right now. I do not believe that is “normal” or good.

Not to say everybody should be in a relationship, married or have kids. But in a healthy relationship a man improves a woman and vice versa. Because it’s literally impossible for any man to truly understand how women think or vice versa. But that direct interaction helps both improver and grow. It’s challenging and frustrating but in the end both genders improve because that’s how Mother Nature intended it.

With that said women really do have an advantage over men in the early stages of dating (when all else is equal). Their femininity in itself is valued in society.

From an evolutionary perspective women had to be picky, choosy and even manipulative because their mate selection had a direct impact on their very livilihoods and the survival of their offspring.

But now the pickiness is unnecessary in modern society. Law enforcement protects women so they don’t need a man for that. Women obviously have the means to make money to provide for themselves and child. And yet that they are STILL very picky with mate selection and that comes down to evolutionary subconscious thinking. And when I say “picky” I don’t mean “good” picky either. Their instincts will make them hop in bed with a dominate asshole who will leave them.

[blueonblack22]

Also I hate to get into politics. But I also 100% believe that the ulterior agenda of modern feminism has nothing to do with gender equality. Rather it’s driven by a Marxist ideology that is anti western society in general. Any western woman who openly and proudly “identifies” as a feminist nowadays more often than not has radical ideological beliefs that extend way beyond gender equality.

Anyway I predict these trends will continue until women become so miserable from the self sabotage they wake up to the truth. But it has to be self taught lesson. They rather defy male criticism as “misogyny”. Rather “rebel” even though they are ultimately harming themselves.

Nothing men say about this will ever accomplish anything either. Reason being is that men are EXPENDABLE. We are NOT special just for existing. We are only special to women for what we can provide. Men are NEEDED but not wanted. There is a difference there. And that’s a major advantage women have long held over men yet don’t want to acknowledge.

[blueonblack22]

Hey @MzAsh on a side note. Be careful with the label “high achieving woman”’.

Just because you have a respectable high paying career doesn’t mean are automatically “high achieving”.

You could have several deficiencies in other areas in your life. A morbidly obese woman who makes a ton of money is not exactly “high achieving”.

I am “high achieving” by your definition. I make 6 digits, own real estate, college grad, well traveled etc. I’m also in excellent physical condition for my age.

But I know I got major gaps in my own life. I don’t go around identifying as “high achieving”.

[midnightmoon05]

Emotional support. A good listener. A good communicator. Being understanding of her needs. Being the rock for her when she is feeling down.
no matter how successful a woman or man is in finances, academics, career … at the end of the day , we all want to go home to peace, calm and a loving cari g partner.

[LostandFound__x]

Emotional maturity. Moneyyyy (and willing to spend it)

[Avicenna]

In my experience, they want a guy that will be whatever they perceive as at least their equal, and he’s got to be attractive as well (even if she isn’t).

[Miristheiss]

High achieving woman?

What? Her job?

Men usually couldn't care less about a woman's job. It doesn't make her a more attractive romantic prospect, hence a high earning, successful man normally isn't going to move her up his list because she is "high achieving".

Women care about a romantic partner's job/career/statue. Men are attracted to women for their soft feminine qualities, not because she makes money.

Women need to learn to quit applying female dating strategies to men and thinking men want what they want. Men and women are different.

[MzAsh]

This isn’t about what men want or find romantically desirable. My question was about what men believe they contribute to relationships with high achieving women. What do you think makes a man a valuable partner to a woman who’s already successful on her own terms?

[Miristheiss]

Usually he has to be nore high achieving than her or have connections.

[RavVid]

I don't think men have the ambition of scoring a high achieving woman at all. Given that, it is a nonsense question.

Pretty much all women are on the same level playing field It doesn't matter what they earn or what they are achieving. Men assess women on their looks and their nature.

Guy A might be a high achiever and be suitable for high achiever Woman A in every way. But does he want Woman A? Woman Z might be far more congenial whilst Woman A might be difficult to live with.

In which case I'd expect Guy A to pair up with Woman Z. Why wouldn't he pick the nice girl?

[Makeushiver]

Real enthusiasm for giving head. Humility tons of candidates for that one. Secure in his own shit. A decent recipe for at least a half dozen Thai, Cantonese, French&:Italian dishes. A dick whose inside doesn't n concern him on a daily basis. The rudiments not fashion sense. A body not too far from the one he had when they met. Curiousity. F you can find those you h as be either 1) A Nobel prize candidate if he's male or 2) minimum requirements for a woman. Here's another. The ability not discern the level of suffering he experiences when ill vs. the recognition and allowance of the same level of suffering if she is suffering. Able to take outntrash. Has the self security to walk into a shop selling night store with cute girls as sales help and purchase something and leave w/o staff rolling their eyes on his departure. if I can think of any more I shall provide forthwith.

[lorenzomichael]

None! To be in any relationship you gotta connect with each other, have things in common. But if he or she is, as you say “high achieving” well good for them. It doesn’t mean that the other person has to top them. There not in a competitive race of any kind. They’re just trying to be in a relationship with each other. So if one or the other is a high achieving person who gives a fuck about that?
Listen “money can’t buy you happiness, but it sure could buy you a nice boat to sail around all your mise

[morganherrel]

A man who is either high achieving himself or otherwise strong and confident enough to not feel threatened by her.

A man who loves her by respecting her abilities and strength of character (as demonstrated by her achievements) while noticing her uniquely feminine qualities.

A man who is always there to support her and empathize with her as she overcomes difficult challenges, professional or academic or otherwise.

A man with comparable intelligence and wisdom to her own so that she can respect his input when making important decisions.

A man... errr maybe that's enough for now :)

[molonski2]

1 . Integrity / honesty

2 . Ability to achieve.

3 . Educated and Intelligence.

4 . Diet / exercise commitment

5 . Goal setting / high achiever ( go to point 2 )

There is probably more , it may not be who you suspect , keep your margins high , your goals set , and income as high as possible , its not that difficult.

[ShadezMcgee]

Technically men would need to be able to be empathetic, supportive, grounded and stoic to handle her emotional duress, ambitious, great listener and communicator, emotionally intelligent, and in shape.

But in all honesty, this does differ because men aren't seeking a female high achiever, so although what men typically want is a similar list, it isn't always what women respond to or a lot of them don't desire to embody.

[incorrected]

That would be up to her. I suppose there would be differences depending on how successful we're talking? In general looks, emotional availability and maturity, good humour, enjoyable conversation, confidence. The same dials as a woman who isn't successful. In general though, turn those dials up a lot. Women don't generally want to date down, they want an equal at least and someone even more successful in general.

[Jersey2]

If he is a high achieving man, you will need outside help to take care of the house and children. If you are both high achieving then the money shouldn’t be a problem.

If he isn’t high achieving, you need someone who will be comfortable being Mr Mom either fulltime or part time fit hey are also working. Even without kids things need to be managed at home. He needs to be comfortable being… well… less than, which may be hard for a man.

[Jersey2]

If they are also working*

[BradleyScheff]

Yes. It does vary. High achieving women typically want a man who is as successful or more successful than them, within a similar IQ bracket. Therefore, they typically struggle to find a suitable partner. Men usually have no problem dating down. Especially if they're dating for marriage. If it's just for sex, sure they will date someone really hot. When it is time to settle down, they tend to go for someone younger, more nurturing, not "hyper successful", kinder with a more stable history.

[MzAsh]

Shouldn’t we also consider emotional support, respect, cooperation and loyalty as equally important criteria?

[DrPepper12]

Dreams
Goals
Plans

Curious, erudite, well mannered, well read, traveled, flirty, healthy upbringing, comfortable, confident, outside interests, natural beauty, hygienic,

[Ironco]

Being open and honest.

Is smart, but not a mans plainer.

Supports his woman, even when she fails.

Stays in shape.

Tries to be funny. Make her laugh.

Knows how to use his tongue is a plus 😜🤪

[NathanDavis]

more than anything... genuine confidence

which is a bit ironic since... most people who care about these "terms" are usually insecure and toxic AF, towards themselves and the other gender as well

[Iuwer]

First off a man should avoid dating this woman, and they usually do. They end up single.
But the things these women demand are usually that he’s just as successful or typically more successful. How else can she respect him. This is why it is a mistake for women to have tried to compete with men. You just create a failed society. These women end up single with no kids yet we push women to compete with men.

[MzAsh]

Wouldn’t it make sense for a man to seek a mature woman who respects him for more than just his success?

[Iuwer]

Yes of course but women look for resource in men it’s basically what they are evolved to do

[Iuwer]

The fact that women are mostly independent means that nowadays they just look for surface level things like how handsome he is, tall and what car he drives

[Nikki1989]

Emotional intelligence, empathy, ambition, and drive.

[andreasderjuengere]

He needs to accept a large car, a big home and a lazy life in return for good sex.

He needs to be looking good and to keep quiet about his woman's success secrets.

Same rights for all - isn't it? :D

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

The less the better in this scenario as she won’t snag an equal or higher earner, he’d likely be an ugly bum to be ok with being subordinate to a woman he is intimate with

[MzAsh]

There are some pretty good looking guys who don’t mind being the passive in a relationship. But being passive doesn’t mean being a bum. He does need put in effort.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

I’ve only seen meth heads that aren’t bad looking that are okay with playing that role while their still dealing on parole, they dgaf

[MzAsh]

Yikes. You might wanna associate with different people.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Well thats life, violence and people who dgaf about the property or safety of others will always be a part of this world. To find a man that can protect you and your kids means he won’t be subordinate to his wife/partner

[MzAsh]

A man doesn’t have to be “the protector.” Both man and wife can protect themselves, each other, and their kids collaboratively.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Sure if she has a weapon

[Unit1]

I suppose it's the guy following her success journey and steps, not entirely her carrying him to the hill that is.

[nik0102]

Doesn't this mindset reinforce the "patriarchy" ?

In an "equal" world, a man shouldn't be "suitable" for a high achieving woman, based on his "qualities"

[ImalwaysrightOK]

Men don't care about "high achievements"

[ImalwaysrightOK]

*in women

[MzAsh]

This topic isn’t what men care about. My question was about what men believe they contribute to relationships with high achieving women. What do you think makes one a valuable partner to a woman who’s already successful on her own terms?

[Nifrayu]

Sadly high achieving women tend to have high standards for their partners to be highly successful as well. Meanwhile highly successful men tend to not desire highly successful women.

[ProbablyClueless]

Probably a high level of achievement as well, right?

[jahaims]

Guys don't care about high achieving. They just want a good person with the same morals and values.

[MzAsh]

This isn’t about what men care about or want. My question was about what men believe they contribute to relationships with high achieving women. What do you think makes one a valuable partner to a woman who’s already successful on her own terms?

[SuchSightsToShowYou]

But you're describing a woman that most men wouldn't want, and suggesting that men would need to work extra hard in order to be in a relationship with this second-or-third-tier woman.

It's exactly as if you had asked, "What qualities do you think a man should have to be a suitable partner for a woman who weighs over three hundred pounds?"

The question for men isn't "How could I achieve that?" but "Why the hell would I want that?"

[MzAsh]

What exactly is it about these women that men wouldn’t want?

[SuchSightsToShowYou]

A woman excessively concerned with herself, her own career, her own wants and needs, is not going to be a good partner.

[MzAsh]

What makes you think this is about an excessive degree?

[SuchSightsToShowYou]

Check out the reactions you're getting from men to the question you asked Has even a single one of them suggested that they actually want a high-achieving woman?

Better yet, ask another question. Ask men what qualities they want in a long-term partner, and see how often the phrase "high-achieving" comes up.

You say high-achieving women are redefining what they want from a man, and that's fine. But men, in general, do not want them, so it doesn't really matter.

[MzAsh]

Ok but again, what makes you think this is about a woman concerned with herself or her career to an excessive degree?

[SuchSightsToShowYou]

I'm not going to argue with you about what I do or don't want, or whether it's what I should want.

I don't want a high-achieving woman, and based on the answers you've been getting, large numbers of men feel the same way about this that I do.

You asked a question, and you got answers. Not the answers you wanted, clearly, but you got them. You can either learn from this, or you can stick your head back in the sand. The choice is yours.

[MzAsh]

The question isn’t about what some men don’t want. It’s about identifying what makes a relationship with a high achieving woman successful. If you’re confident in what you bring to such a relationship, share that. If not, this might not be the right conversation for you. We’re here to discuss and understand the positive contributions that men can make in partnerships with successful women. Let’s stay on topic.

[MzAsh]

Speaking as a high achieving woman, I’ve never lacked for desirable suitors. Plenty of men adore us, and the feeling is mutual. Just setting the record straight.

[justsam2525]

He should not be controlling

He should have a sense of humor

He should not be a momma's boy to the point to where they make all the decisions together and you have no say

[MasterKS]

@justsam2525 third point made my day! LOL!

[CuriousMufuxka]

The ability to not find her on onlyfans, tinder, or holy shit GirlsaskGuys!

[MzAsh]

Haha ok but what makes it ok for you to be on GirlsAskGuys?

[CuriousMufuxka]

Because I haven't been banned yet! Really though, back to your question I do believe that's a good start. Go back to meeting in person.

[Ladsin2]

What do you mean by a "high -achieving woman"? Are you asking from the male or female perspective?

[MzAsh]

By high achieving woman, I mean any woman who excels in her career or personal goals. I’m asking from both perspectives, what qualities can men bring to the table to such women?

[Ladsin2]

Not entirely sure that it matters for men. Men pretty much just want women who are kind, nurturing, pretty and younger than they are. I don't believe they think that they'd have to bring something different to the table for a financially successful woman.
Women who are high achieving and successful want men who are more high achieving and more successful. Women who are masculine want men who are more masculine.

[MzAsh]

Well, that’s where they’d be mistaken. The young, nurturing women need men to bring a lot more money to the table than they are, whereas high achieving women don’t need the money since they have their own, bit they’ll need more of his effort in the home.

[Ladsin2]

But that's not what those women want by every poll available. This is part of the reason so many women are finding themselves dissatisfied in the current dating market. Women are making more money than every before and are more likely to be highly educated compared to their male counterparts. This makes it harder for women to find a man they can respect. Women want to take care of their children, not their men. It's a deeply ingrained psychological urge based on our biology.

[MzAsh]

Well, there’s a gap between what a lot of these women think they want, and what they actually need. You can have a man who earns less than you in income, but he’s pulling his weight at home to compensate. If a woman doesn’t respect that, then she’s likely too immature to take seriously on this matter.

[Ladsin2]

I mean you can say they're wrong to want it, but it's like saying men are wrong to want pretty women. It doesn't mean anything because it will always be the case.

[MzAsh]

I’m not saying it’s “wrong” to want a successful man, just like I wouldn’t say it’s wrong for men to want a pretty woman. But smart men and women are going to get to a point where they ask themselves, is the most successful man they can get going to be the overall best husband? Likely not. He’s a busy professional, likely working 60 hours or more a week, which means less time focused on you and quality time together. For the man, he’s has to ask himself, is the 8-9 he’s been hooking up with going to make for the best wife? Likely not. She’s hot and she wants to snag *her* best options in life, which are going to be enjoying benefits and attention from multiple men until she gets tired of it. So again, it’s not “wrong” it’s that it’s just not always smart when you consider the overall of what’s most important to you.

[Ladsin2]

It sounds to me that the implication of your statement is that it's wrong for women to want that. I don't much care. I try to just state what is. It is the case that women want men who are more successful than themselves because women don't want to provide for men. Women already have to take care of their children, they don't want that in their spouse as well. It causes resentment, and its unattractive to women. When women change what they want men will change. We're just trying to get a chance and do what we're rewarded for.

[MzAsh]

Well unless men triple their income like yesterday, we can’t depend on men being providers anymore.

[Ladsin2]

I presume that's a large reason why marriage rates are plummeting. Elizabeth Warren wrote an interesting book about "The Two Income Trap", which I think explains some of the issue. When women entered the workforce it nearly doubled household income so inflation doubled causing families to require to working members. Women don't like this, because they have to pawn their childrearing off to the state. They also don't like this because now that they're, in many instances, making more money than their male peers unable to be satisfied with men at the same or lower levels economically. This is likely a significant factor why single motherhood has skyrocketed in the past half century.

[Goahead76]

Things to steer clear of in life. I would NEVER risk this.

[LiamJHayden]

Women are individuals, and have individual requirements.

[Chthou95]

Do you want me to give you the politically correct response or the politically incorrect response?

[RedInnocent69]

Not being intimidated and being able to support without feeling like a loser are helpful

[JesseP1nk]

Someone is about to find out why highly successful women are single. LoL

[beefcakebradybatson]

High character, good communication skills, ability to relate to her needs and challenges.

[kaucky1]

They not made like me yet unless a Lifesize voodoo granting of me

[Ariesman81]

Lazy, careless, free spirited and disloyal

[MzAsh]

What makes you say that?

[Ariesman81]

Because the majority of women confuse jealousy with love

[Soloalone]

Yes it differs.

[MzAsh]

In what ways?

[Soloalone]

If the woman is submissive, what will make
a man valuable to "already successful woman" is the capacity to take decisions, be organized and also regulating her plans

[Sadia26]

Supportive, Mature, Responsible.

[MasterKS]

Best in sex!