Why I, And a Lot of Men, Will Probably Never Get a Girlfriend

[Anonymous]

Women are a very important aspect of making this world go round. They give birth to our children and they keep us men happy, but a lot of women are hard to get. It's like a game. Whoever gets the girl wins and some men have advantages over others like looks, money, status, personality, etc. Here is why I, and a lot of other men out there, will have trouble attracting women. WARNING: This is a rant in which I am going to be saying negative things about women. Keep in mind that I don't hate women and this is what I've seen based off my experiences and other men's experiences.

1. Women like to play games

I've seen it time and time again. Women would lead a guy on for her own pleasure. Even though some women don't do this a majority of them do. They will lead a guy on, whether that be flirting or other types of leads, and then cut him off like it's nothing. Girls, It's not cute, it's super irritating and frustrating.

2. Women call anyone who approaches them and tries to meet them a "creep"

This is extremely ridiculous. I've heard women say all the time "Yeah this guy tried to approach me and get my number, he's such a creep". So if a guy thinks you're pretty and he get the balls to go and approach you and tries to meet you, you're going to call him a creep and a pedo? That is absurd! Every girl now a days thinks that every guy that tries to talk to them is going to rape them which is fucking ridiculous. I understand if you give him the time of day and you reject him and he still persists, that's a creep.

But the guys who approach you just to talk to you and the first thing that comes to your mind is "He's a creep", that's annoying and false. I hate it when women reject a guy right off the bat because they find him creepy. For all you know he could be an amazing guy. Also, girls will make fun of an awkward guy if he approaches her awkwardly. Ladies, just because he's awkward with his approach and has the balls to go up and ask you out knowing that he's a shy individual doesn't give you the right to label him as "weird" or "a pedo".

3. Women are very picky

I know that men can be very picky too, but from my experiences women tend to be more picky. Especially from ages ranging from about 13-25. Most women have the same type; a guy who is pretty muscular and weighs about 180 pounds so they can hug and snuggle with them more comfortably, about six foot, and bad ass (I'll talk about this more in my next point). I know girls in the comments section will say "But all guys want is blondes with big boobs and a big ass" True, but men are suppose to approach women and so the pickiness shows more on the women's side than the men's.

4. Women want a "bad ass"

Gentlemen, a little word of advice, never trust a girl when she says that she loves "nice guys" because in reality, nice guys 99% of the time finish last. I never trust any women who tells me that they love nice guys because it is complete and utter bullshit. Here's why, women want a guy who has a sort of risk-taking personality (aka a bad ass), someone who likes to bend/break the rules. They don't want someone who will always treat them right and treat them like a queen, because that's too boring for them.

Hollywood has brainwashed these girls into thinking that they can turn this handsome bad ass into a nice guy (which 99% of the time won't happen). There is no challenge if the guy is already nice to begin with. Hollywood has also made it so that these bad asses will always look like a Calvin Klein underwear model and that these nice guys will always look like dorks, so this point I kinda blame both parties at fault. Women and Hollywood.

5. Women want to take control of a guy

This point kinda ties into my last point where I said that women want to turn a bad ass into a nice guy. Women want to take control of the guy and bend him to her desires. It could range from her making him change a few things to making him change his whole lifestyle. I see it happen all the time. Women are controlling and will most likely take control in the relationship and even control the man that she's dating. Once they take control, they are going to keep him until they find a better victim to control.

Conclusion

Again I don't hate women. I just find it stupid that women do these thing. I'm 17 years old if you guys are wondering and no that doesn't change my point of view of women. I've seen this happen to grown men too. Also I want you guys to know that I know some women don't do any of these and I wish there were more women like that. It would make the world less depressing. Please feel free to leave a comment whether you agree or disagree, i'ma be reading them all. I don't care if you leave hate, it's the internet after all.

[btbc92]

Men are just as equally the problem. I have no problem with somebody approaching me just to talk. But I don't want somebody talking to me because of sexual interest or prospects of getting into a sexual relationship. That is where my problem is. Their intentions for talking to you.

I can agree with #1. Many do like to play games, and I always tell girls to stop that. But then like I said: They read cosmopolitan mag, seventeen or other girl related magazines that sell the lie to do this and do that, but they don't expect the consequences of it? But then you get shut down saying 'oh, guys don't like that. They want this and that in a woman."

#2: I can understand but this is what men are not getting. What are your reasons for talking to a girl? Your intentions. Once again, its about intentions. Like hoe fathers used to ask whenever a girl brings a guy home: "What are your intentions with MY daughter?" But then you get mad once a girl finds out and say she's not worth it. How do you know she isn't worth it? Most of you men want an easy lay, but with a girlfriend in a sexual relationship. Thats what your real intentions are. That's what you really want. And this is why some women say no. You don't even bother to ask her what do she want. How do you know if she is even looking to date? Let alone you? How do figure she wants a sexual relationship with you in dating. What if she isn't? What if she just wants to be friends? But now its: Men don't want to be friends? This is why most of us are not afraid to remain single for a long time. But we get trashed for doing so. Not fair either gentlemen. Everything is not our fault just like everything is not your fault.

#3: This is not the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being picky, guys are at liberty to do the same. It is more attractive for me to see that men take consideration who they want as a dating partner then be desperate to pick every and anybody. As long as it is reasonable and realistic of course. We are not designed and fit to be with every and anybody. People learn that the hard way when what they want isn't all the time what they need.

#4: Wrong. Most immature women want bad boys. Because they think that they can change him. Which is not true at all. Because unless he wants to seek change by himself on his own, it will never happen. Yes, Hollywood is responsible, be we as people need to be equally responsible for what we allow in our lives.

#5: Only immature and unhealthy women do this

[myTake Owner]

Men can do the same thing but it's more common when a girl does it. Based of my and a lot of men's experiences

[btbc92]

@Asker Perhaps. But women from what I seen only does it when men do it as well. It is a domino effect. If one does something, the other response differently.

[Djaaaaaay]

Very good point.. btbc92. I know this to be all to well. I'm all good , but for the other guys on here I thought that was to true... Good call

[Haxxus]

A very solid, well organized, and detailed reply. I can absolutely respect this and it does seem to be accurate. #1 I was impressed with because you didn't deny it and actively help fix this issue. #2 is also accurate. The majority of men want something easy to feel good. No wonder women have their guard up. #3 I am probably pickier than any woman I have ever met in my entire life. #4 Accurate again! #5 Preach

[TrajanJJ]

Come on women now a days have ridiculous expectations all of them.

They look for Chad
6,4ft guy, good looking, 6 figure salary, athletic, and is hung.

This is the standard for even not so good looking girls and they won’t settle for less.

[JimboMcJimmy]

I was curious about your comment that guys shouldn't want to talk to girls and be seeking a sexual relationship. I know it would be wrong to lead with that, but if I guy wants to talk to an attractive girl and hope to start dating her, how can he not hope that they will become physically intimate? You can still turn him down at some point if he wants to take things to that level and you're not interested. It's hard for men to be totally pure like women and never want sex because we are so wired to want physical intimacy with women. That doesn't mean if a guy is interested in sex that you have no choice but to sleep with him.

[atheistaredumb]

false just in the first sentence

(Men are just as equally the problem)

I have come to terms that YOU WOMEN ARE THE PROBLEM not us men
MGTOW has shown your true colors

you women are garbage

ohh and already had a girlfriend never going back

[Jager66]

" But I don't want somebody talking to me because of sexual interest or prospects of getting into a sexual relationship."

uhhh.. If a man isn't allowed to talk to women for the purpose of romance than how the fuck is it supposed to happen? Doing what you suggest leads to the friend zone and doing nothing means being single if your a man.

[Jointarmy]

In other words. The majority of women do that! Because they're evil!!!

[Jxpxtxr]

No honey, the reason you will never get a girlfriend is your attitude of blaming women for all your problems. That's the entire and only reason for it.
But of course that's way easier than tackeling the actual problem, which is you, so it's not very surprising, it's just pathetic, really.

[myTake Owner]

It's pathetic? Really? It's pathetic? I wrote in my take that I don't hate women and this is the majority. The minority of women don't do this. So I'm guessing any guy who approaches you is a creep to you? Let me ask you why you think that is. It isn't MY fault that girls automatically think I'm a creep when I approach. It isn't MY fault that women like to play games. So what do I fix? The problem doesn't lie with me it lies with women. I know sometimes men are at fault but women need to take some of the blame too

[Bobbyhill1]

its not just him this can be backed up by a multitude of men out there. Most average guys just cannot get girls. Do you know how many opportunities I had to snatch a girl from somebody based off my looks alone? Shit I could even pull mothers but I am not that type of guy. A female will not give a average guy the time of day and if they do it will be a big effort for that man.

[Bobbyhill1]

and yes, the majority of women are superficial. they will not give average guys the time of day and they worship guys that they will never end up with probably settling down later on in life.

[Jxpxtxr]

@Bobbyhill1 "A female will not give a average guy the time of day and if they do it will be a big effort for that man."
Correction: A *hot* female will not give a average guy the time of day and if they do it will be a big effort for that man.

[Jxpxtxr]

"So I'm guessing any guy who approaches you is a creep to you? Let me ask you why you think that is. It isn't MY fault that girls automatically think I'm a creep when I approach."

No, but thanks for proving your incapability to draw rational conclusions once again with this ridiculous assumption about my persona.
But to clarify, I do not think any guy who approaches me is a creep, in fact, I appreciate their courage to do so, UNLESS:
1. They are obviously disrespectful or seem incredibly thirsty
2. They are "approaching me" by following me around with a hoodie pulled over their head in the middle of the night in an alley while I'm just trying to get home.
3. They are desperate and don't let loose despite me making it clear that I'm not interested.

Those ^ are the only conditions that ever make a guys approach seem creepy to me and if you weren't so blinded by your "all women are to blame" mantra you could actually admit that those are perfectly justified reasons to be creeped out.

[Jxpxtxr]

But since you don't, I'm guessing you are probably even doing the things I've mentioned in that brief creep-characteristics-list yourself, and just blame women for feeling creeped out for like totally no reason, right?
Quit bitching.

[myTake Owner]

Correction: *most women, whether they be attractive or not, will not give the guy the time of day.

[Jxpxtxr]

Yeah just do my a favour and grow up to experience the real world first.

[Jxpxtxr]

*me a favour

[Bobbyhill1]

not true at all, even average females have their heads filled with a multitude of guys which widens their ego leaving all the average men left alone. Im a really hot guy, but I do not ignore people based off looks I really dont care if you are some 10/10 female to me and if you are then you probably walking around like your shit doesn't stink. You know what I think? all these females that seem so desperate that look at me for minutes on end (until I leave wherever im at) wouldn't give me attention if I was just some normal guy. I do not like females like that because it says a lot about their character. There are only a few women Who I truly respect and usually when I actually respect a women I have strong feelings for her. if there is no respect I literally cannot even stand near you

[Jxpxtxr]

@Bobbyhill1 funny how you claim you're "hot" but at the same time complain about how average looking guys finish last.. Hmm 🤔

[Jxpxtxr]

@Bobbyhill1 also "You know what I think? all these females that seem so desperate that look at me for minutes on end (until I leave wherever im at) wouldn't give me attention if I was just some normal guy."

Congratulations, you now know what it's like to be an above average looking woman.

[myTake Owner]

I love the "quit bitching" part at the end because I'm not bitching I'm telling the truth. If you don't do that then you must understand that you are in the MINORTITY. If you really think that assumption is wrong and that you don't turn down guys automatically then you are in the MINORITY.

[Bobbyhill1]

how is this congratulating? Unlike other females Im not shallow I wouldn't just judge you if you aren't my perfect ideal type. even if a girl stumbled on her words or wasn't perfectly social I would NEVER just turn her away like females do

[Jxpxtxr]

Lmao define "turn down guys automatically" because if your attitude is not, you're out, you can be as hot, great, filler, as you want for this, I will not be attracted to you if your attitude is shitty and yours quite frankly, is beyond shitty.

Also I love that you love that I pointed out that you're bitching but denied it when you originally personally admitted to it right in the beginning of your take. But I guess again, it's only you that is allowed to criticise you and especially no critique from a woman is allowed because we are all evil and at fault? RIGHT😉😂

[Jxpxtxr]

@Bobbyhill1 unfortunately, men are still the far more obviously visual creatures so no, you may think it's unfair how women won't date you if you aren't her type but only because you have never come across those men who have entire lists prepared of characteristics they expect a woman to have.

[myTake Owner]

A rant from experience and a rant that is bitching are two different things. This is a rant from mine and other men's experiences. If I was to bitch about this, I would say that all women are like this, which I did not say. I would also say that I hate women, which I made clear that I didn't.

[Jxpxtxr]

But I get that you, too, are just one of the countless guys on here with the "women are evil and shallow and horrible and mean and bitchy and the worst and terribly and shitty and suck and I'm the most awesome guy in the world but never had a girlfriend because women are all that!" - attitude.
Very charming indeed, I can't believe how any woman wouldn't wanna date you or the take owner - you guys seem such keepers ;)

[myTake Owner]

Snarky I see. Very funny, but if you read the beginning you would know that I don't hate women and I don't think that they are evil. I don't think I'm an awesome guy (in fact I think of myself as an ugly guy, but that's not the point).

[Jxpxtxr]

Yeah lol, so just because you claim you don't hate women that takes away all credibility from my previous statement, and that was careful analysis that took me literally a perceived eternity of 5 seconds btw!
Seems like it's been surprisingly accurate actually, especially taking into account that I've never said you hate women in the first place.

[Bobbyhill1]

why do I feel bad for guys who aren't so good looking? Because I have something called empathy. I would be sad too if it was such a effort to get a female. But seeing how easy it is for me I pretty much have a understanding of how superficial women are. Also you claimed women aren't as visual as men which is false. ''new research suggests that women may be just as visually driven when it comes to sex as men are, says Bergner. One study described in Bergner’s book found that women’s eyes linger on erotic imagery just as much as men’s do, and a recent Neilson report found that one in three porn users was female. “Every one of Chivers’ experiments shows an immediate physical response to erotic imagery, and that in itself is an indication that we’ve been missing something,” to add on to this females were actually given pictures of something that would sexually arouse them, before it was even possible to willingly respond their brains lit up some faster than males.

[Bobbyhill1]

and the fact that you spout myths as a fact is quite comical, You can't be taken seriously after you spouted such a sexist, ignorant lie. ''Men are visual creatures'' lol

[Jxpxtxr]

@Bobbyhill1 "why do I feel bad for guys who aren't so good looking? Because I have something called empathy. I would be sad too if it was such a effort to get a female."

It's funny how you keep repeating how you're oh so much better off thanks to your looks but you seem to be the most superficial person on this threat, you also have no picture up and what you say literally contradicts everything I've ever heard from actually handsome guys, and I know plenty, so Im starting to have serious doubts about your credibility tbh.

Also I've ignored the rest of what you've said because, although I agree with it, you clearly didn't read what I previously said to you properly.

[myTake Owner]

Wtf yes you did say that 😂 You said "But I get that you, too, are just one of the countless guys on here with the "women are evil and shallow and horrible and mean and bitchy and the worst and terribly and shitty and suck and I'm the most awesome guy in the world but never had a girlfriend because women are all that!" - attitude.
Very charming indeed, I can't believe how any woman wouldn't wanna date you or the take owner - you guys seem such keepers 😉"

[Jxpxtxr]

So where exactly did I say that you hate women?
Because I couldn't find that "you hate women" line in any of my statements in this entire post.

[myTake Owner]

Well, by saying that I think that women are "evil, bitchy, and shitty", you are implying that I hate women. Because only a person who hates women would say that 😉

[Jxpxtxr]

That's you making up whatever you believe the meaning behind those words to be to the people who use them.

[myTake Owner]

That had to be the dumbest response I have ever heard. Do you think a person who loves women would say that women are evil and shitty? Of course not. Do you think that a person who has a neutral feeling towards women would say that? No. Now, would a person that loathes women say that? Yes! Because that's what they will say! That's not an assumption!

[Jxpxtxr]

Yes, actually it is but apart from that that exact butthurt comment right now could be applied to your entire mytake tbh.
So in conclusion, was anything you've said in this entire point actually valuable in terms of information?
No, why? Because it's all a product of your personal bias and bitterness towards women.

But I'm done wasting time having this ridiculous conversation with someone who doesn't even realise when they contradict themselves. Bye now.

[myTake Owner]

I never contradicted myself, but ok whatever you say princess 😊

[myTake Owner]

I have a neutral feeling towards women. Never have I said I hated women I just stated the truth about women

[Bobbyhill1]

''It's funny how you keep repeating how you're oh so much better off thanks to your looks but you seem to be the most superficial person on this threat,''

Im really not, I clearly stated that I understand how women treat good looking males. I even said myself that i dont discriminate against females based off how attractive they are. They dont have to be perfect, but that picky behavior is a turn off and is a sign to turn left sign to
''you also have no picture up and what you say literally contradicts everything I've ever heard from actually handsome guys, and I know plenty, so Im starting to have serious doubts about your credibility tbh.''

it seems like you dont know what contradiction means. it would be a contradiction for me to say im hot yet im butt ugly. The reason why I dont post a picture is because the things that I have on here are better of private from my social life. For some reason I have the fear of someone I know finding me on here. The only place I show my face..

[Bobbyhill1]

the only place I show my face online Is facebook, and I cannot talk about these matters with my friends of family because they dont relate at all all they care about is how many girls they pull and stuff. I really dont have to prove my self to you either by the way and even if I somehow did there are MANY other good looking males that say how they get looks everywhere they go

[Bobbyhill1]

and you also didn't reply to the other stuff because I corrected you on your sexist remark of ''men are visual creatures'' as if women are somehow not the same thing and even worse at a certain time.

[myTake Owner]

@Bobbyhill1 she's gone bud. We both destroyed her logic 😂

[Bobbyhill1]

notice how she even went back on her statement. Anyone who calls women bitchy and evil would not love women period but now that you corrected her she is saying ''oh I didn't say you hate females'' This isn't a sexist thing we are being realistic here and she is getting butthurt I bring up my good looks to show that women are also shallow in a sense and would even look with their partners and she says ''where is your picture'' this lady is a emotional wreck and she is using no logic.

[Bobbyhill1]

lol mytakeowner that lady was crazy man

[CBryan]

Dang son! Chick just jumped on your throat with all kinds of baseless insinuations, all because you're a creep for not being a gorgeous model, lol!

[Abdul_Alhazred]

you either didn't read the thing or you're lacking self-awareness…

[Cyhhgg]

@CBryan you're wrong about one thing...

The points she raised were far from baseless and made more sense than the two rocket scientist she was attempting to educate. Lol

[TrajanJJ]

Very long but I agree women now a days have ridiculous standards.
They don’t give an average guy the time of day.

Like I always say they want Chad.
The 6,4ft guy, good looking, 6 figure salary, athletic, built, ex...

It not about attitude either, men from all statures are seeing this.

[TrajanJJ]

This reminds me when I use to work at this restaurant this really pretty girl started working there.
She would have all the guys surround her like a pack of hungry wolves.
I remember she always got some guy to do what she did not want to do, she use her looks to do so.

Remember her telling me to do something for her and I said nah ( I am not gonna be on any girl because she's pretty). Anyways after that she didn’t like me. I dated plenty of attractive women but that because I been told I am pretty attractive, well I don’t know.

Oddly average looking women don’t like me only attractive women.

[atheistaredumb]

another lying women

(No honey, the reason you will never get a girlfriend is your attitude of blaming women for all your problems)

you women are the problem

EITHER CHANGE OR WATCH THE FUTURE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS LOL
like the bible said my children are destroyed for lack of knowledge

[TimeSplittersxvc]

Yes because nothing si ever fucking precious, perfect, saintly womens fault is it

[JudgmentDay]

It's all just delusions and illusions dude. If you really want to have a family and children of your own some day then you would keep trying no matter what until you succeed, and you probably should. But if your outlook is that no matter what we do is really futile and that we're all going to die eventually anyway like how I am, you'll pretty much say fuck it all in your mind and totally give up the will and motivation to ever bother with trying at all anymore.

Take your pick, what is it that you really want?

Those physical attraction and desires whether sexual or romantic or otherwise for the opposite gender is really just there to drive us to procreate and reproduce. But eventually those effects wear off and shit. Otherwise why are there many unhappy marriages, relationships and cheating and lying? Even physical beauty and appearances don't last forever, it's a complete lie before our very eyes and minds.

Believe what you really want to believe.

Figure out what your goals in your life is going to be , at 17, I'd worry more about finishing school, getting a good and stable career, most aren't really stable anymore as unexpected layoffs and downsizing happens more often than not unless you have some seriously unique and rare skills and talents that are in demand and very marketable and very much a needed and valuable asset to a company or staff.

No relationships are ever absolutely guaranteed to last forever, and that's the bitter truth and reality also.

You could have found someone you "loved" and they could unexpectedly die at anytime such as the very next day or hour.

And then what? Right. You're back to being entirely on your own all over again, and worse off, you'll be even more bitter if you had invested so much emotionally into them from the very beginning when you first met and got to know them.

[myTake Owner]

Well I don't really need to focus on school because I plan to join the Marine Corps after high school. I don't understand if you are agreeing with me or not

[JudgmentDay]

Good luck with it. If that is your career goal then go for it.

Military isn't for everyone though.

I believe that war is a racket though, and that the people that run the world have the most to benefit and gain from wars that are fought as it has always been that way if ever decide to look deeper into history of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0

[bloodmountain1990]

Do yourself a favor and don't generalize all women like this. I have experienced these things myself and while dating is a frustrating process, you can't just lump every single women into that category. You won't get anywhere that way.

I used to feel the same way you do when I was younger and blamed women on everything, disregarding any flaws I had. Looking back, I then realized what I was doing wrong that made me strike out with some women so much at the time. I'm no expert with women but I at least know what not to do.

[myTake Owner]

I'm not generalizing. I'm not saying ALL women do this. I'm saying the MAJORITY do.

[Valkyrie1]

That is is still generalizing.

[myTake Owner]

@Valkyrie1 generalizing would mean I woul say that all girls do this

[Valkyrie1]

No it would not to "make general or broad statement by inferring from specific cases." is to generalizing the moment you say "most but not all" or "not all but the vast majority" you are in fact generalizing.

[Valkyrie1]

For example all the generalization on this site tend to start with those two statements.

[Shezadi]

this mytake owner is just a fucking 17 year old child, I am sure his mother and sister have those qualities, and listen 17 year old child, you exist because someone chose to be in a relationship. Had your father chosen to remain single, you would not have existed! And love is the absence of judgement, love is ignoring every turn off, love is forgiveness and patience, somewhere I have those personality traits and STILL my boyfriend loves me even though i can be a fucking nightmare. THIS IS LOVE, loving someone even when they are not perfect. If a girl chooses not to shave her legs, armpits, arms, will you date her, if she will not wear makeup, good clothes, you will not like her and still the next day you will go on saying "I like natural beauty," and I don't think you will stay a virgin for the rest of your life. A man is nothing without a wife and children! Good luck staying single and virgin for the rest of your life.

[Shezadi]

mytake owner, when I was your age, I also hated men and now I have changed, and now I am in a relationship, you will change with time and you are still growing.

[myTake Owner]

@Shezadi I wrote this three years ago. My views have change. Also, it’s my parents fault that I exist in the first place. Didn’t ask to exist. Didn’t ask to live. My goal in life is to have a hot girlfriend, but I can’t achieve it because I do not have the looks. It’s why I’m in the gym almost everyday working my ass off because it’s the only way I will be able to attract a beautiful girl

[RJGraveyTrain]

This is silly.

You're what? 15-17? You haven't even met any real adult women and you're essentially trying to claim you have enough real world experience to peg more than half of the female population with a very shitty perspective.

Let me tell you that only crap people, men and women alike, behave like this.

1. Women are human. There will be some who play games, and some who don't. Men are equally as bad for this shit, look up any "how to get a guy or girl" article and you'll find manipulative tactics but that doesn't mean that all, not even most of us do this.

2. The only guys women label as creeps are CREEPS, or blatantly dudes that they don't find appealing. I discussed this subject before, it's the uncomfortable experience that makes them dislike it. If you're kosher, no woman will attack you for approaching her unless she's a 15 year old prude.

3. Everyone has a right to be picky, first of all, men and women alike. In my experience though, women are more likely to look past the physical than men, but I am not naive enough to say my experience speaks for the whole male populus. If their standards are dumb, pass her up, don't blame the rest of us for it.

4. We don't want bad boys, we just don't want pussies. Be capable of taking charge, speaking your mind, and being a big boy instead of a little kid. We don't want freaking convicts that treat us like crap, we want you to have guts and be your own, confident person. Shocker! I know.

5. If we want a bad ass then why would we wanna control him? Bad ass/bad boy types aren't the types to be controlled so that's contradictory. Most women I know hate a guy they have to constantly control and direct because it feels like you have an incapable child. It's why half of the guys I date I never call again; because they actually WANT me to make all of the decisions for them and always BE IN CONTROL.

Conclusion: I think you're likely a good kid who had bad experiences, but you're too young to say this is concrete fact. Take more time to let your mind change before you mark us with a scarlet letter.

[Sexualchrist]

His points are actually pretty close to the mark

[cyndyrene]

@Sexualchrist seriously. Whether girls are 15 or 25 they all do this shit. Me included. Shitty human beings.

[hifromkai]

People play games. It's what we do

I've been called a creep a few times. I'm not being perverted or trying to be creepy I'm just friendly and some people get the wrong idea

Maybe it's just cause I'm Fuck ugly which I probably am I don't know I can't see myself through a girls eyes

Or maybe it's because I do things that come off creepy...

I don't even know what creepy is anymore

All I know is that no matter what a guy does some girls just aren't interested and that's fine

what this guy needs to realize is that his social standing is very low and young girls in general like older guys because they're strong or they have jobs and they're more mature blah blah blah

But this was obviously written by someone with no fucking idea

Excuse the swearing and the lack of grammar, been awake for over 36 hours

[myTake Owner]

@hifromkai some young girls like older men, others do not. No matter what the case is, girls will think anyone who isn't attractive is lesser.

[TimeSplittersxvc]

He is spot on, you have just summed that up. Stupid braindead silly answer really.

[godfatherfan]

When I saw the post I thought "that has to be a teenager". Yep.
What you have is a list of excuses. So it comes down to "what are you going to do about it?"
When I was young, and actually until around 2001, I had sever hyperhydrosis of the hands. My hands sweat. All the time. Profusely. I filled one of those small dixi cups in less then 2 minutes once. Because it was so embarrassing and gross I just hid from people. That really wasn't hard because I was also very overweight. So I had nobody. No friends, never a girlfriend. High School was a nightmare.
During early 1985, end of my Junior year, I started to lose weight. I lost about 60 lbs over 8 months. I had my first date that summer. July 7, 1985. We went out a few times but nothing steady.
Long story short, I dated 5 women. Only 1 more then 1x. I was signed up and going into the Air Force. I made a promise to myself that I would not go in attached to anyone. that didn't seem like much of a promise since it has never been an issue.
My recruiter took 4 of us to Wright Patterson AFB in Ohio. There is a museum there. 2 guys, 2 girls. So one of the girls was rude and obnoxious. the other was really cute and my type. She didn't care about planes and was just trying to get out of a day in High School. I was layed off waiting to go into basic and killing time. We spent the day together. I went back and forth if I should ask her out and I did in the end. We spent every day but 1 from Jan 10, 1989 until I went into the service Feb 14, 1989. I came home May 27 on a 3 day memorial day pass and proposed. We were together 25 years, 4 days and have 3 amazing sons.
Why the long speech? because when you stop worrying about finding someone, when you stop obsessing about all the things that are wrong with you and why nobody wants to be with you, when you stop trying to find things that are wrong with them, that is when they someone finds you. Sure not always, but I have heard enough stories to believe it.
I gave up hope. I figured I would be alone all my life. But that didn't happen.
Stop worrying about it, concentrate on trying to make yourself happy, you never know what might find you.

[myTake Owner]

Amazing story. I plan on joining the Marine Corps after high school. Don't really care if I see combat or not and don't really care if i die or not, although I'm kind of scared to die (I know it's contradicting) because I don't know what happens when you die. But here's the thing. I'm not worried about women. Well, I am a little bit, but it's not my biggest concern. I'm simply putting out there that the majority of women tend to do these things that I listed that's all. I don't hate women, I don't blame women for all my problems. Just exposing some of the stuff women do so that they can stop blaming men for all of their problems.

[godfatherfan]

they do a lot more then that. but us men do a lot of stuff they find annoying also. That is life. When you find the right person none of it matters. You find a way to compromise and make it work. Therapy can be extremely helpful. I wish I had it when I was young. I didn't get into it until 1999. When I was young I thought only weak and crazy people saw a therapist. Boy was I wrong. But I was young. I still go. Unfortunately I am divorced (not my idea or desire). So it helps me with dating since I really never dated. I went right from meeting my ex to engaged lol. good luck.
P. S. Don't go in the Marine's. That IS crazy. US Air Force is the way to go. You get the best of everything. Your basic is only 6 weeks. It is not heavy on PT but it is mentally stressful. It is the Cadillac of the Armed Services...

[Fearless_banana]

You sound like you won't make it past bootcamp. I don't really care if I die or not? You sound like you have legit problems and this is coming from someone who has served in the Marines. You're not going to die even if you join 03. The war is over. You're not exposing anyone.

[myTake Owner]

@Fearless_banana since you are a former marine I will show a large amount of respect for you, but you don't know me. You don't know my physical capabilities, you don't know me in general. The war is not over because we are at war with ISIS. As of RIGHT NOW there are no ground troops, but that may change depending on the president. In the Marine Corps, you have to face the probability of dying, which is what I'm doing. When I say "I don't care" I mean that I'm not afraid. I'm confident I'll make it past boot camp and with all due respect sir I believe your points are invalid

[Fearless_banana]

Well I can respect that you are not turning into a pansy on me and throwing knives back which shows you have discipline. Your mindset is going to change dramatically throughout bootcamp. Truth be told you don't know shit about facing those realities yet but you will. If you tell your recruiter that 'you don't care about dying' he most likely won't even let you swear into DEP.

[myTake Owner]

@Fearless_banana so you should care about dying even though you have a big chance of dying?

[Fearless_banana]

It's the wording in which you put it. As if your life means nothing so you don't care about it. If you say that before you hit the fleet then they will send you to mental eval. There is no big chance of dying. Even if you are going 03. Craziest shit that went down was over a decade ago in falujah. helmand province was also pretty hot.. One of my good friends got blown up by ied a about 15 miles out from camp leatherneck because eod didn't do their job correctly. Shit happens of course but it's unlikely. Marine corps wants stable solid guys.. Not guys saying I don't care if I die. They promote that shit in PI and MCRD but you can't be the one to initiate that kind of mindset. Your kill hat DI will tear you a new asshole if he caught you talking like that and will give a reality check. If you talk like that as a boot in the fleet your NCOs will haze you and laugh at you.

[Fearless_banana]

In other words.. you gatta earn your earn your chevrons and respect before you start acting all rugged GI Joe like. That pisses a lot of other Marines off and they won't hesitate to snap on you.

[OPBinYYC]

In Response (BTW) You're On the Right Track and I Don't Care WTF these Women & 'Girls' Think as it's Irrelevant.

I'm here to help you. You are 17 years old and it's better for you to get the 'REAL' advice you need to survive in this world.

You mentioned you've seen men go through this that are older right? I am part of that statistic.

Just so you have a frame of reference from where I am coming from, I am 5'10, 5% boyfriend, 160 lbs lean muscle; Make over $200,000 per year income; model ; play sports (boxing, martial arts etc.); weaponsmith/armorsmith, modify/restore vehicles cars and motorcycles, paint vehicles, woodworking, stone working and for a career I wear a suit and tie, those were my hobbies. I am genuinely a 'Nice Guy' in the truest sense and grew up with very traditionalist beliefs (marriage, wife, kids & happily ever after). Guess what, for your own sake don't watch television, movies or social media (snapchat, instagram or FB) as they are tools to condition your mind and socially conform.

So where is this leading to? Ok here it is my young 'male' brother, some words from a seasoned 'Man' that your points are spot on!

Let's break it down for everyone!

1. Women like to play games - Yes, absolutely true. Why? Human nature. Women are physically the weaker sex and 'games' are how they survived since the beginning of species. Reason is they had to offer or manipulate the male gender to do their bidding for they could not or didn't wish to do certain things. Like kill animals for pelts and food, defend or attack other human beings for territory & resources. So that social programming is instinctual and while the male species is 'goal' orientated to achieve a 'specific' goal women are more social creatures that do what they enjoy, mind games or manipulation is their form of dominance or control. Can't win physically so they try to do so emotionally and mentally.
2. Women call anyone who approaches them and tries to meet them a "creep"
Yes, they call them a creep because it doesn't satisfy their unreasonable standards. Even if they lead the guy on and things don't go well they will call him a creep at their convenience because it's shaming. Fu*k that shit, I mean I will call a woman a creep now just to turn the tables. I turn women down daily several times a day because I am sick of their natures (narcissistic & ego driven self entitlement). I walked away from the game as it's rigged since women have the final say in the reproductive game. (continued.)

[OPBinYYC]

(continued...)
3. Women are very picky
You sir are correct. Picky doesn't mean wise or discriminating. It simply means whatever the F*ck gets them wet at that moment. It has nothing to do with logic or rational thought. Women are emotional creatures driven by their 'feelings' not common sense. They are picky with what turns them on... not what you have or what you can provide, although 'most' are always out for 'themselves' until their is no benefit and then they walk... opportunism. Which leads to your next statement transitioning very well...
4. Women want a "bad ass"
Absolutely they do, why do you think a movie like 50 shades of grey, or all the asshole guys in movies make them wet? Because they want to be dominated (not abused there is a big difference). I was a classic 'nice guy' as mentioned. I pulled lots of 'P' but I wanted the real thing, had it and was married & then these women say they want a 'nice guy' what they really mean is 'I want you to take accountability, I won't'

[OPBinYYC]

(continued..)
5. Women want to take control of a guy
Yup, but no. So back to statement #4 women want a bad ass. So they want to 'SEE IF YOU CAN BE CONTROLLED'! It's a 'shit test' bro. They do this to see if you are a 'nice guy, white knight, mangina' whose so whipped (although you think by social conditioning you're supposed to be romantic blah blah) but in reality you are a utility, they want to see how much they can use you (not only money, emotionally your'e a tampon, or fix things, etc. etc.). They will push you & push you to see how much shit you will take from them, how much they can control you. Control over you means taking your resources (time is a resource too). Until they find a 'bad boy/bad ass' that makes them wet & won't take their crap, they won't even test it (not much anyways) because they don't want to lose him, because he drives her wild with lust & desire, why? Because he dominates. Men are the 'Prize' & 'Kings'... start not caring & results come. I KNOW!!!

[OPBinYYC]

Final closing statements...

Dont' give a f*ck. Live your life for you! Women are just SEX. They use you, you use them then ok?
Be clear that you are exchanging utility, so really not using.
No free rides for them, feminism & equality has long been here, chivalry is a word for double standards & hypocrisy; romance is you catering to their shit test.
They don't like it then they can move on, I mean If you don't have goals/dreams then GET SOME!
You're purpose on this earth is not to just get some ass, have some kids, get divorced (statistics don't lie, & woman instigate about 80% of divorces more technically but I'm not getting into the stats. you can research if you want), then one day you lose your kids & emotionally, financially & sometimes physically (women initiate 71% of non-reciprocal partner domestic violence)
All in all, go RED/PURPLE PILL, I'm red pill most of the time, but then purple as I need sex to optimally go about in life. We all have needs. So I use women like they use

[myTake Owner]

All in all good points man I'm glad you understand what is wrong with the majority of females today.

[Electric_Dreams]

I agree with much of the logic behind what you're saying, much of it is accurate in a purely logical, theoretical sense. I for one am actually averse to being in a relationship, mainly because of point 5. It seems to me that so many women are very controlling of their male partners. It's something I want to avoid as I am a lonesome individual anyway, very much divergent from the mainstream, and I have ambitions which I don't want to be distracted by family or relationships.

However my real issue is double standards. See, men who are so controlling over their female partners I would argue are called abusive, oppressing women's freedom. If this is the case then the women are too. I think double standards with regards to perceptions of behaviour of the sexes are common, double standards where it's okay for women to do one thing but not for men to do are pretty abundant.

However, and now we're at the second however, just as there are double standards that disrespect men there are also double standards that disrespect women. There are double standards stipulating things it's okay for men to do but not for women, such as be topless or to be a slut.. or a whore for that matter (a slut being someone who fucks a lot of people, a whore being someone in the profession). Yeah because a male slut is a player, a female slut is some sort of degenerate. A male pornstar is livin' golden, a female pornstar is some sort of degenerate.

While what you're saying perpetuates a generalisation, like I said it does make sense to a degree. The reason why though is not because there is something inherently wrong with women, not because women are selfish and cruel, it's because humans are flawed. So many people are hypocrites, with a lack of principles, with mental and emotional problems to be frank. I think a lot of people have become products of the society they live in, influenced, sub-consciously controlled by conventions, etiquette in their society, and significantly by the media. People are lacking individuality, a strong sense of their own identity.

And so, society is absolutely rife with unhealthy relationships. Why? Because of the way people are in society today. Not women. People. See, you could make a similarly titled list with five points pertaining to why men make it difficult for women to engage in a healthy relationship.

Aside from where I said I believe your take is righteous, I do believe there is also an inherent bias, a tone of cynicism. I understand the cynicism and I can relate to that. The abundance of unhealthy relationships doomed to fail plays a large part in my decision to be alone. Like I said it's not to do with women though, it's to do with people, and society.

[TokyoGhoulLover]

1.) Kinda true, I have no right to dispute this claim because some women actually do play mind games. But please keep in mind that some girls just genuinely want to be nice and friendly to everyone even if its for insecurity reasons so please do not clump them all into one box I have friends like this,

2.) I apologize for this on people like me's behalf. Me? I personally find shy awkward guys Relatable and Adorkable but also people like me have a difficult time trusting the first person who walks up to the bar especially if they have been assaulted in the past and are trying their hardest to get back out there. We know not all guys are like him, but it still keeps you up at night, you know? So I apologize and ask that you give some of us the benefit of the doubt for being on guard you don't know the history behind it although some of the women can just be shallow and mean.

3.) Yes women can be picky but even now the Muscle Head type is going out of style as the evolutionary advancement for our species lies in the intelligent and the creators of things (hence why some see hookers in Comic con. they are tryin to get that Nerd dough $ ) even so this is inexcusable, but also keep in mind that both guys and girls just have a type bro, you don't want a crazy person who looks like Big foot with tits, we don't like the creepy 40 year old guy that has obvious lust in his eyes it just depends on what type of girl your going for and vice versa

4.) Well this depends on the upbringing. I was raised by my dad and older brother who taught me most things about dudes, and that I don't need social media to run my life, so I think that the Badass is stupid and will only end in Abusive relationship, s neglectful relationship, or a boring one. I'll take the guy who will treat me like a queen any days, so long as I can treat the nice guy with the same amount of affection

5.) For the most part, nice girls or smart women just want the guy to be himself, albeit take care of himself as she would and put the same amount of effort into a relationship as she would. but that is what is expected of a once again mutual serious relationship. You want to put your hand in your pants in front of the tv? Fine I'll drink a beer right alongside you, but don't expect the woman to be the only working person in the relationship while the dead beat lives on the couch It all depends on how one interprets this

[Rei02]

I Know that you don't hate women, not because you say it, it is because of how you are expressing yourself in the text.

I can relate to all points except number 1, but like someone said and I agree, not only girls, but guys can have those same issues. Even if one knows those things are bad, there are some moments in life which can make you Fall either in one of the points or others which you haven't mentioned.

Eg, Stalking, chasing and spying someone is disrespectful and creepy, specially if the girl already told you that her feelings aren't reciprocate to yours. Like the abhorrent admirers the celebrities have, to the point where they feel harrassed. If one has passed through it, hope the person reminds it if he/she falls for someone whose feelings may also not reciprocate.

Adultery is bad, everyone knows it and to what I currently know, it is still illegal. However, I met someone, a guy, who has always spoken negatively about it, who shows hate towards the people who does it, but one day it came to me, even he told it indirectly, that he is dating with someone whose marriage is not stable.

Yeah, women can be picky, but men are as well. Being picky is related to choose and decide what is the Best for one, and not only with a partner, one can also be picky about food, movies, friends, places to go, furniture. Everyone has their own standards about what is cool, nice and beauty, but only life can make them change their point of view.

Yes, some girls want bad guys because the media brainwashing, like some guys who also like bitches because they find them more attractive than the nice ones. This is a phase which everyone in life has to pass through, some grow up from it faster while others slower or even get stalled, no matter the gender.

This also is related to the beauty and coolness standards each of us have, adding also the stupid idea that it has been programmed to us as kids: if they treat you like dirt, then it means he/she likes you. (then it comes the romantic fantasies, either with drama or comedy, where the true love is a tsundere, yandere, an asshole, a bitch, a psicopath, etc)

And the desire of control, not only some women, but also some men want it. The problem is also being on the other extreme, being submissive and being a doormat. The option here, besides of admitting in which extreme you are, is to find a mid term, something very difficult.

In conclusion, we have to Know ourselves and focus on being better and more independent persons, no matter the gender, the age, the race, etc. And in the moment when you don't expect, someone can appear in your life.

[NedfromtheNed]

Do not fret.

The world is divided into pools of people. Each pool will marry people within their pool because they all share common values.

Your pool may be large or small dependent on what your values are; but there will always be others in your pool.

In the end, almost everyone finds someone; its just the waiting and search that is a bitch.

Do what you can to be sociable. Until you talk to the random old lady sitting next to you in the hotel lobby while your friends play games on their phones, you will have much to learn. Even after doing such you will have a lot to learn.

I worry too. For the women in today's world aren't like that of the past. They hide their emotions and intentions in texts and games. They feel they can do whatever they want because they are cleverly hidden behind a small rectangular device that blocks their sympathies.

But I feel a change is coming too. I believe it to be a change for the better, hopefully one that will aid people in seeing the robots and anti-social sheep they have become.

[GGasks]

I feel like a lot of the woman’s behavior that you examined here is told not from things she’s actually doing but some men’s interpretation of her actions. Seeing less as a person and more as a “what can she do and what has she done for me” which is natural human instinct of course but eventually has to be outgrown. You’re first issue as to women playing games is not a game at all but a woman’s interest changing based on new information. A cute guy at work start trying to flirt, speak to him and he brings up an issue you disagree with him on. That’s up to her to decide if that’s a deal breaker. Some women will go ahead and turn that guy down but ghosting gets the message across far clearer without an embarrassing convo from either party. Women tend to refer to men who approach them for their phone number a creep not even because that guy is a creep but because we have been trained to be responsible for our own safety. I was taught when I was 12 years old that if I was walking anywhere from a store to the car to keep my car keys between my knuckles. There’s an entire checklist women are taught to do in every aspect of their lives and it still isn’t enough. So again I see even if that poor guy isn’t actually a creep, a lot of women didn't think ted bundy was a creep and look where it got them. And lastly the friend zone and nice guy complex make you a punchline to girls and her friends. They don’t exist. The friend zone isn’t real she just doesn’t like you like that and she doesn’t owe you anything and again treating someone nice and like a person does not mean they owe you a date. Ever. Some people just aren’t compatible and it has only about 20% to do with looks

[19magic]

1. Yeah that happens too many times, a flatmate of mine was hanging on the hope that this guy from home is going to ask her out. And at the same time she was like I like this guy and he wants to hang out with me all the time. Just be honest girl, you love the attention.
2 there's only been two times I've called a guy a creep, one was I was dancing with this guy and he just started licking my arm. That shits weird. The second time was a guy whom I've exchanged numbers with (after a 20 min convo), and he expected me to come round his when he called me later that day at 3/4am.
3. Most my friends are pretty open about who they like. The only common trait will be that the guy is taller than them.
4. I'm not too sure what to say about that, other then a nice guy is lovely, just as long he can be a bad guy in bed.
5. Some girls do that's for sure, my aunt and uncle is like that, throughout the house everything is spotless then there's the 'man cave' which is all my uncles doing. The most amount of controlling I'll do is force my boyfriend to go to a work party/get together or tell him he has to have a meal with my family. But I'll probs just give him a pass, you do this for me and I'll go anywhere for you, kinda thing.

[Satanic666Deathslut]

I agree with all of your points, I experienced all of these things as well as seeing it happen to some of my buddies. You may be younger than I, but you sure are pretty intelligent for your age, I was just like you actually. Though it was a little bit of generalization but overall, you hit the nails on my head. There are some good women out there but most women are simply just immature, just acting like your typical high school girls. It does not matter if you are a good man who is handsome, confident, outgoing, hard working, ambitious, respectful, open-minded, educated, etc. A lot of females will not give you a chance until they are finished riding the cock carousel from their teenage years to the late 20's/thirties. However, by some random chance of luck, a woman may give you a chance. Attraction also plays a role in scoring dates. Hey, I am a virgin (not by choice, the opportunity just never happened) but I do not care what women think of me.

When these females say they want a "good man", they actually mean a bad boy who treats others like shit but who she can bend to her will. She wants to change the bad boy into a good man, but he can only be good for her. These kind of women want to feel "special" by the bad boy, they want him to only treat her with respect but no one else. But only until the bad boy fucks her over by neglecting, abusing, and cheating on her. 95% of the time, you cannot change an individual's personality. The reason why a lot of these females are mad because nobody likes the bitter truth.

Keep on doing your own thing and strive to create your own future. One of these days, I hope a good man like you will find an amazing and down-to-earth pretty woman. Just keep making a lot of money, devote to loving yourself first, and always invest your money. Focus on your life and bank account, women can go worry about themselves. I will always believe in you. May God bless you through your journey to create your future, do not give up man.

[englisc]

Om points 1, 2 and 3, these things depend on how attractive you are to women. The more attractive you are the less it happens. There's a lot you can do to become more attractive. Saying you'll never get a girlfriend because women are picky is a loser mentality - why not try to improve yourself instead?

Point 4 - true to an extent. I'm quite a risk-taker and enjoy combat sports do there's that - this is mainly to do with the need for a woman to feel protected. It has always been a man's job to protect the women, children, family, tribe etc. Although many have forgotten that because they think it's up to the police, it still is a man's job. It takes on average 10 minutes for police to arrive. You're being attacked, can you get to your. phone in time to call them and explain where you are, what's going on etc? Most likely not. 10 minutes is plenty of time to drop you and run away. So still it's an important quality, whether women realise it or not they look for it instinctually (it's also why they like taller, muscular men, barring exceptions). But you can have those qualities and still be a good guy. Just don't be a pushover.

5 Many of them try to, but they don't really want to. And if you go along with it they no longer respect you. It's kind of like a test to see if you have any balls, again probably unconsciously.

You're only 17, so work on your shit and you'll get a girlfriend. Plenty of losers get girlfriends all the time, are you worse than they are? Hope not lol.

[JRICHARDS1996]

The third is perhaps the most important. The only difference between a man who expects for every woman to look like a Victoria's Secret angel and the woman who expects every man to look like Chad Thundercock is that the latter is actually in a position where she can reasonable expect to acquire one. Hence why I refuse to take any woman seriously who speaks of "body shaming" and "unrealistic standards" yet only dates Chad Thundercocks. But the point I'm trying to make this:

We would too.

If we were Leonardo DiCaprio, we would only date Pamela Andersons as well. Thus you cannot really blame women for pursuing only Chad Thundercocks. It hurts, it is unfair, it is a depressing reality, but it is a reality we have to accept if we wish to learn.

What we have to do is be utilitarian and view this as a numbers game, as rotten as that may sound. Unlike Chad Thundercock or the average girl, we cannot reasonably expect women to accept us. Instead we have to go out and get what we want. We have to do this by CONSTANTLY asking women out. Rejection is not the exception but the norm. Our goal is to get just 1 Yes out of 100 No's. We have to play the mathematics right, and as much as this may contradict romantic notions of "winning over" your woman through effort, you need to expend your effort in ways that are most likely to yield the greatest return.

In other words, if a woman is leading you on or sending mixed signals, don't pursue her like a fairy tale. Only Chad Thundercock can afford that and we are not him. Instead ask out 10 more women.

[BubbleBoy69]

Chad has feelings too you know

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[Anonymous]

Nailed it! Having many more years of life experience than the OP, I agree with everything he wrote.

One additional point about bad asses vs. nice guys: After women have spent their 20's riding the cock carousel of bad boys, they reach something we call The Wall. Most women hit the wall at age 30. Some sooner, some can fake it a little longer. When they see the wall approaching, and the bad boys have moved on to younger, prettier specimens, women become desperate to land themselves what we call a Beta-Wallet. He's the nice guy they spent the previous 15 years laughing at and calling a creep.

The nice guy still doesn't appeal to them physically. He doesn't make their nether regions tingle like the bad boy did. But the nice guy has stability. He can afford a house. He won't expect his wife to hold a job. He will be content with missionary sex, begrudgingly granted to him once per month. That's what women want to secure before The Wall does it's full damage.

Many nice guys fall for it. Once they get a whiff of pussy, they fall under it's spell. They wife her up just before The Wall hits. She might even have a kid or two by him, to join the one or two pre-teens that she brings from her carousel riding days. Of course, the new kids MIGHT be his. They might also have been sired by one of the remaining bad boys that she still sees behind the nice guy's back (yeah, women cheat).

A summary for the younger guys: NEVER put a ring on a Post-Wall woman. NEVER pay for access to a vagina that was previously given away for free. If you weren't good enough for her then, she's not good enough for you now.

Let the shaming language commence.

[Darkfairie17]

I think the key, as it is for anyone really, is to spend time trying to find someone who is not into games, someone who wants a real connection.

As a single 27 year old, I feel like I have had to work incredibly hard to find someone who I can be with. Not because I'm super picky or play games, or call guys creeps. But because I feel a lot of guys do the above too. But I know there are decent guys out there.

I tend to date older, simply because guys my age are still trying to figure out their lives. Which is totally okay! But guys who are a bit older are more settled. I think once people get settled it becomes easier to figure out what they want.

We are so busy in our twenties trying to find ourselves that it makes it hard for relationships to last. At least that is how I see it.

How can you know what you want when you are being pulled in 30 different directions in life?

[myTake Owner]

Correct. You don't know what you want. So just say that. Or better yet don't get into a relationship that you don't know if you want. With all due respect of course.

[Shorty1991]

Nah, I would still prefer the straight forward approach from men. You must be approaching the wrong kind of women, they have no right to call you creeps if your just over talking to them. I don't have patience for the ones that choose to lurk around like paedos at a playground for years before they even decide to talk to you. Guys like that are just time wasters that end up resorting to the same old tactics (that don't work with most women) so they just end up going round in circles. Even though they've stood right next to you countless times and rather than even attempt to say hello, they just stand there pretending to look busy, pretty much throwing every single chance they have with you out the window. Years on they get jealous of you talking to other men. That's my definition of creeps.

[myTake Owner]

Those guys aren't necessarily "creeps" they are more shy. A creep would be a guy who keeps persisting or touches a girls strangely.

[Shorty1991]

Yes I agree those are creeps. But are you saying that following someone around for years doesn't come across as creepy and stalkerish?

[Bobbyhill1]

what do you mean by following? you are making it seem as if someone who is standing next to you countless times acting busy are creeps. I suppose also in a workplace if someone does not talk to you even though passing and is near you multiple times makes them a creep? Thats not a good way to be thinking. In your logic YOU are also a creep for not saying anything. I hate this notion that goes around that men HAVE to be the ones to make the first move or talk first we aren't all the same mentally a lot of things are on our backs. Some men just cannot make the first move due the way women act so judgmental. if he approaches you he is ''thirsty'' or he just wants sex and doesn't care about you or you flat out act disrespectful. and dont tell my any of this isn't true either. MANY women disrespect the men they have crushes on or play hard to get

[Bobbyhill1]

and the only time none of that applies is if he is a 10/10. luckily I do not go through what average men go through. many women throw themselves at me but having a mutual understanding of how they are so picky and treat other guys like shit, I treat many of them like shit too. There are only a few females who I have the outright most respect for. society has tolerated this for to long. We put women on a pedestal and this is the direct affect

[Shorty1991]

@Bobbyhill1 well I'm talking about a guy that had a crush on me years ago. He works in a supermarket that I used to shop in. It started off with the usual no verbal flirting. He used to follow me around the shop and stand next to me all of the time, expecting me to take him by the hand and initiate for him. That's bullshit that men are always expected to initiate. You and others who always put it down to gender roles always seem to think that men have it the hardest. I would say it was pretty even. Unlike you, I don't put it down to gender roles. I think that who ever has the crush should make the first move. Not sit back and wait for your crush to do that for you. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If the one with the crush never acts on it or acts on it years later when its too late. That makes it their loss. This guy waited 2 years before he was going to talk to me when he had ample opportunities in the past. So I think you'll find that I'm no creep.

[Shorty1991]

@Bobbyhill1 and talking of workplaces, 1 year after that guy followed me around the supermarket. A guy at my work displayed the exact same antics, and guess what? I notified a friend of his behaviour and I discovered that he already had a girlfriend. How fucked up was that? So if you think that bad mouthing women for treating men like crap makes you feel any better. Then go ahead, because we're not all the same. Some men can be just as bad, leading women on and playing mind games with them regardless of whither they are in relationships or not. Oh, and just for the record. I don't play hard to get, I am hard to get. Especially for those guys that can't seem to act on it. I refuse to take those guys by the hand. If one crush does that for them. They'll just get lazy and expect it from every other crush they have. I've already initiated with my crushes, I get to know them first and then sadly discover that they are already in relationships but it never stops them from flirting with me.

[Shorty1991]

@Bobbyhill1 10/10? You see, I don't get into relationships with guys just by basing it on looks. Compatibility is more important. I doubt that someone who's incapable of talking to you makes for a good relationships. That a lack of communication for starters.

[Bobbyhill1]

men dont have it the hardest? Is that why 99% of work related deaths are from male? is that why our salary and looks determine what girl we get a lot of the time? also most men DO have to make the first move, and they also have a lot of other high standards that they have to meet. Besides that I dont only bad mouth ladies look at my other post I have done the same to men, it goes both ways

''I've already initiated with my crushes,''

if this is the case then you DONT play hard to get. You actually act on how you are feeling. A girl will sometimes act like even if a guy was the last man on the earth she wouldn't be with him. A guy will act like a girl is the only female on the earth if he is really serious about her. I have NEVER seen a guy play hard to get. some girls feel like they are worth the extra effort. If someone plays hard to get or plays little mind games Ill just bye and go my way

[Shorty1991]

@Bobbyhill1 we're not all gold diggers either, if most men go for this high maintenance chicks that are only after them for their money. That's too bad, at the end of the day its bad judgement and they should just dump those kind of women and look for someone more suitable. Yeah, you got that right. I act on what I feel. I feel that I had to learn the hard way and gain confidence when it came to talking to crushes. The way i used to be at school never got me anywhere, i had already made those mistakes and learned from them. Other people should learn to do the same. None of my crushes ever took me by the hand. I've seen guys attempting to make other women jealous. Guys that are already in relationships lead other women on, creeps that get touchy feely or forceful with women and those guys that spend more time dithering about than doing something about it until its at the last kick. Of course all of the above apply to women that mess guys around too. They just give people

[Bobbyhill1]

also remember, a shy guy may give off a creepy vibe but some of the time he may just be to shy to even go up to you. If that isn't your type its your opinion but not all quiet people are creeps

[Shorty1991]

They just give people a bad name. What I learned back then. Was if I never try, I'll never know. So when i left school I tried and failed, because like I said earlier on. Those guys were all ready in relationships. I didn't get the outcome I wanted which I thought sucked at the time. But noe I'm glad that those guys were taken or just weren't into me. They all turned out to be pricks anyway. So I can happily say that I have no regrets. At least I knew where I stood with those guys.

[Shorty1991]

@Bobbyhill1 I'm not saying that all quiet people are creeps. I was referring to those guys or ones like them. I've known some shy guys in my time. They don't always go to the extent of being stalkers. If shy guys come across as creepy then they are going about it the wrong way. That guy I was talking about, all it takes is for him to start following the wrong woman. Let's just say he's not her type. Not tall, not built like a brick shit house. That guy could end up being reported for harassment and lose his job if he never changes his tactics. But that's my point too if a guy is confident enough to show Interest in me through body language then he should be able yo talk to me at some point. He wasn't scared to come up to me. He always stood right beside me. Almost every time I turned around, he was there. Watching me.

[Bobbyhill1]

yeah your right thats creepy lol

[Shorty1991]

@Bobbyhill1 aye it is. 3 years later when he see's me he goes from being completely uninterested one week to getting jealous when I talk to other men. I think I dodged a bullet with that one. Lol. Good luck sweetie, I think we both need it. Because its a tough world we live in, we have to weed out the bad ones and look for the genuine ones. Hope you find a sweet girl that will treat you right. :)

[Bobbyhill1]

thanks ahaha believe it or not its not that hard to find a good girl or guy, we just look in the wrong places

[Shorty1991]

The only good guy I'll probably ever find is ma best friend. I don't feel that way aboot him. If I did it widnae matter because he's married with a child.

[TimeSplittersxvc]

Sorry but lots of men that do that have Autism And are nervous. A few mass shooting springs to mind where the guy with Autism had a crush for years and then killed her for rejecting him.

[Anonymous]

Most guys will eventually get a girlfriend.

You're 17. Half the people don't even know how to relate to each other in that way yet. Many others "think" they want a partner, but really just want sex (which is generally terrible quality in high school) and social status. Because having a boyfriend or girlfriend keeps you from being able to do all of the things you enjoy whenever you want. Which can honestly be a drag.

Most people get better at it. Which leads to increased dating opportunitues.

[Scrambledagain]

@ Take owner. Don't listen to miss anonymous here. You are wrong too with your victim mentality, and you do need to change something, but this is the worst advice any woman can give a guy. Hence I'm coming on this post.

You must understand that you have a problem to solve and if you don't solve it, it's going to bite you later. A males sexual prime is his early 20's. It's one of the reasons why many married men cheat. They "settle" for a girl because yes they got a girlfriend but it wasn't one they truly wanted. Many men also see prozzies behind their wives back because of the same reason: they settled. They couldn't choose and dictate their love/sexual path. So they settled. I don't want this tragic fate on you. Do the following:
- get positive (hard I know but that's key in attraction)
- gym and eat healthier (obvious)
- but... most importantly: learn game. Seriously get two books and do what they say: double your dating: David deangelo and no more mr nice guy: Robert glover

[myTake Owner]

@Scrambledagain 1.) you can't stay positive when you get rejected all the time

2.) I do workout. I'm not musclar because I'm only 118 pounds but I'm toned

3.) I will read those books thanks for the suggestions.

I'm not saying men aren't to blame. I'm saying women need to take the blame for these things that they would usually blame men for

[Scrambledagain]

Bro... it's hard I know and woman won't get you, but you have to stay positive. I've been there. That's the key thing. The book that helped me out with that is "the leader with no title" Robin Sharma. That book is a positive vitamin B injection. My regret in life is that I didn't read it at your age.

And here is the thing: nobody is to blame. It just is. When men blame woman at what attracts woman, it like being pissed at the moon for being bright. You either embrace it, or moan until you blue in the face and it won't change. When men do this you are skiing up the slope (it's a struggle) instead of having fun and embracing the gravity and going with the slope.

[myTake Owner]

@Scrambledagain it is hard. It'll always be hard. For me at least. Ima check out your book though

[Scrambledagain]

Well, it won't always be hard if you truly commit now. The hardest part (something that I have to deal with everyday) is when you look back when you are older and realise you could've changed when you were younger, but didn't. Yeah, that No more mr nice guy book is something you have to read along with the others. The author is a psychologist who tackled the "nice guy syndrome" thing. And David de angelo is very good with make dating advice. Also check Kezia Noble online. Excellent advice for men.

Good luck.

[Rissyanne]

Having a son... I have to agree with you on this. I have had some girls treat my son like crap. My son has Aspergers and it was hard for him to find a girl. He is 28 now and has a wonderful girl in his life. I hope you don't give up on finding someone. Having said this... I'm sure to get some nasty comments. Really don't care...

[myTake Owner]

I'm sorry to hear that that happened to your son. Girls can be mean sometimes.

[Rissyanne]

Thanks I'm just glad he's happy now.

[Rissyanne]

I was just reading some of the comments. Don't take what these girls say seriously. In my opinion... about half of these girls are hoes...1/4 are bi on this site. There are some nice ones though.

[Shezadi]

rissyanne now I know why people say "woman is another woman's enemy" and mytake owner is bullying people and he is trying to bring them I wish someone would write a mytake against him. He looks to at himself first. He thinks he is god and perfect.

[Rissyanne]

@Shezadi sis get the fuck over yourself. You have no idea what it is like to have a son.

[Shezadi]

rissyanne, those girls are also somebody's daughters, they also have parents, you have no idea what it is like to have a daughter. You have no right to talk crap about somebody's daughter, sister, future wife and future mother.

[myTake Owner]

Now she’s saying that I have a god complex. This is too funny

[Rissyanne]

@Shezadi you ignorant fool. I have a DAUGHTER!

[TimeSplittersxvc]

@Shezadi stfu, just because they are female does not mean they should not be criticised, run down or anything else, it is the shitty women who mistreat those with Autism who are the worse. people have every right to talk 'crap' as you put it about women doing wrong. Your not goddesses or princesses you know.

[TimeSplittersxvc]

@Shezadi oh sso she is just supposed to be nice about women mistreating her Autistic son is she, no fucking way

[lightbulb27]

You are way ahead at 17 if you see all this. There's a lot of wisdom, and there's too much defeatism... that is exactly what the women want to do. Smack down the boys until they are stronger emotionally than they are. Be your own person, be you, your values, your worth, what you offer and don't get validation from her. Then... they will start to be attracted and may you find a nice, decent girl you are compatible with and grow with. There are nice, good girls out there... keep your eyes open and skills and confidence up. good luck! I want to see more good guys win, you can, you will. it;s too much to talk over text... good luck!

[lightbulb27]

this for you bro! Keep working it... don't have any expectations... just build strength.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRRkUQOZ64

[Reallio]

Oh look, another generalization. Because all women are like this : Sure. I love it when people have a problem, and they blame everyone else but themselves. Maybe the problem is that you chase after self entitled princess snowflakes instead of an actual good woman. Change your standards before over generalizing an entire gender lmao.

[myTake Owner]

So I am to blame if I approach a girls and she thinks I'm automatically a creep? These things apply for normal girls too you know and if you read what I said, it says that I know that not all girls don't do this. Just the majority of them do

[Bobbyhill1]

a large majority of women ARE like this, and if you haven't learned by now many generalizations have some from of truth behind it

[Reallio]

Have you met the majority of women? If not then you can't even say that the majority of women behave like this. Yeah some women can be real bitches, but doesn't that tell you the type of woman you chase after? Or even the places you go to pick up women? As I said before, change your standards. Broaden your horizons, you may be satisfied with the results.

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 Have you met a majority of women?

[myTake Owner]

I haven't met the majority of women, but the majority of guys will say these things. The minority of guys who disagree are the ones who don't have trouble picking up women for whatever reason

[Reallio]

The "minority" of guys are probably normal, and when they at some point had problems picking up women they fixed themselves instead of blaming women for his incompetence. Have you really met the majority of men at 17? If a woman acted like this she'd be considered a bitter cat lady. Fix yourself, change your ways of picking up women instead of over generalizing. Cause not all women are like this, I can assure you. You just go after bad girls. This is like a girl saying "The majority of men beat women." because they've only dated men who beat women. It's the men they go after, and attract. I'm telling you man, don't start this bitter mentality so young, there's so much to experience <3 You could find the love of your life. But you won't find her by complaining about past bad experiences. If you want help or advice I'm here for ya, but the majority of women aren't as bad as you think they are.

[Bobbyhill1]

I dont chase after women they usually give me signs to approach them being attractive but I never go through with it because I want a female who will see more more than just a male who isn't so average. Also I dont have to meet them. Stereotypes and media perpetrate such behavior meaning it has truth to it. The hard to get female (classic stereotype) the female that only goes for guys with six figures (not hard to find this female) the girl who will only go out with model type guys (pretty easy to find that female the girl who only like muscle heads (easy to find) I can go on all day, you get the point

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 Like it or not the first thing we see when meeting a new human is appearance. And when there's someone who we deem attractive, obviously we're going to approach them (or want them to approach us). And with that logic you could say "I haven't met all black men, but I can say the majority have big pinglings." See how ridiculous that mentality is? You probably didn't notice but a lot of women (including myself) are attracted to men who are on the chubbier side. I fucking love chubby men, they're more attractive than a six pack in my opinion. Everything you just said was so incorrect.

[Bobbyhill1]

nothing I said was incorrect. I have no problem with girls looking at me. Its when they do it with their partners and even kids around which makes it sickening. Its almost as if they except me to approach them and just swoop them off their feet. Im not the guy of their dreams, because I wouldn't give people like that the time of day. it happens a lot too by the way. Also you like chubby men? Thats cool, but the majority dont. Search up some surveys

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 What does women looking at someone attractive while already being in a relationship have anything to do with dating and picking up women? And please, they're just looking, and you're overthinking it. Maybe some, but I guarantee you the women don't want you to approach them and "sweep them off their feet" when they're with their children/SO. Yeah I'm sure I'm in the minority with liking chubby guys, but I never said that the majority of women like chubby men.

[Bobbyhill1]

''they're just looking, ''
except they dont just look they act like fan girls, some start fixing their hair, some smile, its not a regular stare either it will literally continue for as long as im in the same area as them. some say he's hot RIGHT IN FRONT of their partner which is pretty much a shot in the heart for the guy. of course guys do this too but im pretty sure all hell breaks loose when this happens. either way both are shallow. also the reason why I told you to go look up that survey is because you said ''a lot of women'' are attracted to chubby males, then I corrected you and said the majority aren't. thats all

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 I now see where you're coming from. I'm almost curious to see what you look like lol. I'm sorry you experience this. Honestly I do see single women doing that, but I do not see women who are with their partners behaving as such. You must live in a weird city.-. And if it's not just in that city, it's everywhere you go, I'd assume you were handsome squidward xD
www.youtube.com/watch

[Bobbyhill1]

LMAOOOOOOOO

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 xD

[Bobbyhill1]

this episode is based off what I am describing. it comes from real life events (of course we aren't fish who live in the ocean), its not just me there are many of these men all over that can tell the same thing I am telling you im not an exception its just that there aren't many of us out there. im not excepting anyone to believe me either just do some research on this. Im guessing its the same thing for a hot female too.

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 I see, I wasn't aware of how common this is. I guess beauty has it's cons. I feel bad for you and others who experience this. More and more thirsty women rise, it's gross if I'm honest.

[Reallio]

And men too, if women experience this as well.

[Bobbyhill1]

well as time goes on im realizing this isn't just a male thing females also face this too but a lot of them seem to act annoyed from it. Dont get me wrong I love the attention its the being disrespectful to their partners that I dont like. I am sure you can understand that. You wouldn't like it if your partner was checking out some hot girl drooling lol

[Reallio]

@Bobbyhill1 Oh yeah of course. If I caught my SO drooling over some chick we'd be having a serious conversation. It's disrespectful to the relationship and your partner.

[Bobbyhill1]

16 year olds cannot have serious conversations. You guys are only capable of talking about keeping up the the kardashians

[Shezadi]

@Bobbyhill1 hahahahahaha LOL!

[Shezadi]

Realliou he is doing girls a favour by becoming single, he doesn't deserve a girl, and he should become gay instead and to have a baby with another man, he will be the same person who will become desperate to find a girlfriend to fuck in the next few years. This reminds me of guys who hate makeup but date the fakest bitch!

[myTake Owner]

@Shezadi You’re getting worked up for no reason. Why are you angry?

[Shezadi]

mytake owner I am angry because I read your bitter mytake and don't act like a innocent angel
you are a devil

[myTake Owner]

@Shezadi So you’re triggered because I said some truths about women. Got it

[Shezadi]

mytake onwer, you are so stingy and small hearted, can't imagine a guy like you buying a diamond ring for a lady, or paying in a date, or providing food for his wife and children!

[myTake Owner]

@Shezadi that’s right. I actually don’t want children. Unlike you, I think with logic and reasoning and calculations. I calculate every move I make and estimate the risk/benefit analysis of each situation that I do. So yeah, I’m not emotional. I don’t want a wife either

[TimeSplittersxvc]

Why the fuck should he. You change your fucking standards.

[JohnDoe3000]

The answer to 1) is simple: don't let them play games with you, always be skeptical unless she's shown some dedication (this will also help you with 4) because it gives you a more independent attitude). Don't be desperate, or at least never let them think you're desperate for their attention.

The answer to 2) is also simple: just don't give a f*ck! She thinks you're being a creep, well that's her problem (as long as you weren't planning on hitting on her close friends), you don't owe her anything.

The answer to 3) again is simple: play the numbers game and don't expect to win against Chad Thundercock in the club with girls who are looking for a one night stand. But expect to sometimes win against him in more relaxed settings with girls who are looking for a boyfriend.

[BubbleBoy69]

Chad will still cuck u even in relationships

https://i.imgur.com/oBFUoHi.jpg

[JohnDoe3000]

@BubbleBoy69

With some girls yes, that's why you have to be selective and get her to be emotionally attached to you.

[myTake Owner]

^ that's a pretty hard thing to do unless you're good at "the game"

[JohnDoe3000]

It's not hard at all: being selective just takes some sense, getting her emotionally attached to you is something you don't have to do on the first day (normally she won't cheat on the first day). All of this assumes you found a girl who's interested in you in the first place (and who doesn't repulse you), that's something that takes time and luck (but it helps when you meet more girls, so back to the numbers game).

[myTake Owner]

"All of this assumes you found a girl who's interested in you in the first place (and who doesn't repulse you)" that's the problem. Women can be shallow and will turn you down if you don't look like Chad and then call you a creep because you don't have the best facial features.