Your last point, Sex for One, really touches on what I see as the core issue, at least among younger guys. I've seen shy, cheap, weak, broke, childish guys get girlfriends. Porn addicts, on the other hand, usually end up with such a twisted view of the way a woman should look and behave that the women they meet in real life cannot realistically compete with those delusional fantasies. I cannot count the number of times I've heard guys not approach a pretty girl because her boobs were not enormous or some other ridiculous porn-inspired absurdity.
A lot of those seem like women’s faults, if women care about if a man has a job or money even though the economy is much worst then they should change what here criteria for finding a man is. And that whole masturbation thing only applies to men? Because I’ve seen girls who do it daily and it does seem to effect there lives at all.
All good points. I totally agree that "This site is famous for men whining about not having sex or not being able to get a girl to date them." And, that "there are many more reasons why guys are struggling today with having sex and getting the girl."
Men can get women if they wait until the women are near 30 and desperate. However, it very difficult for young men because young women chase after the hottest guys that will fuck them and reject guys within their league that want an actual relationship. That goes on for about ten years before after fucking about 50 hot guys, they realize guys will fuck down but they don't marry down. Of course by they have lost their bloom and they are not the fresh young thing they were at at age 20.
And, since close to 30 year old hides are not near as desirable as a 20 year old, many of the guys they rejected at age 20 no longer want them. Since they are no longer getting offers from the nice guys they rejected at age 20, the old hides look around and ask, "Where have all the good men gone."
It is a pity that, until after they have lost their bloom, young women chase after guys that are out of their league and reject guys within their league that want to marry them.
@backintown God no! Not for me! But unless they just like shocking people I presume to must do if so many keep doing it. But I’ve never once heard a girl who’s been impressed by it, quite the opposite.
I agree with you... Some of this generation is sexually defunct, especially the guys. I know a guy that has issues with performance, doesn't last long and sometimes doesn't maintain an erection and I think it has something to do with internet porn
Well I moved out of my family house at 18, I like socialising person to person rather than over technology, I'm not into mansplaining, I think I'm generous with my money and I'm not a fan of blaming other people for any inadequacies/problems I encounter so on that basis don't consider myself weak. So 5 out of 6 I'm smashing it out of the park, but if completing the full set means cutting out the odd crafty w*nk then you've another thing coming love lol!
Not far wrong. It's a bit like Japan where men don't know how to speak to woman and even the government is running speed dating to get people together.
I used to be one of these guys until I realised I was the problem, not everyone else
Common girl if you want a gentelman be the deam lady. Yustwhat a shame there arewery few girls now who have an idea of class and elegance. So why should man have it?
Why aren't you basing woman for not acting like a lady? For not being elegant and having classy feel about her? Why blame man when woman are equaly if not more responsible for it?
Ps. figure out what you want and man will get it done. We are simple, we are driven by actions, by way how to do it, how to fix it. We dont tend to cry about as loud as we can. If it can't be done or is to much of hassle for return, we won't do it. And right now men dont see walue in putting extra effort in quiz its not worth it.
Yea, it's all of those. Let's not forget to mention that today's women are spoiled friggin rotten and have this belief that that the lap of luxury is supposed to be just handed to them because they can bat an eyelash or to. Or maybe men just get sick and tired of women being a complete bitch and accusing men of trying to do something nasty when all they try to do is be nice. Not to mention that today's women don't even WANT nice men anymore because they see it as weak, humiliate his tactics, and move on. Let's face it all today's women want for a man is the Daune " The Rock" Johnson type and if your not that you don't even want to be apprached.
I agree on that. Everyday I hear "your not my type" what is your "type" then? I get "your totally repulsive and ugly". I'm sorry. My haircut is short, my glasses are normal, I'm working on my smile with smile direct. I'm short, okay fine. I'm sorry I'm not 5'9 and up. I am me. I got a big heart, Im sorry I dont have all the money in the world to buy you breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I am not made out of money. I am the simple guy who gets his breakfast from the carts (Medium coffee, ½ and ½ -3 sugars, and a buttered roll) with my morning paper. If Im home, its just a small cup of tea and toast. I dont even like extravagant lunches.. at home or whatever.. a slice of pizza and a soda. And for dinner. small slices of Italian bread, butter, and peppermint tea so I can sleep.
When I go out on dates, I am simple too and order whatever she wants. Again, I dont ask for much. Just someone to love me, for me. And Im sorry its not a lot, but thats all I got at this time and what I can give...
There’s a hundred reasons why men can’t get a girl. I think a lot of people suffer from feeling “not good enough.” There’s a lot of competition and honestly, women are really hard to impress. We are realizing we have choices in our mates and aren’t swept away by the first guy who is interested in us. That doesn’t make it women’s faults, men just gotta step up their game without actually being a player.
"women are really hard to impress. We are realizing we have choices in our mates and aren’t swept away by the first guy who is interested in us. That doesn’t make it women’s faults, men just gotta step up their game without actually being a player."
I think it is implying it's at least partially women's fault. The fault lies in having a cake and eating it too. Feminism wants all the perks of the feminine gender role minus all the downsides. Well, that just offloads all the negative aspects to men. Sooner or later something was going to give.
No it’s our fault. We need to just step up our game. We need to be wealthy first off and high status, or at least have a high paying career, not be a loser.
@Robertcw you can’t put all women in the feminism category. I suppose your comment would be related more towards feminists. I like to say that I’m a feminist but I don’t like all the back lash behind feminism. For me, being a feminist, I feel it’s important that women are recognized for their talents and gifts and achievements and not just be sexually objectified. You gotta take the bad with the good.
@Robertcw I can’t quite say I know how you feel, because I’m not a man. However, step up your game. Tap into the inner power that you have in a deeper way than what you’re used to. You will be surprised and amazed at what you didn’t know about yourself.
Income for men under 30 is now below women under 30. It's the only age bracket where this is the case. Men under 30 are also graduating college at lower rates than women.
The only age braxket today having sex is the 30-39 demographic:
In general 1 in 4 American adults of any age aren't sexually active.
Among those age 18-29, those numbers are at record highs. Starting in 2018, female sexlessness age 18-29 has started to increase (which I'm thankful for):
About 1 in 5 women are sexually inactive today under 30, but about 1 in 3 men 18-29 are innactive as well. Men living at home with patents in the 18-29 age bracket are also at record highs, as are the number of men 18-29 who aren't participating in the job market.
Male suicides are also at all time record highs, as are mass shootings.
Excuse me, 1 in 4 of men and women under 30 are not sexually active*. All age brackets are having twice as much sex as anyone in the 18-29 age bracket.*
Who even cares anymore? Whatever. I have tried. I'm done.
My life is literally exactly as this take describes.
Facts are what they are, if a girl wants to join me in my life then so be it. If not, then so be it. I don't have the energy to care anymore beyond that.
It's like, are you all happy now? Are you all done? (Not targeted specifically at any one person, just women in general).
@Robertcw you’re still young. You’re only 25, the women you attract or are attracted to are young. You all just gotta wait to grow up. It gets better, I promise.
I'm afraid you're quite right, love has changed with digital solutions and not always for the better. We can't "seduce" a girl anymore, except through a chat box and that's so superficial :-(
A lot of this sounds very judgmental, especially the "Being weak" part. And then people wonder why so many young men are depressed, want to shoot their school or kill themselves. By being toxic like that to them, no wonder. Hell, you can even create incels by being so judgmental. I'm sorry but men are human beings and have feelings too. Telling them to suck it up will only make things worse for everyone.
You have provided nothing of real value on here. Your arguments have a few generalized “no shit” facts but it’s just mostly one way condemnation of men.
You think just writing a bunch of stereotypes on here is going to help guys out when you are part do the problem.
This whole thing is just for your own selfish benefit at lashing out at guys.
From what I can gather this is just all cleverly guised misandry.
You probably wasted all your 20s with fuckboys who have all the problems listed above and in the meantime ignored hard working decent guys because they were “too boring”.
Now your just trying to gaslight all of us because you are looking for a decent man but since what you are about and they don’t want you.
I’ve seen women fall for guys who are all what you listed above only because they are funny assholes (looks do play in slightly). They think they can “change” them and are turned on by the challenge of it. Then these guys never change and you get all jaded & bitter.
Well I’m a former pro mma fighter and at one time could bench press 295lbs. But I also got a “cerebral” looking face and long lanky (yet cut) body. Both men and women were quick to judge my appearance (little did they know). But since I don’t have tattoos, visible scars, street slang, etc people think I’m a stockbroker.
@backintown Dude I've done MMA my whole life I teach it part time even. Looks doesn't matter like you said it's performance. Most of these guys would cry to be in a fight or shoot a gun it makes me sick inside
That we can agree on 100%. I’ve recently taken up shooting as well. Just a good skill to know.
Although I had 11 fights and over 100 submission wrestling matches I personally had to walk away from it all. I still do gi jiu jitsu occasionally (I’m a brown belt) I find myself too emotionally obsessed with it all and my professional life suffered. But I’m glad I did it. I got to prove I’m capable of violence despite being a “nice guy”
So maybe I misjudged you on a few things. Glad you provided context. But there is one thing I got to point out. Lots of women are way turned on by guy tough guys in that community but most of those guys are pretty mellow outside of it. Their anger and testosterone is getting all used up. So they don’t have the need to go around being a verbal punk ass. Many women mistake verbally confrontational smart ass guys as tough. These guys just compensate for their insecurity by running their mouths. But yet THAT alone turns lots of women on.
Pretty much agree with besides number 4. That kind of mentality is what contributes to what people describe as "toxic masculinity", stimgatizes male victimhood (especially when it comes to things like sexual assault), and completely stigmatizes and suppresses emotions in men, which is fucked up. Saying an entire gender isn't supposed to be in touch with themselves because "but ur supposed to be strong lol" is ass backwards.
Yeah, I don't necessarily like the term either, but like the behavior that people usually associate with it is caused by this kind of thought, especially while we're growing up.
Has a lot to do with absentee fathers, and there’s usually a coddling mother to take pity on and excuse their irrational behavior whilst caressing their narcissistic, egotistical natures.. They created vile creatures. Only a man can teach a boy how to become a man.
I don't think that's true to be perfectly honest. I think there's always been a little bit of a journey to find a person who is right for you. It can be hard and frustrating. The only difference is that now people are complaining about it in a way which is visible to the world and not private. Although you may have a point men actually mature more slowly than women and technology may be effecting our connections, we do all eventually grow up.
I don’t quite agree. Not sure where you live but I have lived in Australia ans england. I have known plenty of men who get women easily. And they aren’t super hot. So I don’t think it’s a gender issue. I think it’s more a person thing, some people are successful some people are not.
Well then what about me, I'm handsome I workout 5x weekly I live on my own I don't Play pc games & don't have TV I'm not weak, I'm very confident and nobody could possibly accuse me of not trying or not approaching and I still get very limited success
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Your last point, Sex for One, really touches on what I see as the core issue, at least among younger guys. I've seen shy, cheap, weak, broke, childish guys get girlfriends. Porn addicts, on the other hand, usually end up with such a twisted view of the way a woman should look and behave that the women they meet in real life cannot realistically compete with those delusional fantasies. I cannot count the number of times I've heard guys not approach a pretty girl because her boobs were not enormous or some other ridiculous porn-inspired absurdity.
Well thank you
A lot of those seem like women’s faults, if women care about if a man has a job or money even though the economy is much worst then they should change what here criteria for finding a man is. And that whole masturbation thing only applies to men? Because I’ve seen girls who do it daily and it does seem to effect there lives at all.
Everything is women's fault of course
Not everything, but you’d be surprised that women don’t feel at fault for anything, so who’s really to blame
Nope everything
Let’s just say that if men and women live in separate societies all our problems would be solved
Okay
All good points. I totally agree that "This site is famous for men whining about not having sex or not being able to get a girl to date them." And, that "there are many more reasons why guys are struggling today with having sex and getting the girl."
Thanks babe
But isn’t that fact that you see it as guy whining means women can’t help men.
@chris_987 I can't help one past a point
Men can get women if they wait until the women are near 30 and desperate. However, it very difficult for young men because young women chase after the hottest guys that will fuck them and reject guys within their league that want an actual relationship. That goes on for about ten years before after fucking about 50 hot guys, they realize guys will fuck down but they don't marry down. Of course by they have lost their bloom and they are not the fresh young thing they were at at age 20.
And, since close to 30 year old hides are not near as desirable as a 20 year old, many of the guys they rejected at age 20 no longer want them. Since they are no longer getting offers from the nice guys they rejected at age 20, the old hides look around and ask, "Where have all the good men gone."
It is a pity that, until after they have lost their bloom, young women chase after guys that are out of their league and reject guys within their league that want to marry them.
6. You don't get a date by sending dick picks. (I hope). Learn to speak and write intelligibly.
Awesome one
I know. It’s just like standing on a street corner and flashing girls that walk by. It’s exactly that but in technological form. 🤦🏼♀️😂
@RaindropSparkle ,🤣🤣🤣🤣 your so right
@Wowgirl30q It baffles me 🤣 I kind of feel sorry for them.
Unsolicited dick pics. Why the fuck guys do that girls is beyond me. Does it ever work?
@backintown God no! Not for me! But unless they just like shocking people I presume to must do if so many keep doing it. But I’ve never once heard a girl who’s been impressed by it, quite the opposite.
**it
@backintown no never
I agree with you...
Some of this generation is sexually defunct, especially the guys. I know a guy that has issues with performance, doesn't last long and sometimes doesn't maintain an erection and I think it has something to do with internet porn
Thanks man
Well I moved out of my family house at 18, I like socialising person to person rather than over technology, I'm not into mansplaining, I think I'm generous with my money and I'm not a fan of blaming other people for any inadequacies/problems I encounter so on that basis don't consider myself weak. So 5 out of 6 I'm smashing it out of the park, but if completing the full set means cutting out the odd crafty w*nk then you've another thing coming love lol!
Not far wrong. It's a bit like Japan where men don't know how to speak to woman and even the government is running speed dating to get people together.
I used to be one of these guys until I realised I was the problem, not everyone else
Thank you sir
Common girl if you want a gentelman be the deam lady. Yustwhat a shame there arewery few girls now who have an idea of class and elegance. So why should man have it?
Why aren't you basing woman for not acting like a lady? For not being elegant and having classy feel about her? Why blame man when woman are equaly if not more responsible for it?
Ps. figure out what you want and man will get it done. We are simple, we are driven by actions, by way how to do it, how to fix it. We dont tend to cry about as loud as we can. If it can't be done or is to much of hassle for return, we won't do it. And right now men dont see walue in putting extra effort in quiz its not worth it.
Yea, it's all of those. Let's not forget to mention that today's women are spoiled friggin rotten and have this belief that that the lap of luxury is supposed to be just handed to them because they can bat an eyelash or to. Or maybe men just get sick and tired of women being a complete bitch and accusing men of trying to do something nasty when all they try to do is be nice. Not to mention that today's women don't even WANT nice men anymore because they see it as weak, humiliate his tactics, and move on. Let's face it all today's women want for a man is the Daune " The Rock" Johnson type and if your not that you don't even want to be apprached.
I agree on that. Everyday I hear "your not my type" what is your "type" then? I get "your totally repulsive and ugly". I'm sorry. My haircut is short, my glasses are normal, I'm working on my smile with smile direct. I'm short, okay fine. I'm sorry I'm not 5'9 and up. I am me. I got a big heart, Im sorry I dont have all the money in the world to buy you breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I am not made out of money. I am the simple guy who gets his breakfast from the carts (Medium coffee, ½ and ½ -3 sugars, and a buttered roll) with my morning paper. If Im home, its just a small cup of tea and toast. I dont even like extravagant lunches.. at home or whatever.. a slice of pizza and a soda. And for dinner. small slices of Italian bread, butter, and peppermint tea so I can sleep.
When I go out on dates, I am simple too and order whatever she wants. Again, I dont ask for much. Just someone to love me, for me. And Im sorry its not a lot, but thats all I got at this time and what I can give...
There’s a hundred reasons why men can’t get a girl. I think a lot of people suffer from feeling “not good enough.” There’s a lot of competition and honestly, women are really hard to impress. We are realizing we have choices in our mates and aren’t swept away by the first guy who is interested in us. That doesn’t make it women’s faults, men just gotta step up their game without actually being a player.
I would reread what you wrote and see if anything jumps out at you...
@Robertcw?
"women are really hard to impress. We are realizing we have choices in our mates and aren’t swept away by the first guy who is interested in us. That doesn’t make it women’s faults, men just gotta step up their game without actually being a player."
I think it is implying it's at least partially women's fault. The fault lies in having a cake and eating it too. Feminism wants all the perks of the feminine gender role minus all the downsides. Well, that just offloads all the negative aspects to men. Sooner or later something was going to give.
@Robertcw
No it’s our fault. We need to just step up our game. We need to be wealthy first off and high status, or at least have a high paying career, not be a loser.
@Robertcw you can’t put all women in the feminism category. I suppose your comment would be related more towards feminists. I like to say that I’m a feminist but I don’t like all the back lash behind feminism. For me, being a feminist, I feel it’s important that women are recognized for their talents and gifts and achievements and not just be sexually objectified. You gotta take the bad with the good.
I guess, I guess. All I know is that things are not good if you're male and 29 or younger right now. Not good at all.
@Robertcw I can’t quite say I know how you feel, because I’m not a man. However, step up your game. Tap into the inner power that you have in a deeper way than what you’re used to. You will be surprised and amazed at what you didn’t know about yourself.
Tap into my... inner power?
Wut.
Income for men under 30 is now below women under 30. It's the only age bracket where this is the case. Men under 30 are also graduating college at lower rates than women.
The only age braxket today having sex is the 30-39 demographic:
In general 1 in 4 American adults of any age aren't sexually active.
Among those age 18-29, those numbers are at record highs. Starting in 2018, female sexlessness age 18-29 has started to increase (which I'm thankful for):
About 1 in 5 women are sexually inactive today under 30, but about 1 in 3 men 18-29 are innactive as well. Men living at home with patents in the 18-29 age bracket are also at record highs, as are the number of men 18-29 who aren't participating in the job market.
Male suicides are also at all time record highs, as are mass shootings.
Excuse me, 1 in 4 of men and women under 30 are not sexually active*. All age brackets are having twice as much sex as anyone in the 18-29 age bracket.*
And here is the correct second graph:
Remarkably female sexlessness 18-29 has gone up to almost 20% in 2018. How about that?
@stardust101 🤣🤣🤣
He said I got stats bitch❤️
Who even cares anymore? Whatever. I have tried. I'm done.
My life is literally exactly as this take describes.
Facts are what they are, if a girl wants to join me in my life then so be it. If not, then so be it. I don't have the energy to care anymore beyond that.
It's like, are you all happy now? Are you all done? (Not targeted specifically at any one person, just women in general).
@Robertcw you’re still young. You’re only 25, the women you attract or are attracted to are young. You all just gotta wait to grow up. It gets better, I promise.
@Robertcw it does
I'm afraid you're quite right, love has changed with digital solutions and not always for the better.
We can't "seduce" a girl anymore, except through a chat box and that's so superficial :-(
Agree sorry
No you can still approach women offline. Some people still do it.
@cavmanier real men
@cavmanier you're a pro mate...
Lol no I'm not. Some girls do like to be talked to though so it's good to step outside of the dating apps.
@cavmanier you're totaly right!
Give it a try sometime and tell me how it goes
A lot of this sounds very judgmental, especially the "Being weak" part. And then people wonder why so many young men are depressed, want to shoot their school or kill themselves. By being toxic like that to them, no wonder. Hell, you can even create incels by being so judgmental. I'm sorry but men are human beings and have feelings too. Telling them to suck it up will only make things worse for everyone.
I just speak truth
Although what you say applies to multiple situation, you can't call it truth, it's not something objectively true.
Stats say it's true
Provide the stats
@backintown Google it
@backintown sorry I don't care enough to do it myself I know I'm right there's dozens of websites if your that curious
You have provided nothing of real value on here. Your arguments have a few generalized “no shit” facts but it’s just mostly one way condemnation of men.
You think just writing a bunch of stereotypes on here is going to help guys out when you are part do the problem.
This whole thing is just for your own selfish benefit at lashing out at guys.
@backintown I agree with you that it does not help guys, especially the ones that would need help. It only make these guys feel worse.
Stats say almost anything is true, but following some proportions. It's not true all the time and I'm not sure if it's that prevalent.
@backintown hit a nerve bro?
From what I can gather this is just all cleverly guised misandry.
You probably wasted all your 20s with fuckboys who have all the problems listed above and in the meantime ignored hard working decent guys because they were “too boring”.
Now your just trying to gaslight all of us because you are looking for a decent man but since what you are about and they don’t want you.
I’ve seen women fall for guys who are all what you listed above only because they are funny assholes (looks do play in slightly). They think they can “change” them and are turned on by the challenge of it. Then these guys never change and you get all jaded & bitter.
@YHL6965 it's the ones that lack testosterone and they are weak most can't even lift their own body weight and have never even played a sport
Well I’m a former pro mma fighter and at one time could bench press 295lbs. But I also got a “cerebral” looking face and long lanky (yet cut) body. Both men and women were quick to judge my appearance (little did they know). But since I don’t have tattoos, visible scars, street slang, etc people think I’m a stockbroker.
@backintown Dude I've done MMA my whole life I teach it part time even. Looks doesn't matter like you said it's performance. Most of these guys would cry to be in a fight or shoot a gun it makes me sick inside
That we can agree on 100%. I’ve recently taken up shooting as well. Just a good skill to know.
Although I had 11 fights and over 100 submission wrestling matches I personally had to walk away from it all. I still do gi jiu jitsu occasionally (I’m a brown belt) I find myself too emotionally obsessed with it all and my professional life suffered. But I’m glad I did it. I got to prove I’m capable of violence despite being a “nice guy”
So maybe I misjudged you on a few things. Glad you provided context. But there is one thing I got to point out. Lots of women are way turned on by guy tough guys in that community but most of those guys are pretty mellow outside of it. Their anger and testosterone is getting all used up. So they don’t have the need to go around being a verbal punk ass. Many women mistake verbally confrontational smart ass guys as tough. These guys just compensate for their insecurity by running their mouths. But yet THAT alone turns lots of women on.
I'm not so sure about that, I think it's more a matter of personality than anything else.
Maybe or perspective 😀
Pretty much agree with besides number 4. That kind of mentality is what contributes to what people describe as "toxic masculinity", stimgatizes male victimhood (especially when it comes to things like sexual assault), and completely stigmatizes and suppresses emotions in men, which is fucked up. Saying an entire gender isn't supposed to be in touch with themselves because "but ur supposed to be strong lol" is ass backwards.
Fair enough sir😀
I don't believe in toxic masculinity but I do believe in ignorance
Yeah, I don't necessarily like the term either, but like the behavior that people usually associate with it is caused by this kind of thought, especially while we're growing up.
Has a lot to do with absentee fathers, and there’s usually a coddling mother to take pity on and excuse their irrational behavior whilst caressing their narcissistic, egotistical natures.. They created vile creatures. Only a man can teach a boy how to become a man.
I don't think that's true to be perfectly honest. I think there's always been a little bit of a journey to find a person who is right for you. It can be hard and frustrating. The only difference is that now people are complaining about it in a way which is visible to the world and not private. Although you may have a point men actually mature more slowly than women and technology may be effecting our connections, we do all eventually grow up.
I don’t quite agree. Not sure where you live but I have lived in Australia ans england. I have known plenty of men who get women easily. And they aren’t super hot.
So I don’t think it’s a gender issue. I think it’s more a person thing, some people are successful some people are not.
Well then what about me, I'm handsome I workout 5x weekly I live on my own I don't Play pc games & don't have TV I'm not weak, I'm very confident and nobody could possibly accuse me of not trying or not approaching and I still get very limited success
Do you have a stinky penis? That is a huge turn off for me.
@supercutebutt lol I very rarely get to the genitalia smelling part. Usually I get ghosted or rejected
@Optymistyk :(
The masturbation thing is real. I have had guys tell me they masturbate 4, 5 times a day to internet porn
I heard 8 hours
wtf!
Smoking meth saw it on the show Addiction