Parents: How do you feel about LGBT groups and activities being done in schools?

[Anonymous]

Im getting a lot of parents that want me to run lgbt groups etc. mainly for 3rd-5th graders I work with within a school. I’m all for it but I know there will Be push back because it’s elementary school “they’re young”. I’m prepared for it…just want opinions. We are thinking about incorporating a rainbow Friday that is just inclusive for all students to dress silly but also for others to be open.

Looking for more parent viewpoints …..

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+1 y

For people saying “sex” isn’t a thing your children talk explicitly and I’ve caught multiple children in the bathroom or talking about sex I’ve also confiscated 2nd-4th graders cell phones and laptops and what I see especially on social media and pictures are concerning. So please miss me with the innocence speech that’s a whole different conversation.

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+1 y

Ok there’s way too much rudeness, ignorance, and/or disrespectful comments. Which actually is pretty sad as we’re adults and kind of concerning so I won’t be responding to most. But I guess….. thanks for answering ….

[MrOracle]

The parents who are asking for this are far-left activists who are being encouraged to push for this as a virtue signal. LGBT is less than 5% of the population and there is zero reason this needs to be discussed in elementary school. Zero.

I fully support LGBT folks living their lives as they wish, but people need to be old enough to actually understand their decisions, and elementary school is too early to be dealing with that on an institutional level.

As a teacher, your focus should be limited to academics - reading, writing, arithmetic, and history. If parents want to indoctrinate their own kids at a young age, we can't stop that, but we absolutely can and must stop this at an institutional level, and if the far left keeps pushing this, you're going to see laws like Florida's get passed all over the country to stop it. The vast majority of parents do not want this crap in elementary school, despite the activists pushing for it. They may be loud, but they are a tiny fraction of the population, and the majority will push back, and hard, if this continues.

[OpenClose]

I think the best way to teach this stuff is simply to teach it all as normal. If kids ask about love, you can just mention it's when you really like someone. You don't have to mention gender. When you teach sex ed, you can teach it on the basis that not everyone is having penis-in-vagina. You can teach about anal sex, and it also helps straight couples who think they "only did anal so it doesn't count".

If someone is like "But I thought it was just something a boy and a girl do." You can mention how that's not the case. Maybe bring up how bonobo females greet each other, or homosexuality in other animals. Mostly to show that it is normal.

Then they grow up with that culture. In some cases, things like this try to actively compensate for existing biases. When you compensate for existing biases, then in children that don't have them, they might generate them.

I can say this about how, as a boy, I was taught about women's issues. It was taught to me on the assumption that I thought girls were weak, stupid, and inferior. At a time when I thought that boys were the inferior ones. So I already had self-doubt with my identity as a boy, and this made me feel like however much shame I felt, I needed to feel more, to "make up for" the boys who weren't raised like I was. And I recently started seeing a therapist for how these issues have caught up with me.

So, at least coming from this experience, I generally advocate for more full-spectrum, group-agnostic teaching that helps to simply normalize the range of human expression.

[blingsta]

Right,... just not my child.

[OpenClose]

@blingsta Why not?

[anylolone]

It's sex, why the fucking are you teaching kids about sex?

If they are ready for it, nature will take it's course.

[OpenClose]

@anylolone You didn't take sex ed when you were hitting puberty? I mean I'm not talking about 5-year-olds. That probably WOULD be too soon to bring it up. If anything, because they would have trouble relating and would just brush it off.

[anylolone]

I did get sex ed after puberty.
I knew more by myself from reading biology text books when I was 8. My friends still didn't learned shit from sex ed.
Everybody still had sex.

And my parents never had "the talk" with me, by the way.
Ironically, I had "the talk" with my sister, lol!

Math efficacy and reading comprehension is at abysmal levels, focus on that.
Then science. After that law.

[OpenClose]

@anylolone Dude exact same for me. Biology textbooks. Sister explaining stuff to me.

[Seinna]

LGBT belongs with sexual education which shouldn't be taught before the children are at least 12 and parents should be able to opt out their child from it anyway.

It's not your job to sexualize someone else's children but to teach them basic life skills. If parents want to tell their children about it they should do it themselves.

If I had a child below the age of 10 at school and I found out the teacher spoke to them about anything sexual I'd seek legal intervention because this is completely unacceptable.

Your question is an example of why I will do everything in my power to home school my children. But don't ask us - send a letter to all of your student's parents and ask THEM if they think it's approriate. They are the ones who have the RIGHT to know.

[midnightmoon05]

I don’t think she can create a program just because “some parents want” and that we at gag has any rights to make decisions for her. curriculums are district/city created s that’s for public school…
If she runs her own school … yes ask those parents… not us.

[Seinna]

@midnightmoon05 which is actually pretty chilling when you imagine that she, as a teacher, bases her decision to either do it or not on response online. Regardless of whether we are parents ourselves or not - we are not those children's parents and they are the only ones whose opinion should be taken into account. Doesn't matter if majority of Gag users agree or not, doing something like that requires sending out a letter to every student's parent so that they know what's up. Imagine your child's potential education being discussed and decided on on the internet without you as a parent knowing anything about it... Also imagine as a parent of a 7-10 year old (that seems to be the age corresponding to grades 2-4 in US) that your child is confused about their sexual orientation or sexuality and needs to have a talk at school about it. School is not meant for raising children and we can see the result of it in this generation, at some point the parent needs to step up and take over. And this I believe is one such case but a child that young should be completely innocent regardless of whatever sexual orientation they will have when they grow up, this is genuinely not the type of concern they should have. What's the point of having children in the first place if as a parent you're not able to handle such a sensitive topic with your child? I can't stress how serious and intimate for a young person this is and the concept of a stranger discussing it in a class setting, honestly I think could be traumatic for some children, probably especially those for whom it's most relevant...

[007kingifrit]

sex ed is about SEX. not the borderline religion of self identifacation the modern left has invented

[luminiferous]

All these people saying no are just too scared to admit that LGBT shouldn't be normalised as it is not natural. And by having it exposed to children of that age, it will make them act that way be default because it will wire their brain.
Now don't get me wrong, no disrespect to those people. But is it normal and natural? No. Is it having bad impact in young children, by making them coming up with new "sexualities" and terms every day just because they've been impacted online? Yes.

But I totally get them, being an American and having a different opinion can get you killed. So I'll say it for you. And like usual, people will offend me so to save my time I will not respond, unless you try to make a logical argumentative response.

[Now_Here]

Exactly!!

[JustiReno]

You’re right - I read an interview with Anton LaVey, founder of Church of Satan’s daughter, she can’t give it up why some people get groomed or molested then do it to others, it’s a 🦠

[luminiferous]

I'm sorry i didn't quit understand what you were trying to say, and the meaning of the green bacillus.

Don't get me started on satanism, that's a whole hypocritical of itself "religion" supported by people who can't control themselves.

[JustiReno]

Green GMO bacteria is what you’re referring to. But on Church of Satan? That girl admits her dad was a con man and sexual abuser. She went through the first “Satanic Baptism” filled with blood and naked women, she was pregnant at 13 and now has her own church and practices Tibetan Buddhism and some form of western occultism in “the temple of set” still adversarial.

[luminiferous]

Well satanism is an example of people saying whatever bs they want to gain attention and it works. The premise of satanism is following their natural insticts and that human should act like animals, without bothering if it causes harm to another person. They are simply just atheists, who claim to not believe in the supernatural but believe in magic (the hypocrisy)
They welcome the homosexuals, they welcome women who use their sexuality to manipulate men, they welcome doing harm to people from magic, just to fufill their egotistical desires.
Now where I'm trying to go by this is that they try to act nice by saying "No causing harm to children, or no intercourse without consent or children" I say that's a bunch of lies, because I just said that the premise of their belief is doing everything that's considered immoral just to gain satisfaction for oneself. And that goblin, LaVey tried to specially mention "no harm to chidren" so that people don't burn him alive.
And see my point was just proven now, he did exactly what they say they don't do. There's even worse cases of their rituals. I don't know how some countries allow them to still have the churches and even exist. Each day freedom of speech is sounding like too much freedom. Because you have an idiot come up with a bunch of philosophical theories to fit his own interests, and people follow it.

[sage2021]

See, there is another example of putting their beliefs and life style on straight people and shoving being a queer/lez down people's throats! Do the straight kids have a choice to not get involved at all if they don't want to be part of it? That is the only way it would be fair to the straight kids who vomit at the sight of those weirdo's. Down like me if you want to cause I don't care. It's all about being forced or having a choice in this. Shoving their life style down our throats only makes us dislike them more. They need to back off because they don't have a right to force their beliefs on straight people!

[Razp_Sorbet]

So it's only ok for cis straight ideology to be shoved down peoples throats?

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet LGBTQ+ has been canonized saints by the corporate masters.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle is it crack? You smoke crack?

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet Text book Activist Narcissism. Doing anything in her power to cleans the Sin of Whiteness. Desperate to appear like a "Good Person". I've seen it all before.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle you spit the craziest bullshit for a reaction. Your life is pathetic just admit it and move along 😌

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet What boring and impotent deflection that ultimately proves me right. So boring you cling on to any "cause" just to make yourself feel special. If I was wrong, you wouldn't be seething.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle meh idgaf

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet If you didn't, you wouldn't have replied.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle oh I meant about you or your opinion 🙃

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet Then why do you reply. Secondly, why don't you champion the idea of Killing Americans abroad? LGBT liberation can only come once All Americans are dead.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle I don't care about Americans tf 💀

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet Then you should kill them.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle I don't care enough to 💅🏻

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet And here you are replying again.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Ryfyle as are you, does that mean you care about me dawwww. Do you have a crush on me? You must! That's so cute!

[Ryfyle]

@Razp_Sorbet You flatter yourself, and I have much better options that are considerably more fun.

[midnightmoon05]

At some point, I close my classroom door and decide NOT to teach certain lessons to my 1st graders… such as mommy/mommy, daddy/daddy make families. Their parents can teach that.
My kids came home to talked to my about these LGBQXYZ … I as their mom… had a good talk and explained to them to not get brain washed by some idiots. They are as strong as their mom!

[Exterminatore]

If it’s as you said in your updates, then we can largely assume most kids have a primitive understanding about sex and likely know what a cross dresser or homosexual is. Why is there a need for further education on this matter?


After saying a homosexual is a man who is sexually attracted to other men, or a lesbian is the same but women instead, or a tranny is someone who wants to be the other gender why the need to further explain? It has been defined. They now know what those things are.



Why do 5 and 7 year olds need to have drag queen story hour? Why is it important for them to be exposed to such things so early in life if this is not a deliberate attempt to influence the minds of those who are so young in order to promote that type of lifestyle and promote the acceptance of it?

[HighValue]

Why are you trying to teach anything sexual to kids that young? You are a child abuser if you are teaching them that. You have no legitimate place in education.
The same goes for parents that give smart phones to their kids allowing them unsupervised access to the internet.

It isn't surprising though. Having worked in schools for 12 years, there are plenty of immoral people that shouldn't be in the classroom.
I wish more normal people would decide to become teachers and make a difference in education instead of allowing so many bad immoral people work in schools that keep trying to expose elementary age kids to sexual topics.

[annabananna]

Now way. I don’t want the school to be teaching my kids about that. That’s up to me as a parent. I want the school to teach my child skills and education needed to get a good job. It’s kinda creepy a teacher teaching my child about relationship matters at that age. Too many pervert teachers out there. I had three teachers growing up that ended up going to jail for stuff they did to children. One child committed suicide because of the trauma from the teacher raping him. I know that’s an extreme example but it happens and that’s why I don’t want some random person teaching my child about those subjects.

[Hedera]

Honestly, look at all the Disney movies that portray princes and princesses kissing and the like. If heterosexual relationships like that are okay to portray in children's media then they're old enough to learn about LGBTQ+ stuff.
People are born with their sexual orientation, learning that being a member of the LGBTQ+ community is common would help kids feel accepted as they are. And honestly, kids at that age are still learning what is 'normal', almost nothing is surprising to kids if you explain it at least partially to them. Unless somebody is actively telling them otherwise, if you tell kids that LGBTQ+ relationships are normal (which they are) they will just take it in stride.

[007kingifrit]

incorrect. because straight is healthy and gay is only something people do when they are damaged in some way. it isn't what healthy people stick with as an identity

[Hedera]

@007kingifrit Got any evidence to back that up, buddy? I know plenty gay people who were brought up in loving families and are the kindest people in healthy relationships, and I know plenty of straight people who are absolute assholes who abuse their partners and clearly have something wrong in the head department. Just because you are straight, and I am assuming healthy, doesn't mean gay people are unhealthy/sick.

[007kingifrit]

sure i have evidence

Gay couples produce kids with more mental problems www.cbsnews.com/.../

There is a link between abused children and those kids ending up gay

46% of gays report being molested as children where only 7% of straight people report being molested as kids
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

here is another study that points out the link between homosexuality and being abused as a child (either sexual or physical) the study goes on to say it is difficult to prove a causal link but certainly something is there
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/

stream.org/.../

[Hedera]

@007kingifrit
- Fist link: "Kids of gay parents fare worse, study finds, but research draws fire from experts"
"Because of the serious flaws, this so-called study doesn't match 30 years of scientific research that shows overwhelmingly that children raised by parents who are LGBT do equally as well as their counterparts raised by heterosexual parents," said Human Rights Campaign President Chad Griffin." Need I say more?

- Second link: This looks to be a second-hand article written in 2001 from sources dating pre-2000s, so not exactly relevant information and not as good as a primary study (plus I can't actually access the full article, just the abstract). This is important as it has only really been in the last decade or so the
homosexuality has become more socially accepted in most western cultures. Why THAT is important is because it because from the abstract I have no idea where they got their sample study, or the ages at which they molestation occurred (ie, they could have been late teens or young adults and already sexually active). Back when homosexuality was largely frowned upon, a lot of young gay men (and some women) were taken advantage of when they started experimenting with their sexuality as they were often to afraid to go to the police. In those cases, rather than being abused leading to homosexuality, their homosexuality lead to them being more open to abuse. I also have no idea what their definition of 'homosexual molestation' is, are they referring to being molested by someone of the same sex, sodomy, or the molester having been involved in homosexual relationships? If it is the latter two options, then it could have been girls being molested by men.

[Hedera]

- 3rd link: This last one can't really be used to support either argument as the results pose the same question as for the second one "is it abuse leading to homosexuality, or their homosexuality lead to them being more open to abuse?"
- Link 4: I was not able to access the full report that this article was based off of so therefore cannot judge the accuracy of the statistics used.

So I don't find these arguments very solid. Thank you for providing some links though, two of which were from a fairly reliable site :)

[Oigit]

I think you are playing with fire by doing so. But so long as it's a excuse for kids to dress like good balls I don't see it causing much of an issue. But you have to keep in mind that it's a parents job to talk to their kids about sex and various aspects of it. So if teachers start trying to give kids a education on LGBT topics, especially when their kids are that young, it's going to sure up some serious issues.

Also the whole innocence thing isn't a speech. I was forced to grow up quick. By 5th grade I had faced some harsh realities of adult life and taking on adult responsibilities in my house just to keep things from falling apart. So I was an adult long before I was 18. A hard hearted adult long before I was out on my own or even in middle school. So you need to let kids be kids and that includes protecting their innocence. Because you don't want any kid growing up fast like I did or being as hard hearted and angry as I was for many years.

[Still-alive]

what about thse children with shitty parents who don't teach there kids anything about sex? are they just shit out of luck? oh well?

[LovingLoverReturned]

I like your idea though about not making it about sexuality, but rather acceptance of different types of people who look different.
Indeed that community are very expressive...
I saw a post yesterday where an 11 year old girl dressed in a suit and tie and was bullied. Not acceptable at all.

not gonna miss it.
Whether children are innocent or not in their exploring stage of life, is subjective. Even so, it's not our right to teach certain things to other people kids if they dont want it, in such an institution.

[LovingLoverReturned]

So the person who disagrees thinks it is acceptable to bully a child?

Or they think we should shove teachings down other people's children's throats?

[LovingLoverReturned]

Only a separate class for the kids of the parents' asking you, is a solution... ...
Kids don't need to be taught about a particular group of people in order to be KIND to them.. teach kindness in general... If a kid is to bully, they will do it to any supposed weaker child... this happens among traditional people anyway.

[LovingLoverReturned]

parents*

[007kingifrit]

bullying is the basis of a healthy civilization. because the more different types of people we tolerate the harder it becomes to have a unified worldview and thus stay united as a country.

all peace is built on intolerance, not tolerance.

that's why the modern left is so dangerous. they teach you 100s of different labels to define yourself with but you're also dividing people in the process. diversity divides.

[Astarlessnightsky]

"Dress as silly as they want" on a "rainbow Friday" sounds like a really hurtfull, stereotypical viewpoint on LGBTQ community.

Something someone would do, that wants to do a lot but don't really know how. And thats usually the worst you can do.

Its a good thing to include everyone and fight hurtfull stereotypes but this idea is the exact opposite.

I remember similiar events, when adults plan something for teenages, and the adults are super happy with the whole event, while the teens are just feeling cringy and ashamed.

[Asker]

I saw this and found it to mean well. I am a member of the LGBT community. www.thedenverchannel.com/.../lakewood-teachers-start-rainbow-fridays-to-promote-inclusivity-at-school

[Asker]

I see both sides though

[JustiReno]

@lovedejj_xo problem with destroying Christian value system is you have none of your own

[weysally]

I for most things but this equal right thing, how do you see this, because I see it as there are no equal rights at all, my reasoning is this, what one group of people can do another group of people can't do,
just bare with me,
take six people walking down the street at a sea side resort, a couple of lesbians, a couple of homosexuals, and a married couple, who have been married for 30 years,
they all get the the end and the call of nature means that they all have to go, the two men go in together the two girls go in together, and the married couple has to divide,
while they are in there it pours with rain , the men decide to wait it out the girls decide to wait it out,
the married couple don't know what to do, do the make a dash for it or what, where is the equal rights there

[Jersey2]

These kids still believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny. They don’t need to know about sex and frankly gay sex. The LGBT community wants a say in this and have their way, as usual, but they are not the ones producing the vast majority of children. THEY AREN’T YOIR KIDS! We don’t want your weird F’ed up thought processes affecting our kids. Simply wanting to expose children at this age to sex and gay sex is unhinged. Their ideas suck and for many their lives suck too. Try not to screw up children just to so, e how make your self feel better. In the end this isn’t about the children for the gays, it about themselves… as usual.

[TheMajesticKing777]

I'm not sure how this can effect humanity, mostly if it starts influencing kids to change sexuality, I get that it's to help make children in the LGBT feel more accepted or whatever but I feel like it might end up brainwashing children to feel like this is normal, it's not normal, sexuality should stay away from schools, schools is a place of learning academic subjects not learning what homosexuality is.

[Asker]

So I’m looking to make it more of a group it’ll be for children that choose to join and not forced upon others

[TheMajesticKing777]

Now that is different, that would be a good idea

[bamesjond0069]

Why is anything sexual in an elementary school? Is it math? English? Science? History? No? Then get it the fuck out.

[TheMajesticKing777]

Clearly you didn't read what I said properly

[sissyalexa]

I absolutely think kids should have sexual education and I think it's great to keep an open dialogue, but I don't really see the point of teaching sexual preference, I kinda think you should just teach sexual health and to treat people well and then let people decide on how or what they feel like as regards to sexual preference, if your gay, great, if your straight, great, if your non binary or a sexual or pan sexual, great, but none of that needs to be taught that's is personal discovery!

So like I said I think teaching sexual health and safety, the importance of consent and respect, but past that I don't see why that would be a schools job 😊

[IMuser]

I believe the purpose of LGBTQ or any "tag" is to make your sexuality and romantic attraction explicit

Can such young students experience romantic attraction? Can they separate or express what they consider love and lust? (Even some adults cannot separate lust and love, including me unfortunately)

Let's assume there is a girl who have had higher female friends than male friends. She naturally feels comfortable with them due to familiarity. Will she be able to call herself straight or lesbian?

I am curious to know how you as a teacher plan to make them aware.

[Still-alive]

all it is is telling them 'its ok to be gay' its about acceptance and to help kids who are very confused about themselves.

[exitseven]

If my kids were still in the system I would be one of those parents you see on the 6 o'clock news being dragged out of the school committee meetings in handcuffs.

[Asker]

That’s fine you wouldn’t be the first.

[exitseven]

won't be the last either.

[Asker]

Of course not

[LanaDavis]

exitseven -- you are in GOOD company,. Pure deviance has taken over the public school system. If it's not dealt with now and swiftly, it will be nearly impossible to undo the damage.

Parents need to home-school and protect their children, otherwise, they must DEMAND that only basic curriculum is taught in schools. They are supposed to be learning basic skills to function in the world. Children are not supposed to be sent to taxpayer-funded, leftist indoctrination camps in America. Period.

[JustiReno]

@LanaDavis @exitseven y’all should move to a new neighborhood, this is dangerous

[exitseven]

@JustiReno I was here first and I pay taxes to run a proper school system. I am not alone in this in fact I am with the majority/. Having online courses exposed all this stuff. Parents saw first hand what is being taught to their kids. I don't blame these folks for raising a stink.

[JustiReno]

… I’m sure some town in America is still doing online class. So you’re saying your children were alone with these people and you don’t know what happened to them? Exactly why I said this is dangerous.

[exitseven]

@JustiReno yes, I never really thought too much about it. The school system in my town is rated pretty high.

[genericname85]

i do think that we should teach children how to make informed decisions in every aspect of their life. that includes of course sexuality. and i am all for having them educated about eventualities but i hugely disagree with this massive overexposure to LGBT ideas. that should be a side note, as the majority of people is straight. so we should focus on educating children mostly about "standard" sexuality. that doesn't mean "withholding" lgbtq stuff from their eyes. make that an option for those who wanna know but don't force feed everyone deviant sexual ideas and gender expressions. that is terribly harmful for a person who is sort of lost and confused in their sexual development.

[genericname85]

i feel children these days are more than ever before in history bombarded with exceptional, sensational and outragous sexual stuff, that they fail to construct a proper understanding in their mind of how the world really is. to their eyes, everyone is gay, lesbian or has some sort of sexuality, that even you never heard of. "normal" seems to devolve into some sort of side note that nobody cares about, when really that's what the focus should be on.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

Not a parent, but I am an educator. I don't feel like this is something that should be tailored towards children in that age group.

[Asker]

Well tell the class and parents that keep emailing and calling me that

[JustiReno]

@lovedejj_xo public or private?

[Asker]

Public and its not sex Ed so I don't know why people are jumping to that conclusion. It’s literally inclusion and a safe space group

[Asker]

That’s optional….

[Anonymous]

It disgusts me that this is even a discussion. Why the lgbt community is so dead set on going after kids to “educate” them is appalling. Hollywood and Disney are to blame as well. Social media is full of grown people creating sexual content and subliminal messaging to influence young children. I’ve seen YouTube kids videos with sexual innuendos, poop boob and butt jokes, play-doe stop motion gore and sex, all targeted at kids ages 2-8. Our children are under attack! It’s completely baffling. Even school districts are assigning children reading of homosexual relationships. How about we just educate kids in math, English, and science? If you want to teach kids and teens about sex, it better be BIOLOGY! XX and XY chromosomes! No abnormalities about intersex and STDs. Reproductive organs in an anatomical perspective. And I wouldn’t teach that until they are in high school in my opinion because kids shouldn’t even be considering sex until that age.

[ChrisMaster69]

It’s a tough one to do.

even with teens there is a lot of parents who can be hugely judgmental.

Personally factual knowledge without politics, judging etc is what is nearly always best.

understanding the real world around you and receiving factual information is pretty vital to education.

it does have to be relevant to their age and ability to understand as a group.

[Anonymous]

Only if it’s to educate the asshole kids who are bullying. Make it selective education to help guide the ignorant.

Let interests and activities be all inclusive. No need to force anything or separate/identify.

Kids clearly know who’s who, and if they feel something outside mainstream. The effort should be to support and make them comfortable in their own skin with personal 1v1 interaction. If they’re being targeted pull them aside check in on them, go after the kids that are assholes.

[maverick2022]

It's disgusting. I would not want my child indoctrinated into the ways of the homosexual, bisexual, transexual. People's sexuality should stay in the bedroom. The powers that be are trying to normalize pedophilia so of course parents are concerned. Look at Biden, he's grabbing adolescent girls and whispering in their ears on camera right in front of their families. Absolutely disgusting.

[Prg11]

That can only start to give results once parents and children are legally obliged to provide a medical certificate showing their real (birth and anatomical) gender.
Until then, transgendered/genitally mutilated kids will pretend to be straight but advocate we should all get castrated - or that gender is a choice you can make/not a natural development.
It's all propaganda to hide the horrors of surgery and idiotic mothers who fall pregnant in infidelity - or idiots, in general, who believe syrgeons can chop off your genitals and craft new, natural ones.

[Hedera]

Your right, gender *isn't* a choice, but not all people's bodies match their gender.

[Prg11]

@Hedera in as far as I know, they just lie about having had reassignment surgery (or their parents lie to them).
Otherwise, without surgical interventions, gender is 100% binary and always matches your anatomy/genitals you were born with.

[Hedera]

Most trans people I know just get the hormone therapy rather than surgery as the surgery can be pretty risky (especially if you're female to male) saying you're trans and not having reassignment surgery isn't lying. And what about people with mutated chromosomes who maybe born with both genitals, none of them, or an unbalanced mix of the two. How would you classify their gender?

[Still-alive]

so they're just liars? lol

[Prg11]

@Hedera it isn't my experience, but the vast majority if the ines I know are a) too obnoxious to speak to, b) too loude and insisting, c) liars about it.
They seem disconnected from reality, but, genitals amputated, for all intents and purposes, they are disconnected from what heterosexuals consider real (that pursuit of happiness in the meaning 'spouse and children/family'- which has itself become a monumental task in the west since we started financing 'China first', 'India first' and 'blakcs first'by policy.
Transgenders are happy to comply, as long as they get brownie points/some privileges - but making their lives the norm whilst to grow own children becomes an almost impossibility in the developed world, since we ship all excess value we create directly to our enemies who keep using it against us, labelling us racist colonists and mistreating us on top of it - is genuinely insane.
We seem to be running a sort of 'well, once there are not enough of us to help our enemies they will collapse on their own' kind of policy, but they keep growing and invading as 'refugees' - if we don't reverse the negative growth of developed world population numbers, there won't be a developed world to live in, just IndoChinoAfrican (opium induced) stone age.

[Hedera]

Dude, having kids isn't everything. Not getting married and having kids doesn't mean someone is going to end up miserable. You know who *does* end up miserable? People being forced to live as the wrong gender.

[Hedera]

Also your last statement sounds hella racist. Refugees are legit. People aren't about to move to the US unless they absolutely have no choice BELIEVE ME.

[007kingifrit]

this is grounds to homeschool or actually hurt the teacher. if i had cancer or something and was dying i would take the opportunity to kill her. sexual deviancy does not belong in schools.

exclusivity is inherently exclusionary to anyone with specific tastes or an identity and society cannot be built on inclucivity as a result

[007kingifrit]

*inclusivity* is inherently exclusionary. fixed it

[Vampirelover_12]

Not a parent, but how good are you at your job? I think it's alright as long as the person is good at their job. I'm bisexual and can barely stand kids (teenagers are horrible, I was one 5-6 years ago), so teaching may be off the table for me. If it's for you, then it's for you.

[007kingifrit]

you seem to not understand the subject matter here.

it doesn't matter how good or bad someone is at their job if the ideas they are teaching are morally wrong. this stuff is wrong and should not be taught at all

[Vampirelover_12]

@007kingifrit So how is teaching LGBTQ+ topics morally wrong, when some kids have gay parents?

[befuddle]

You're all for sexualizing 3rd-5th graders huh? So when did you first realize you were a pedophile?

[Andro36]

Says the trash who thinks abusive cops lives matter more than a young girls life. It is so funny how these basards think they are moral and ethical

[Shamalien]

@Andro36 are your only arguments ad hominem or do you actually have a critique of the argument?

[Andro36]

@Shamalien is there an argument to criticize?

[Shamalien]

@Andro36 she is proposing teaching sexual degeneracy in the classroom, she made a terrible argument to justify it, and you don’t see anything to criticize?

[Andro36]

@Shamalien Are you dumb? Or you just pretend? We are sexual beings. Teaching about sexual education early is the only key to more successful relationships. She's not sexualizing cause we are already sexual, idiot

[Shamalien]

@Andro36 get lost you fucking pedo. Teaching children how babies are made is very different from this absolute sicko degeneracy. Come near my kid with this shit and see what happens

[Andro36]

@Shamalien You peace of trash. Generally weirdos like you have gay and trans kids. Good luck with that 😂😂😂

[Shamalien]

@Andro36 unbelievable filth begone. I’ve got nothing against gays and trans so long as they keep their degeneracy away from children

[Andro36]

@Shamalien yeah you are the type of trash children should fear. Not gay or trans

[Shamalien]

@Andro36 be nullified

[anylolone]

@Andro36 "Young girl" you mean knife thug about to shank another girl?

[Hedera]

Leaning about LGBTQ+ stuff doesn't mean they're learning about sex stuff. Kids understand having girlfriends and stuff just fine without knowing what sex is. (Although I all kids I new at school had misinformed ideas about what sex was when I was roughly 8, so kids are already talking about it amongst themselves at that age).

[Shamalien]

@Hedera i don’t give a damn what they are talking about, they can talk what they want amongst eachother, but when you as an adult impose this DEGENERATE worldview on them you have a fucking problem, shit HEAD

[Hedera]

@Shamalien Degenerate how, exactly?

[Shamalien]

@Hedera um let me see, CONVINCING CHILDREN TO STERILIZE THEMSELVES SO THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN GENDER? Cult ideology which leads to IRREVERSIBLE hormonal damage? Are you FUCKING DENSE!!!

[Hedera]

@Shamalien Lol, how is that convincing kids to sterilise themselves? Many people in LGBTQ+ relationships have children, including transgender people. And so even if they don't want to have kids, so what? Plenty of straight people don't want kids either. It's not as though educating kids is forcing them to do anything. What they decide to do with the info is up to them.

[Djaay]

Shamalion... Agree... F'gs are grooming the little ones.

[Shamalien]

@Hedera what is the result of hormone therapy? Sterilization. Think I’m wrong? YOU’RE WRONG FUCKIN LEARN SOMETHING

[befuddle]

@Andro36 1) Prepubescent children are generally considered age 13 years or younger. That means that they have not entered puberty yet. Puberty is the process of physical changes through which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of “sexual reproduction”. Bellow that age range, kids are not sexual beings. If you believe they are, then you are acting on your own pedophilia desires. You as an adult that has passed through puberty are a sexual being, but they still have not matured through that biological process yet.

[befuddle]

@Hedera 2) You can’t teach about LGBTQ+ stuff without bring sex into the conversation. That is what the entire conversation is. Just in case you missed the memo LGBTQ+ is an acronym for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and of course the silent P represented by the plus is a Minor-Attracted Person (Pedophile). Lets define those terms and see if sex comes up.

Lesbian: a woman who is “sexually” or romantically attracted to other women
Gay

Gay: of, relating to, or characterized by “sexual” or romantic attraction to people of one's same “sex”.

Bi-”sexual”: of, relating to, or characterized by “sexual” or romantic attraction to people of one's same “sex” and of the opposite “sex”.

[befuddle]

@Hedera Transgender: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity differs from the “sex” the person had or was identified as having at birth.

gender Queer: of, relating to, or being a person who identifies or express themself beyond what is often linked to the “sex” and gender they were assigned at birth.

Pedophile: of, relating to, or being a person who has a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive “sexual” attraction to prepubescent children.

Everything about LGBTQ+ stuff sex stuff. There is no way around it. You are trying to sexual children. Those who sexualize children are pedophiles. It’s pretty clear cut.

[befuddle]

@Andro36 Damn straight adults who enforce laws agreed upon by a civilization have more value to that civilization than pedophiles like you that rape little children. Even if some of them are assholes that physically assault their spouse and punch them in the face and give them a black eye or whatever, that is still a lesser crime than than torturing and raping helpless children you sick fuck.

[befuddle]

*is sex

[befuddle]

@Andro36 adults have the ability to walk away and escape an unhealthy relationship. They have the legal rights to run their own lives. Children are trap with no escape, and lunatics like you get off on power trips by molesting and abusing helpless innocent people.

[Hedera]

@befuddle "Sometimes, girls want to have a girlfriend instead of a boyfriend, and sometimes boys want a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend. It doesn't matter as long as both are happy and love each other."
"Sometimes a girl might be born in a boy's body, and sometimes a boy might be born in a girl's body"
Boom, there, taught what being gay or trans is without it being remotely sexual, how hard is it?

[Hedera]

@Shamalien My uncle is transgender so I think *maybe* I know a little more on this topic than you. Not everyone who is trans chooses to undergo hormone therapy, at lot of trans people wait until after they have kid before undergoing hormone therapy (or freeze eggs and sperm). Even if they do choose to not have kids, I don't see how that affects you? Not everyone wants kids man.
It's not as though they force people into hormone therapy or are just slapping it out there without informing people of the side effects. Trans people have to be psychologically evaluated to ensure that hormone therapy is the correct path for them, and then they are monitored throughout their treatment to make sure that they are reacting well to it.

[Andro36]

I don't have time to read all that crap you vomit from your "brain"

[Andro36]

You just show that white rural American people who are. not educated hence see education as a thread. Unfortunately. there are millions like you

[Hedera]

@Andro36 First of all, I'm not American (thankfully).

[Andro36]

@Hedera I can tell cause you are smarter. That message was for all those white folks

[Hedera]

@andro36 Aha sweet no worries. I'm white, but these people seem to be just racist, homophobic bigots that only know how to spread hate and ignorance. I genuinely feel sorry for their kids.

[anylolone]

@Hedera I don't even care about "psychological evaluation" just don't go around grooming kids.

All those detransitioned women? Who started a college?
I don't care.
(and men as well, though there's less)
My concern is with the kids.

And it's not this whole castration thing either, it's the grooming happening while reading comprehension and math efficacy reach abysmal levels.

[Hedera]

@anylolone WHAT GROOMING? Telling them that it's okay for them to be themselves?

[Andro36]

@anylolone you are another sample of why the United States can no longer be considered a first world country

[befuddle]

@Andro36 If you have no intention of talking to me or listening to anything I say, then don’t spam my post nine times with your bullshit while I’m at work. You’re done. Get back to your pedophile community on reddit. I won't put up with your narcissism.

[befuddle]

@Hedera Oh yeah... What's a boyfriend? What's a girlfriend? Why are they different than regular friends? What's sex? I've actually taught sex education to kids before. I know how they respond... You just try to molest them. You're a gross person.

[Shamalien]

Don’t waste your time on these disgusting reddit pedos. If there’s one site I could take down it woyld be reddit

[josephinelcajon]

Doesn't matter straight or gay we all need to accept people 0 to 100+ are sexual. Europeans teach kids from birth and are far more open minded about allowing them to masturbate and explore. It has been proven to raise the age of virginity and lower pregnancy and STDs! It has also almost eliminated child molestation and rape of all ages! Sticking your head in the sand and teaching absence does not work!

[JustiReno]

“It has also almost eliminated child molestation and rape of all ages!“ - FALSE

1000 year dark age in Europe ended when Pope Francis shut down the Vatican Bank.

[josephinelcajon]

@JustiReno It is very obvious we are talking about recent current education.

[JustiReno]

Homosexuality and pedophilia are not new, popes would see gay prostitutes over about 500-1000 years a few had syphilis or gonorrhea. But you’re right you want to teach your kids sex because innocence and trust is what sexual predators prey on

[Seinna]

I'm sorry, which Europeans? I've lived in 2 European countries... 2 out of nearly 50. Who are you to make such a claim about an entire continent of completely and vastly different people and cultures? Stop insulting us. Europe is not one country like the US. And I personally know people from literary all over the world and I've yet to meet one who'd claim to teach children about masturbation from birth or if they did, they'd be locked up as they should be. Sexualizing children is NOT a way of protecting them from abuse and that's DEFINITELY not why there's a push in AMERICA, not Europe to do so. And any school that would propose such a thing in the countries that I am personally familiar with would burn. It makes me wonder if you yourself have such tendencies and should be kept away from society.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

It shouldn’t be present in schools. It’s ideological indoctrination.

[dustybiker]

American schools have too much difficulty teaching the basics already.

[Razp_Sorbet]

This sounds amazing. You should definitely do it. Lgbtq+ kids will be eternally grateful for being included.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Oh and would be super helpful for kids who have lgbtq+ parents and help other kids understand that, that is very normal.

[RebeccaBI2000]

I would offer it for an after school program. Elementary school though is pushing it. I did not take any sex education classes till high school and I knew a lot of parents who were even against their kids being in their or made it so they would not even need to take it.

[007kingifrit]

even sex ed should only be "here is how condoms work, don't get an STD" not "you can identify as anything you want here are a bunch of pseudoscience genders"

[TallAnon]

Maybe a controversial opinion, but I'm not a fan of doing LGBT events/activities, etc. Mainly because it tells them that it's not "normal". We don't have "straight" activities because it's "normal". Why bring attention to a division between lgbt and straight?
I know people do it to normalize lgbt topics, but why teach them from a young age that it requires normalizing to begin with?

[Asker]

This gives black history month debate which we get push back on that too. Look we didn't bring it up I have a lot of parents contacting me saying their child is struggling. So it is now being brought up

[TallAnon]

Indeed, I think the same about black history month.
Some things to consider.. What some parents want might not be what is for the best. But this is something that should be talked about higher up with management. You are a teacher, right? Not the principal? Unless I misunderstood.
Then the next thing to consider, there's always a vocal minority, the majority may not agree.
Ultimately this is likely to start debates and could easily escalate, so try not to bear all the responsibilties, share it with your colleagues.

[JustiReno]

@lovedejj_xo @TallAnon I dont think white people should teach black history to white kids it’s just weird. Please teach them economic history like the Ascent of Money or the roots of globalism in the Age of Discovery. They can do without learning anything about this, it’s not their culture. I went to a “leftist” private grade school for 9 years. It was majority black but the first time I remember being exposed to any kind of “black history” was when my mother took me to see Amistad in theaters when I was in 1st or 2nd grade. Though I do think even the young kids marched on MLK day. We watched Roots, learned about apartheid and the Holocaust but the things I remember the most are going to the flight museum and taking the controls of a plane in air, going to salmon hatchery and waste management plant. Definitely a lefty but I love my community

[TallAnon]

Hmmm, I don't think I fully agree with that, since not all places actually have black people (where I am from, countryside of the Netherlands, seeing a black person is extremely rare).
I think history is history and should be discussed as all other history. I wouldn't try to hide the events of the VOC and the slavery in those times for example. But make it part of the regular curriculum instead of special events. Just like the Opium Wars don't need special Asian events to go along with it and the discovery of America doesn't need to be told by a native American.

[JustiReno]

I’d sit down to hear you talk about the VOC sir. Was it payback for the Iberian inquisitions?

[TallAnon]

The VOC or the East-India House was a very lucrative business that solidified the Dutch position of influence for many generations, even officially bring a "golden age", by fully exploiting any and everyone, including slavery. They were also indeed a big force in the Eighty Years' War, which resulted in the Dutch independence. Our national anthem was also written at the start of this war, so all of this is still being taught to us quite clearly. Around the age of.. 8-10 year old.

[JustiReno]

Ah I see, 34 years in between start of Dutch independence and VOC’s founding! Very interesting I know little of modern European history I think I just learned about Greece Rome and the French Revolution in school

[MrTaboo]

HELL NO!

STOP GROOMING CHILDREN!!! perverts!

[Andro36]

Says the trash that "rents sex" Have you ever paid for sex? Did you enjoy it? ↗

[lrina]

@Andro36 so? those prostitutes chose to become prostitutes, and that's how they earn their food. it's better than raping someone.

[Andro36]

@lrina No, it is not better. Many women are not prostitutes because they love to. Be a little more considerate to your own gender

[Andro36]

So you opose for kids to be educated, not "groomed", but agree for a woman to be objectified, sometimes even against their will?

[lrina]

@Andro36 well if they have no choice but to become prostitutes, you're still giving them money for the sex. without it, they'll just be on the streets. they chose to become prostitutes because to them, that's better than being on the streets. so it's perfectly fair.

[Andro36]

@lrina have you heard about women being trafficked? Seems like you don't, take a look at DW, watch some real documentaries, who told you all prostitutes chose to be in that position? Wow ignorance is really daring. Someone who paya for sex is sick and are also contributing to many women's misery

[lrina]

@Andro36 if you take away prostitutes, there'd be a lot more rape going around. and either way it's not like this guy is murdering anyone, so i don't see why you're so heated.

[Andro36]

Yeah! DOnt you think there must be something really bad in society when women have to sell their bodies to disgusting trashy men to eat? Seems like your low self esteem makes you believe standing up for some guys you do not even know, will make you feel better

[lrina]

@Andro36 it's simply nature for men to want sex, since in nature this is seen as the only way for the human race to carry on. of course having sex with everyone isn't as important anymore and things such as rape are downright despicable and unacceptable, but it still doesn't get rid of the instincts entirely. and if we're taking the low self esteen route, then it must be sad being a 36 year old woman arguing against a 13 year old girl. how low is YOUR self esteem?

[Andro36]

@lrina SO you are not worth enough to discuss with you? hahahahaha probably. It is just funny how you justify men girl, there is something really wrong with you. By the way, women like sex too!

[lrina]

@Andro36 yeah, obviously lots of them do too. never said they didn't.

[anylolone]

@Andro36 One has a choice.

The moment he hires a prostitute to rape his boy, you call back.
Otherwise we don't care.

[MrTaboo]

Depends on what you call "paying for sex" is. Out exchange money for naughty, no. Pay for dinner have a great time and then sex, yes.

[weysally]

@Andro36 to me there isn't much difference between grooming and sex education, but its with whom your educated, the verbal side of it I was told by my parents, the physical side was with my first lover,
from each of these on here there is a bit of truth in them all, some are into prostitution by choice, some are into it to live, some are just into it for money, but no matter what, it depends on the who, not so much the why

[Tyrael]

Not a fan of it. Don't see the need for it at that age, or in school for that matter.

[Asker]

Its needed I have children questioning and once it affects their education and focus it becomes a school concern rather than outside support.

[Asker]

Not for all which is why I want to keep it as a group and optional

[crmoore]

I don't think it should be like hidden from kids. If there's a gay couple and they see and ask about it, tell them. But when you're actively teaching kids about it, especially when boys are young and think girls have cooties, you absolutely can confuse them. And I'm personally of the (apparently unconventional) opinion that sexuality is maluable to an extent. So I do wonder to what extent this might be literally inclining children towards certain outcomes.

[crmoore]

Malleable*

[JustiReno]

This why you gotta either move to a safe neighborhood for you (accepting of gay people or free of its influence) and teach your kids yourself before school TV music and the internet brainwash them

[ninaneedshelp]

That's foolishness. Half those kids can't read and you're going to teach them that?

[Anonymous]

You should absolutely not have ANYTHING to do with the "LGBT" agenda. Words cannot describe how wrongful, evil and ungodly all that stuff is. I pray that you have the fortitude to reject all that wickedness.

[artstatues]

Can you please leave the kids actually be kids? They're too young for this stuff
This is wrong

[artstatues]

It shouldn't be a problem taught in school

[AviatorTom]

I don't think any sexuality-based group is appropriate for elementary school. That would include LGBT groups or Straight groups.

[katiesmuff]

Outside of teaching about our bodies, what sex is and why, nothing else should be taught in school. Sex orientation and such are not school subjects.

[007kingifrit]

well that's what democrats get ya

[katiesmuff]

@007kingifrit Fuck Off you dumb prick

[007kingifrit]

why must you always make this personal instead of accepting gracefully you are wrong?

[Reijen]

I find it dubious you're being asked by a lot of parents to run those kinda groups.

[joeldalton]

I don't want you teaching my children anything about deviant lifestyles.

[AvaOneLasTime]

Not a parent, sorry, just wanted to say that, we don't have those, where i live in.
Thank Goodness

[DizzyDesii]

I think that should stay outside of school. Maybe set up an after school program or something

[Asker]

I agree I was leaning towards after school many are pushing during!

[DizzyDesii]

Yea no people will riot

[cth96190]

It is vile Communist indoctrination and paedophile grooming of children.
Home school now. 😡

[MrtoddsWildRide]

My daughter is a member of the LGBTQ+ community. If it helps her feel accepted, then I am happy about it

[Creampiekarl420]

People should be at least at a college level age before becoming that insufferable

[Miristheiss]

It shouldn't be mentioned in school at all.
Nothing.

[goaded]

How about if a child has two mothers or two fathers? Should the school insist that the only valid family is a mother and a father?

[Miristheiss]

@goaded
This stuff shouldn't be coming up at all.
I don't even know what you are talking about.
"school insist"... insist what? Teach history, mathematics, science, English (or your country's language), Literature, economics, geography.

It is not the school's job to push fringe social causes and political controversies to my kids. Stick to the core tenants of education

[goaded]

No, that's not what I'm asking. Say little Jane's fathers both come to a school event. Do you think her schoolmates aren't going to have questions? How should their teachers respond to those questions? Should the teachers be stopped from answering them?

[Miristheiss]

@goaded
It really isn't their place. They can ask their own parents about stuff like that.
No one knows their history. Adoption? 2 divorced men that are bi that have a child from one of the marriages to an ex wife? Did they get a surrogate? That isn't the schools role to poke into the family dynamics so they can tell all the kids. It's just not the school's job.

[Razp_Sorbet]

But that's what happens when you're kids in school. You write up family trees and you talk about your family. The teachers aren't intending to talk about sex, they're just wanting to discuss different family situations i. e. Sally lives with her mum and dad, Robert has two mum's, Patty lives with her grandparents. It's important to show kids that these things are normal early on in development to avoid bullying and mental illness from not understanding your own feelings.

[goaded]

@Razp_Sorbet Exactly! We had enough problems when my wife and I kept our family names; the idea was girl children got her surname and boys got mine (I did almost get arrested for trafficing, but that's another story). Teachers are there to answer the children's questions, and should be there to support all their students. They shouldn't be prevented from doing that by law.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@goaded yes we have the ability to teach an inclusive mindset into kids for a better future for them and future generations. Why wouldn't we want to teach our kids about loving healthy relationships?

[Miristheiss]

@Razp_Sorbet
Never did a family tree for school.
Did not know the mom dad situation for any kids... unless they were my personal friends.
You guys thinking this is part of education just shows how messed up public schools are and why the U. S. scores so low against the world

[Razp_Sorbet]

Well you were in school a long time ago. I also don't live in the united states, so maybe it's different here but we definitely did family trees. Every year in a new class infact, first day of school you would always make an "introducing me" poster which included drawing a family tree.

[modeve]

Absolutely NOT a good idea.

[Chthou95]

Let kids be fucking kids. Why do people especially from the left want to push this stuff on kids so much? Let them be

[Still-alive]

They can still be kids…

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive let kids learn about kid stuff that their parents would allow them to do (few parents will allow their kids of kid age to have a sexual relationship)... sexuality isn't important right now... all they need to know is to not let anyone touch their private parts (their parents job to tell them)... when they reach that stage they can get that info for that stage... if they and their parents want... this is an age of internet... almost everyone knows how to use it, usually the young people

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned i got news for you most kids don't learn that stuff from their parents... but from other kids lol

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive What stuff?

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive it doesn't change the fact that this teacher adult has to not infringe on people

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned anything sex related. they learn all the jokes and such at an early age. trust me your kids likely know more than they let on.

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned thats not infringing. literally all it is is telling people its ok to be gay... i see nothing wrong with this.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive not necessary. And no it is not. . A sorry excuse... I mentioned somewhere else that teach children kindness to everyone.. no need to incorporate sexuality... why bit teach "it's okay to be ugly"... no.. just teach kindness... if a child or adult wants to bully... they will based on the kids perceived weakness... and bullies form from their household...

[LovingLoverReturned]

Teach kindness and self confidence... no need for ideologu

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned teaching 'its ok to be ugly' is not the same as 'its ok to be gay'

i also guarantee you that the straight kids are bullying and making fun of the gay kids or just homosexuality in general... can you imagine what that does to a child who is already experiencing gay feelings? it does happen at a young age. but having adults telling them this is ok i feel alleviates this a lot. it teaches acceptance and makes them feel more normal and less abnormal.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive yup. Being ugly or deformed is much worse of an experience than being a certain sexuality. The way a person looks is not hidden...
If a person chooses to reveal that they are gay, that is not obvious...
If a person's family disagrees and the child follows the example of their beloved mummy and daddy, there is nothing a teacher can other than arrangements to discipline bullying.

[LovingLoverReturned]

Confidence and kindness are the only things they can reasonably teach... and remember it may go through an ear for some children... due to the homes they come from... something is wrong here... when I went to school, it was high school where I first was exposed to sexuality, I met a bi or gay, and bullying wasn't a thing.. I was a friend of this guy... I was never taught it is okay to be gay.. I just learnt to respect everyone...

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "If a person chooses to reveal that they are gay, that is not obvious"

so is when a person reveals they are straight... odd how that works both ways huh?

" I met a bi or gay, and bullying wasn't a thing"

anecdotes do not reflect reality. you may have not experienced this but i guarantee you the vast majority of gay kids have been ridiculed and bullied throughout their lives in school.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive This doesn't change what I said. I don't speak about just myself. I have eyes and ears observed all the students around me... Children will be all kind or some will bully... and teaching against a parent's will only worsen the situation of hate.. actually most bullys of gays are gay themself... and this self hate and hate of others comes from their home... teaching against the will of parent's will only worsen this divide and the hateful parent's will become more hateful for disrespecting their right tower their children's learning...

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive People are bullied for all sorts or reasons. Homos aren't special in that sense. A bully will find any reason to bully. And this is why kids are better taught self confidence in general.

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "and teaching against a parent's will only worsen the situation of hate"

citation needed. i don't see ANY evidence of this

"actually most bullys of gays are gay themself"

citation needed. more anecdotes... basically just to prove your point because frankly you sound like you don't have anything so you're just making things up at this point.

"and this self hate and hate of others comes from their home"

which is contradictory from what you're saying lol. you not seeing this? so its up to the parents to teach their kids htis stuff... and yet its at the home where this self hate comes from?

whereas if we just have teachers teach this stuff we can avoid a majority of this. im sure you realize there are a LOT of bad parents out there right? that don't give a fuck about teaching their kids anything about this.

" teaching against the will of parent's will only worsen this divide and the hateful parent's will become more hateful for disrespecting their right tower their children's learning... "

no evidence NONE that you have provided. just spouting random nonsense at this point...

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned " People are bullied for all sorts or reasons."

not an excuse... and this is abuser logic by the way

"Homos aren't special in that sense."

No they are. i guarantee you most kids who discover they are gay are absolutely scared out of their minds coming out because of the bullying and outright homophobia

A bully will find any reason to bully. And this is why kids are better taught self confidence in general."

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive Yeah I provided the same amount of evidence you did... you can simply Google it and many articles will show

[LovingLoverReturned]

Sciencetific America is one example about homophobes secret

There have been testimonies of people, throughout history, who admitted to bullying gays only to come out as gay... but human minds are complex...

This is beside the point... it is common sense , you can read through the comments, see that some parents say... so you have never seen on the news where parents disagreed with teachers?
Fine.
Keep your eyes closed... at the end of the day,
They can't force any child to learn about anything... and if they have their parents behind them more so.

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "so you have never seen on the news where parents disagreed with teachers?"

about what?

"They can't force any child to learn about anything"

no one forces the kids to learn anything... but it is still effective for kids to learn from a teacher about tolerance of others.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive you are insinuating that this community is more important than anyone else... you know very well, people are bullied for how they look, if they are a need, colour of their skin etc... it is not efficient or sensible... to make a class for every problem... and this is why self confidence and respect are the only all inclusive , unbiased lessons to teach.

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "you are insinuating that this community is more important than anyone else"

how so?

"people are bullied for how they look" yes.. and?

"to make a class for every problem"

intolerance of homosexuality is a huuuuuuge problem. you can't deny this.

[LovingLoverReturned]

I also have news : more problems are to come.

So my point is teaching tolerance should not be SPECIFIC to one community

When more problems come will you Make a class for every one?

A guidance counselor at school his handle children who have no support at home.. this is a separate time

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "So my point is teaching tolerance should not be SPECIFIC to one community"

and i disagree. i think there should.

tolerance is a net benefit to society and should be taught in all schools. that is my take here. homosexuality being among them.

there's also classes that teach about the history of racism and why thats wrong. and other specific ones.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive I can deny. Not because homosexuals are a small percentage of societies... but because I see bullying is not centered on homos.
Some people are living in a selfish bubble.. m
I watch multiple news from different American cities and around the world every week.. and I guarantee you that there is bullying majority not anything related to children sexuality (actually, I haven't seen any fresh news at all about sexuality)

The last new I can remember or that is whwre a prisoner was killed for trying to be sexual with another male prisoner... are homosexuals locked in a cell with violent people?

No... so give an example of how a homosexual was bullied in school and then outside of school (hopefully not a result of getting sexual at the work place)

[LovingLoverReturned]

The point anywya is that there are q lot of problems.. bullying is a problem... bullying of homosexuals is not a special nor a huge problem.. you make majority of people out to be demons, when most people respect others, unless disrespected..

[LovingLoverReturned]

How many homosexual you know was bullied by every student and had no friends?

Compared to straight bullied children.

And that is my last.. have a good day

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "but because I see bullying is not centered on homos."

then you're blind. it. is. happening. open your eyes more

"The last new I can remember or that is whwre a prisoner was killed for trying to be sexual with another male prisoner... are homosexuals locked in a cell with violent people?"

WTF are you on about here? lol

"I've an example of how a homosexual was bullied in school and then outside of school "

willful ignorance on your part... anyways here have these:

https://phdessay.com/homophobia-in-schools/
educationstudies.org.uk/.../204.pdf
abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=15388835
www.pinknews.co.uk/.../

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "How many homosexual you know was bullied by every student and had no friends? "

me personally? not a whole lot. but i acknowledge that its still a huge problem that needs addressing.

read all my links provided and see

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive One last thing actually.
Racism became a part of government and had inhumane laws... you were legally allowed to kill and imprison black merely for interacting with whites wrong place and time...

You can't compare it.

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "Racism became a part of government and had inhumane laws... you were legally allowed to kill and imprison black merely for interacting with whites wrong place and time..."

Homosexuality was also outlawed forever too... and yes it is comparable.

look we know you are just a homophobe at this point. you are desperately trying to portray yourself as 'looking out for the children' when all you're doing here is revealing how intolerant YOU are of gay people...

[LovingLoverReturned]

You can't see a person and know they are homosexual or prove it easily in those times... long time ago it was normal for men to sleep in the homes of men shen traveling or sharing as roommates..

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "You can't see a person and know they are homosexual or prove it easily in those times"

so? you can't see a person and know they're straight either.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive I don't deny honophobias existence. My point is that the problem is no different than any problem of bullying. You are free to do what you want with your children. Public classes aren't supposed to be biased and selfish like you want them to be. The whole time I said that kindness and respect can be taught without bringing up sexuality to children.

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "Public classes aren't supposed to be biased and selfish like you want them to be."

and yet they are anyways... for straight people

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Still-alive homosexuals were not slaves.

So... if it was major persecution, it would have made history... There were no mass killings of homosexuals (compared to random serial killings)... and definitely not to the large scale of killing and torture of blacks.

Homosexuals were not slaves.

[LovingLoverReturned]

You have stooped so low into delusion. That you are comparing an enslaved race to people with unidentifiable sexuality..

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned " if it was major persecution, it would have made history"

ever heard of something called the Holocaust? yeah thats right it wasn't just jews. homosexuals were among them... history is a thing...

"That you are comparing an enslaved race to people with unidentifiable sexuality.. "

I'm comparing the INTOLERANCE of people to each other.. pay attention. you are pivoting to points i NEVER made.

[LovingLoverReturned]

Lots of people leave school they hated and go onto be successful.. look at these gays and lesbians... I see them in many interviews today... https://youtu.be/kFwBt4xfsfA

Bullying is not unique to any particular person.. except more often those who stand out due to physical differences... and even these people (not referring to homos) thrive without having their environment tailored to make them feel special.

History classes are not biased by the way... It teaches facts... not opinion... objective fact... and it is up to the student what they take away... there are still modern day Nazis...

[Still-alive]

@LovingLoverReturned "History classes are not biased by the way... It teaches facts... not opinion... objective fact... and it is up to the student what they take away... there are still modern day Nazis"

yes they are. it how they teach those facts thats brings out the bias.

and duh there's still nazi's

anyways you made your point that bullying homosexuals is not unique. i just really disagree with this.

it is unique to them. and i guarantee you if there was more acceptance and tolerance of homosexuality being taught this wouldn't be an issue anymore.

[Chthou95]

They can learn it when they reach a certain age. I don't give a fuck if lgbt feel offended. Kids need to be kids and when they're old enough & want to learn more about said stuff, then by all means. Just because they're not aware of it, doesn't make that a bad thing

[Still-alive]

"Just because they're not aware of it, doesn't make that a bad thing "

yes it does. it means for those kids who later discover they are gay themselves didn't have the knowledge necessary in order to handle it. and many develop depression and anxiety over it. a lot of them are also scared of coming out for fear of ridicule and bullying.

[Dchrls78104]

To me that seems to be just what Drs. Epstein, Nassar, and Sandusky would order.

[Asker]

Hmmm

[Anonymous]

I'm for it if it helps educate the closed-minded and bullies.

[Evilbunnyfoofoo]

School should be about school. Not aberrant behavior.

[alice55]

I don't think it should be talked in school.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

I think it would have to be done very carefully and honestly.
The fact is that children can be easily influenced.

[spiralshape]

I mean sure as long as they teach Madonna's 1980s songs first

[Ryfyle]

Yeah, how about teaching math or shit that matters.

[DermalPunch]

It's why I chose homeschool among other things.

[Anonymous]

I'm asexual. I never felt the need to join anything related to the lgbtq.

[Andres77]

That's not your prerogative.
School board has to approve any changes to the curriculum.

[Asker]

Curriculum to teaching isn’t getting changed but I am the head of the schools diversity, inclusion, and SEL. So please don’t dictate to me what I cannot do.

[Andres77]

Punk, whatever.
I bet there are some parents that DON'T approve of the shyt you're talking about.
I'm not telling you what to do but you don't own those kids and there are some that parents that will snap your ass up and put a stop on your homosexual indoctrination.

[LanaDavis]

Andres77 --- you've cut to the heart of this! They absolutely DO act like they own the children.
The ones pushing this garbage in schools and in public libraries too, are part of a very wide, organized network that literally never quits. This is all they think about, post about and talk about... they're taking down the American flag to put up the rainbow one in class, they're reprimanding children who say the 'wrong pronouns"... it's already way out of control and has gone too far.

If anyone thinks this is "conspiracy theory", wake up and look at the backgrounds of the "new hires" at your local schools and libraries. Take the time to do this and protect your children.

[Kiran_Yagami]

LGBT should be a high school lesson, not an elementary school lesson.

[goaded]

"Some children just have a mum or a dad, but not both, some have two mums or two dads." - that's not exactly pornography, is it?

[Kiran_Yagami]

@goaded So? No one argued that it was porn. Just that it should be reserved for a certain age.

[goaded]

What age would what I said be inappropriate for?

[Kiran_Yagami]

@goaded Like I said, high school.