The real reason men are struggling is because the dating pool is much wider now. Even the fattest ugliest girls can go online and get dozens of guys begging for a date. The days of just settling for a guy because he's got two legs and his own teeth are long long gone.
I don’t think men should be made to feel like they can’t express their normal range of emotions. Yes be strong, but not “strong” to the detriment of their mental health. I have two nephews and I would never ever ever make them feel like it’s not acceptable to come and talk to me about how they’re feeling, whatever those feelings are. Anger and sexuality are poor outlets for all of the other natural human emotions we ALL experience, they should not be shamed into repressing those to the point that they out out in anger or objectifying women.
But I do agree that men these days seem to have forgotten how to keep going just because things get a bit hard, that stuff is what builds character. That stuff is what allows you to become vulnerable and find that true connection regardless of the setbacks in the process. You adapt and learn how to overcome those challenges, not run away and blame or selfishly take from others.
I agree with everything except Mansplaining. That is a divisive feminist term which equates to reverse sexism, and it's disgusting. Condescension and patronizing are committed by both genders and extremely often. A lot of perceived condescension is innocent in nature because to put it simply, you never know what someone knows. A recipe for success is to always assume whomever you converse with, knows something you don't, no matter how annoying they may be. Nobody is the font of all knowledge.
The only other point I would add is introspection. The path of least resistance is to blame failure on others. This goes for both gendets. In terms of finding a good woman, unless you address your faults, (and acknowledge that you have them, you'll get nowhere. If you are constantly rejected... the problem is possibly YOU! What's the common denominator?
If a Woman feels inadequate or inferior because the person who explains something to her happens to have a different set of chromosomes then the fault lies with her 🤷♂️
Agree 100%. This partly has to do with lazy parents of the previous generation also not teaching these boys how to become men. Weak fathers and single mother households especially with these men having no strong male role models growing up.
My dad is definitely a manly man. He's blue collar and he fixes a whole lot of shit. He makes shit, too! But when it comes to women he never was a cassanova or a player of any kind. Which is good because I got my manners and morals from him. But bad because I have no game.
That's the trouble. Those values and morals are good, but when taken to a certain point they can also cripple you, especially in today's society. The rules and the way things work have changed over the last few decades. It's not enough to be a good man anymore. In order to succeed - to have game - you have to reject some of those old values, as well as the way society in general tells us how to act.
The reason "nice guys" fail and "bad boys" succeed isn't because "bad boys" treat women like shit or that they're bad people, it's because they don't play by the rules. In fact that's the way most successful people get ahead.
@englisc I will agree that what you say is accurate, and it certainly applies to me and describes my situation very well. But I don't really want to change. This is who I am. This is a part of my character. Maybe I can just be more bold; I will give you that. And I have been working on that lately.
I don't think you'd need to change that much, just your approach when it comes to women and dating, and perhaps some false beliefs. The main reason many guys struggle with dating really is that they don't understand women. Society really teaches men to act like the same spineless nice guys women complain about. Being bold is really all it takes to make a difference.
For example the average guy will obsess over the same girl for a while trying to find the perfect time to ask her out. Usually the time when he thinks she's interested, when she gives him some kind of sign. He does everything he can to avoid being rejected. Then when he asks her out he beats around the bush. He takes her on a date and tries his best to impress her, basically trying to tell her what he thinks she wants to here, is overly polite etc. That's the idea right? You're supposed to be this perfect gentleman, take her on a whole bunch of dates and hopefully she'll eventually fall for you, if you play your cards right. The trouble with this is that it usually bores the shit out of her and often just makes you look like a kiss-ass.
All of that can be remedied by simply being more bold and not worrying about rejection. You like the girl - look her dead in the eyes, tell her that you like her and ask her out. If she says no you just accept it and move on. Then when you're with her, speak your mind. Don't be so overly polite because that leads to boring conversation. Be flirty, tease her a bit. Create some sexual tension. Don't be a dick or a sleazebag, but don't try to be this perfect gentleman either. Be ballsy.
Again this is the trouble. Being respectful is obviously good. Not overstepping boundaries is also good. Worrying about being respectful to the point where you barely flirt with her, never make a move etc. because you're so afraid to take that chance in case she reacts negatively is what cripples you.
I think it’s because of two things. The “real man” and feminism.
What makes women attracted to men, is the “real man.” What makes feminists angry is the “real man” but feminists still want to have sex with and marry a “real man.”
Feminism has taught all men to stop being “real men.” A “real man” is simply a man whose character is sexually attractive to women. Women may enjoy a man’s looks, but am I wrong to say that women vastly prefer this “real man” over a guy who simply looks good?
Feminism tears down this “real man” and tells him he is a bad person, a monster. So the majority of good men out there seek to show that they are good men who aren’t bad or evil.
And by doing this, they lose all sexual attraction from women.
And then what is the response? Posts like OP pointing a finger at men. “YOU men have stopped being men! You’re all pussies now and us women hate it! MAN UP!” But you see, society has taught us all that the man you are sexually attracted to is a bad person. Not physically. Action wise. Like I said before, would you rather have a “real man” or a pussy guy who looks good? The real man is the guy that feminism hates (yet wants to fuck anyways) and the pussy guy is the guy that tries to be a good man who contributes to society and brings good into the world. That also makes him unattractive to women. That’s how I see it anyways. I could Go on and on but I’m sure nobody will read this anyways.
A significant number of men of all ages have stopped approaching females, because they do not want to become a @metoo story, or face a false rape allegation, or a sexual harassment complaint. In Britain, for example, it has become a hate crime for a male to approach a female. The law was introduced on the pretext of doing something about catcalling, but the way that it was worded criminalised any approach by a man to a woman that the woman decided, after the event, that she did not like. Catcallling laws elsewhere in the world have been worded in similar ways. In Britain, at least one man has served prison time because he approached a woman on the street. Because men are not clairvoyant, they have no way to know whether or not their approach would be welcome, so the only rational course of action is to not approach.
Part 2 The use of catcalling laws to criminalise normal heterosexual interaction is a global Feminist plan. If you put the terms into a search engine, you will find video and print reports of Feminists demanding such laws in various countries. The current social and legal environment is extremely hostile to men. The risks are: 1. Approach a female = be charged with an Orwellian hate/thought crime and go to gaol. Criminal record for sexual harassment, life over. 2. Ask a woman on a date and actually go on the date = risk of becoming a @metoo story and/or a false rape allegation that will end his education and/or career. His life will be over. 3. Have consensual sex with a female = a false rape allegation after she regrets the sex, or her parents, or even husband, want an explanation for where she was the previous night. Life over. 4. Cohabit with or marry a female = 50 per cent probability of being dragged through a hostile Family Court system, which will give between 50 per cent and everything that the man owns to the female, then use child support and spousal support orders to impoverish him for the rest of his life. Suicide is common at this point, because court can order child support that exceeds the man's capacity to pay. Consequently, he will be staring at an indefinite prison sentence. Look up comedian and actor Robin Williams. There are also standard false allegations of spousal rape, domestic violence and that he molested his own children. So, a man could run the gauntlet of those life-destroying risks, or he could stay home and masturbate over something on PornHub, then go to sleep. Decision in. . . three. . . two. . . one. . .
Part 3 I tried to provide a reference list of links to media reports about the catcalling laws in various parts of the world. The GaG system would not allow me to do that, which is retarded. Heaven forbid that references be provided to support statements made in a post.
is it possible that guys don't really want the girls anymore? there's a lot of bullshit to deal with. no one wants a girl, SO, a wife, an friends with benefits, THOT, fling, bae, side bae... i'm sure there are many other slangs for what i don't want. i want a partner. i know that society has made it a gay term, but it's not. relationships aren't teamwork anymore and guys know this.
"1. The lack of stable employment and living with your parents" Or, in short, the economy. Which also explains a lot of the other problems.
"3 there’s nothing romantic about splitting a bill on the first date" Another byproduct of feminism - you want men to take women seriously as equals but at the same time, men also have to be the superiors financially (which is becoming ever more impossible due to deindustrialization and women acquiring the same jobs as men)
"This way the girl knows she owes him nothing" Implying that you're exchanging food for sex?
"If you asked someone out, just pay." Fully agreed actually, but it's mighty convenient for women since you practically never ask men out anyway. "4. Being Weak" After decades of anti-men feminist propaganda screeching about toxic masculinity, what did you expect?
"5. Mansplaining" Other than some senile boomers, who even does that any more?
@Wowgirl30q Honestly I think most of what you said is valid, but I also agree with the response of @ThisDudeHere that it is structural and not something the wide majority of men or women can do anything about except for permanently resign to it or complain. I think that whether you realize it or not either, the take sometimes comes off as blaming men as men and not looking much elsewhere.
@UncleJessieRabbit If the are more masculine then me I'd shut up however I'm over a large percentage. So I am blaming them cause if I can do it well it's surely possible for them
It's just about finding a like-minded person who enjoys you, that's really it.
If you want to make it easier, then you just increase your mainstream appeal and you'll get more mainstream people.
What really bugs me though, is how men act like not getting a date is the end of the world. The single life is a lot easier and you can even buy some really nice sex toys if you want something better than your hand.
It seems to me that both men and women are struggling to make an authentic connection. It seems to me that most people are self-centered and self-absorbed that they are unable to see beyond their own nose unless they want something from you.
Authentic listening skills seem to be a lost art these days. People just like talking about themselves and aren't that keen on what the other person has to say.
I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote but I believe the above-mentioned fact is missing from your argument.
Guys, rule #1 - Never take advice about women from women. You wouldn't ask your boss what you can do to get a pay rise, and if you do then you're an idiot.
1 and 4 (and possibly 6 to some degree) is good advise, and you can throw everything else out as bad advise. When it comes to 5, don't just ignore it, do the complete opposite. As long as you are listening and reading between the lines, talk down to them as much as you feel the need to, because they won't hesitate to if you let them (exhibit A, the OP). They don't want an equal, they want a superior, so starting acting like one.
@pooper89 it's not in your bosses interest to pay you more to get more out of you if they don't have to. Ask people for advise with a conflict of interest, and they will give you the advise that suits that conflict of interest as oppose to yours.
@pooper89 true, but the conflict of interest is still there. at the end of the day they need someone to blame when their boss is blaming them, and that's not easily done if said worker beneath you is climbing ever higher.
I don't understand all the bitching and complaining. Especially with the norms out there right now, it's easy to get dates. Impressing women has become so easy that all you have to do is be a decent human being, and she'll think you're the best man she's ever met.
I feel this kinda goes both ways, more people stay indoors than ever before, and with standards higher than ever. Both men and women. You get a bunch of girls and guys on here complaining they can't get a bf/gf.
The main trends I see is that no one is actively outside socializing or pursuing each other. Ever since "me too" a lot of social settings are also somewhat segregated and don't intermingle. On top of that everyone has unrealistic standards like I said, so they won't settle for anyone, which has a snowball affect going down the road for all kinds of issues.
Being cheap is so true. As soon as the guy has me pay or we split the bill I lose interest. Women are basically men now and men are women. We do everything guys are supposed to do. We should hold onto old traditions. I can picture guys saying, "Well if you want old traditions you gotta do it too." Yeah bitch I can easily do it. No bid deal. I know I am going to get a lot of down votes from weak guys for saying this.
If I was straight but had nothing good to say about women and just hated them to there core, I would just be by myself.
I was just point out the fact that most girls say they don’t care about money or fame when it comes to a guy but you said you would lose attraction if the guy doesn’t pay for the date. So if you only think money is important then why not just be honest and say you only care about money
@chris_987 well I was about to say you can't just suddenly be gay. Like I asked you, can you picture yourself just dating other guys? No? Well it's the same for me. I have no interest in girls. Your suggestion to make that an option is stupid, no offense. I can agree I'm a little bit of a gold digger. I would prefer if the guy pays. That's basically it unless you consider finding a guy with stability also a gold digger. Then with that mentality, you basically hate everything a woman says.
But your acting like guys want gold diggers, I guy would much rather have a girl that loves him for who he is than what he can provide. So my suggestion would be to just be thankful that men exist and treat them like they have value just for being a man, that how we see women.
@chris_987 what makes you think I am going to broadcast that? I'm going to find a guy who prefers to pay, that's all. I'll appreciate him but I'm not going to date a loser. I have to pick the right guy. I appreciate guys. Just not the crazy creepy ones
Yeah it’s still doesn’t come of as genuine love, like image of a guy only wanted a girl because she looks good but once she took of the make he left. That’s how you sound right now, if the guy you’re with doesn’t pay he’s a loser. Same goes for the girl takes of her make and is ugly. Just be thankful that a guy is in your life and you’ll be able to love him with all his flaws
@chris_987 first of all I never fell in love before and I don't plan on it. How can I love someone I never met? I can appreciate someone but I can't love something that's not real. Guys look at appearance just as much as girls. You are acting like guys don't have standards unless you are talking about the desperate ones.
Since you want to hold on to old traditions you want him to pay for the first date and you'll be the one making dinner and doing laundry in the relationship I assume. That sounds fair then.
@chris_987 Dude, good shit man. It's almost unbelievable what this girl is saying. Even more unbelievable that lots of other girls are basically agreeing.
"If I was straight but had nothing good to say about women and just hated them to there core, I would just be by myself." And that is the reality I am slowly realizing. But it's not like I woke up one day and aspired to this. I just am becomming this way due to my life experiences.
When she said this, "Then with that mentality, you basically hate everything a woman says." I was like damn, that's the reality I'm slowly discovering.
@Robertcw As guys we just have to accept we have to put a lot more effort into them than they give to us in the beginning. They get all the attention from 100 guys a day on Tinder so they expect to be on a pedestal. It doesn't have to last more than the first month or so though. Prioritize trying to find a girl at will put effort into you as well though. There's a couple modest girls out there nowadays I'd think.
Do I listen to all the women throughout my life who say that guys are "pigs, worthless, stupid / dumber than women, have no manners, only think about sex, etc. etc. etc." OR do I act like a guy as I'm supposed to and run the risk of being accused of some bs that'll ruin my life on hearsay with no evidence?
I see: damned if I do, damned if I don't and it's much easier to stay away than ruin the empire I've built up. I'd love to be like the men that were my forefathers, but in the 21st century not even a quarter of what they do would ruin my life
Technology= equals not effort. So online dating isn't effort? Most guys have tried it at one point and most guys also don't have much luck.
Also, it's hard to just cold approach a girl because girls inherently seem uninterested. Some guys just give up and accept being eternally single. Such is life. Also, you speak as if women are these perfectly behaved creatures that are just waiting for their Prince charming.
Reality is that women have just as much faults as to why the dating game is hard these days. Your points aren't wrong, but we both know there's a much bigger picture, whether you want to admit it or not. Women have to put in effort as well to make a relationship work.
I admire the effort you care to put into your mytakes, but seriously, they all seem to be geared towards criticizing men as if women are flawless and we need to "MAN UP" and it's really annoying to be honest.
I agree with 1 & 2. The rest I have a issue with because of the pressure many feminists are putting on men ;
3: many feminists put out the idea of men doing courtesys like paying the bill, holding the door open and so on as benevolent sexism. Which in many cases its just a gesture of affection or respect. But we are being intimidated out of doing such things because we fear women snapping at us or thinking us sexist.
4: much of the time masculinity is viewed as caustic, sexist and somthing to be stamped out or corrected. Thus making men insecure about a essential aspect of who they are and pushing them twords more "traditionally" feminine attributes.
5: I hate this word so much I cannot explain in a concise manner why it is wrong. I can say: Assholes are assholes, we dont need special gender specific words to verbalize that truth.
I think it's because women have become increasingly demanding. From those stupid college degrees, to the #MeToo movement, to the fourth wave feminism aided by tech, women have lowered their tolerance rate.
But also, the economy has become shit since George W. Bush ran it into the ground, so there's less jobs for everyone like there used to be. Thus, women do not want a man who earns less than them. It's hypocritical, frankly speaking, that they want to be independent, but still want to be taken care of by a high-earner.
Marriage isn't about romance anymore, it's about financial transactions and if the man loses his job, the woman doesn't hesitate to file for divorce.
Im getting sick of seeing your posts all you talk about is how men aren't good enough and how we keep whinging yet you constantly excessively whinge and bitch about men hypocrit much this may come as a shock to you but we have much more important things in our lives society has taught girls that they are the prize that men have to earn you like a winners prize I got news for you you aren't anywhere near as great as you think you are you need us more than we need you without you we will survive you won't you need us just to stay alive which is quite funny given how you love! to tear men down and bash the not so hardened men for being "weak" instead of help build them up we only want a woman for companionship women bring nothing into our lives that help us thrive relationships are optional not necessary for us and quite frankly your starting to annoy me with your constant whining so I'm going to block you goodbye
Well let’s see here I have a professional job and make 6 figures, own a house, workout every day and was a former pro athlete. I travel a lot and have hobbies. I do have “boring” phases where I’m a workaholic. I’m currently busting my ass working two jobs and doing renovations on my house. Is that a bad thing? But according to your advice at least I’m “adulting” so that’s alright? I’m not a cheap ass but I’m very careful about not being taking advantage of on dates. I learned some hard lessons on that. I’ll buy drinks on date one and maybe a snack. But never a full dinner. So... can you explain this?
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The real reason men are struggling is because the dating pool is much wider now. Even the fattest ugliest girls can go online and get dozens of guys begging for a date. The days of just settling for a guy because he's got two legs and his own teeth are long long gone.
That is the truth. Unfortunately, I'm begining to think men and women are actually not so compatible in the first place.
You'd expect there to be a natural easy desire to be together but no. It seems exactly the opposite.
@Robertcw
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I don’t think men should be made to feel like they can’t express their normal range of emotions. Yes be strong, but not “strong” to the detriment of their mental health. I have two nephews and I would never ever ever make them feel like it’s not acceptable to come and talk to me about how they’re feeling, whatever those feelings are. Anger and sexuality are poor outlets for all of the other natural human emotions we ALL experience, they should not be shamed into repressing those to the point that they out out in anger or objectifying women.
But I do agree that men these days seem to have forgotten how to keep going just because things get a bit hard, that stuff is what builds character. That stuff is what allows you to become vulnerable and find that true connection regardless of the setbacks in the process. You adapt and learn how to overcome those challenges, not run away and blame or selfishly take from others.
*give out in anger
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I agree with everything except Mansplaining. That is a divisive feminist term which equates to reverse sexism, and it's disgusting. Condescension and patronizing are committed by both genders and extremely often. A lot of perceived condescension is innocent in nature because to put it simply, you never know what someone knows. A recipe for success is to always assume whomever you converse with, knows something you don't, no matter how annoying they may be. Nobody is the font of all knowledge.
https://youtu.be/7z5pOJZdTQwThe only other point I would add is introspection. The path of least resistance is to blame failure on others. This goes for both gendets. In terms of finding a good woman, unless you address your faults, (and acknowledge that you have them, you'll get nowhere. If you are constantly rejected... the problem is possibly YOU! What's the common denominator?
Mansplaining Covered... lol
https://youtu.be/czo16O5p7oE
If a Woman feels inadequate or inferior because the person who explains something to her happens to have a different set of chromosomes then the fault lies with her 🤷♂️
Agree 100%. This partly has to do with lazy parents of the previous generation also not teaching these boys how to become men. Weak fathers and single mother households especially with these men having no strong male role models growing up.
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My dad is definitely a manly man. He's blue collar and he fixes a whole lot of shit. He makes shit, too! But when it comes to women he never was a cassanova or a player of any kind. Which is good because I got my manners and morals from him. But bad because I have no game.
@Jamie05rhs
That's the trouble. Those values and morals are good, but when taken to a certain point they can also cripple you, especially in today's society. The rules and the way things work have changed over the last few decades. It's not enough to be a good man anymore. In order to succeed - to have game - you have to reject some of those old values, as well as the way society in general tells us how to act.
The reason "nice guys" fail and "bad boys" succeed isn't because "bad boys" treat women like shit or that they're bad people, it's because they don't play by the rules. In fact that's the way most successful people get ahead.
@englisc I will agree that what you say is accurate, and it certainly applies to me and describes my situation very well. But I don't really want to change. This is who I am. This is a part of my character. Maybe I can just be more bold; I will give you that. And I have been working on that lately.
@Jamie05rhs
I don't think you'd need to change that much, just your approach when it comes to women and dating, and perhaps some false beliefs. The main reason many guys struggle with dating really is that they don't understand women. Society really teaches men to act like the same spineless nice guys women complain about. Being bold is really all it takes to make a difference.
For example the average guy will obsess over the same girl for a while trying to find the perfect time to ask her out. Usually the time when he thinks she's interested, when she gives him some kind of sign. He does everything he can to avoid being rejected. Then when he asks her out he beats around the bush. He takes her on a date and tries his best to impress her, basically trying to tell her what he thinks she wants to here, is overly polite etc. That's the idea right? You're supposed to be this perfect gentleman, take her on a whole bunch of dates and hopefully she'll eventually fall for you, if you play your cards right. The trouble with this is that it usually bores the shit out of her and often just makes you look like a kiss-ass.
All of that can be remedied by simply being more bold and not worrying about rejection. You like the girl - look her dead in the eyes, tell her that you like her and ask her out. If she says no you just accept it and move on. Then when you're with her, speak your mind. Don't be so overly polite because that leads to boring conversation. Be flirty, tease her a bit. Create some sexual tension. Don't be a dick or a sleazebag, but don't try to be this perfect gentleman either. Be ballsy.
That's, bro. I'll try to take that into account. But a lot depends on the woman, though. You certainly have to respect their boundaries.
@Jamie05rhs
Again this is the trouble. Being respectful is obviously good. Not overstepping boundaries is also good. Worrying about being respectful to the point where you barely flirt with her, never make a move etc. because you're so afraid to take that chance in case she reacts negatively is what cripples you.
Okay.
I think it’s because of two things. The “real man” and feminism.
What makes women attracted to men, is the “real man.” What makes feminists angry is the “real man” but feminists still want to have sex with and marry a “real man.”
Feminism has taught all men to stop being “real men.” A “real man” is simply a man whose character is sexually attractive to women. Women may enjoy a man’s looks, but am I wrong to say that women vastly prefer this “real man” over a guy who simply looks good?
Feminism tears down this “real man” and tells him he is a bad person, a monster. So the majority of good men out there seek to show that they are good men who aren’t bad or evil.
And by doing this, they lose all sexual attraction from women.
And then what is the response? Posts like OP pointing a finger at men. “YOU men have stopped being men! You’re all pussies now and us women hate it! MAN UP!” But you see, society has taught us all that the man you are sexually attracted to is a bad person. Not physically. Action wise. Like I said before, would you rather have a “real man” or a pussy guy who looks good? The real man is the guy that feminism hates (yet wants to fuck anyways) and the pussy guy is the guy that tries to be a good man who contributes to society and brings good into the world. That also makes him unattractive to women. That’s how I see it anyways. I could
Go on and on but I’m sure nobody will read this anyways.
A significant number of men of all ages have stopped approaching females, because they do not want to become a @metoo story, or face a false rape allegation, or a sexual harassment complaint.
In Britain, for example, it has become a hate crime for a male to approach a female. The law was introduced on the pretext of doing something about catcalling, but the way that it was worded criminalised any approach by a man to a woman that the woman decided, after the event, that she did not like.
Catcallling laws elsewhere in the world have been worded in similar ways.
In Britain, at least one man has served prison time because he approached a woman on the street.
Because men are not clairvoyant, they have no way to know whether or not their approach would be welcome, so the only rational course of action is to not approach.
Part 2
The use of catcalling laws to criminalise normal heterosexual interaction is a global Feminist plan. If you put the terms into a search engine, you will find video and print reports of Feminists demanding such laws in various countries.
The current social and legal environment is extremely hostile to men.
The risks are:
1. Approach a female = be charged with an Orwellian hate/thought crime and go to gaol. Criminal record for sexual harassment, life over.
2. Ask a woman on a date and actually go on the date = risk of becoming a @metoo story and/or a false rape allegation that will end his education and/or career. His life will be over.
3. Have consensual sex with a female = a false rape allegation after she regrets the sex, or her parents, or even husband, want an explanation for where she was the previous night. Life over.
4. Cohabit with or marry a female = 50 per cent probability of being dragged through a hostile Family Court system, which will give between 50 per cent and everything that the man owns to the female, then use child support and spousal support orders to impoverish him for the rest of his life. Suicide is common at this point, because court can order child support that exceeds the man's capacity to pay. Consequently, he will be staring at an indefinite prison sentence. Look up comedian and actor Robin Williams. There are also standard false allegations of spousal rape, domestic violence and that he molested his own children.
So, a man could run the gauntlet of those life-destroying risks, or he could stay home and masturbate over something on PornHub, then go to sleep.
Decision in. . . three. . . two. . . one. . .
Part 3
I tried to provide a reference list of links to media reports about the catcalling laws in various parts of the world.
The GaG system would not allow me to do that, which is retarded. Heaven forbid that references be provided to support statements made in a post.
Your fine sir
is it possible that guys don't really want the girls anymore? there's a lot of bullshit to deal with. no one wants a girl, SO, a wife, an friends with benefits, THOT, fling, bae, side bae... i'm sure there are many other slangs for what i don't want. i want a partner. i know that society has made it a gay term, but it's not. relationships aren't teamwork anymore and guys know this.
So all are gay?
yes. yes all men are gay now. you caused it. your ex knew he was gay and that's why he let you go.
"1. The lack of stable employment and living with your parents"
Or, in short, the economy. Which also explains a lot of the other problems.
"3 there’s nothing romantic about splitting a bill on the first date"
Another byproduct of feminism - you want men to take women seriously as equals but at the same time, men also have to be the superiors financially (which is becoming ever more impossible due to deindustrialization and women acquiring the same jobs as men)
"This way the girl knows she owes him nothing"
Implying that you're exchanging food for sex?
"If you asked someone out, just pay."
Fully agreed actually, but it's mighty convenient for women since you practically never ask men out anyway.
"4. Being Weak"
After decades of anti-men feminist propaganda screeching about toxic masculinity, what did you expect?
"5. Mansplaining"
Other than some senile boomers, who even does that any more?
Yeah feminist jack up a lot. I'm not a feminist however
You're becoming an ever-smaller minority.
Tell me about it dude ☹️
@Wowgirl30q Honestly I think most of what you said is valid, but I also agree with the response of @ThisDudeHere that it is structural and not something the wide majority of men or women can do anything about except for permanently resign to it or complain. I think that whether you realize it or not either, the take sometimes comes off as blaming men as men and not looking much elsewhere.
@UncleJessieRabbit If the are more masculine then me I'd shut up however I'm over a large percentage. So I am blaming them cause if I can do it well it's surely possible for them
It's just about finding a like-minded person who enjoys you, that's really it.
If you want to make it easier, then you just increase your mainstream appeal and you'll get more mainstream people.
What really bugs me though, is how men act like not getting a date is the end of the world. The single life is a lot easier and you can even buy some really nice sex toys if you want something better than your hand.
@Juxtapose the whining is what bothers me too. By both genders
It seems to me that both men and women are struggling to make an authentic connection. It seems to me that most people are self-centered and self-absorbed that they are unable to see beyond their own nose unless they want something from you.
Authentic listening skills seem to be a lost art these days. People just like talking about themselves and aren't that keen on what the other person has to say.
I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote but I believe the above-mentioned fact is missing from your argument.
Guys, rule #1 - Never take advice about women from women.
You wouldn't ask your boss what you can do to get a pay rise, and if you do then you're an idiot.
1 and 4 (and possibly 6 to some degree) is good advise, and you can throw everything else out as bad advise.
When it comes to 5, don't just ignore it, do the complete opposite. As long as you are listening and reading between the lines, talk down to them as much as you feel the need to, because they won't hesitate to if you let them (exhibit A, the OP). They don't want an equal, they want a superior, so starting acting like one.
"You wouldn't ask your boss what you can do to get a pay rise"
why wouldn't you?
@pooper89 article hit a nerve I'm guessing. The unsure guys just rant. It's cute really
@pooper89 it's not in your bosses interest to pay you more to get more out of you if they don't have to.
Ask people for advise with a conflict of interest, and they will give you the advise that suits that conflict of interest as oppose to yours.
Well said
In most cases, your boss is not the CFO/CEO of the company. In most cases, he's the manager of the specific department in which you work.
@pooper89 true, but the conflict of interest is still there. at the end of the day they need someone to blame when their boss is blaming them, and that's not easily done if said worker beneath you is climbing ever higher.
“Never take advice about women from women.”
As badly as men read women, wouldn’t suggest you take it from another dudebro.
Terrible analogy.
I don't understand all the bitching and complaining. Especially with the norms out there right now, it's easy to get dates. Impressing women has become so easy that all you have to do is be a decent human being, and she'll think you're the best man she's ever met.
Your not wrong
I feel this kinda goes both ways, more people stay indoors than ever before, and with standards higher than ever. Both men and women. You get a bunch of girls and guys on here complaining they can't get a bf/gf.
The main trends I see is that no one is actively outside socializing or pursuing each other. Ever since "me too" a lot of social settings are also somewhat segregated and don't intermingle. On top of that everyone has unrealistic standards like I said, so they won't settle for anyone, which has a snowball affect going down the road for all kinds of issues.
Write a female version,😀
Being cheap is so true. As soon as the guy has me pay or we split the bill I lose interest. Women are basically men now and men are women. We do everything guys are supposed to do. We should hold onto old traditions. I can picture guys saying, "Well if you want old traditions you gotta do it too." Yeah bitch I can easily do it. No bid deal. I know I am going to get a lot of down votes from weak guys for saying this.
Well to be fair if all women where lesbians you wouldn’t have anything to complain about so that all an option.
@chris_987 can you picture yourself dating other guys and sucking their dicks? If you are straight. But if you are gay/bi then I guess nvm.
If I was straight but had nothing good to say about women and just hated them to there core, I would just be by myself.
I was just point out the fact that most girls say they don’t care about money or fame when it comes to a guy but you said you would lose attraction if the guy doesn’t pay for the date. So if you only think money is important then why not just be honest and say you only care about money
@BluesheepOwl😀😀😀 I agree
@chris_987 well I was about to say you can't just suddenly be gay. Like I asked you, can you picture yourself just dating other guys? No? Well it's the same for me. I have no interest in girls. Your suggestion to make that an option is stupid, no offense. I can agree I'm a little bit of a gold digger. I would prefer if the guy pays. That's basically it unless you consider finding a guy with stability also a gold digger. Then with that mentality, you basically hate everything a woman says.
But your acting like guys want gold diggers, I guy would much rather have a girl that loves him for who he is than what he can provide. So my suggestion would be to just be thankful that men exist and treat them like they have value just for being a man, that how we see women.
@chris_987 what makes you think I am going to broadcast that? I'm going to find a guy who prefers to pay, that's all. I'll appreciate him but I'm not going to date a loser. I have to pick the right guy. I appreciate guys. Just not the crazy creepy ones
Yeah it’s still doesn’t come of as genuine love, like image of a guy only wanted a girl because she looks good but once she took of the make he left. That’s how you sound right now, if the guy you’re with doesn’t pay he’s a loser. Same goes for the girl takes of her make and is ugly. Just be thankful that a guy is in your life and you’ll be able to love him with all his flaws
@chris_987 first of all I never fell in love before and I don't plan on it. How can I love someone I never met? I can appreciate someone but I can't love something that's not real. Guys look at appearance just as much as girls. You are acting like guys don't have standards unless you are talking about the desperate ones.
Well I hope to fall in love one day, I guess that’s why we can’t agree
Since you want to hold on to old traditions you want him to pay for the first date and you'll be the one making dinner and doing laundry in the relationship I assume. That sounds fair then.
@chris_987 Dude, good shit man. It's almost unbelievable what this girl is saying. Even more unbelievable that lots of other girls are basically agreeing.
"If I was straight but had nothing good to say about women and just hated them to there core, I would just be by myself." And that is the reality I am slowly realizing. But it's not like I woke up one day and aspired to this. I just am becomming this way due to my life experiences.
When she said this, "Then with that mentality, you basically hate everything a woman says." I was like damn, that's the reality I'm slowly discovering.
@Robertcw As guys we just have to accept we have to put a lot more effort into them than they give to us in the beginning. They get all the attention from 100 guys a day on Tinder so they expect to be on a pedestal. It doesn't have to last more than the first month or so though. Prioritize trying to find a girl at will put effort into you as well though. There's a couple modest girls out there nowadays I'd think.
Yeah guys are weak. Guys should buy women gifts and pay for dinner.
you can't have your cake and eat it too. lmao
So which is it?
Do I listen to all the women throughout my life who say that guys are "pigs, worthless, stupid / dumber than women, have no manners, only think about sex, etc. etc. etc." OR do I act like a guy as I'm supposed to and run the risk of being accused of some bs that'll ruin my life on hearsay with no evidence?
I see: damned if I do, damned if I don't
and it's much easier to stay away than ruin the empire I've built up. I'd love to be like the men that were my forefathers, but in the 21st century not even a quarter of what they do would ruin my life
Female manipulation - always playing corner. They're fine when you're dating, but one you marry, their true nature comes out.
Technology= equals not effort. So online dating isn't effort? Most guys have tried it at one point and most guys also don't have much luck.
Also, it's hard to just cold approach a girl because girls inherently seem uninterested. Some guys just give up and accept being eternally single. Such is life. Also, you speak as if women are these perfectly behaved creatures that are just waiting for their Prince charming.
Reality is that women have just as much faults as to why the dating game is hard these days. Your points aren't wrong, but we both know there's a much bigger picture, whether you want to admit it or not. Women have to put in effort as well to make a relationship work.
I admire the effort you care to put into your mytakes, but seriously, they all seem to be geared towards criticizing men as if women are flawless and we need to "MAN UP" and it's really annoying to be honest.
I agree with 1 & 2. The rest I have a issue with because of the pressure many feminists are putting on men ;
3: many feminists put out the idea of men doing courtesys like paying the bill, holding the door open and so on as benevolent sexism. Which in many cases its just a gesture of affection or respect. But we are being intimidated out of doing such things because we fear women snapping at us or thinking us sexist.
4: much of the time masculinity is viewed as caustic, sexist and somthing to be stamped out or corrected. Thus making men insecure about a essential aspect of who they are and pushing them twords more "traditionally" feminine attributes.
5: I hate this word so much I cannot explain in a concise manner why it is wrong. I can say: Assholes are assholes, we dont need special gender specific words to verbalize that truth.
Write a mytake
I think it's because women have become increasingly demanding. From those stupid college degrees, to the #MeToo movement, to the fourth wave feminism aided by tech, women have lowered their tolerance rate.
But also, the economy has become shit since George W. Bush ran it into the ground, so there's less jobs for everyone like there used to be. Thus, women do not want a man who earns less than them. It's hypocritical, frankly speaking, that they want to be independent, but still want to be taken care of by a high-earner.
Marriage isn't about romance anymore, it's about financial transactions and if the man loses his job, the woman doesn't hesitate to file for divorce.
Im getting sick of seeing your posts all you talk about is how men aren't good enough and how we keep whinging yet you constantly excessively whinge and bitch about men hypocrit much this may come as a shock to you but we have much more important things in our lives society has taught girls that they are the prize that men have to earn you like a winners prize I got news for you you aren't anywhere near as great as you think you are you need us more than we need you without you we will survive you won't you need us just to stay alive which is quite funny given how you love! to tear men down and bash the not so hardened men for being "weak" instead of help build them up we only want a woman for companionship women bring nothing into our lives that help us thrive relationships are optional not necessary for us and quite frankly your starting to annoy me with your constant whining so I'm going to block you goodbye
Well let’s see here I have a professional job and make 6 figures, own a house, workout every day and was a former pro athlete. I travel a lot and have hobbies. I do have “boring” phases where I’m a workaholic. I’m currently busting my ass working two jobs and doing renovations on my house. Is that a bad thing? But according to your advice at least I’m “adulting” so that’s alright? I’m not a cheap ass but I’m very careful about not being taking advantage of on dates. I learned some hard lessons on that. I’ll buy drinks on date one and maybe a snack. But never a full dinner. So... can you explain this?
Is it a new thing nowadays where women don’t have the common decency to call/text a guy if they can make a date? ↗
Braggers have nothing
So insightful. You missed my entire fucking point.
Yeah didn't care after the bragging