Just a little correction: they were purposefully casting a black or at least a darker actress like Zendaya for the role and saying that it is anything other that trying to meet the diversity quota is just naive.
Miles Morales is a completely different Spider Man. He has his own story, powers, and personality that makes him different from Peter Parker. (I'm assuming you are referring to Into the Spiderverse). 007 is and always had been a codename and they already confirmed that Daniel Craig will return as 007, the other actress will start the film as a different character using the 007 codename because the original is retired and once he comes out of it will get it back. And I don't see the issue with Ragnarok to be honest.
I've only seen the live action junglebook so I'm not particularly invested in it.
But I don't think the 'scandal' is that big of a problem. You get the same thing with white washing the question in both examples is should we care.
Lets be honest Disney has a target on their back right now. They are pushing an agenda with many of their ips and not so subtlety. Thats why people have gotten worked up on it, opposing ideology.
I think most of the time, a lot of these films were not inherently racist. I don't see the point of changing the race of characters from classic films just to appease those people, especially when I dont think there was an issue in the first place. If people have have an issue, I've always just felt that they could just come out with new stuff that includes everybody, why change things that have already been done.
@Letsflytogether I'm not debating the talent of the actresses that got the job. Honestly, I've never even heard of her. I'm sure she's a great actress. But that wasn't my point. My point was that the character was initially white and that people think there isn't enough ethnic representation in movies these days so they going back and changing the race of these characters just please the people that are unhappy.
It bothers me that Hollywood is having to conform to people that creating problems where problems don't exist and are having to do too much to "fix" them.
@Letsflytogether the white girls, and many could play this role, we’re not seriously looked at since it was decided to cast a black girl... it was predetermined for PC reasons.
@Letsflytogether there have been a lot of Disney live action remakes the past several years. I find it funny how this is the first remake where a black woman was a “better fit” than a woman of the accurate ethnicity. Seems like a coincidence that this has happened now... doesn’t it?
I have another question, when are right-wing or traditional men/women/whites in the West going to rise off their ass and start speaking up more loudly, stop "apologizing" for being non-PC and make movies and films anyway without worrying about others feelings?
I can't believe this many people are mad that a fictional creature is going to be played by a black woman. I know I'm black, too, but I always liked Ariel because of her voice, not because she was a red head. As long as she sounds and acts like Ariel, then I really don't care.
I feel like a lot of movie these days don’t focus enough on characterization. A lot of the people of diverse groups are almost still like 1 dimensional characters.
Diversity in movies isn’t any good if you don’t build on the character. I think that’s the thing both side misses.
Diversity makes sense when it makes sense. When it is just thrown out there so they can say hey we have a black character or a gay character the movie or tv show usually suffer and comes off as preachy and people will not watch including me.
@RoyalFlushAce And the thing is that a lot of characters, from people who do think diversity is good, often are too overpowered and underdeveloped. This isn’t helping anyone. If anything, it’s making things worse.
What it comes down to is they can have all the diverse characters they want if they want to have an all black cast or mostly black cast I watch if the show is good I loved the Wire I liked Black Lightning it is when they want to change characters who we have known all our lives to a different race or gay or different gender that is when people get pissed. Do it with original characters not existing ones.
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Let's make Mulan white, it'd only be fair. Or how about we recreate "Candyman" and make him white. Ohh yeah... It only works when it's off of white people. People are rightfully upset, this blackwashing and replacement of whites has gotten too far.
Mulan is a fictional story from the China, in the Chinese traditional culture, now tell me where a fake made up fish fits in there to be a exact color? You can't because you're stupid read a book
Little Mermaid is a Danish story, from Denmark, that's in Norther Europe, got it? Good. Danes are white, yes? At least the author was, the author wrote the character as WHITE with RED hair and BLUE EYES. Now tell me, how many black/mixed people have those features?
Also in the story, the mermaid swaps her soul for a life on land, where he meets a fair skinned prince. The story is written in 1800's, so I think IR relationships were taboo back then, no? So why do they have to shit on the story and corrupt it to their political agendas? Why not make a new princess who happens to be black? Why not make T'Challa as white? And please don't tell me that his race "ties to the story', cause it doesn't. He would be as good as a white person, and since the whole setting is based on a super advanced society, surely they wouldn't mind a little diversity? Ohh yeah... diversity like that only exists in white countries.
For 1 you're reaching hard to prove a point you know you won't WIN, So just because it was written & constructed by some Danes in Europe the cartoon Ariel takes place in the SEA, not on Land its a mermaid it's isn't REAL unless you wanna go under the sea yourself since you seem to like to reach that far, and prove to me mermaids are real and you know their true race 😄 😄 so to end the whole blue eyes, red hair thing well Mermaids aren't real so sorry to wake you up to actual reality, sp guess what because it's not real it allows the color of the charcter to change... It's like Aliens we have no idea if they're real but they're all kinds of colors... Yeah the whole Ariel thing was race baiting they knew ignorant and smart humans would collide but at the same it's better ignorant people like yourself are put in corners and forced to look at reality for what it really is... Sick
@Fuentes I get your point about Ariel being fictional. But she’s still based on a culture that is real. Her underwater kingdom is supposed to reflect the Danish kingdom on land. She is Danish. Just because she lives underwater doesn’t make that less true.
So I agree that this uproar about Disney Changing the race of a character that is a whole other species is silly, but I don’t think your argument is 100% valid because it’s more complicate than that.
And the bigger issue is that Disney is trying to appease to a very liberal political agenda. That’s what should be more concerning.
@BrookieCookie0422 you're crazy it's not deeper then your making it, Ariel isn't real are you delusional? It's a mermaid and Mermaids aren't REAL so again are you delusional? " A underwater Kingfom reflects her danish kingdom" pfft no it doesn't you're going to far and reaching when you don't need too. Ariel os a mythical imaginative character in a CARTOON. are you telling me you think mermaids are REAL SPECIES? Are you on disability? What's more concerning is you over complicating a cartoon and then bringing up Politics... Whe. You get educated and open your eyes you'll see your a mindless zombie and realize the Presidents answers to someone else the US is ran like a corporation. Poltical figures are just corporations customer service & positions above but that's another story the real issue at hand is your delusional
@BrookieCookie0422 it's a agenda move to exploit black people but everyones reposnses and anger towards color instead of being angry at disney for race baiting a Agenda, to plot more racial tension agaisnt black and white. But I will just shut down all Reachers, Ignoramus's & all delusions because their is no reason for it, if y'all wanna reach i can to but when i do it i can make it look like good enough sense because im not a ignorant perso.
@Fuentes well I think you’re irrational and just like yelling at people and calling them dumb.
I don’t think the origin issue carries much weight at all so I just want to throw that out there that I’m not dwelling over it, I’m simply acknowledging it and trying to understand it.
However, you’re right about it being a political agenda. It’s not about black or white or acting talent, it’s about Disney trying to kiss ass to modern politics but it’s backfiring on them.
@BrookieCookie0422 well im glad you're at least trying to understand and i don't yell through my typing im just a dominant person i assume so i can get my point across enough you feel it, you seem like a nice and reasonable person so im sorry if i made you feel less then and you seem to understand
@Fuentes I share my opinion on everything and am 100% straightforward. I also don’t preach BS to everyone.
If you look at a lot of questions I answered, you’ll see that I got voted most helpful opinion on a large number of them. That alone grants like 7 pts each I think.
I also am on here everyday and answer all messages and questions I get
@Fuentes lmfao no I don’t suck dick for Xper! I was kidding. And no I don’t have an xper booster. O don’t even know how many points I have... or what counts as a lot. I am just really active in this site. I share a lot of opinions everyday and answer to all comments
@BrookieCookie0422. Hmm i believe that but still its so fast Have you been on GaG before this account maybe thats why you know the other secrets that I don't know lol
Boring... As a young black woman myself i find this uproar boring. Like aren't these people bored of hearing themselves spew all this racist nonsense. I am... Time to move on now. Best of luck to Halle. X
Lmao right? "oh my god you liberals are such sensitive snowflakes, you cry about literally EVERYTHING" ... "oh my GOD I cannot BELIEVE you changed this fictional fish character SKIN TONE this is an abomination and I demand that you make her white right this instant immediately now straightaway this very second!!!"
the problem is "they" have done that in the movie industry for years. Most don't pay attention to film history. The film industry used to have no black people and the only non white people were white people in black face. When black people came into the industry they were monsters, villains and so on. Later the few depictions were gang members, slaves, pimps and criminals with few exceptions.
Even in relatively recent history there has been black roles cast by white people.
Personally. I don't even say that as someone who deeply cares on what ethnicity someone is for movie roles. I'm for art being art. But if we're going to say the ethnicity of a role should remain in tact and played by someone of that race. Then apply that rule across the board, rather than selective outrage when a white role is replaced. That's what's annoying.
Even people who say it's hypocritical because others have complained about black roles being replaced by white people. To that same point. They complained and nothing changed. So now that they play by the rules they are wrong again? How does that work
You can figure anything out looking at patterns. The pattern has been clear for years now it 100% is to push the PC agenda and if you think it is not you are simply not wanting to see it.
The original story was supposed to be a lesson. Disney turned it into "no matter how stupid, shortsighted, and foolish you are, everything is gonna work out".
I think the biggest gripe (and the one that carries the most weight) is that these decisions are based on political aims, rather than artistic reasons.
They do not know or are in denial that most of us are actually descendants of the humans who first appeared in Africa and populated it, before finally colonizing Oceania, Eurasia and the Americas.
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Just a little correction: they were purposefully casting a black or at least a darker actress like Zendaya for the role and saying that it is anything other that trying to meet the diversity quota is just naive.
This is the issue:
Ghostbusters, 007, Mermaid, Spiderman, The new version of Charmed, Fantastic 4, Tessa Thompson: Thor: Ragnarok, Catwoman, etc.
Hollywood is very liberal, and liberals hate Whites and men.
what was wrong with Thor?
Miles Morales is a completely different Spider Man. He has his own story, powers, and personality that makes him different from Peter Parker. (I'm assuming you are referring to Into the Spiderverse). 007 is and always had been a codename and they already confirmed that Daniel Craig will return as 007, the other actress will start the film as a different character using the 007 codename because the original is retired and once he comes out of it will get it back. And I don't see the issue with Ragnarok to be honest.
I don't disagree with everything else though.
At least the "New" left seems to hate Whites and men.
I've only seen the live action junglebook so I'm not particularly invested in it.
But I don't think the 'scandal' is that big of a problem. You get the same thing with white washing the question in both examples is should we care.
Lets be honest Disney has a target on their back right now. They are pushing an agenda with many of their ips and not so subtlety. Thats why people have gotten worked up on it, opposing ideology.
I think most of the time, a lot of these films were not inherently racist. I don't see the point of changing the race of characters from classic films just to appease those people, especially when I dont think there was an issue in the first place. If people have have an issue, I've always just felt that they could just come out with new stuff that includes everybody, why change things that have already been done.
The black woman was the best woman for the job according to producers, so stop being a cry baby that a white girl wasn't good enough for the role.
@Letsflytogether I'm not debating the talent of the actresses that got the job. Honestly, I've never even heard of her. I'm sure she's a great actress. But that wasn't my point. My point was that the character was initially white and that people think there isn't enough ethnic representation in movies these days so they going back and changing the race of these characters just please the people that are unhappy.
It bothers me that Hollywood is having to conform to people that creating problems where problems don't exist and are having to do too much to "fix" them.
@Letsflytogether the white girls, and many could play this role, we’re not seriously looked at since it was decided to cast a black girl... it was predetermined for PC reasons.
@Letsflytogether there have been a lot of Disney live action remakes the past several years. I find it funny how this is the first remake where a black woman was a “better fit” than a woman of the accurate ethnicity. Seems like a coincidence that this has happened now... doesn’t it?
I have another question, when are right-wing or traditional men/women/whites in the West going to rise off their ass and start speaking up more loudly, stop "apologizing" for being non-PC and make movies and films anyway without worrying about others feelings?
I can't believe this many people are mad that a fictional creature is going to be played by a black woman. I know I'm black, too, but I always liked Ariel because of her voice, not because she was a red head. As long as she sounds and acts like Ariel, then I really don't care.
I feel like a lot of movie these days don’t focus enough on characterization. A lot of the people of diverse groups are almost still like 1 dimensional characters.
Diversity in movies isn’t any good if you don’t build on the character. I think that’s the thing both side misses.
Diversity makes sense when it makes sense. When it is just thrown out there so they can say hey we have a black character or a gay character the movie or tv show usually suffer and comes off as preachy and people will not watch including me.
@RoyalFlushAce And the thing is that a lot of characters, from people who do think diversity is good, often are too overpowered and underdeveloped. This isn’t helping anyone. If anything, it’s making things worse.
What it comes down to is they can have all the diverse characters they want if they want to have an all black cast or mostly black cast I watch if the show is good I loved the Wire I liked Black Lightning it is when they want to change characters who we have known all our lives to a different race or gay or different gender that is when people get pissed. Do it with original characters not existing ones.
Let's make Mulan white, it'd only be fair.
Or how about we recreate "Candyman" and make him white.
Ohh yeah... It only works when it's off of white people. People are rightfully upset, this blackwashing and replacement of whites has gotten too far.
Mulan is a fictional story from the China, in the Chinese traditional culture, now tell me where a fake made up fish fits in there to be a exact color? You can't because you're stupid read a book
Little Mermaid is a Danish story, from Denmark, that's in Norther Europe, got it? Good.
Danes are white, yes? At least the author was, the author wrote the character as WHITE with RED hair and BLUE EYES.
Now tell me, how many black/mixed people have those features?
Also in the story, the mermaid swaps her soul for a life on land, where he meets a fair skinned prince. The story is written in 1800's, so I think IR relationships were taboo back then, no?
So why do they have to shit on the story and corrupt it to their political agendas? Why not make a new princess who happens to be black?
Why not make T'Challa as white? And please don't tell me that his race "ties to the story', cause it doesn't. He would be as good as a white person, and since the whole setting is based on a super advanced society, surely they wouldn't mind a little diversity?
Ohh yeah... diversity like that only exists in white countries.
#Blackwashing #NotMyAriel #ArielisWhite
For 1 you're reaching hard to prove a point you know you won't WIN, So just because it was written & constructed by some Danes in Europe the cartoon Ariel takes place in the SEA, not on Land its a mermaid it's isn't REAL unless you wanna go under the sea yourself since you seem to like to reach that far, and prove to me mermaids are real and you know their true race 😄 😄 so to end the whole blue eyes, red hair thing well Mermaids aren't real so sorry to wake you up to actual reality, sp guess what because it's not real it allows the color of the charcter to change... It's like Aliens we have no idea if they're real but they're all kinds of colors... Yeah the whole Ariel thing was race baiting they knew ignorant and smart humans would collide but at the same it's better ignorant people like yourself are put in corners and forced to look at reality for what it really is... Sick
@Fuentes I get your point about Ariel being fictional. But she’s still based on a culture that is real. Her underwater kingdom is supposed to reflect the Danish kingdom on land. She is Danish. Just because she lives underwater doesn’t make that less true.
So I agree that this uproar about Disney Changing the race of a character that is a whole other species is silly, but I don’t think your argument is 100% valid because it’s more complicate than that.
And the bigger issue is that Disney is trying to appease to a very liberal political agenda. That’s what should be more concerning.
@BrookieCookie0422 you're crazy it's not deeper then your making it, Ariel isn't real are you delusional? It's a mermaid and Mermaids aren't REAL so again are you delusional? " A underwater Kingfom reflects her danish kingdom" pfft no it doesn't you're going to far and reaching when you don't need too. Ariel os a mythical imaginative character in a CARTOON. are you telling me you think mermaids are REAL SPECIES? Are you on disability? What's more concerning is you over complicating a cartoon and then bringing up Politics... Whe. You get educated and open your eyes you'll see your a mindless zombie and realize the Presidents answers to someone else the US is ran like a corporation. Poltical figures are just corporations customer service & positions above but that's another story the real issue at hand is your delusional
@Fuentes okay Mr. Know-It-All, what’s the real issue then?
@BrookieCookie0422 it's a agenda move to exploit black people but everyones reposnses and anger towards color instead of being angry at disney for race baiting a Agenda, to plot more racial tension agaisnt black and white. But I will just shut down all Reachers, Ignoramus's & all delusions because their is no reason for it, if y'all wanna reach i can to but when i do it i can make it look like good enough sense because im not a ignorant perso.
@Fuentes well I think you’re irrational and just like yelling at people and calling them dumb.
I don’t think the origin issue carries much weight at all so I just want to throw that out there that I’m not dwelling over it, I’m simply acknowledging it and trying to understand it.
However, you’re right about it being a political agenda. It’s not about black or white or acting talent, it’s about Disney trying to kiss ass to modern politics but it’s backfiring on them.
@BrookieCookie0422 well im glad you're at least trying to understand and i don't yell through my typing im just a dominant person i assume so i can get my point across enough you feel it, you seem like a nice and reasonable person so im sorry if i made you feel less then and you seem to understand
@Fuentes no you didn’t but I appreciate it.
@BrookieCookie0422 i have a? For you if you made your acc on the 4th how did you get all them xp'er points what's your secret?
@Fuentes I share my opinion on everything and am 100% straightforward. I also don’t preach BS to everyone.
If you look at a lot of questions I answered, you’ll see that I got voted most helpful opinion on a large number of them. That alone grants like 7 pts each I think.
I also am on here everyday and answer all messages and questions I get
@BrookieCookie0422 that's just half of the story, tell me the REAL story or if you're afraid saying it here just PM me how
@Fuentes I don’t understand. No I’m not afraid of saying anything here. Are you?
Okay okay... the secret is that I S a lot of D to get those points.
@BrookieCookie0422 i mean do you have some sort of Xp'er booster? Or ru really S****** a admin d*** for those xp'er points
@Fuentes lmfao no I don’t suck dick for Xper! I was kidding. And no I don’t have an xper booster. O don’t even know how many points I have... or what counts as a lot. I am just really active in this site. I share a lot of opinions everyday and answer to all comments
@BrookieCookie0422. Hmm i believe that but still its so fast Have you been on GaG before this account maybe thats why you know the other secrets that I don't know lol
@Fuentes noooooo I literally discovered this website this month
There’s no secret! I’m just really active
Boring... As a young black woman myself i find this uproar boring. Like aren't these people bored of hearing themselves spew all this racist nonsense. I am... Time to move on now. Best of luck to Halle. X
I find it weird that the people that like to call people sensitive snowflakes are now whining because a fish-girl is black.
Lmao right?
"oh my god you liberals are such sensitive snowflakes, you cry about literally EVERYTHING"
...
"oh my GOD I cannot BELIEVE you changed this fictional fish character SKIN TONE this is an abomination and I demand that you make her white right this instant immediately now straightaway this very second!!!"
Dude yeah. There were even petitions for it. Bunch of cry babies.
Still trying to sell it? No. They will not do this to a classic black role and we know it. It is a racial double standard... again. Fuck Disney.
the problem is "they" have done that in the movie industry for years. Most don't pay attention to film history. The film industry used to have no black people and the only non white people were white people in black face. When black people came into the industry they were monsters, villains and so on. Later the few depictions were gang members, slaves, pimps and criminals with few exceptions.
Even in relatively recent history there has been black roles cast by white people.
Personally. I don't even say that as someone who deeply cares on what ethnicity someone is for movie roles. I'm for art being art. But if we're going to say the ethnicity of a role should remain in tact and played by someone of that race. Then apply that rule across the board, rather than selective outrage when a white role is replaced. That's what's annoying.
Even people who say it's hypocritical because others have complained about black roles being replaced by white people. To that same point. They complained and nothing changed. So now that they play by the rules they are wrong again? How does that work
@rjroy3 Fuck Disney
hahah
Yawn. . . nobody here at GaG cares about accuracy.
You can figure anything out looking at patterns. The pattern has been clear for years now it 100% is to push the PC agenda and if you think it is not you are simply not wanting to see it.
The original story was supposed to be a lesson. Disney turned it into "no matter how stupid, shortsighted, and foolish you are, everything is gonna work out".
That's my biggest issue with it
I hated Ariel for this reason
I think the biggest gripe (and the one that carries the most weight) is that these decisions are based on political aims, rather than artistic reasons.
Good take. I've made the same point about how far removed Disney is from Andersen's original as to be a different entity.
Also good point about Jason Mamoa. I think he looks far more like Marvel's Namor than DC's Aquaman..
It's a European story. It's a small legacy of their culture at the time. You wouldn't race swap someone in an African folk tale. So why this?
It's because racists get butthurt. That's all there is to it.
no secure adult really gives a shit
immature hateful jealous bigoted children just insist to scream to the heavens how inferior they are
They do not know or are in denial that most of us are actually descendants of the humans who first appeared in Africa and populated it, before finally colonizing Oceania, Eurasia and the Americas.
They were mostly dark skinned and due to mutation, there are different skin colors that we see now