
How would you react if someone close to you told you they were transgender?


I have known many trans-gendered people during or after transition, but I only knew a couple from before, and that was interesting. I was able to see how differently I act towards different genders. For example, I will hold the door open for anyone, it's just polite, but I'll hold the door open for a man so that he can grab it while it's open, but I hold the door open for a woman so she can walk through first (I'm sexist that way). It's sometimes hard to be a gentleman without offending someone. Personally, I'm just trying to be a decent person, but some people just want to find a reason to be offended.
I think people should be who they are. It's certainly not for me to judge, although others still see in black and white and will never understand. Hopefully, eventually it will just become normal enough that it will be more accepted.
I've known many who came out as gay, and it was like "yeah, I know" and they seem shocked that anyone would suspect them, but I knew one guy that I never would have suspected. He wore jeans and flannel shirts with a baseball cap. Very redneck. Worked on cars a lot. We used to work weekends together. One day I say him shopping online for dresses and shoes. He said he was shopping for his girlfriend, which I completely believed before he even said anything and it never even crossed my mind to doubt it, but of course I gave him crap about buying himself a dress and how hard it was to find size 12 pumps. He thought he was totally busted and I didn't have a clue. lol
Fast forward a few years and we were working in different facilities. Someone asked me if I had seen him lately. I asked why and they said he was turning into a woman. I asked what they meant. They said he was wearing funny clothes and painting his nails. I just figured he met a goth woman and was going that route. Finally one day he called me to see what management was thinking about it. He called me because he thought I already knew. lol
Anyway, thankfully we live in a time and work in a place where that kind of thing is very much accepted, so her fears of losing her job were completely unfounded, but what an unfair World where people have to live in fear of that kind of thing simply for not pretending to be something they are not.
I would give the the councel of scripture which states:
““A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.”
Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV
This would be a command against cross dressing.
““No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.”
Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
The above scripture would be the ancient version of a sex change operation. This is not a new phenomenon.
Here God declares forgiveness for the repentant transgender:
“Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.”
Isaiah 56:3-5 ESV
Transgenderism is an abomination to God and all who die willfully sinning this way will not see the kingdom of heaven.
Although being gay and transgender are different, they are closely linked. Here scripture warns of the fate of the unrepentant homosexual and the fate would be the same for the unrepentant transgender:
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV
So there you have it. The counsel of God on this matter. For all you woke degenerates who read this and feel compelled to tell me what a hate filled evil man I am for not condoning transgenderism save your breath. I don’t care what you think of me. I don’t care what names you call me. The angrier you get and the more venom you spew the harder I will laugh. So do yourself a favor and move on.
@Reyow
Then why were 11 of the 12 disciples martyred?
Those guys were constantly around Jesus for 3 years. Who would die for a lie? They saw Jesus preform the miracles. If Jesus was a liar it is doubtful they would have even hung around him much less died for believing he was the messiah and the son of God.
@Reyow
Let me get this straight. 11 of the 12 disciples who were martyred testified to the miracles Jesus did. If they knew he really didn’t preform those miracles and he was a liar why would they choose to die for their belief in who he claimed to be. That makes no sense.
Yeah, because the left doesn’t Brian wash anyone. Only Trump does.
Oh no your right i completely agree the left is nothing but a bunch of brain washed communists. But still brain washing is brain washing. The oracles of ancient Greece huffed volcanic gasses to get their "visions". So yes they probably believed what they saw, that dosnt mean that it is the reality of it.
@Reyow
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and I won’t push the matter any further. I’ll simply state we will have to agree to disagree.
Funny you mentioned the crusades. I’m an armature medievalist. I have studied to crusades at great length. The crusades were fought because the Byzantine emperor Alexios Komenos appealed to Pope Urban the 2nd for help. The Seljuk Turks were carving up pieces of his empire. At the same time Christian pilgrims were being assaulted and killed when they would travel to Jerusalem. Urban then launched the 1st Crusade. The monarchs of Europe also knew if the Byzantine Empire fell, Muslims would invade the rest of Europe. Historically by the time of the 1st Crusade the Muslims had already invaded and held roughly half of Spain. They did that centuries earlier and weren’t expelled from Spain until the 1400’s. Muslims had also invaded Sicily. The rulers of Europe knew all about conversion by the sword when Muslims invade non Muslim lands. That’s why the Crusades were fought.
Ironically many countries in Europe now intentionally import (they don’t wait in some cases for the Muslims to come but actively seek them out) as many Muslims as possible which will insure the Islamification of Europe in the future.
I would avoid to give my honest opinion about this to this person and I would not support this, just avoid to use any pronouns or words that have gender (because I do not want to hurt this person using the correct pronoun of their biological sex), but we can be friends still
Depending on who it is I would be surprised. If that person is a family member or friend I wouldn't be against it but it may take me some time to get used to. For example if my cousin turned into a woman I wouldn't love him any less just because he changed his gender
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To begin with, I wouldn't believe them because I've known everyone who is close to me for almost forever, so it just isn't going to happen to me.
In the rare case that someone I've known for a short time would tell me that they were transgender, I'd already know they were, so no surprise there.
I'd acknowledge their declaration and go on with my life.
I've never seen a transgendered person who was undetectable.
Not that it couldn't happen. I may have been fooled and didn't know it.
If I were surprised with such a declaration, I'd again, acknowledge their declaration and go on with my life.
It would depend on their age.
I don't think anyone should take hormones or get surgery before 18. (Or later)
But either way I'd ask how long they felt that way, and go from there.
5 years, I'd probably take it on face value, be supportive and ask if they are going to get the surgery and what they want me to call them now.
2 weeks, I'd be happy to call them a different name but I'd gently recommend they think it over and live that way for some time before they start changing things that are perminet.
A lot of people who transition at 15 regret it by 20 and you can't just go back.
I think I would be surprised, maybe have some questions.
But they're still someone close to me and I will still love them as they are.
I would feel honored that they felt they could trust me enough to say something like that to me as it seems to often be a sensitive topic.
Trans person: I need to tell you a secret... Can I trust you?
Me: Sure
Trans person: I am transgender...
Me: That's hardly a secret. Everybody knows your transgender.
Trans person: How did you know?
Me: Have you looked in a mirror? And your grip is stronger than mine, those are dead giveaways.
Trans person: Does it bother you?
Me: Nope
Trans person: Wanna go out?
Me: Uh, no.
I simply keep it professional. On a personal level, I tend to stay away from such people considering they are mentality damaged. And I don't need that shit to drip into my life. No matter what they try or do, they will never become the sex/gender they decided to become. You are what you are born as. Plain and simple.
Feel sorry for them. You cannot change what you are. You can try, you can pretend, you can go through all sorts of machinations, but you are what you are. Sad really.
And these are some of THE most unhappy people on the planet. The suicide rate is through the roof. The product of a very sick society.
Well unless there a girl who wants to be man and i was attracted to them. It wouldn't really effect me so i would probably think about chickens or whatever else. If they were a girl who i was attracted to who wants to be a man, i would say good for them and stop been attracted to them.
Like my friend? I wouldn’t personally care to be honest but I would still thank them for sharing something with me that may took courage to do so. I would hug them and tell them it doesn’t change a thing and switch a different topic like what are we eating for lunch today? Or something else.
If they got anything from me that i only gave because I thought they were a woman then I’d probably beat them up like they were a con artist or rapist. Depends on what they got from me tho. Even a lot of my time would be a serious violation tho.
If they’re smart they would say they’re trans on day 1.
It's happened a few times already and my response is always the same. Something along the lines of: Thank you for trusting me enough to tell me. I love and accept you. Do you want to go by a different name or pronouns now? If there is ever anything I can do to help, let me know
I'd say "that's cool!" and start referring to them as the pronoun they prefer. This situation actually happened to me recently. I just use the pronoun they'd like, and treat them like I've been treating them. It's ok to mess up on their pronoun from time to time, as long as its not intentional
I had a toxic person tell me that they where transgender, and that's why the person is like that. I didn't buy that bullshit from them, even if it was true, there was too much drama going on and too much building up on it. that was the point where i broke contact. you can be trans, male, female or whatever. but don't be a shitty toxic person.
Hey were not dating or anything so if you want to change your gender or anything be my guest but if she was talking about a relationship of any kind before, during or after telling me she is or was planning to be trans gendered most of me would say lets just be friends while the weird side of me might fall in love based on the connection now i fell pretty ashamed that side of me exist
i would show them studies that
A: 60-90% of people who think they are trans grow out of it
B: people who transition are never happy. no matter how much they change
C: its very easy for people to want to be a minority nowadays because they get privilege over everyone else. but its always a hollow effort to change yourself to fit in
@Ez-Bri-Z blatantly false huH? weird cuz this giant stack of studies says im right and you're wrong Lebovitz, P. S. (1972). Feminine behavior in boys: Aspects of its outcome. American Journal of Psychiatry, 128, 1283–1289.
Zuger, B. (1978). Effeminate behavior present in boys from childhood: Ten additional years of follow-up. Comprehensive Psychiatry, 19, 363–369.
Money, J., & Russo, A. J. (1979). Homosexual outcome of discordant gender identity/role: Longitudinal follow-up. Journal of Pediatric Psychology, 4, 29–41.
Zuger, B. (1984). Early effeminate behavior in boys: Outcome and significance for homosexuality. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 172, 90–97.
Davenport, C. W. (1986). A follow-up study of 10 feminine boys. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 15, 511–517.
Green, R. (1987). The "sissy boy syndrome" and the development of homosexuality. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
Kosky, R. J. (1987). Gender-disordered children: Does inpatient treatment help? Medical Journal of Australia, 146, 565–569.
Wallien, M. S. C., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. T. (2008). Psychosexual outcome of gender-dysphoric children. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 47, 1413–1423.
Drummond, K. D., Bradley, S. J., Badali-Peterson, M., & Zucker, K. J. (2008). A follow-up study of girls with gender identity disorder. Developmental Psychology, 44, 34–45.
Singh, D. (2012). A follow-up study of boys with gender identity disorder. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of Toronto.
and one more on detransitioning.
Steensma, T. D., McGuire, J. K., Kreukels, B. P. C., Beekman, A. J., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. T. (2013). Factors associated with desistence and persistence of childhood gender dysphoria: A quantitative follow-up study. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 52, 582–590.
now onto your claim that some are happy. sure but that's a meaningless statement. "some" is not a scientific concept
Even acceptance has little effect on the suicide rate of trans people and the suicide rate among people who are fully accepted is still over 41% queeramnesty.ch/.../...ms-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
Even 20 years after gender reassignemtn surgery the suicide rate of a trans person is 20 times that of a normal non trans person; and this research was done in highly accepting environments journals.plos.org/.../journal.pone.0016885
A review of more than 100 studies found no long term benefits of gender reassignment surgery at all for trans people. And that many studies had poor methodology heavily skewed towards telling trans people what they wanted to hear which means encourages the operations even though they have no positive effects www.theguardian.com/.../health.socialcare
62 out 22725 of those who proceeded through surgery reported having regrets and detransitioining
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6212091/
In this survey 27715 members who identified as transgender or gender diverse were surveyed. Of those numbers 17151 actually pursued some sort of gender affirmation.
Of those 17151 only 2242 detransitioned. Of those 2242, a whopping 82.5% said it was external stimuli that drove their decision including familiar or societal pressures.
Not that the numbers of detransitioners is high in comparison but it would be even less if people just left them alone and stopped making them feel like outcasts with these false narratives of detransitioning and religious/personal bias attacks.
Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods Analysis
Jack L Turban, Stephanie S Loo, Anthony N Almazan, Alex S Keuroghlian
LGBT health 8 (4), 273-280, 2021
Going through yours now and not finding much without pay walls since you didn't provide any links.
Lebovitz - done in 1972 and only talks about effeminate behaviors of 16 boys. Of those 6 show "deviant gender identities". This is also not anything about detransitioning.
Zuger study -done in 1978 and on 16 boys. I dont see anything other than it mentioning detransition.
Money/russo - done in 1979 on 11 boys of which only 1 even tried to transition and stopped after 6 weeks. The rest were listed as not even being transgender.
Boy at this rate I'm wondering if I should even bother with the rest of your "studies"
@Ez-Bri-Z your study depends on asking people if they feel a certain way. real science should never rely on asking people if they feel something as they are not likely to tell the truth
also. asking people to detransition is not the same question as if they are happier. apples and oranges
also your own sharing of statistics is all over the place, first you lied and said 62 out of 22,000 which was disproven by your next sentence
and then you said 2,000 out of 17,000 which is actually pretty high.
also... my review of more than 100 studies contains the study you linked. it has bad methodology
You did not read any of it, did you?
62 of 22725 who had SURGERY reported regrets.
2242 out 17151 were PRIOR to surgery and of those 2242 a whopping 82.5% detransitioned because of outside sources like family or societal pressures. It wasn't something they wanted to do, people just didn't really give them a choice if they wanted to be safe.
And of course you have to ask how people feel, it isn't like you can point to a single common factor and say "welp, if this gene is marked this way then they are transgender"
@Ez-Bri-Z and yet my sources contained one link that said a review of 100 studies found no increased happiness among people who transitioned. and that your studies have poor methodology
you can't ask people "hey did you make a giant fucking mistake" they aren't going to say yes
@Ez-Bri-Z the 60-90% claim is for those who claim to be trans below 18
If it was a friend who I believed to be female but who revealed they are secretly packing a 7-inch surprise, I suppose I would lube up. :)
I probably say something like okay that's cool. 🤘 Wouldn't bother me any.
Not talk to them anymore. Except tell them how wrong it is. But 99.999% of the time you can tell so i dont see how id be surprised when they said something. And this is coming from a man who worked in modeling and porn and has met some highly passable trannies. You can still usually tell if you're not a moron.
If they were close to me, I would be a bit surprised, as would by me friends, especially as one of them is Trans and she would be a tad upset it had not been mentioned.
of it was someone we met or knew, then not a problem.
Ask them about their transformation and if they still have a dick (if it was male to female).
Is he happy
They are still the sex God made them... just now apparently a cross dresser... I would frankly be disgusted at that.
I hate all the transphobia in the comments. I'd be a bit weirded out, but I'd call them the right name and pronouns.
I will continue to call them by their name and biological pronouns
I'd support them. It's their decision, if it's what makes them happy, I have to respect that.
Ask them a few questions about it, maybe toss in some advice if I thought they needed it, wish them good luck on their transformation and ask whose deal it is, this hand.
With love and support. It's not my body, it's theirs.
Just like any member of the rainbow, I'd be a supporter for them 100%. If they are happy, then I am happy.
I have known most f the people close to me for at least 20 years so I would be quite shocked and then I would feel quite deceived.
I would be happy for them! It's not an easy thing to think about and battle with key alone tell people about!
If it were a girl I was talking to and she I was giving my heart to her and she told me she was a man the whole time. I’m done, pull out that gun.. clack clack. Gay men are messing up the game
I would treat them no different. But if you are forcing me to call you pronouns and shit Imma stay away
I’d be a little mad because if I couldn’t clock them then they’re fish as fuck and I’m supposed to be the prettiest girl in town
I'm hoping that I would gently and lovingly try to talk them into getting counselling/therapy from a combination of: a psychiatrist who has the moral guts to do it... and a Christian Pastor preaching the Word of God about SIN.
Through JESUS, we can accomplish ANYTHING good and wholesome that we want !!!
So conversion therapy
@Inexpensivefurniture I don't know... it would be whatever you'd want to call it. But the LAST sentence is ultimately most important
Yeah that's conversion therapy which a) Does not work, and b) Does a lot of harm
I hope through Jesus you learn to accept people for who they are
@Inexpensivefurniture Through Jesus we should love and care enough about people with mental illnesses that we would ask them if we can HELP them come out of those sinful lifestyles so they can live a more Godly and happy life
1. Being trans is not a mental illness
2. Not everyone believes in a christian god or lifestyle
@Inexpensivefurniture 1. Displaying Transvestite behavior in public represents a mental condition.
2. Yes, unfortunately not everyone IS a true Christian, but Christians ARE supposed to spread the Gospel, or at least ATTEMP to.
1. Do you have a source for that, beyond your own feelings? I doubt it, seeing as you are using outdated terms like "transvestite"
2. Pretty sure I read something in the bible about not passing judgement on others. I thought that was a pretty important part of the book. Right along with the one about loving your neighbour
@Inexpensivefurniture There's no such thing as a "transgender". You are permanently either male or female, and cannot magically switch back and forth. Transvestite has always been the proper term.
And I have Rick Wiles from TruNews to thank for using this term rather than "transgender"
It's not the right term anymore, it's outdated. But thank you for proving you are basing all thing on your feelings and really do not have a neutral source to back your claims
I wouldn’t feel anything in particular,. If I hadn’t known already I would be pretty impressed but I would leave that unexpressed.
I’m perfectly fine with it.
It is their choice. If they are becoming who they truly are. Who am I to judge?
Something like this...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sFBOQzSk14cI would be horrified that someone close to me is a liar. Every tranny knows that there are only two genders aka sexes. They’re just trying to get attention and diversity points.
Honestly unsure what I would do. I wouldn’t be mad per day, but I would wonder if they are just going through a phase of confusion
Ask them why they feel that way and try and help them get past their confusion. As I went through this myself. Thankfully I was able to overcome my own confusion before I did anything permanent.
Been there several times before.
I have been and will continue to be supportive.
Probably I'll be surprised. But I love them regardless
I wouldn't care. I mean I would support them, but it wouldn't change my opinion about them. I had a friend who was questioning it. He was also asexual which I think confused him more regarding his sexuality.
Tell them that they are only two genders:male and female
I would tell them they're entitled to their opinion, but i don't believe in the concept.
It's fine, i have some trans friends.
Partially why I think I'm pansexual because I feel like I can be attracted to some trans if we gel.
I'd be fascinated. Especially if I hadn't already worked it out.
Depends on who, in some cases I'd be very surprised and in others I'll be ok, should have seen that coming.
It would not bother me. Just would be happy they told me and me
If I didn't already know, and assuming they are not a love interest, can't see why this would greatly affect me as they are apparently successful in their presentation.
Meh whatever if they were close to me it wouldn't be a surprise if they weren't I couldn't care less
I honestly wouldn't care, plus I know everyone I know in my family isn't transgender anyway do of course I know they were bullshitting me.
I would tell them that is a huge sin against God and that they need to repent from that sin or they will be going to hell.
They aren’t, we don’t let people like that near our families and we don’t associate with their kind.
Ask them if they are sure and why they are that sure.
Surprise if I didn’t notice or catch on for some reason, but other than that, I’d be pleased that my close friend trusted me with that information and I’d be happy for their truth
I would look at them and say "that's terrific so what do I call you Paul or Pauline?"
Would not bother me...
Except, I only date women who were born with women parts and have correct chromosomes.
Otherwise, good luck with your life.
I'd feel really happy that they even trusted me with this. I'd also have a lot of questions.
Meh just dont jump down my throat about it if i get your new pronoun wrong or what ever it is that they get their panties in a bunch about now.
Close as in just friends and nothing else, I'd still go a little uneasy for not telling me so soon. But i'd really dump her if she's my girlfriend.
I would probably see if they wanted to get intimate with me if I found that out.
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